From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 1 06:27:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 06:27:00 -0000 Subject: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6DE@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: all the Windows users are reporting that Imake skips the xwin directory and fails to compile the Xserver for Windows. One of the contributor for Cygwin/XFree project reported the following findings. This is against the current CVS tree from xfree86.org Suhaib PS: I forwarded your message to xfree86 developers list. Why not ust edit the Imakefile and remove the xvinfo realted stuff. That should fix the problems. > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 10:06 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built > > > Okay, I figured out why the Xserver is not being built when you pull from > CVS. xc/programs/Imakefile has a list of subdirectories that are to be > compiled; the 'xvinfo' directory appears in the list of subdirs > just before > Xserver. However, someone has removed the 'xvinfo' directory and > failed to > update the build files; so, when make tries to enter 'xvinfo' it > cannot, so > it leaves the programs directory and goes on to the fonts directory. > > Work around, until the build files are fixed: create an xvinfo > directory, as > such, xc/programs/xvinfo/. That keeps make from bombing and allows it to > continue on to the Xserver directory. > > Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 1 06:58:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 06:58:00 -0000 Subject: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6DE@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: Harold, in my xc/programs/Imakefiles there is no xvinfo. Can you e-mail me yours, please? > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 10:06 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built > > > Okay, I figured out why the Xserver is not being built when you pull from > CVS. xc/programs/Imakefile has a list of subdirectories that are to be > compiled; the 'xvinfo' directory appears in the list of subdirs > just before > Xserver. However, someone has removed the 'xvinfo' directory and > failed to > update the build files; so, when make tries to enter 'xvinfo' it > cannot, so > it leaves the programs directory and goes on to the fonts directory. > > Work around, until the build files are fixed: create an xvinfo > directory, as > such, xc/programs/xvinfo/. That keeps make from bombing and allows it to > continue on to the Xserver directory. > > Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 1 07:05:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 07:05:00 -0000 Subject: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built References: Message-ID: It should be xwininfo in xc/programs/Imakefile. I think there are typos in the Imakefile from recent CVS. However try the attched Imakefile. in /xc/programs/Xserver remane the Imakefile to Imakefile.old (do not use Imakefile.orig because it would get deleted by makedepend) then copy the attached Imakefile to /xc/programs/Xserver. I think !DllMakeModules was the one causing the failure. Let me know Suhaib > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 10:06 PM > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > Subject: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built > > > > > > Okay, I figured out why the Xserver is not being built when you > pull from > > CVS. xc/programs/Imakefile has a list of subdirectories that are to be > > compiled; the 'xvinfo' directory appears in the list of subdirs > > just before > > Xserver. However, someone has removed the 'xvinfo' directory and > > failed to > > update the build files; so, when make tries to enter 'xvinfo' it > > cannot, so > > it leaves the programs directory and goes on to the fonts directory. > > > > Work around, until the build files are fixed: create an xvinfo > > directory, as > > such, xc/programs/xvinfo/. That keeps make from bombing and > allows it to > > continue on to the Xserver directory. > > > > Harold -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Imakefile Type: text/x-c Size: 32009 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com Sun Oct 1 08:42:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 08:42:00 -0000 Subject: XWIN.exe: Windows 9x and Windows Me Message-ID: I need a few volunteers to test the XWin-Win9x-Me.tar.bz2 on Windows 95/98/Millenium. Download XWin-Win9x-Me.tar.bz2 from ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/xc-4-binaries Install xfree86 as described in FAQ and Harold Installation Documents, then replace XWin.exe in /usr/X11R6/bin with the one in XWin-Win9x-Me.tar.bz2. Test X-server on Windows 95/98/Me. It works on Windows NT/2000, so no testing needed for these OS. Harold assumptions was correct that map_dx_fb() was getting inadvertantly called on Windows 9x/Me, thuis causing a hang or crash. Please post your results to this mailing list. Please do not mail directly to me. If it passes tests on Windows 9x/Me, I will submit patches to XFree86.org which would be incoprorated into XFree86 4.0.2, hopefully. Suhaib From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Sun Oct 1 12:35:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:35:00 -0000 Subject: XWIN.exe: Windows 9x and Windows Me Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6DF@ENTERPRISE> Well, it doesn't work, but it does so in a slightly better way. I tried it on Windows 98 and got the following results: 1) Instead of an imobile X cursor overlaid on an imobile hourglass cursor, I got a mobile X cursor and an imobile hourglass cursor. 2) Previous Xwin.exe forced a restart when it froze on Windows 98; new Xwin.exe can be killed with Ctrl-Alt-Del followed by an End Task. 3) No application windows appeared; still a problem with taking the Win16Mutex. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 1 13:32:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:32:00 -0000 Subject: XWIN.exe: Windows 9x and Windows Me References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6DF@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: Oh well, I guess if you come up with a patch, let me know. The problem I think it in WaitFor.c in xc/programs/Xserver/os/WaitFor.c under WitForSomething subroutines. Initially I had the same problems with Windows NT. Reducing the waittime to 0 fixed that on NT. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:32 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: XWIN.exe: Windows 9x and Windows Me > > > Well, it doesn't work, but it does so in a slightly better way. > I tried it > on Windows 98 and got the following results: > > 1) Instead of an imobile X cursor overlaid on an imobile > hourglass cursor, I > got a mobile X cursor and an imobile hourglass cursor. > 2) Previous Xwin.exe forced a restart when it froze on Windows 98; new > Xwin.exe can be killed with Ctrl-Alt-Del followed by an End Task. > 3) No application windows appeared; still a problem with taking the > Win16Mutex. > > Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 1 13:41:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:41:00 -0000 Subject: XWIN.exe: Windows 9x and Windows Me References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6DF@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: Actually what I did remoden map_xf and ntux_xf.c from xwin. At least it proves it was not needed even on NT. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:32 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: XWIN.exe: Windows 9x and Windows Me > > > Well, it doesn't work, but it does so in a slightly better way. > I tried it > on Windows 98 and got the following results: > > 1) Instead of an imobile X cursor overlaid on an imobile > hourglass cursor, I > got a mobile X cursor and an imobile hourglass cursor. > 2) Previous Xwin.exe forced a restart when it froze on Windows 98; new > Xwin.exe can be killed with Ctrl-Alt-Del followed by an End Task. > 3) No application windows appeared; still a problem with taking the > Win16Mutex. > > Harold From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Sun Oct 1 13:58:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:58:00 -0000 Subject: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6E0@ENTERPRISE> Here's the secition of the file that includes 'xvinfo' via $(XVINFOSRCIR). SUBDIRS = \ appres bdftopcf bitmap \ $(SCREENSAVESRCDIR) editres fsinfo fslsfonts fstobdf iceauth \ ico listres \ $(MAKEPSRESDIR) $(MKCFMSRCDIR) \ mkfontdir oclock $(PROXYMGRSRCDIR) $(RGBSRCDIR) $(RSTARTSRCDIR) \ setxkbmap showfont \ $(SMPROXYSRCDIR) $(TWMSRCDIR) viewres x11perf xauth xbiff xcalc \ xclipboard xclock \ xcmsdb $(XCONSOLESRCDIR) xditview $(XDMSRCDIR) xdpyinfo \ $(XF86DGASRCDIR) xedit xev xeyes xfd xfontsel $(XFSSRCDIR) \ $(XFINDPROXYSRCDIR) $(XFWPSRCDIR) $(XGAMMASRCDIR) xgc $(XHOSTSRCDIR) \ xieperf $(XINITSRCDIR) $(XKBSRCDIRS) xkill xload xlogo xlsatoms \ xlsclients xlsfonts xmag xman xmessage xmodmap xprop xrdb \ xrefresh $(XRXSRCDIR) xset \ xsetroot $(XSMSRCDIR) xstdcmap xsetmode xsetpointer \ $(XTERMSRCDIR) $(XVIDTUNESRCDIR) xwd xwininfo xwud \ $(XPMCLIENTDIRS) $(XVINFOSRCDIR) \ $(XSSRCDIR) $(XASSRCDIR) $(LBXPROXYSRCDIR) $(SCRIPTSDIR) \ glxinfo I just ran a cvs update, so I know that is the most recent version of the file. Notice the directive for the x server source directory $(XSSRCDIR) appears after xvinfo. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 1 14:20:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:20:00 -0000 Subject: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6E0@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: How about if you revers the order $(XVINFOSRCDIR) $(XSSRCDIR) to $(XSSRCDIR) $(XVINFOSRCDIR), then run make Makefiles followed by make depends If this is cause then you it should compile xwin. I however doubt it. Imake in case does not find a directory should not bomb but move to next one. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 4:54 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built > > > Here's the secition of the file that includes 'xvinfo' via $(XVINFOSRCIR). > > SUBDIRS = \ > appres bdftopcf bitmap \ > $(SCREENSAVESRCDIR) editres fsinfo fslsfonts fstobdf iceauth \ > ico listres \ > $(MAKEPSRESDIR) $(MKCFMSRCDIR) \ > mkfontdir oclock $(PROXYMGRSRCDIR) $(RGBSRCDIR) $(RSTARTSRCDIR) \ > setxkbmap showfont \ > $(SMPROXYSRCDIR) $(TWMSRCDIR) viewres x11perf xauth xbiff xcalc \ > xclipboard xclock \ > xcmsdb $(XCONSOLESRCDIR) xditview $(XDMSRCDIR) xdpyinfo \ > $(XF86DGASRCDIR) xedit xev xeyes xfd xfontsel $(XFSSRCDIR) \ > $(XFINDPROXYSRCDIR) $(XFWPSRCDIR) $(XGAMMASRCDIR) xgc $(XHOSTSRCDIR) > \ > xieperf $(XINITSRCDIR) $(XKBSRCDIRS) xkill xload xlogo xlsatoms \ > xlsclients xlsfonts xmag xman xmessage xmodmap xprop xrdb \ > xrefresh $(XRXSRCDIR) xset \ > xsetroot $(XSMSRCDIR) xstdcmap xsetmode xsetpointer \ > $(XTERMSRCDIR) $(XVIDTUNESRCDIR) xwd xwininfo xwud \ > $(XPMCLIENTDIRS) $(XVINFOSRCDIR) \ > $(XSSRCDIR) $(XASSRCDIR) $(LBXPROXYSRCDIR) $(SCRIPTSDIR) \ > glxinfo > > I just ran a cvs update, so I know that is the most recent version of the > file. > > Notice the directive for the x server source directory $(XSSRCDIR) appears > after xvinfo. > > Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 1 14:24:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:24:00 -0000 Subject: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6E0@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: This mine, a little old SUBDIRS = \ appres bdftopcf bitmap \ $(SCREENSAVESRCDIR) editres fsinfo fslsfonts fstobdf iceauth \ ico listres \ $(MAKEPSRESDIR) $(MKCFMSRCDIR) \ mkfontdir oclock $(PROXYMGRSRCDIR) $(RGBSRCDIR) $(RSTARTSRCDIR) \ setxkbmap showfont \ $(SMPROXYSRCDIR) $(TWMSRCDIR) viewres x11perf xauth xbiff xcalc \ xclipboard xclock \ xcmsdb $(XCONSOLESRCDIR) xditview $(XDMSRCDIR) xdpyinfo \ $(XF86DGASRCDIR) xedit xev xeyes xfd xfontsel $(XFSSRCDIR) \ $(XFINDPROXYSRCDIR) $(XFWPSRCDIR) $(XGAMMASRCDIR) xgc $(XHOSTSRCDIR) \ xieperf $(XINITSRCDIR) $(XKBSRCDIRS) xkill xload xlogo xlsatoms \ xlsclients xlsfonts xmag xman xmessage xmodmap xprop xrdb \ xrefresh $(XRXSRCDIR) xset \ xsetroot $(XSMSRCDIR) xstdcmap xsetmode xsetpointer \ $(XTERMSRCDIR) $(XVIDTUNESRCDIR) xwd xwininfo xwud \ $(XPMCLIENTDIRS) \ $(XSSRCDIR) $(XASSRCDIR) $(LBXPROXYSRCDIR) $(SCRIPTSDIR) #endif and it still skips the xwin directory, therefore I thinkik !DllMakeModules was the culprit. Use the Imakefile I sent Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 4:54 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built > > > Here's the secition of the file that includes 'xvinfo' via $(XVINFOSRCIR). > > SUBDIRS = \ > appres bdftopcf bitmap \ > $(SCREENSAVESRCDIR) editres fsinfo fslsfonts fstobdf iceauth \ > ico listres \ > $(MAKEPSRESDIR) $(MKCFMSRCDIR) \ > mkfontdir oclock $(PROXYMGRSRCDIR) $(RGBSRCDIR) $(RSTARTSRCDIR) \ > setxkbmap showfont \ > $(SMPROXYSRCDIR) $(TWMSRCDIR) viewres x11perf xauth xbiff xcalc \ > xclipboard xclock \ > xcmsdb $(XCONSOLESRCDIR) xditview $(XDMSRCDIR) xdpyinfo \ > $(XF86DGASRCDIR) xedit xev xeyes xfd xfontsel $(XFSSRCDIR) \ > $(XFINDPROXYSRCDIR) $(XFWPSRCDIR) $(XGAMMASRCDIR) xgc $(XHOSTSRCDIR) > \ > xieperf $(XINITSRCDIR) $(XKBSRCDIRS) xkill xload xlogo xlsatoms \ > xlsclients xlsfonts xmag xman xmessage xmodmap xprop xrdb \ > xrefresh $(XRXSRCDIR) xset \ > xsetroot $(XSMSRCDIR) xstdcmap xsetmode xsetpointer \ > $(XTERMSRCDIR) $(XVIDTUNESRCDIR) xwd xwininfo xwud \ > $(XPMCLIENTDIRS) $(XVINFOSRCDIR) \ > $(XSSRCDIR) $(XASSRCDIR) $(LBXPROXYSRCDIR) $(SCRIPTSDIR) \ > glxinfo > > I just ran a cvs update, so I know that is the most recent version of the > file. > > Notice the directive for the x server source directory $(XSSRCDIR) appears > after xvinfo. > > Harold From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Sun Oct 1 14:29:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:29:00 -0000 Subject: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6E1@ENTERPRISE> Suhaib, I watched the output from make, and saw it bomb on xvinfo. I'm not making that up. I created an xvinfo directory and the Xserver directory started building. That was one problem, and it is now fixed. However, you are referring to another problem that I am also tracking down: after you get the Xserver directory to build, xwin still does not build, though xnest, xfree86, and such build. You are right that the !DllMakeModules flag was probably causing xwin not to build. Lets try to keep the two problems separate :) Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 1 14:32:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:32:00 -0000 Subject: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6E1@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: Ok, thanks for tracking down. You need to send me the complete Imakefile, so I can crate a patch and send it to David Dawes for XF86 4.0.2 Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 5:25 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Build of XFree86 from CVS - why Xserver is not built > > > Suhaib, > > I watched the output from make, and saw it bomb on xvinfo. I'm not making > that up. I created an xvinfo directory and the Xserver directory started > building. That was one problem, and it is now fixed. > > However, you are referring to another problem that I am also > tracking down: > after you get the Xserver directory to build, xwin still does not build, > though xnest, xfree86, and such build. You are right that the > !DllMakeModules flag was probably causing xwin not to build. > > Lets try to keep the two problems separate :) > > Harold From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Sun Oct 1 19:58:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 19:58:00 -0000 Subject: bash [ -f filename ] behavior Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6E2@ENTERPRISE> When building XFree86 from CVS under Cygwin you may encounter a problem where 'make World' reports that a file 'imake' cannot be moved because it does not exist. I have looked into this problem extensively, and it is due to bash behaving differently under Cygwin than it does under Linux. However, I believe it deserves to at least be brought to light. Make a bash script file containing the following line: if [ -f imake ]; then mv imake imake.foo; fi Follow these steps under Cygwin's Bash: Run the script in a directory with no files named imake or imake.exe. The script will detect that imake does not exist, so it will not attempt to move the file. Run 'touch imake', then run the script again. The script will move file imake to imake.foo, as it should. Run 'touch imake.exe', then run the script again. The script will think that a file named 'imake' exists, even though it doesn't; the script will then attempt to move file 'imake', which does not exist, and the script will fail. Now, run the same steps under Linux's Bash, and you'll notice that the script does not get confused when a file named 'imake.exe' exists. This bug, or feature (as it may help compatibility), currently causes XFree86 to fail when building under Cygwin. I'm going to send in a patch to XFree86 to check for 'imake.exe' before checking for 'imake'; that will fix the build bustage for now. But, I figure the Cygwin guys might want to evaluate whether this is really desired behavior... (I'm not on the Cygwin list, just the Cygwin/XFree86 list, so Cygwin people please CC me. Thanks.) Harold From cgf@cygnus.com Sun Oct 1 20:06:00 2000 From: cgf@cygnus.com (Chris Faylor) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:06:00 -0000 Subject: bash [ -f filename ] behavior References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6E2@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <20001001230537.A12588@cygnus.com> On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 10:54:28PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: >Make a bash script file containing the following line: >if [ -f imake ]; then mv imake imake.foo; fi > >Follow these steps under Cygwin's Bash: > >Run the script in a directory with no files named imake or imake.exe. The >script will detect that imake does not exist, so it will not attempt to move >the file. FYI, the shell that make will use, by default, in a normal Cygwin installation is 'ash' (aka /bin/sh), not 'bash'. >Run 'touch imake', then run the script again. The script will move file >imake to imake.foo, as it should. > >Run 'touch imake.exe', then run the script again. The script will think >that a file named 'imake' exists, even though it doesn't; the script will >then attempt to move file 'imake', which does not exist, and the script will >fail. Cygwin's stat() function has historically always found a 'foo.exe' when passed a 'foo' argument. >Now, run the same steps under Linux's Bash, and you'll notice that the >script does not get confused when a file named 'imake.exe' exists. I'm sure that you can find many many many similar observations of this sort on the cygwin mailing list over the years if you want to search the archives. >This bug, or feature (as it may help compatibility), currently causes >XFree86 to fail when building under Cygwin. I'm going to send in a >patch to XFree86 to check for 'imake.exe' before checking for 'imake'; >that will fix the build bustage for now. But, I figure the Cygwin guys >might want to evaluate whether this is really desired behavior... It's long standing behavior. I have no idea what would break if we changed it now. cgf From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Mon Oct 2 06:07:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 06:07:00 -0000 Subject: CVS Compilation Update Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6E4@ENTERPRISE> I have finally succeeded, after a week of trying, at compiling Xwin.exe from the XFree86 CVS. I have about five patches that I need to package up and send to Suhaib for him to forward on to XFree86; I'll probably have them ready sometime tomorrow. In about a week I should have some sort of a draft Cygwin/XFree86 Programmer's Guide, to shorten the learning curve for any of you potential contributers out there. Harold From yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu Mon Oct 2 06:28:00 2000 From: yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu (Yadin Y. Goldschmidt) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 06:28:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc Message-ID: <200010021417.JAA00221@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu> I have installed Xfree on an NT box. Everything seems to work but I have the following problems: 1. vim works properly only in xterm. In rxvt the arrow keys don't move the cursor. 2. I downloaded nedit since xedit doesn't work. Again nedit works but arrow keys don't work. I can only move the cursor with the mouse. This is a problem with Xwin since I tried with a commercial server and nedit works fine. 3. The supplied xedit does not works. It displays a message: error: shell widget has filemenu with zero width or zero height and dies. 4. I tried to change the background color with e.g. 'xsetroot -solid blue' but I get a red color instead. Any help about how to fix these problems? TIA, Yadin. --- +----------------------------------+------------------------------+ |Yadin Y. Goldschmidt | | |Professor of Physics | voice: (412)624-9024 | |Dept. of Physics and Astronomy | fax: (412)624-9163 | |University of Pittsburgh | e-mail: | |Pittsburgh PA 15260 | yadin+@pitt.edu | +----------------------------------+------------------------------+ From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon Oct 2 07:07:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 07:07:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc References: <200010021417.JAA00221@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu> Message-ID: > > > I have installed Xfree on an NT box. Everything seems to work > but I have the following problems: > 1. vim works properly only in xterm. In rxvt the arrow keys don't move > the cursor. rxvt is not part of xfree86, therefore it is not officially supported. I am sorry for it. You need to check with rxvt Home Page, on how to manipulate keyboard. > 2. I downloaded nedit since xedit doesn't work. Again nedit works but > arrow keys don't work. What is the problem with xedit? Could you please send a detail error messages, please? nedit, has some issues, but nedit.org mailing list posted some work around on their mail lists. > I can only move the cursor with the mouse. This is a problem with Xwin > since I tried with a commercial > server and nedit works fine. You need a good /etc/termcap file. I think that is the cause of your problems. > 3. The supplied xedit does not works. It displays a message: error: > shell widget has filemenu with zero > width or zero height and dies. I will check into it. > 4. I tried to change the background color with e.g. 'xsetroot -solid > blue' but I get a red color instead. > Any help about how to fix these problems? This could be because at present only 256 colors are supported? Suhaib > TIA, Yadin. > > --- > +----------------------------------+------------------------------+ > |Yadin Y. Goldschmidt | | > |Professor of Physics | voice: (412)624-9024 | > |Dept. of Physics and Astronomy | fax: (412)624-9163 | > |University of Pittsburgh | e-mail: | > |Pittsburgh PA 15260 | yadin+@pitt.edu | > +----------------------------------+------------------------------+ From ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com Mon Oct 2 17:08:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:08:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc Message-ID: One of the problem you are reporting with NEdit... that is you can move only cursor with mouse but no arrow keys. Did you consider reading FAQ and mail archive? I forgot to metion in the moring, I was busy at work. One will have keyboard problems with MOTIF applications, if XERRORDB and XKeysmDB are not set. On a UNIX machine there are set in your X installation tree, but on Windows, you MUST set or keyboard will not work. Please read the FAQ Section 3.22: 3.22 I compiled an X/MOTIF client foo.exe. My foo.exe executes but I cannot use keyboard and my console dumps Xt Warnings: Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown event type : BtnMotion Warning: ... found while parsing ' : ManagerGadgetButtonM???? ???? What is wrong? You need to set XkeysymDB and XerrorDB Environment. XkeysymDB and XerrorDB files usually resides in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 directory. For example: SET XKeysymDB=C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XKeysymDB SET XerrorDB =C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XErrorDB Suhaib From syjef@mail.mdanderson.org Tue Oct 3 05:37:00 2000 From: syjef@mail.mdanderson.org (Jonathan Fosburgh) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 05:37:00 -0000 Subject: Good X-based MUA for Cygwin Message-ID: <14809.54005.749000.381409@jef-nt.mdacc.tmc.edu> To : cygwin at sources dot redhat dot com Subject : Good X-based email clients for use with Cygwin >From : Jonathan Fosburgh Date : Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:36:04 -0500 (GMT-6:00) Has anyone had luck getting X-based MUA's to work with Cygwin? Currently, I am using VM with XEmacs. I have tried xfmail but have problems with the version of xforms that I can find (if 0.88.1 is available anywhere, can someone let me know?). I also have problems due to no glib. I have also tried postilion, but it just hangs while probing the system. Thanks for the help. -- Jonathan Fosburgh Open Systems Communications and Computer Services UT MD Anderson Cancer Center Houston, TX From yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu Tue Oct 3 06:45:00 2000 From: yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu (Yadin Y. Goldschmidt) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 06:45:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc References: Message-ID: I am sorry but adding these variables to the enviornment did not solve the problem. Also it is not a problem with termcap since both mcedit and vim work fine with arrow keys. I am using the termcap that came with the recent cygwin. All the keys on the keyboard are functional in nedit except the arrow keys. When I use Xwin32 (commercial) with the same nedit the arrow keys work fine. The machine is NT 4.0 service pack 6. Yadin. Please reply to yadin at pitt dot edu or to the list. On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Suhaib M. Siddiqi wrote: > > One of the problem you are reporting with NEdit... that is you can move only > cursor with mouse > but no arrow keys. > > Did you consider reading FAQ and mail archive? I forgot to metion in the > moring, I was busy at work. > > One will have keyboard problems with MOTIF applications, if XERRORDB and > XKeysmDB are not set. > On a UNIX machine there are set in your X installation tree, but on Windows, > you MUST set or > keyboard will not work. > > Please read the FAQ Section 3.22: > > 3.22 I compiled an X/MOTIF client foo.exe. My foo.exe executes but I cannot > use keyboard and my console dumps Xt Warnings: > > Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown event type : BtnMotion > Warning: ... found while parsing ' : ManagerGadgetButtonM???? > ???? > > What is wrong? > > You need to set XkeysymDB and XerrorDB Environment. XkeysymDB and XerrorDB > files usually resides in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 directory. > > For example: > > SET XKeysymDB=C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XKeysymDB > SET XerrorDB =C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XErrorDB > > > > Suhaib > > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 3 06:51:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 06:51:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6EA@ENTERPRISE> Suhaib, I was wondering if you forwarded this patch on to the XFree86 people, or if you could point me in the right direction to send it myself. The patch is needed because Cygwin, by design, returns true to a search for file 'imake' when a file named 'imake.exe' exists, even though a file named 'imake' does not exist. Applying this patch fixes the build bustage when the bootstrapping steps attempt to move file 'imake' that does not exist. Harold Index: Makefile.ini =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini,v retrieving revision 3.8 diff -p -3 -r3.8 Makefile.ini *** Makefile.ini 2000/08/26 15:28:32 3.8 --- Makefile.ini 2000/10/02 03:12:29 *************** ccimake: ccimake.c *** 40,47 **** bootstrap: -@if [ -d bootstrap ]; then exit 0; else set -x; mkdir bootstrap; fi $(MV) *.o bootstrap - @if [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; else exit 0; fi @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe bootstrap; else exit 0; fi relink: $(RM) imake --- 40,47 ---- bootstrap: -@if [ -d bootstrap ]; then exit 0; else set -x; mkdir bootstrap; fi $(MV) *.o bootstrap @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe bootstrap; else exit 0; fi + @if [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; else exit 0; fi relink: $(RM) imake From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 3 06:57:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 06:57:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6EA@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: Yes I did. However you can forward patches directly to patch@xfree86.org. You will not receive a reply from the list unless you are a nominated member. Describe in berief was the patch is for. Also CC me a copy so I know and test it. Your patches for Cygwin/XFree directly to XFree86.org may not get approved unless I test them and sent an OK to Board members. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:47 AM > To: 'ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com'; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: [PATCH] xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini > > > Suhaib, > I was wondering if you forwarded this patch on to the XFree86 > people, or if > you could point me in the right direction to send it myself. > The patch is needed because Cygwin, by design, returns true to a > search for > file 'imake' when a file named 'imake.exe' exists, even though a > file named > 'imake' does not exist. Applying this patch fixes the build bustage when > the bootstrapping steps attempt to move file 'imake' that does not exist. > Harold > > Index: Makefile.ini > =================================================================== > RCS file: /cvs/xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini,v > retrieving revision 3.8 > diff -p -3 -r3.8 Makefile.ini > *** Makefile.ini 2000/08/26 15:28:32 3.8 > --- Makefile.ini 2000/10/02 03:12:29 > *************** ccimake: ccimake.c > *** 40,47 **** > bootstrap: > -@if [ -d bootstrap ]; then exit 0; else set -x; mkdir > bootstrap; fi > $(MV) *.o bootstrap > - @if [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; else exit 0; > fi > @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe bootstrap; else > exit 0; fi > > relink: > $(RM) imake > --- 40,47 ---- > bootstrap: > -@if [ -d bootstrap ]; then exit 0; else set -x; mkdir > bootstrap; fi > $(MV) *.o bootstrap > @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe bootstrap; else > exit 0; fi > + @if [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; else exit 0; > fi > > relink: > $(RM) imake From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 3 08:34:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:34:00 -0000 Subject: Development To-Do Proposal Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6EC@ENTERPRISE> I think the Cygwin/XFree86 project needs to develop a short-term to do list. I propose the following to-do list, which includes ideas seen in the mailing list and on our website. This is just a proposal, feel free to suggest modifications or ignore the list altogether :) 1) Produce a Programmer's Guide (give a little direction to new X developers) 2) Document XFCE installation (doesn't seem to be working for some people, myself included) 3) Modify our X/Server to use Windows 9X compatible graphics calls (GDI, or brief locking DirectDraw) 4) Query the Win32 API for configuration information such as key mappings and display settings 5) Ensure International compatibility 6) Check into X application bugs that seem specific to Cygwin/XFree86 (arrow keys not working in some apps, etc.) 7) Tell the world about Cygwin/XFree86 (and watch the bug reports and feature requests pour in :) I'm working on task 1, the Programmer's Guide, and I'm reading information on task 3, making our X/Server Windows 9X compatible (xc/doc/hardcopy/Xserver/ddx.PS.gz). Task 2 can be done at any time, by anyone. Tasks 4 through 7 are pretty dependent upon task 3, so we should probably hold off on them until 3 is near completion. Please voice you insights on task 3 if you have any, Harold From JDrash@EESUS.JNJ.com Tue Oct 3 13:44:00 2000 From: JDrash@EESUS.JNJ.com (Drash, Jim [EESUS]) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:44:00 -0000 Subject: NeoMagic & DirectX issues Message-ID: <952FAEB97E0AD111BB7000805F0D84F6049DA774@eesusciexs3.eesus.jnj.com> Title: NeoMagic & DirectX issues I have two (2) different laptops (Win 2000 in both) that have NeoMagic cards in them.???? Bsaed upon running all of the tests in dxdiag, these cards are performing correctly.???? Whne I run startxwin.bat.???? I constently get: ???????????????????????????? Direct Draw Init Failed ???????????????????????????? Error = 80004001 ( DIERR_UNSUPPORTED???? ) Is there anything I can do? Thanks in advance, jim drash From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 3 13:49:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:49:00 -0000 Subject: NeoMagic & DirectX issues References: <952FAEB97E0AD111BB7000805F0D84F6049DA774@eesusciexs3.eesus.jnj.com> Message-ID: Title: NeoMagic & DirectX issues Try the win9x-me.tar.bz2 from xc-4-binaries directory, replacing the xwin.exe.???? It has lower resolution. The????probable cause of DirectDrawInit????Failed was poited out by Harold.???? Check mail archives please from last 2 weeks.???? ???? Suhaib ???? ???? ???? -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com] On Behalf Of Drash, Jim [EESUS] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:44 PM To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' Subject: NeoMagic & DirectX issues I have two (2) different laptops (Win 2000 in both) that have NeoMagic cards in them.???? Bsaed upon running all of the tests in dxdiag, these cards are performing correctly.???? Whne I run startxwin.bat.???? I constently get: ???????????????????????????? Direct Draw Init Failed ???????????????????????????? Error = 80004001 ( DIERR_UNSUPPORTED???? ) Is there anything I can do? Thanks in advance, jim drash From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 3 13:50:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:50:00 -0000 Subject: NeoMagic & DirectX issues Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6EE@ENTERPRISE> Title: NeoMagic & DirectX issues Jim, ???? I??????m going to assume that your notebook cannot handle 1280x1024x16bpp?????? even if you don??????t buy that, just bear with me. ???? Edit your startxwin.bat file and change the following line: ???? start XWin -screen 8 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 ???? to: ???? start XWin -screen 0 800x600x16 ???? Direct draw fails to initialize because screen 8 does not exist so the settings for it will be ignored (don??????t know why it??????s in startxwin.bat, but it is), and the hard coded default resolution for Xwin is 1280x1024x16bpp. ???? You could probably use 1024x768x16, but try 800x600x16 first, just to be safe. ???? Harold ???? From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 3 13:58:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:58:00 -0000 Subject: NeoMagic & DirectX issues References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6EE@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: Title: NeoMagic & DirectX issues T he default resolution I changed to 1024x786x16, that is what xfree86 xvfb servers have bt default on a Linux machine. ???? the screen 8 is actually screen 8.???? It is not DirectX, but the XWin x-server theoretically supports opening upto???? 8 screens. It is a multiheaded X-server. However multiple screen display on a UNIX machine also can be video card dependent and usually works on most of the video cards, but not all.???? ???? Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com] On Behalf Of Harold Hunt Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:47 PM To: 'Drash, Jim [EESUS]' Cc: Cygx (E-mail) Subject: RE: NeoMagic & DirectX issues Jim, ???? I??????m going to assume that your notebook cannot handle 1280x1024x16bpp?????? even if you don??????t buy that, just bear with me. ???? Edit your startxwin.bat file and change the following line: ???? start XWin -screen 8 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 ???? to: ???? start XWin -screen 0 800x600x16 ???? Direct draw fails to initialize because screen 8 does not exist so the settings for it will be ignored (don??????t know why it??????s in startxwin.bat, but it is), and the hard coded default resolution for Xwin is 1280x1024x16bpp. ???? You could probably use 1024x768x16, but try 800x600x16 first, just to be safe. ???? Harold ???? From margalit_gold@hotmail.com Tue Oct 3 17:10:00 2000 From: margalit_gold@hotmail.com (Yadin Goldschmidt) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:10:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc. Message-ID: Just a little update: 1. If I change the line in startxwin.bat to start XWin -screen 0 800x600x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 with emphasis on x8, then 'xsetroot -solid blue' works correctly and similarly other colors. So why is the depth set originally to 16? 2. Since the supplied xedit does not work, I compiled xedit myself. It compiled without a hitch and works perfectly including arrow keys and the cursor. I still don't know why arrow keys don't work within nedit. I think S. Siddiqi is doing a great job. Keep it up! Yadin. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 3 17:32:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:32:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc. References: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Yadin > Goldschmidt > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:10 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Cc: yadin@pitt.edu > Subject: RE: Arrow keys, etc. > > > Just a little update: > 1. If I change the line in startxwin.bat to > start XWin -screen 0 800x600x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > with emphasis on x8, then 'xsetroot -solid blue' works correctly and > similarly other colors. So why is the depth set originally to 16? for my monitor. I assume end-users might be able to write simple batch files. I cannot possibley provide all the possible command lines for all the possible monitors and end use prefered resolutions. Sorry! Suhib > 2. Since the supplied xedit does not work, I compiled xedit myself. It > compiled without a hitch and works perfectly including arrow keys and > the cursor. I still don't know why arrow keys don't work within nedit. > I think S. Siddiqi is doing a great job. Keep it up! Thanks > Yadin. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com . From cgf@cygnus.com Tue Oct 3 18:55:00 2000 From: cgf@cygnus.com (Chris Faylor) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:55:00 -0000 Subject: Change the name of this mailing list? Message-ID: <20001003215354.A28093@cygnus.com> Should I look into changing the name of this mailing list to cygwin-xfree86 or is it not worth the effort? cgf From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue Oct 3 19:16:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:16:00 -0000 Subject: Change the name of this mailing list? Message-ID: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA638C@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> I don't think you can get a / in an email address can you? If not, I wouldn't worry about the list name. It's pretty close as is. Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Faylor [ mailto:cgf@cygnus.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2000 12:54 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Change the name of this mailing list? > > > Should I look into changing the name of this mailing list to > cygwin-xfree86 or is it not worth the effort? > > cgf > From cgf@cygnus.com Tue Oct 3 19:59:00 2000 From: cgf@cygnus.com (Chris Faylor) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:59:00 -0000 Subject: Change the name of this mailing list? References: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA638C@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> Message-ID: <20001003225755.B28353@cygnus.com> On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 01:15:14PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: >I don't think you can get a / in an email address can you? If not, I >wouldn't worry about the list name. It's pretty close as is. I was just going for the "xfree86" part. You're right that slashes aren't allowed but that doesn't mean that we can't change xfree to xfree86. cgf > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Faylor [ mailto:cgf@cygnus.com ] >> Subject: Change the name of this mailing list? >> Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2000 12:54 PM >> >> >> Should I look into changing the name of this mailing list to >> cygwin-xfree86 or is it not worth the effort? From sg_manohar@yahoo.com Tue Oct 3 22:11:00 2000 From: sg_manohar@yahoo.com (Manohar Singh) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:11:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree on 2000 exits with memory errors Message-ID: <20001004051142.5953.qmail@web2105.mail.yahoo.com> hi all, a few days ago, i had written in saying that my win2k box would not run X. the problem was that my cygwin dll was not 1.1.4 but was 1.1.2 . this is strange because i had downloaded the complete cygwin setup < latest > dir from ftp.freesoftware.com the previous day. Does this mean that the repository at ftp.freesoftware.com is not up to date ? anyways .. thanks a heap to robert / harold for your suggestions, i cant wait to get cracking on my X box ! warm regards, manohar singh. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed Oct 4 03:58:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 03:58:00 -0000 Subject: Change the name of this mailing list? References: <20001003215354.A28093@cygnus.com> Message-ID: We can leave the mailing list name as it is. I suggested Cygwin/XFree86 as a project name. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Chris Faylor > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:54 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Change the name of this mailing list? > > > Should I look into changing the name of this mailing list to > cygwin-xfree86 or is it not worth the effort? > > cgf From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed Oct 4 04:01:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 04:01:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree on 2000 exits with memory errors References: <20001004051142.5953.qmail@web2105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > hi all, > a few days ago, i had written in saying that my win2k > box would not run X. > > the problem was that my cygwin dll was not 1.1.4 but > was 1.1.2 . uname -a should give you DLLs version number, and Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ should tell you the version number of Cygwin DLL compatible with binary releases, unless you compile it yourself. Suhaib > > this is strange because i had downloaded the complete > cygwin setup < latest > dir from ftp.freesoftware.com > the previous day. Does this mean that the repository > at ftp.freesoftware.com is not up to date ? > > anyways .. thanks a heap to robert / harold for your > suggestions, i cant wait to get cracking on my X box ! > > > warm regards, > manohar singh. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ From margalit_gold@hotmail.com Wed Oct 4 06:38:00 2000 From: margalit_gold@hotmail.com (Yadin Goldschmidt) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:38:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc. Message-ID: The depth x8 or x16 is not the resolution of the monitor but determines the number of colors: 256 for 8 bits, 65536 for 16 bits. Since you said earlier that Xwin supports only 256 colors the right setting is x8. When I use 'xsetroot -solid blue' with x16 I get a red color. When I use it with x8 I get the correct blue color. Yadin. >From: "Suhaib M. Siddiqi" >To: "Yadin Goldschmidt" , > >CC: >Subject: RE: Arrow keys, etc. >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:18:52 -0400 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Yadin > > Goldschmidt > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:10 PM > > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > > Cc: yadin@pitt.edu > > Subject: RE: Arrow keys, etc. > > > > > > Just a little update: > > 1. If I change the line in startxwin.bat to > > start XWin -screen 0 800x600x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > > with emphasis on x8, then 'xsetroot -solid blue' works correctly and > > similarly other colors. So why is the depth set originally to 16? > >for my monitor. I assume end-users might be able to write simple batch >files. I >cannot possibley provide all the possible command lines for all the >possible >monitors and end use prefered resolutions. Sorry! > >Suhib > > > 2. Since the supplied xedit does not work, I compiled xedit myself. It > > compiled without a hitch and works perfectly including arrow keys and > > the cursor. I still don't know why arrow keys don't work within nedit. > > I think S. Siddiqi is doing a great job. Keep it up! > >Thanks > > > Yadin. > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com . > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com . > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed Oct 4 06:53:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:53:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc. References: Message-ID: > The depth x8 or x16 is not the resolution of the monitor but > determines the > number of colors: 256 for 8 bits, 65536 for 16 bits. Well, yes i know > Since you > said earlier > that Xwin supports only 256 colors the right setting is x8. True, 256 colors are supported,, though it should work with 16 and 32 bit to, but with a bit strange colors. >When I use > 'xsetroot -solid blue' with x16 I get a red color. When I use it > with x8 I > get the correct blue color. 16, 24, 32 support is there, but buggy, that is why. Hopefully future releases will have it fixed. Suhaib > Yadin. > > > >From: "Suhaib M. Siddiqi" > >To: "Yadin Goldschmidt" , > > > >CC: > >Subject: RE: Arrow keys, etc. > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:18:52 -0400 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Yadin > > > Goldschmidt > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:10 PM > > > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > > > Cc: yadin@pitt.edu > > > Subject: RE: Arrow keys, etc. > > > > > > > > > Just a little update: > > > 1. If I change the line in startxwin.bat to > > > start XWin -screen 0 800x600x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > > > with emphasis on x8, then 'xsetroot -solid blue' works correctly and > > > similarly other colors. So why is the depth set originally to 16? > > > >for my monitor. I assume end-users might be able to write simple batch > >files. I > >cannot possibley provide all the possible command lines for all the > >possible > >monitors and end use prefered resolutions. Sorry! > > > >Suhib > > > > > 2. Since the supplied xedit does not work, I compiled xedit myself. It > > > compiled without a hitch and works perfectly including arrow keys and > > > the cursor. I still don't know why arrow keys don't work within nedit. > > > I think S. Siddiqi is doing a great job. Keep it up! > > > >Thanks > > > > > Yadin. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com . > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com . > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com . From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed Oct 4 08:47:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:47:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc. References: <8525696E.005647E7.00@D51MTA08.pok.ibm.com> Message-ID: > Simple; add a line like "REM change the following line to match your own > monitor resolution" to the batch file. When I was troubleshooting my > setup, I went through it line by line (although I didn't understand the > "screen 8" setting). screen 8, means multiple display, opening only display number 8. you can have screen 0 xxxxxx then start from another shell X-server screen 1 xxxxxx then screen 2 xxxxx 0-8, 9 screens are supported... but will not work on all the video cards... On my Win2K with GeForce cards, I can run multiple instances of Xwin, as I described, and switch back and forth between displays using alt+tab one display connected to SGI IRIS, other to LINUX, 3rd to Sun SPARC Suhaib > > > > > James E. LaBarre > ... the gentle sound of crashing software ... > > > "Suhaib M. Siddiqi" @sources.redhat.com on > 10/03/2000 08:18:52 PM > > Sent by: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > > To: "Yadin Goldschmidt" , > > cc: > Subject: RE: Arrow keys, etc. > > > > similarly other colors. So why is the depth set originally to 16? > > for my monitor. I assume end-users might be able to write simple batch > files. I > cannot possibley provide all the possible command lines for all the > possible > monitors and end use prefered resolutions. Sorry! > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Wed Oct 4 09:12:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:12:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc. Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6F2@ENTERPRISE> Suhaib, > screen 8, means multiple display We're all aware of multiple screens... the problem is that the batch file sent in the tar ball only launches a single screen, screen number 0, so the settings for screen 8 are ignored. The default batch file should have a line that configures screen 0 to 800x600x8; that will get almost all users up and running, and they can edit their batch file from there for more screens and/or different resolutions and color depths. Now, I want you to actually try the batch file that ships with our tar ball... do it! XWin will ignore the -screen 8 settings and use the default of 1280x1024x16 instead. Now, modify the line in the batch file to change the settings on -screen 0, instead of -screen 8, and your configuration parameters will no longer be ignored. It is confusing to the users to talk of multiple screens and tell them that settings for screen 8 will not be ignored (when they are, in fact, ignored). Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed Oct 4 09:21:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:21:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc. References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6F2@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: OK, agree Suhaib > > Suhaib, > > > screen 8, means multiple display > > We're all aware of multiple screens... the problem is that the batch file > sent in the tar ball only launches a single screen, screen number > 0, so the > settings for screen 8 are ignored. The default batch file should have a > line that configures screen 0 to 800x600x8; that will get almost all users > up and running, and they can edit their batch file from there for more > screens and/or different resolutions and color depths. > > Now, I want you to actually try the batch file that ships with our tar > ball... do it! XWin will ignore the -screen 8 settings and use > the default > of 1280x1024x16 instead. Now, modify the line in the batch file to change > the settings on -screen 0, instead of -screen 8, and your configuration > parameters will no longer be ignored. > > It is confusing to the users to talk of multiple screens and tell > them that > settings for screen 8 will not be ignored (when they are, in > fact, ignored). > > Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed Oct 4 09:25:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:25:00 -0000 Subject: Arrow keys, etc. References: <8525696E.0057953D.00@D51MTA08.pok.ibm.com> Message-ID: > > > Actually, subsequent messages from last week (or was it 2 weeks ago) > pointed out the problem with "screen 8" vs "screen 0". However, from what > you say, I gather it *is* possible to run multiple instances of the X > Server? (I didn't think Windows could handle it, but you apparently can). Ok Please reply to mailing list. sms > > > > James E. LaBarre > ... the gentle sound of crashing software ... > > > "Suhaib Siddiqi" @sources.redhat.com on > 10/04/2000 11:43:59 AM > > Sent by: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > > To: > cc: > Subject: RE: Arrow keys, etc. > > > > screen 8, means multiple display, opening only display number 8. > > you can have screen 0 xxxxxx > then start from another shell X-server > screen 1 xxxxxx > then > screen 2 xxxxx > > 0-8, 9 screens are supported... but will not work on all the > video cards... > > On my Win2K with GeForce cards, I can run multiple instances of Xwin, > as I described, and switch back and forth between displays using alt+tab > one display connected to SGI IRIS, other to LINUX, 3rd to Sun SPARC > From vining@zts.com Thu Oct 5 19:33:00 2000 From: vining@zts.com (Cronin B. Vining) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:33:00 -0000 Subject: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install Message-ID: <000001c02f3d$a9997190$85e910d1@peltier> Thx. Just thought I'd start off on the right foot. Thanks to the developers and to the archives of this list I was able to get Cygwin/XFree up and running in pretty short order on an NT box. The "How-To" is excellent. OTOH, following exactly the same proceedure and using the same set of downloaded local files xfree86 failed on a second NT box. Batting .500. Not bad for baseball or beta testing. I could not find my "bug" mentioned in the archives. Both boxes have SP6 installed and share I/O through a KBD box. I downloaded everthing using setup v2.20 and Cygwin started up fine on both boxes. With only slight tweaking of startxwin.bat per the "Direct Draw Init Failed" threads in the archives (and making sure /bin is in PATH), I got me an Xserver! Way cool. But only on one box. Runnining startxwin.bat on my second box brings up a black screen with a popup error box: Back creation failed Error = 887601b3(unknown error) [OK] Click "OK" and you get a second error message: Direct Draw Init Failed Error = 887601b3(unknown error) [OK] What the heck does "Back creation failed" mean?? Anyway? At first I thought this was a hardware incompatibility issue, but now I just don't know. box#2 is a nearly 4 year old Gateway box: 200MHz Pentium Pro, with and STB Velocity 3D ViRGE/VX video adapter. I suspected the adapter driver (from 1996) was the problem, but now I don't know. For example, tweaking startxwin.bat with start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 vs start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 results in the same black screen and error messages, but the popup boxes are sized appropriate to the resolution. But using an INVALID resolution such as start XWin -screen 0 641x480x16 generates no black screen, just a single popup error box on top of my regular desktop screen, with a different error number: Direct Draw Init Failed Error = 88760078(unknown error) [OK] This makes me think the real problem here is that "back creation" thingy. But now I'm stumped. Thx for your efforts! I'm not complaining. Just reporting!! ZU, ???????????? Cronin From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Thu Oct 5 20:43:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:43:00 -0000 Subject: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6FB@ENTERPRISE> I'm sending Cronin a test dll that does not allocate a back buffer for the screen, because, as far as I can tell, the back buffer is not needed. Harold From vining@zts.com Fri Oct 6 01:02:00 2000 From: vining@zts.com (Cronin B. Vining) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 01:02:00 -0000 Subject: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A6FB@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <000101c02f63$2872bdd0$85e910d1@peltier> Everyone: Apologies for such a lengthy followup. Yadin: thx for the suggestion. Didn't work. Harold, Thx for the dll. It did indeed eliminate the "Back creation failed" error, but I still get the "Direct Draw Init Failed" error. Here are the details of why I think this. I see two types of failures: 1) Error=88760078 exact same results using either xf_dx.dll 1 popup error message only: "Direct Draw Init Failed" no black screen I get those results for these tests: start XWin -screen 0 640x480x256 start XWin -screen 0 801x600x16 I suppose this Error must mean something like: the "WxHxD" don't look valid to me. 2) Error=887601b3 using original xf_dx.dll, 2 popup error messages "Back creation failed" first, then "Direct Draw Init Failed" using test xf_dx.dll (w/o back buffer) 1 popup error message only: "Direct Draw Init Failed" on top of black screen in either case Size of popup error box corresponds to resolution I get those results for these tests: start XWin -screen 0 640x480x8 start XWin -screen 0 800x600x16 start XWin :0 I suppose this error must mean something like: I sent the "WxHxD" parameters to the video driver, but it died So, the new dll did eliminate the "back" error, but not the "Direct Draw" error. Somehow I think the "back" error is a red herring. Maybe I just have a weird video card/driver here. Thx for your support. ZU, ???????????? Cronin >-----Original Message----- >From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com >[ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:40 PM >To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com >Subject: RE: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install > > >I'm sending Cronin a test dll that does not allocate a back >buffer for the >screen, because, as far as I can tell, the back buffer is not needed. > >Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri Oct 6 03:59:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 03:59:00 -0000 Subject: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install References: <000001c02f3d$a9997190$85e910d1@peltier> Message-ID: > Runnining startxwin.bat on my second box brings up a black screen with a > popup error box: > > Back creation failed > Error = 887601b3(unknown error) > [OK] > > Click "OK" and you get a second error message: > > Direct Draw Init Failed > Error = 887601b3(unknown error) > [OK] > > > What the heck does "Back creation failed" mean?? Anyway? I am not a DirectX expert... Peter did most of the DirectX coding... Is not Back creation refers to one of the surfaces? > > > This makes me think the real problem here is that "back creation" thingy. > But now I'm stumped. > > Thx for your efforts! I'm not complaining. Just reporting!! Try the XWin-Win9x-Me.tar.bz2, and replace the xwin.exe in /usr/X11R6/bin with the one in the archive. It would not work on Win9x/Me, but might work better for Win2K/NT Suhaib > > > ZU, > ???????????? Cronin > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri Oct 6 04:02:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 04:02:00 -0000 Subject: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install References: <000101c02f63$2872bdd0$85e910d1@peltier> Message-ID: > So, the new dll did eliminate the "back" error, but not the "Direct Draw" > error. Somehow I think the "back" error is a red herring. Maybe I just > have a weird video card/driver here. > WHAT NEW DLLS? PLEASE DO NOT HAVE CUSTOM VERSIONS OF FIXED/MODIFIED EXECUTABLES AND DLLS FLOATING AROUND. YOU WILL MAKE MY LIFE HECK OF TROUBLE. I WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT CHANGED YOU MADE, WERE THOSE CHANGES WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO OFFICIAL RELEASES. sUHAIB > > Thx for your support. > > ZU, > ???????????? Cronin > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > >[ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:40 PM > >To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > >Subject: RE: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install > > > > > >I'm sending Cronin a test dll that does not allocate a back > >buffer for the > >screen, because, as far as I can tell, the back buffer is not needed. > > > >Harold > > From vining@zts.com Fri Oct 6 06:44:00 2000 From: vining@zts.com (Cronin B. Vining) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 06:44:00 -0000 Subject: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install References: Message-ID: <000201c02f9b$859206f0$85e910d1@peltier> Suhaib and the list, My deep apologies about the "new dll". It never happened. Besides, there was only dll and it entirely fix the problem anyway. I'm not a developer, but I've done enough coding to have some appreciation of the difficulties facing you and your team. I'm new to Cygwin and I'm not compiling anything (yet). As an end-user I've felt my best contribution was to test as best I can and report the results. I'm happy to do that. Someone (I'd name him again, but I'm not sure he wants the 'credit' now!) was kind enough to do a special compile addressing my (perhaps peculiar) failure. It seemed only polite to actually test the thing, and report those results. I can certainly appreciate the confusion resulting from many "custom" versions floating around. OTOH, surely everyone benefits from widespread and diverse testing. In any case, I respect your experience with such things and I'll follow your advice as best I can. BTW, I just tried your suggestion about using the xwin.exe from XWin-Win9x-Me.tar.bz2. No go. As far as i can tell this xwin.exe behaves exactly the same (for me) as the one from xfree86-4.0-DLLs.tar.bz2. And I mean exactly: both versions work fine on one NT box I have, and both fail with the same error messages on my other NT box. I'm going to look around for newer/alternate video drivers for my STB ViRGE/VX adapter. The NT SP6 didn't update that driver, so I'm still using the one that came with my machine. Thx again for your help. ZU, ???????????? Cronin >-----Original Message----- >From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com >[ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Suhaib >Siddiqi >Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:59 AM >To: Cronin B. Vining; cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com >Cc: 'Yadin Goldschmidt' >Subject: RE: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install > > > >> So, the new dll did eliminate the "back" error, but not the >"Direct Draw" >> error. Somehow I think the "back" error is a red herring. >Maybe I just >> have a weird video card/driver here. >> > > >WHAT NEW DLLS? PLEASE DO NOT HAVE CUSTOM VERSIONS OF FIXED/MODIFIED >EXECUTABLES >AND DLLS FLOATING AROUND. YOU WILL MAKE MY LIFE HECK OF >TROUBLE. I WOULD >NOT KNOW WHAT CHANGED YOU MADE, WERE THOSE CHANGES WHICH >SHOULD HAVE BEEN >INCORPORATED INTO OFFICIAL RELEASES. > >sUHAIB > > >> >> Thx for your support. >> >> ZU, >> ???????????? Cronin >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com >> >[ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of >Harold Hunt >> >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:40 PM >> >To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com >> >Subject: RE: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install >> > >> > >> >I'm sending Cronin a test dll that does not allocate a back >> >buffer for the >> >screen, because, as far as I can tell, the back buffer is >not needed. >> > >> >Harold >> > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri Oct 6 06:50:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 06:50:00 -0000 Subject: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install References: <000201c02f9b$859206f0$85e910d1@peltier> Message-ID: > Suhaib and the list, > > My deep apologies about the "new dll". It never happened. Besides, there > was only dll and it entirely fix the problem anyway. > > I'm not a developer, but I've done enough coding to have some appreciation > of the difficulties facing you and your team. I'm new to Cygwin and I'm > not compiling anything (yet). As an end-user I've felt my best > contribution was to test as best I can and report the results. I'm happy > to do that. > > Someone (I'd name him again, but I'm not sure he wants the 'credit' now!) > was kind enough to do a special compile addressing my (perhaps peculiar) > failure. It seemed only polite to actually test the thing, and report > those results. Sorry I did not mean in a bad way... All contributions are welcome. If i get patches and precompiled executable and dlls, I can make a "test" directory of sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree, from where others can download and test. Once tests are Ok, I would be gald to send the final patches to XFree86.org. According to X Consortium Licenses, patches author can insert his name before the patch, which is always preserved when patches are merged into official tree, this gives due acknowledgment to contributors. Suhaib > > I can certainly appreciate the confusion resulting from many "custom" > versions floating around. OTOH, surely everyone benefits from widespread > and diverse testing. In any case, I respect your experience with such > things and I'll follow your advice as best I can. > > BTW, I just tried your suggestion about using the xwin.exe from > XWin-Win9x-Me.tar.bz2. No go. As far as i can tell this xwin.exe > behaves exactly the same (for me) as the one from > xfree86-4.0-DLLs.tar.bz2. > And I mean exactly: both versions work fine on one NT box I > have, and both > fail with the same error messages on my other NT box. > > I'm going to look around for newer/alternate video drivers for my STB > ViRGE/VX adapter. The NT SP6 didn't update that driver, so I'm > still using > the one that came with my machine. > > Thx again for your help. > > ZU, > ???????????? Cronin > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > >[ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Suhaib > >Siddiqi > >Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:59 AM > >To: Cronin B. Vining; cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > >Cc: 'Yadin Goldschmidt' > >Subject: RE: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install > > > > > > > >> So, the new dll did eliminate the "back" error, but not the > >"Direct Draw" > >> error. Somehow I think the "back" error is a red herring. > >Maybe I just > >> have a weird video card/driver here. > >> > > > > > >WHAT NEW DLLS? PLEASE DO NOT HAVE CUSTOM VERSIONS OF FIXED/MODIFIED > >EXECUTABLES > >AND DLLS FLOATING AROUND. YOU WILL MAKE MY LIFE HECK OF > >TROUBLE. I WOULD > >NOT KNOW WHAT CHANGED YOU MADE, WERE THOSE CHANGES WHICH > >SHOULD HAVE BEEN > >INCORPORATED INTO OFFICIAL RELEASES. > > > >sUHAIB > > > > > >> > >> Thx for your support. > >> > >> ZU, > >> ???????????? Cronin > >> > >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > >> >[ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of > >Harold Hunt > >> >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:40 PM > >> >To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > >> >Subject: RE: batting .500 on xfree86-4.0 install > >> > > >> > > >> >I'm sending Cronin a test dll that does not allocate a back > >> >buffer for the > >> >screen, because, as far as I can tell, the back buffer is > >not needed. > >> > > >> >Harold > >> > > > From hhelmich@home.com Tue Oct 10 09:08:00 2000 From: hhelmich@home.com (Harold Helmich) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:08:00 -0000 Subject: Remote Server XDMCP Message-ID: <006101c032d5$422fddf0$8000a8c0@synapseinc.com> I wa hoping someone could help me. I would like to setup XFree to connect to my Linux server via XDMCP. I have found various messages in the archives and I think I am almost there but I running into a few issues. The first issue is that when I specify the -query option to XWin, it kills TCP/IP stack. I am do not get any errors stating such but am not able to ping anything even my IP address. I am running NT workstation SP 6 and using XFCE. Secondly, which version of pthread.dll should I use for XFCE? On the download site there are 3 versions. I am unable to get the Gnome interface to work, when running in non-XDMCP mode. Do I need to edit the configuration files manually beyond selecting the option from the XFCE desktop options? Lastly, I have forgotten to how allow remote x-clients from other machines access to the local server. I found a message in the archives but have not been able to find it again. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Harry From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 10 09:26:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:26:00 -0000 Subject: Remote Server XDMCP References: <006101c032d5$422fddf0$8000a8c0@synapseinc.com> Message-ID: > I wa hoping someone could help me. I would like to setup XFree to connect > to my Linux server via XDMCP. I have found various messages in > the archives > and I think I am almost there but I running into a few issues. The first > issue is that when I specify the -query option to XWin, it kills TCP/IP > stack. I am do not get any errors stating such but am not able to ping > anything even my IP address. I am running NT workstation SP 6 and using > XFCE. > I am not sure why TCP/IP stack would be killed by -query option. I noticed a few users are using -query option and none reported TCP/IP stack problems. Could it be possible you need to reinstall tcp/ip protocols, and they ae corrupted on your machine? > Secondly, which version of pthread.dll should I use for XFCE? On the > download site there are 3 versions. Any latest pthread.dll would do. It uses only 4 export symbols from it and they are in almost all the versions of pthread.dll. > > I am unable to get the Gnome interface to work, when running in non-XDMCP > mode. Do I need to edit the configuration files manually beyond selecting > the option from the XFCE desktop options? > Gnome? I have no idea. I did not port it to Cygwin/XFree86. Or are you refering to Gnome like interface of XFCE? You can edit configuration files. XFCE config files are text files and can be hacked easily. Best place to search for an answer would be XFCE Home Page and their mail archives. > Lastly, I have forgotten to how allow remote x-clients from other machines > access to the local server. I found a message in the archives > but have not > been able to find it again. from bash export DISPLAY=:0.0 or from DOS set DISPLAY=:0.0 Suhaib > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Harry From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue Oct 10 16:04:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:04:00 -0000 Subject: Remote Server XDMCP References: <006101c032d5$422fddf0$8000a8c0@synapseinc.com> Message-ID: <038f01c0330e$dd027b60$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> xhost + hostname Gnome is a desktop environment - it isn't stable on cygwin yet ( its missing esound, and glib modules). If you plan to run gnome on a linux box and X-server on cygwin, I would be interested to hear how you go. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Helmich" To: "XFree" Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 3:14 AM Subject: Remote Server XDMCP > I wa hoping someone could help me. I would like to setup XFree to connect > to my Linux server via XDMCP. I have found various messages in the archives > and I think I am almost there but I running into a few issues. The first > issue is that when I specify the -query option to XWin, it kills TCP/IP > stack. I am do not get any errors stating such but am not able to ping > anything even my IP address. I am running NT workstation SP 6 and using > XFCE. > > Secondly, which version of pthread.dll should I use for XFCE? On the > download site there are 3 versions. > > I am unable to get the Gnome interface to work, when running in non-XDMCP > mode. Do I need to edit the configuration files manually beyond selecting > the option from the XFCE desktop options? > > Lastly, I have forgotten to how allow remote x-clients from other machines > access to the local server. I found a message in the archives but have not > been able to find it again. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Harry > > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed Oct 11 03:54:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:54:00 -0000 Subject: Xhost (was Re: Remote Server XDMCP) References: <006101c032d5$422fddf0$8000a8c0@synapseinc.com> <038f01c0330e$dd027b60$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> <001f01c0335c$50d1d2f0$250f10ac@bketteridge> Message-ID: <04ed01c03371$fc569e70$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> xhost is included in the xfree binary distribution. It might not be in your path however if you have simply untarred the tarballs. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ketteridge" To: "cygwin-xfree" Cc: "Robert Collins" Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Xhost (was Re: Remote Server XDMCP) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Collins" > Subject: Re: Remote Server XDMCP > > > > xhost + hostname > You mention xhost, but I can't find it anywhere in the cygwin installation... > thus I can't run xterm on a remote box and display it on my Win2K/CygwinXfree > box. > > Have you any suggestions? > > Tara, > Ben. > > | Dr Ben Ketteridge ben.ketteridge@proact.net, WebObjects Group | > | ProAct International, PO Box 100, Denbigh. Tel: 01745 817161 | > | "Never ask a man what sort of computer he drives. If he's a Mac | > | user he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?" - Tom Clancy | > > > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed Oct 11 03:58:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:58:00 -0000 Subject: Xhost (was Re: Remote Server XDMCP) References: <04ed01c03371$fc569e70$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> Message-ID: If you install xfree86*-Prog.tar.bz2, then you must have xhost.exe in /usr/X11R6/bin. All clients and utilities, which are part of XFree86, are in *-Prog.tar.bz2 Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Robert > Collins > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:57 AM > To: Ben Ketteridge; cygwin-xfree > Subject: Re: Xhost (was Re: Remote Server XDMCP) > > > xhost is included in the xfree binary distribution. It might not > be in your > path however if you have simply untarred the tarballs. > > Rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Ketteridge" > To: "cygwin-xfree" > Cc: "Robert Collins" > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:21 PM > Subject: Xhost (was Re: Remote Server XDMCP) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Collins" > > Subject: Re: Remote Server XDMCP > > > > > > > xhost + hostname > > You mention xhost, but I can't find it anywhere in the cygwin > installation... > > thus I can't run xterm on a remote box and display it on my > Win2K/CygwinXfree > > box. > > > > Have you any suggestions? > > > > Tara, > > Ben. > > > > | Dr Ben Ketteridge ben.ketteridge@proact.net, WebObjects Group | > > | ProAct International, PO Box 100, Denbigh. Tel: 01745 817161 | > > | "Never ask a man what sort of computer he drives. If he's a Mac | > > | user he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?" - Tom Clancy | > > > > > > > > > > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Wed Oct 11 05:28:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:28:00 -0000 Subject: Windows 9X tester needed Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A70F@ENTERPRISE> I need a Windows 9X tester, with a good video card (16MB or more), that can test an occasional DLL for me. I've got a new xf_dx.dll that uses overlays instead of locking the primary surface. The overlay logic works fine on my W2K machine, and overlays should be compatible with Windows 9X, but I have a crappy video card in my Windows 9X test machine that keeps giving me fits when I try to initialize the overlayed surface. Anyone interested, with a qualified video card :), please email me directly,early in the morning of 11Oct2000 and I will send you a DLL to test for me. I need to be able to get a few rapid-fire tests in... shouldn't take more than 60 minutes. Thanks in advance, Harold P.S. Please have Cygwin/XFree86 installed on your Windows 98 machine as the installation guide describes, in advance. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed Oct 11 05:40:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:40:00 -0000 Subject: Windows 9X tester needed References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A70F@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: Harold, Why not you start sending your patches and binaries directly to me. I can create a test directory on Cygwin/XFree86 server for users to download, test and post results to Cygwin/XFree86 mailing list. This will allow me to keep track of changes at a centralized place and would save you headache of mailing files to users. But please note before you submit changes to XFree86 code itself and or supporting DLLs, that all changes must be under X-Consortium License, otherwise XFree86.org will reject your changes. They do not accept and merge changes to XFree86 source tree which are under GPL, LGPL and Perl Artistic License etc. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:16 AM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Windows 9X tester needed > > > I need a Windows 9X tester, with a good video card (16MB or > more), that can > test an occasional DLL for me. I've got a new xf_dx.dll that > uses overlays > instead of locking the primary surface. The overlay logic works > fine on my > W2K machine, and overlays should be compatible with Windows 9X, > but I have a > crappy video card in my Windows 9X test machine that keeps giving me fits > when I try to initialize the overlayed surface. > > Anyone interested, with a qualified video card :), please email me > directly,early in the morning of 11Oct2000 and I will send you a > DLL to test > for me. I need to be able to get a few rapid-fire tests in... shouldn't > take more than 60 minutes. > > Thanks in advance, > > Harold > > P.S. Please have Cygwin/XFree86 installed on your Windows 98 > machine as the > installation guide describes, in advance. From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Wed Oct 11 09:04:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:04:00 -0000 Subject: Windows 9X tester needed Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A710@ENTERPRISE> Suhaib, I don't send in my patches because they aren't patches yet. I am rapidly changing the code as I learn more about DirectDraw, and I need someone with a better hardware setup to tell me if one specific change works on their machine. Furthermore, these tests are not entirely functional, as the mouse and keyboard don't work right, shutting down the server is difficult, etc. I just need someone to tell me if they see a window on their machine, that's all. Alas, no one has responded to my testing request, so I'm probably going to have to find a better video card for my Windows 98 machine after all... Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed Oct 11 09:08:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:08:00 -0000 Subject: Windows 9X tester needed References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A710@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: > Suhaib, > > I don't send in my patches because they aren't patches yet. I am rapidly > changing the code as I learn more about DirectDraw, and I need > someone with > a better hardware setup to tell me if one specific change works on their > machine. Furthermore, these tests are not entirely functional, > as the mouse > and keyboard don't work right, shutting down the server is difficult, etc. > I just need someone to tell me if they see a window on their > machine, that's > all. > > Alas, no one has responded to my testing request, so I'm probably going to > have to find a better video card for my Windows 98 machine after all... > > Harold What kind of Video card are you thinking? Suhaib From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Wed Oct 11 09:40:00 2000 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:40:00 -0000 Subject: Xhost (was Re: Remote Server XDMCP) References: <04ed01c03371$fc569e70$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Robert Collins wrote: > xhost is included in the xfree binary distribution. It might not be in your > path however if you have simply untarred the tarballs. > > > > xhost + hostname > > You mention xhost, but I can't find it anywhere in the cygwin > installation... > > thus I can't run xterm on a remote box and display it on my > Win2K/CygwinXfree > > box. > > > > Have you any suggestions? Start the server with command switch -ac. This will disable Access Control. Unfortunatly this will enable access from everywhere. But in noncritical use, this should not be a big problem. Unfortunatly -ac won't work with Xvfb and Xggi. They only print something like "Unsupported Option" and show the command switches in Messageboxes (and -ac as 2nd or 3rd) cu -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de | http://www.gotti.org Wollen Sie Ihre Festplatte formatieren? [J]a [N]at????rlich From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed Oct 11 09:46:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:46:00 -0000 Subject: Xhost (was Re: Remote Server XDMCP) References: Message-ID: > Start the server with command switch -ac. This will disable Access > Control. Unfortunatly this will enable access from everywhere. But > in noncritical use, this should not be a big problem. > > Unfortunatly -ac won't work with Xvfb and Xggi. They only print > something like "Unsupported Option" and show the command switches in > Messageboxes (and -ac as 2nd or 3rd) > > cu > > -- > Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de | http://www.gotti.org > Wollen Sie Ihre Festplatte formatieren? Nein!!! > [J]a [N]at????rlich > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Wed Oct 11 11:03:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:03:00 -0000 Subject: Windows 9X preliminary success Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A712@ENTERPRISE> After tweaking the DirectDraw overlay surface code, I can now display an Xserver window on my Windows 98 machine. This code is very preliminary, but I figured I'd give everyone a heads up so they know to expect something soon... Harold From bmcnultyjunior@yahoo.com Thu Oct 12 03:35:00 2000 From: bmcnultyjunior@yahoo.com (McNulty Junior Bobby) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:35:00 -0000 Subject: xfree86 and Win9x Message-ID: <20001012103441.11002.qmail@web5504.mail.yahoo.com> I finally cracked down and got Xfree86, only to read that it works only on w2k and NT. How can i help make it work on W98? ===== It was the the Best Of Times, it was the worst of times Message, Spock? Non that I'm concious of, except, of course, Happy Birthday. Kirk and Spock in Star Trek II The Wrath Of Khan May 1982 Robert McNulty Junior (C) 2000 From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 12 03:52:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:52:00 -0000 Subject: xfree86 and Win9x References: <20001012103441.11002.qmail@web5504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > I finally cracked down and got Xfree86, only to read > that it works only on w2k and NT. How can i help make > it work on W98? By doing programming and by fixing the code. Suhaib > > > ===== > It was the the Best Of Times, it was the worst of times > Message, Spock? > Non that I'm concious of, except, of course, Happy Birthday. > Kirk and Spock in Star Trek II The Wrath Of Khan > May 1982 > > Robert McNulty Junior (C) 2000 From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Thu Oct 12 05:11:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 05:11:00 -0000 Subject: xfree86 and Win9x Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A71A@ENTERPRISE> Robert, I've got a pretty good start on making XFree86 work on Windows 98 now, but I need a little more time to clean up what I have done and to come up with a framework of what needs to be done and how complicated each portion of that work is. I'll post to the list when I have something that can be contributed to; I'll also be posting a programmer's guide to help new contributers get oriented as quickly as possible. Thank you for your interest in the project, and I hope to see you contributing when we have everything setup for you, Harold -----Original Message----- From: McNulty Junior Bobby [ mailto:bmcnultyjunior@yahoo.com ] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 6:35 AM To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: xfree86 and Win9x I finally cracked down and got Xfree86, only to read that it works only on w2k and NT. How can i help make it work on W98? ===== It was the the Best Of Times, it was the worst of times Message, Spock? Non that I'm concious of, except, of course, Happy Birthday. Kirk and Spock in Star Trek II The Wrath Of Khan May 1982 Robert McNulty Junior (C) 2000 From bmcnultyjunior@yahoo.com Thu Oct 12 07:02:00 2000 From: bmcnultyjunior@yahoo.com (McNulty Junior Bobby) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:02:00 -0000 Subject: xfree86 and Win9x Message-ID: <20001012140208.27341.qmail@web5502.mail.yahoo.com> Great. Siddig, I'll DL the source ASAP. Harold, All I have is the binary distribrition at the moment. Ever since seeing Xfree on Linux, I've been dying for a port to Windows 9x. I'll look into somethings ASAP. Later Robert From hhelmich@home.com Thu Oct 12 07:54:00 2000 From: hhelmich@home.com (Harold Helmich) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:54:00 -0000 Subject: Remote Server XDMCP References: <006101c032d5$422fddf0$8000a8c0@synapseinc.com> <038f01c0330e$dd027b60$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <004901c0345d$2aef1b90$8000a8c0@synapseinc.com> Thanks for everyone's help. I got XFCE and XFree86 to work on NT SP 6.0. I was also able to get XDMCP working correctly and was able to establish connections to my Linux severs. Below are the two configuration files I use to run XFree86 on NT. The first file is the standalone version. The second provides the settings I use to connect to my Linux box. Turns out my stack corruption was my laptop not refreshing its TCP/IP settings automatically between different network environments. 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From jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca Sat Oct 14 11:13:00 2000 From: jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca (Sylvan Katz) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:13:00 -0000 Subject: Acquire Keyboard Error Message-ID: <39E8A233.67729BBC@sk.sympatico.ca> I just installed Cyqwin and the Xfree86 binaires on my NT 4.0 SP 5.0 machine. When I run startxwin.bat I get an error message window with Acquire Keyboard Error=80070057 (Dierr_Invalid Param) How do I fix this problem? -- Sylvan Katz Saskatoon, Sask VE5ZX & G0TZX From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 15 07:25:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 07:25:00 -0000 Subject: Acquire Keyboard Error Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515B4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Could you please read mail archives and follow Harold hunt advice on changing startxwin.bat settings. It could be resolution issue. What kind of keyboard are you using? Canadian French? Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Sylvan Katz To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com Sent: 10/14/2000 2:13 PM Subject: Acquire Keyboard Error I just installed Cyqwin and the Xfree86 binaires on my NT 4.0 SP 5.0 machine. When I run startxwin.bat I get an error message window with Acquire Keyboard Error=80070057 (Dierr_Invalid Param) How do I fix this problem? -- Sylvan Katz Saskatoon, Sask VE5ZX & G0TZX From jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca Sun Oct 15 08:31:00 2000 From: jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca (Sylvan Katz) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:31:00 -0000 Subject: Acquire Keyboard Error References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515B4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <009a01c036bd$01e9eb00$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> Hi Suhaib > Could you please read mail archives and follow Harold hunt advice on > changing startxwin.bat settings. It could be resolution issue. > > What kind of keyboard are you using? Canadian French? I search the archives, read the HowTo and I founf nothing that seems to resolve the problem. My keyboards is a PC/AT Keyboard (84-Key) - US English - Logitech Cordless Thanks Sylvan Katz Saskatoon, Sask VE5ZX & G0TZX ----- Original Message ----- From: Suhaib Siddiqi To: Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 8:24 AM Subject: RE: Acquire Keyboard Error > Could you please read mail archives and follow Harold hunt advice on > changing startxwin.bat settings. It could be resolution issue. > > What kind of keyboard are you using? Canadian French? > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvan Katz > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Sent: 10/14/2000 2:13 PM > Subject: Acquire Keyboard Error > > I just installed Cyqwin and the Xfree86 binaires on my NT 4.0 SP 5.0 > machine. When I run startxwin.bat I get an error message window with > > Acquire Keyboard > Error=80070057 (Dierr_Invalid Param) > > How do I fix this problem? > > > > -- > Sylvan Katz > Saskatoon, Sask > VE5ZX & G0TZX > From jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca Sun Oct 15 08:37:00 2000 From: jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca (Sylvan Katz) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:37:00 -0000 Subject: Acquire Keyboard Error References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515B4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <00b901c036bd$cba4d4f0$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> Suhaib Oh and I am using Xwin ... By the way where is the documentation on the Xwin input information? Sylvan Katz Saskatoon, Sask VE5ZX & G0TZX ----- Original Message ----- From: Suhaib Siddiqi To: Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 8:24 AM Subject: RE: Acquire Keyboard Error > Could you please read mail archives and follow Harold hunt advice on > changing startxwin.bat settings. It could be resolution issue. > > What kind of keyboard are you using? Canadian French? > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvan Katz > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Sent: 10/14/2000 2:13 PM > Subject: Acquire Keyboard Error > > I just installed Cyqwin and the Xfree86 binaires on my NT 4.0 SP 5.0 > machine. When I run startxwin.bat I get an error message window with > > Acquire Keyboard > Error=80070057 (Dierr_Invalid Param) > > How do I fix this problem? > > > > -- > Sylvan Katz > Saskatoon, Sask > VE5ZX & G0TZX > From jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca Mon Oct 16 17:42:00 2000 From: jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca (Sylvan Katz) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:42:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? Message-ID: <03a901c037d3$19c87a90$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> Anyone: I am trying to get Xwin running on my NT 4.0 SP 6.0. I am not a software developer I am a researcher who runs 2 NT machines and a Linux box. I need an Xserver so I can work on my Linux box from one of my NT machines. I maintain an Oracle DB on the Linux box and I query it with Perl scripts. I had hoped that Xwin would do the trick. Cygwin installed okay and the Xserver starts but I get an "acquire keyboard" error and there is no keyboard input available. I am running a LogiTech PC/AT Keyboard (84-Key) - US English - cordless keyboard. If you think that Xwin is too unstable to use then I shall move to MI/X. Thank you Dr. Sylvan Katz Saskatoon, Sask From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Mon Oct 16 17:49:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:49:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A737@ENTERPRISE> Dr. Sylvan, Cygwin/XFree86 does have problems with keyboards other than US 101/104 key keyboards. It appears to be the case that your 84 key keyboard will not work with the current code base. We're working on making the keyboard support more keyboard independent; until then, I guess you'll either have to move to MI/X or get a 104 key keyboard. Thanks for your interest in the project, keep checking back for updates, Harold -----Original Message----- From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 8:42 PM To: cygwin-xfree Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? Anyone: I am trying to get Xwin running on my NT 4.0 SP 6.0. I am not a software developer I am a researcher who runs 2 NT machines and a Linux box. I need an Xserver so I can work on my Linux box from one of my NT machines. I maintain an Oracle DB on the Linux box and I query it with Perl scripts. I had hoped that Xwin would do the trick. Cygwin installed okay and the Xserver starts but I get an "acquire keyboard" error and there is no keyboard input available. I am running a LogiTech PC/AT Keyboard (84-Key) - US English - cordless keyboard. If you think that Xwin is too unstable to use then I shall move to MI/X. Thank you Dr. Sylvan Katz Saskatoon, Sask From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Mon Oct 16 18:21:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:21:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? Message-ID: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA63CF@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> Are you and administrator or normal user on the machine? Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] > Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2000 11:42 AM > To: cygwin-xfree > Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > Anyone: > > I am trying to get Xwin running on my NT 4.0 SP 6.0. I am not > a software developer I am a researcher who runs 2 NT > machines and a Linux box. I need an Xserver so I can work on > my Linux box from one of my NT machines. I maintain an Oracle > DB on the Linux box and I query it with Perl scripts. I had > hoped that Xwin would do the trick. Cygwin installed okay and > the Xserver starts but I get an "acquire keyboard" error and > there is no keyboard input available. I am running a LogiTech > PC/AT Keyboard (84-Key) - US English - cordless keyboard. If > you think that Xwin is too unstable to use then I shall move to MI/X. > > Thank you > Dr. Sylvan Katz > Saskatoon, Sask > > > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Mon Oct 16 18:33:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:33:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? Message-ID: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA63D2@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> Cool I was jsut asking in case there was an issue with privileges and getting access to the keyboard. P.S. Please kepe replies cc:d to the list Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] > Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2000 12:27 PM > To: Robert Collins > Subject: Re: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > I am the adminstrator and ALL the users :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Collins > To: Sylvan Katz ; cygwin-xfree > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:19 PM > Subject: RE: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > Are you and administrator or normal user on the machine? > > Rob > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2000 11:42 AM > > To: cygwin-xfree > > Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > > > > Anyone: > > > > I am trying to get Xwin running on my NT 4.0 SP 6.0. I am not > > a software developer I am a researcher who runs 2 NT > > machines and a Linux box. I need an Xserver so I can work on > > my Linux box from one of my NT machines. I maintain an Oracle > > DB on the Linux box and I query it with Perl scripts. I had > > hoped that Xwin would do the trick. Cygwin installed okay and > > the Xserver starts but I get an "acquire keyboard" error and > > there is no keyboard input available. I am running a LogiTech > > PC/AT Keyboard (84-Key) - US English - cordless keyboard. If > > you think that Xwin is too unstable to use then I shall > move to MI/X. > > > > Thank you > > Dr. Sylvan Katz > > Saskatoon, Sask > > > > > > > > From jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca Mon Oct 16 18:33:00 2000 From: jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca (Sylvan Katz) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:33:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: PLEASE can anyone help? Message-ID: <002701c037da$46eefec0$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> Harold Thank you for your message. I have now changed my key driver to a PC/AT Enhanced Keyboard (101/102-Key) since the Logitech cordless works with this driver too. The problem has still not cleared up. Do you have another suggestion? Sylvan ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Hunt To: 'Sylvan Katz' ; cygwin-xfree Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:44 PM Subject: RE: PLEASE can anyone help? > Dr. Sylvan, > > Cygwin/XFree86 does have problems with keyboards other than US 101/104 key > keyboards. It appears to be the case that your 84 key keyboard will not > work with the current code base. We're working on making the keyboard > support more keyboard independent; until then, I guess you'll either have to > move to MI/X or get a 104 key keyboard. > > Thanks for your interest in the project, keep checking back for updates, > > Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 8:42 PM > To: cygwin-xfree > Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > Anyone: > > I am trying to get Xwin running on my NT 4.0 SP 6.0. I am not a software > developer I am a researcher who runs 2 NT machines and a Linux box. I need > an Xserver so I can work on my Linux box from one of my NT machines. I > maintain an Oracle DB on the Linux box and I query it with Perl scripts. I > had hoped that Xwin would do the trick. Cygwin installed okay and the > Xserver starts but I get an "acquire keyboard" error and there is no > keyboard input available. I am running a LogiTech PC/AT Keyboard (84-Key) - > US English - cordless keyboard. If you think that Xwin is too unstable to > use then I shall move to MI/X. > > Thank you > Dr. Sylvan Katz > Saskatoon, Sask > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Mon Oct 16 20:19:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:19:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A738@ENTERPRISE> Sylvan, Well, it's funny that you are asking about a keyboard problem, because I was already learning how Direct Input handles keyboard and mouse input; Cygwin/XFree86 uses DirectInput to interface with the keyboard and mouse. I've been reading the documentation and the source, with the intention of fixing the problems that you described. I can only say that I'll have something Real Soon Now; I might have something you can use in a week, but I won't have something for general release until several weeks from now, as I want to release the input changes at the same time as the display changes. I'll keep posting to the list, and I'll CC you when I have something related to fixing the keyboard acquisition. Harold -----Original Message----- From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 9:34 PM To: cygwin-xfree Subject: Fw: PLEASE can anyone help? Harold Thank you for your message. I have now changed my key driver to a PC/AT Enhanced Keyboard (101/102-Key) since the Logitech cordless works with this driver too. The problem has still not cleared up. Do you have another suggestion? Sylvan From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Mon Oct 16 20:48:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:48:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A739@ENTERPRISE> Sylvan, One more thing: do you have any programs running that might use Direct Input to acquire the keyboard? Try shutting down all non-system applications, then try to launch Cygwin/XFree86. I would shut down any applications in the tray, and I would remove all applications from Start->Programs->Startup, and if you really want to be sure, go in and verify that neither the registry nor the system configuration files (win.ini, system.ini) are loading any applications at login. You might first want to try installing a normal keyboard (not just a normal driver), just to see if that works or not. Harold From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Mon Oct 16 23:41:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:41:00 -0000 Subject: Status Update Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A73A@ENTERPRISE> All, Today I achieved some desired results with the Win9X compatible Cygwin/XFree86 server. I now have a server that places the overlay within a window (giving the appearance that the server is a normal windows program), it disappears when you press Alt-Tab, and it handles switching back and forth to the server without any major problems. Also, my readings on DirectInput have given me a couple ideas that I may be able to pursue to fix the keyboard problems being reported by several users. I need some sort of definition of what the server should be before I start writing some serious code, as I now have a firm enough grasp on the technologies involved and the source code for the project. I'm going to start with a list of all the features that I have in mind, and I'd appreciate it if other list subscribers voiced their support and disinterest in the various features. Proposed Cygwin/XFree86 X Server Features 1) Full screen display mode (primary surface on NT, full screen overlay on Win9X) Difficulty: not bad, my test implementation is nearly complete 2) Windowed display mode (non full screen overlay on all platforms) Difficulty: not bad, my test implementation is nearly complete 3) Read full screen display mode from command line (vs. ?) Difficulty: already implemented 4) Check desired full screen mode against hardware capabilities Difficulty: not bad, haven't started yet 5) Use current display settings for windowed mode Difficulty: easy, haven't started yet 6) Safer keyboard initialization Difficulty: medium, doesn't look hard, haven't started 7) Color depths greater than 8 bits (anybody *need* this soon?) Difficulty: unknown, performance may suck 8) Use graphics hardware acceleration (rather than the current flat frame buffer) Difficulty: hard, not started, would take several months 9) Devise a server start method that doesn't launch a ton of DOS prompts Difficulty: unknown, might cause more confusion than benefit That's all I can think of for right now; I could probably get out a stable release in a month if I stick to the easy tasks. I think that a simple, stable release that works on Windows 9X would probably make a lot of people happy very quickly, as opposed to the more far-fetched ideas like hardware acceleration and International keyboard support. What do you all think? Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue Oct 17 00:11:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:11:00 -0000 Subject: Status Update References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A73A@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <026b01c03809$f13c35d0$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> Yee-haw! (sic) Looks good to me. My votes: get the non-full screen implementation going before high colour or hardware accel. It's much more useful (to me) in commercial X-servers than the high-colour aspect. I can test win2k/98 for you as needed. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "Cygx (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: Status Update > All, > > Today I achieved some desired results with the Win9X compatible > Cygwin/XFree86 server. I now have a server that places the overlay within a > window (giving the appearance that the server is a normal windows program), > it disappears when you press Alt-Tab, and it handles switching back and > forth to the server without any major problems. Also, my readings on > DirectInput have given me a couple ideas that I may be able to pursue to fix > the keyboard problems being reported by several users. > > I need some sort of definition of what the server should be before I start > writing some serious code, as I now have a firm enough grasp on the > technologies involved and the source code for the project. I'm going to > start with a list of all the features that I have in mind, and I'd > appreciate it if other list subscribers voiced their support and disinterest > in the various features. > > Proposed Cygwin/XFree86 X Server Features > 1) Full screen display mode (primary surface on NT, > full screen overlay on Win9X) > Difficulty: not bad, my test implementation is nearly complete > > 2) Windowed display mode (non full screen overlay on all platforms) > Difficulty: not bad, my test implementation is nearly complete > > 3) Read full screen display mode from command line (vs. ?) > Difficulty: already implemented > > 4) Check desired full screen mode against hardware capabilities > Difficulty: not bad, haven't started yet > > 5) Use current display settings for windowed mode > Difficulty: easy, haven't started yet > > 6) Safer keyboard initialization > Difficulty: medium, doesn't look hard, haven't started > > 7) Color depths greater than 8 bits (anybody *need* this soon?) > Difficulty: unknown, performance may suck > > 8) Use graphics hardware acceleration (rather than the current flat frame > buffer) > Difficulty: hard, not started, would take several months > > 9) Devise a server start method that doesn't launch a ton of DOS prompts > Difficulty: unknown, might cause more confusion than benefit > > That's all I can think of for right now; I could probably get out a stable > release in a month if I stick to the easy tasks. I think that a simple, > stable release that works on Windows 9X would probably make a lot of people > happy very quickly, as opposed to the more far-fetched ideas like hardware > acceleration and International keyboard support. What do you all think? > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 17 03:40:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:40:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? References: <002701c037da$46eefec0$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515BF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > Harold > > Thank you for your message. I have now changed my key driver > to a PC/AT Enhanced Keyboard (101/102-Key) since the Logitech > cordless works with this driver too. The problem has still > not cleared up. Do you have another suggestion? > > Sylvan Ummmm... cordless keyboard? In fact XF86 has problems on Linux too with cordless keyboard and mouse... I do not think you would have much luck in getting a fix soon for a cordless input devices for XF86. Suhaib > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Harold Hunt > To: 'Sylvan Katz' ; cygwin-xfree > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:44 PM > Subject: RE: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > > Dr. Sylvan, > > > > Cygwin/XFree86 does have problems with keyboards other than > US 101/104 key > > keyboards. It appears to be the case that your 84 key > keyboard will not > > work with the current code base. We're working on making > the keyboard > > support more keyboard independent; until then, I guess > you'll either have to > > move to MI/X or get a 104 key keyboard. > > > > Thanks for your interest in the project, keep checking back > for updates, > > > > Harold > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 8:42 PM > > To: cygwin-xfree > > Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > > > > Anyone: > > > > I am trying to get Xwin running on my NT 4.0 SP 6.0. I am > not a software > > developer I am a researcher who runs 2 NT machines and a > Linux box. I need > > an Xserver so I can work on my Linux box from one of my NT > machines. I > > maintain an Oracle DB on the Linux box and I query it with > Perl scripts. I > > had hoped that Xwin would do the trick. Cygwin installed > okay and the > > Xserver starts but I get an "acquire keyboard" error and > there is no > > keyboard input available. I am running a LogiTech PC/AT > Keyboard (84-Key) - > > US English - cordless keyboard. If you think that Xwin is > too unstable to > > use then I shall move to MI/X. > > > > Thank you > > Dr. Sylvan Katz > > Saskatoon, Sask > > > > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue Oct 17 03:42:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:42:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515BF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <02df01c03827$7020c650$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> I have happily used the logitech cordless mouse with the current X.. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: "cygwin-xfree" Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 9:39 PM Subject: RE: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > > > Harold > > > > Thank you for your message. I have now changed my key driver > > to a PC/AT Enhanced Keyboard (101/102-Key) since the Logitech > > cordless works with this driver too. The problem has still > > not cleared up. Do you have another suggestion? > > > > Sylvan > > > Ummmm... cordless keyboard? In fact XF86 has problems on Linux too with > cordless keyboard and mouse... I do not think you would have much > luck in getting a fix soon for a cordless input devices for XF86. > > Suhaib > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Harold Hunt > > To: 'Sylvan Katz' ; cygwin-xfree > > > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:44 PM > > Subject: RE: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > > > > > Dr. Sylvan, > > > > > > Cygwin/XFree86 does have problems with keyboards other than > > US 101/104 key > > > keyboards. It appears to be the case that your 84 key > > keyboard will not > > > work with the current code base. We're working on making > > the keyboard > > > support more keyboard independent; until then, I guess > > you'll either have to > > > move to MI/X or get a 104 key keyboard. > > > > > > Thanks for your interest in the project, keep checking back > > for updates, > > > > > > Harold > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] > > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 8:42 PM > > > To: cygwin-xfree > > > Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > > > > > > > Anyone: > > > > > > I am trying to get Xwin running on my NT 4.0 SP 6.0. I am > > not a software > > > developer I am a researcher who runs 2 NT machines and a > > Linux box. I need > > > an Xserver so I can work on my Linux box from one of my NT > > machines. I > > > maintain an Oracle DB on the Linux box and I query it with > > Perl scripts. I > > > had hoped that Xwin would do the trick. Cygwin installed > > okay and the > > > Xserver starts but I get an "acquire keyboard" error and > > there is no > > > keyboard input available. I am running a LogiTech PC/AT > > Keyboard (84-Key) - > > > US English - cordless keyboard. If you think that Xwin is > > too unstable to > > > use then I shall move to MI/X. > > > > > > Thank you > > > Dr. Sylvan Katz > > > Saskatoon, Sask > > > > > > > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 17 03:54:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:54:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? References: <02df01c03827$7020c650$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515C2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > I have happily used the logitech cordless mouse with the current X.. > > Rob That was to warn!!! The hw/Xext and other X-code in Xservers/hw behave erratically on systems with cordless and USB mouse and keyboards. Rob, Do you mind adding Harold Hunt name in Contributors list at Cygwin/XFree86. PS, I will out of country for whole December, in case Harold sumbits his changes in December, then they won't show up till January 2001. Suhaib > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" > To: "cygwin-xfree" > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 9:39 PM > Subject: RE: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > > > > > > > > Harold > > > > > > Thank you for your message. I have now changed my key driver > > > to a PC/AT Enhanced Keyboard (101/102-Key) since the Logitech > > > cordless works with this driver too. The problem has still > > > not cleared up. Do you have another suggestion? > > > > > > Sylvan > > > > > > Ummmm... cordless keyboard? In fact XF86 has problems on > Linux too with > > cordless keyboard and mouse... I do not think you would have much > > luck in getting a fix soon for a cordless input devices for XF86. > > > > Suhaib > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Harold Hunt > > > To: 'Sylvan Katz' ; cygwin-xfree > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:44 PM > > > Subject: RE: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Sylvan, > > > > > > > > Cygwin/XFree86 does have problems with keyboards other than > > > US 101/104 key > > > > keyboards. It appears to be the case that your 84 key > > > keyboard will not > > > > work with the current code base. We're working on making > > > the keyboard > > > > support more keyboard independent; until then, I guess > > > you'll either have to > > > > move to MI/X or get a 104 key keyboard. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your interest in the project, keep checking back > > > for updates, > > > > > > > > Harold > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] > > > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 8:42 PM > > > > To: cygwin-xfree > > > > Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone: > > > > > > > > I am trying to get Xwin running on my NT 4.0 SP 6.0. I am > > > not a software > > > > developer I am a researcher who runs 2 NT machines and a > > > Linux box. I need > > > > an Xserver so I can work on my Linux box from one of my NT > > > machines. I > > > > maintain an Oracle DB on the Linux box and I query it with > > > Perl scripts. I > > > > had hoped that Xwin would do the trick. Cygwin installed > > > okay and the > > > > Xserver starts but I get an "acquire keyboard" error and > > > there is no > > > > keyboard input available. I am running a LogiTech PC/AT > > > Keyboard (84-Key) - > > > > US English - cordless keyboard. If you think that Xwin is > > > too unstable to > > > > use then I shall move to MI/X. > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Dr. Sylvan Katz > > > > Saskatoon, Sask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue Oct 17 03:57:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:57:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515C2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <02f101c03829$79a64bd0$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> Sure I'll add Harold to the contributors section. (And upload the source to the howto :-] Might not be this week though :-[ I'm sorry I haven't been as active as I'd like to be on the web pages. Rob From Juergen.Simonsen@dag.de Tue Oct 17 05:22:00 2000 From: Juergen.Simonsen@dag.de (Jürgen Simonsen) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:22:00 -0000 Subject: German keyboard Message-ID: <39EC4490.7DBE3564@hamburg.dag.de> Hello all, I installed CYGWIN and the XFree-Software. Got the following problems: - I don't know how to change the keyboard layout for a german layout. - Screen resolution 800x600x16 works fine but when I use 1024x768x16 the X-screen disappears when I change to windows and back to X. Could someone help me. J????rgen From murao@al.cs.kobe-u.ac.jp Tue Oct 17 05:52:00 2000 From: murao@al.cs.kobe-u.ac.jp (Hajime Murao) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:52:00 -0000 Subject: German keyboard References: <39EC4490.7DBE3564@hamburg.dag.de> Message-ID: <39EC4BC73E.5545MURAO@al.cs.kobe-u.ac.jp> Hi, On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:22:40 +0200 J=fcrgen Simonsen wrote: > Hello all, > > I installed CYGWIN and the XFree-Software. > Got the following problems: > - I don't know how to change the keyboard layout for > a german layout. Currently, you need to modify some files (mainly winkeymap.h) in the XFree source tree and recompile it. I made XWin.exe supporting Japanese keyboard in such a way and it is working very fine on my computer. > - Screen resolution 800x600x16 works fine but > when I use 1024x768x16 the X-screen disappears when > I change to windows and back to X. Sorry, no idea. > Could someone help me. > > J=fcrgen > ---------- Hajime MURAO, Kobe University A professional? No, I am not professional. I am an amateur. "Amateur" comes from the latin "amare":to love. If you do not love what you do, you do not deserve to do it. --- Orson Welles From lebarre@us.ibm.com Tue Oct 17 06:35:00 2000 From: lebarre@us.ibm.com (lebarre@us.ibm.com) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:35:00 -0000 Subject: Status Update Message-ID: <8525697B.004A91CA.00@D51MTA08.pok.ibm.com> Well, isn't the main reason for all the DOS prompts because a couple of terminal windows are being launched along with the X-server? If the window manager can do it, you could open the windows within X (I've noticed XFce is already ported, for example), and you could remove some prompts roight there. I expect, though, you're looking for a way to feed "run" paramaters to XWin.exe > 9) Devise a server start method that doesn't launch a ton of DOS prompts > Difficulty: unknown, might cause more confusion than benefit From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 17 06:47:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:47:00 -0000 Subject: Status Update References: <8525697B.004A91CA.00@D51MTA08.pok.ibm.com> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515C4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > Well, isn't the main reason for all the DOS prompts because a > couple of > terminal windows are being launched along with the X-server? > If the window > manager can do it, you could open the windows within X (I've > noticed XFce > is already ported, for example), and you could remove some > prompts roight > there. > > I expect, though, you're looking for a way to feed "run" paramaters to > XWin.exe > > > > 9) Devise a server start method that doesn't launch a ton > of DOS prompts > > Difficulty: unknown, might cause more confusion than benefit > > You need not to do any code modifications.. Cygwin can handle it. DOS windows are for some purpose... that is to get console output of error messages for debuging purposes. If you do not like to see DOS console.. use nohup... Modify the startxwin.bat file and replace all the start xxxxx commands with the following: C:\Cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c "nohup /bin/bash -c ""/bin/bash -c 'XWin -screeon 0 600x800x16 &""&" C:\Cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c "nohup /bin/bash -c ""/bin/bash -c 'xterm -sb -sl 2048 -font 7x13bold -sb -e /bin/bash'&""&" C:\Cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c "nohup /bin/bash -c ""/bin/bash -c 'mxterm -sb -sl 2048 -font 7x13bold -sb -e /bin/bash'&""&" You will have no DOS console Windows... Suhaib From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 17 06:59:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:59:00 -0000 Subject: Single DOS window Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A73D@ENTERPRISE> Actually, I found a simpler way that works with a slight modification to the stock startxwin.bat file; use 'start /B' instead of 'start' for each of the lines in startxwin.bat that launch an external application. So, your file might look a little something like the following: start /B XWin -screen 0 800x600x8 start /B xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black start /B vtwm This results in a single DOS prompt that still displays debugging messages from XWin.exe. Harold From c.bompart@hughesrae.co.uk Tue Oct 17 09:19:00 2000 From: c.bompart@hughesrae.co.uk (Cedric Bompart) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:19:00 -0000 Subject: glib compilation pb Message-ID: <39EC7BAE.DCFCC572@hughesrae.co.uk> Hi, I want to install Enlightenment window manager to my cygwin 1.1.4 / xfree 4 and this window manager require the Glib library. So I try to compile Glib 1.2.8 and I get the following errors during the make: make[2]: Entering directory `/cygdrive/d/temp/glib-1.2.8.tar/glib-1.2.8' /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN= g_log_domain_glib???????????????? -g -O2 -Wall???? -D_REENTRANT -c gerror.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=g_log_domain_glib -g -O2 -Wall -D _REENTRANT -c gerror.c -o gerror.o gerror.c: In function `g_on_error_query': gerror.c:102: warning: implicit declaration of function `getpid' gerror.c:115: warning: implicit declaration of function `isatty' gerror.c: In function `g_on_error_stack_trace': gerror.c:164: warning: implicit declaration of function `fork' gerror.c: In function `stack_trace': gerror.c:201: storage size of `tv' isn't known gerror.c:209: warning: implicit declaration of function `pipe' gerror.c:218: warning: implicit declaration of function `close' gerror.c:218: warning: implicit declaration of function `dup' gerror.c:222: warning: implicit declaration of function `execvp' gerror.c:232: warning: implicit declaration of function `bzero' gerror.c:235: warning: implicit declaration of function `write' gerror.c:248: warning: implicit declaration of function `select' gerror.c:254: warning: implicit declaration of function `read' gerror.c:201: warning: unused variable `tv' make[2]: *** [gerror.lo] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/cygdrive/d/temp/glib-1.2.8.tar/glib-1.2.8' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/cygdrive/d/temp/glib-1.2.8.tar/glib-1.2.8' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 Any idea? Thx. Ced. -- Cedric Bompart, Internet Developer, Morse Hughes Rae Tel: 01332 224513???????? Mobile: 07931 536934???????? Switchboard: 01332 600110 email: c.bompart@hughesrae.co.uk This email and any attachments are confidential and are intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete it from your system. ???? From acmay@mace.penguinpowered.com Tue Oct 17 12:17:00 2000 From: acmay@mace.penguinpowered.com (andrew may) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:17:00 -0000 Subject: glib compilation pb References: <39EC7BAE.DCFCC572@hughesrae.co.uk> Message-ID: <20001017121645.A6822@ecam.san.rr.com> > make[2]: Entering directory `/cygdrive/d/temp/glib-1.2.8.tar/glib-1.2.8' > > /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. > -DG_LOG_DOMAIN= > g_log_domain_glib -g -O2 -Wall -D_REENTRANT -c gerror.c > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=g_log_domain_glib -g -O2 > -Wall -D I have not done any gcc complies on windows but it looks like a basic problem. Header files are not being pulled in. I would look at why it has "-I." repeated 3 times. This is not a problem but it may mean some system vars are not set correctly. From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue Oct 17 14:11:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:11:00 -0000 Subject: Status Update References: <8525697B.004A91CA.00@D51MTA08.pok.ibm.com> Message-ID: <038201c0387f$39fdf2c0$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> I launch X from bash and get no extra windows - why not just launch "bash startx" which should get the same result? Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Cygx (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 12:34 AM Subject: Re: Status Update > Well, isn't the main reason for all the DOS prompts because a couple of > terminal windows are being launched along with the X-server? If the window > manager can do it, you could open the windows within X (I've noticed XFce > is already ported, for example), and you could remove some prompts roight > there. > > I expect, though, you're looking for a way to feed "run" paramaters to > XWin.exe > > > > 9) Devise a server start method that doesn't launch a ton of DOS prompts > > Difficulty: unknown, might cause more confusion than benefit > > > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue Oct 17 14:38:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:38:00 -0000 Subject: GLIB {WAS} Re: glib compilation pb References: <39EC7BAE.DCFCC572@hughesrae.co.uk> Message-ID: <041301c03883$042bbb60$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> Hi, First off a note: please don't send HTML mail to mailing lists. Glib status - The glib gmodule code for cygwin is currently non-functional (note I am just a hobbyist - not an official maintainer). I can drop you a tar of a modified glib that will build under cygwin (bar the gmodule functionality). But without a working gmodule, enlightenment and most of gnome just won't play. There a couple of message from me on the cygwin mailing list if you are interested in picking up the ball and running with it. The issue you are facing at the moment is the WIN32 defined code - you need to change all the #ifdef WIN32 to #if defined (WIN32) && !defined (__CYGWIN__) Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Cedric Bompart To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 3:17 AM Subject: glib compilation pb Hi, I want to install Enlightenment window manager to my cygwin 1.1.4 / xfree 4 and this window manager require the Glib library. So I try to compile Glib 1.2.8 and I get the following errors during the make: make[2]: Entering directory `/cygdrive/d/temp/glib-1.2.8.tar/glib-1.2.8' /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN= g_log_domain_glib -g -O2 -Wall -D_REENTRANT -c gerror.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=g_log_domain_glib -g -O2 -Wal l -D _REENTRANT -c gerror.c -o gerror.o gerror.c: In function `g_on_error_query': gerror.c:102: warning: implicit declaration of function `getpid' gerror.c:115: warning: implicit declaration of function `isatty' gerror.c: In function `g_on_error_stack_trace': gerror.c:164: warning: implicit declaration of function `fork' gerror.c: In function `stack_trace': gerror.c:201: storage size of `tv' isn't known gerror.c:209: warning: implicit declaration of function `pipe' gerror.c:218: warning: implicit declaration of function `close' gerror.c:218: warning: implicit declaration of function `dup' gerror.c:222: warning: implicit declaration of function `execvp' gerror.c:232: warning: implicit declaration of function `bzero' gerror.c:235: warning: implicit declaration of function `write' gerror.c:248: warning: implicit declaration of function `select' gerror.c:254: warning: implicit declaration of function `read' gerror.c:201: warning: unused variable `tv' make[2]: *** [gerror.lo] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/cygdrive/d/temp/glib-1.2.8.tar/glib-1.2.8' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/cygdrive/d/temp/glib-1.2.8.tar/glib-1.2.8' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 Any idea? Thx. Ced. -- Cedric Bompart, Internet Developer, Morse Hughes Rae Tel: 01332 224513 Mobile: 07931 536934 Switchboard: 01332 600110 email: c.bompart@hughesrae.co.uk This email and any attachments are confidential and are intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete it from your system. From cgf@cygnus.com Tue Oct 17 15:45:00 2000 From: cgf@cygnus.com (Chris Faylor) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:45:00 -0000 Subject: GLIB {WAS} Re: glib compilation pb References: <39EC7BAE.DCFCC572@hughesrae.co.uk> <041301c03883$042bbb60$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20001017184526.A13039@cygnus.com> On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 08:41:30AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: >First off a note: please don't send HTML mail to mailing lists. I've blocked future HTML transmissions to this list. ...although, I just noticed recently that one managed to slip by in the cygwin mailing list, so the blockage is not perfect. cgf From jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca Wed Oct 18 08:15:00 2000 From: jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca (Sylvan Katz) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:15:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A739@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <002501c03916$15a8ed70$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> Harold: Sorry for the delay - academic business :-) > One more thing: do you have any programs running that might use Direct Input > to acquire the keyboard? Try shutting down all non-system applications, > then try to launch Cygwin/XFree86. I would shut down any applications in I can not find anything that might be using Direct Input. I tried shutting everything down in Startup as you suggested but this did not cure the problem. I did not play with the registery as I am do not feel competent to poke around in it and the NT machines are my production machines. I prefer to leave them alone since it took some work to get them into a stable production configuration. > You might first want to try installing a normal keyboard (not just a normal > driver), just to see if that works or not. I will give this a try and get back to you Sylvan Sylvan Katz Saskatoon, Sask VE5ZX & G0TZX From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Wed Oct 18 09:39:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:39:00 -0000 Subject: PLEASE can anyone help? Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A747@ENTERPRISE> Sylvan, You may want to hold off on further investigation as I'm having pretty good luck with yanking out the Direct Input keyboard logic and replacing it with standard Windows keyboard access. The problem with Direct Input is that we have to gain exclusive access to the keyboard, the keyboard has to have a Direct Input capable driver, and keyboard settings from the control panel are ignored (key mappings, etc.); processing keyboard input without Direct Input eliminates all of these problems. I'm only going to modify the xf_dx.dll code in my first implementation of the new keyboard logic, later on I will modify the XWin.exe code to eliminate some duplicate key code translations. I'll keep you posted, Harold -----Original Message----- From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:14 AM To: Harold Hunt; cygwin-xfree Subject: Re: PLEASE can anyone help? Harold: Sorry for the delay - academic business :-) > One more thing: do you have any programs running that might use Direct Input > to acquire the keyboard? Try shutting down all non-system applications, > then try to launch Cygwin/XFree86. I would shut down any applications in I can not find anything that might be using Direct Input. I tried shutting everything down in Startup as you suggested but this did not cure the problem. I did not play with the registery as I am do not feel competent to poke around in it and the NT machines are my production machines. I prefer to leave them alone since it took some work to get them into a stable production configuration. > You might first want to try installing a normal keyboard (not just a normal > driver), just to see if that works or not. I will give this a try and get back to you Sylvan Sylvan Katz Saskatoon, Sask VE5ZX & G0TZX From Juergen.Simonsen@dag.de Thu Oct 19 00:32:00 2000 From: Juergen.Simonsen@dag.de (Jürgen Simonsen) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:32:00 -0000 Subject: Problems changing between MS-Windows and XFree-Windows Message-ID: <39EEA388.76E18347@hamburg.dag.de> Hello all, I'm using Cygnus XFree with WinNT SP 6a. When I start XWindows and change to another window and back to XWindows the Xterminals seems to get some random input and does'nt accept input any more. The only way to end this is to shut down XWindows with ALT-F4. Is there a way to change to MS-Windows and back to X-Windows without this behavior? Thanks for answers J????rgen Simonsen juergen.simonsen@dag.de From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 19 04:01:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:01:00 -0000 Subject: Problems changing between MS-Windows and XFree-Windows References: <39EEA388.76E18347@hamburg.dag.de> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515D2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> It is a bug. I will be fixed in future releases. I am working on it. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: J????rgen Simonsen [ mailto:Juergen.Simonsen@dag.de ] > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:32 AM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Problems changing between MS-Windows and XFree-Windows > > > Hello all, > > I'm using Cygnus XFree with WinNT SP 6a. When I start > XWindows and change > to another window and back to XWindows the Xterminals seems > to get some > random input and does'nt accept input any more. The only way > to end this > is to shut down XWindows with ALT-F4. Is there a way to > change to MS-Windows > and back to X-Windows without this behavior? > > Thanks for answers > J????rgen Simonsen > juergen.simonsen@dag.de > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu Oct 19 04:02:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:02:00 -0000 Subject: Problems changing between MS-Windows and XFree-Windows References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515D2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c039bc$8f04b860$f7c723cb@lifelesswks> As a workaround, try pressing and releasing ALT Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: "Cygx (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:49 PM Subject: RE: Problems changing between MS-Windows and XFree-Windows > It is a bug. I will be fixed in future releases. I am working on it. > > Suhaib > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: J????rgen Simonsen [ mailto:Juergen.Simonsen@dag.de ] > > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:32 AM > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > Subject: Problems changing between MS-Windows and XFree-Windows > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > I'm using Cygnus XFree with WinNT SP 6a. When I start > > XWindows and change > > to another window and back to XWindows the Xterminals seems > > to get some > > random input and does'nt accept input any more. The only way > > to end this > > is to shut down XWindows with ALT-F4. Is there a way to > > change to MS-Windows > > and back to X-Windows without this behavior? > > > > Thanks for answers > > J????rgen Simonsen > > juergen.simonsen@dag.de > > > > From jz2k@yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 07:51:00 2000 From: jz2k@yahoo.com (jun zhang) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:51:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin1.dll cannot be found Message-ID: <20001019145111.8147.qmail@web2101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi I followed the instructions from, http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/docs/howto/book1.htm to download and install Cygwin and Cygwin/XFree on Windows NT. However, when I tried to run starxwin.bat, I got the following prompt: The dynamic link library cygwin1.dll could not be found in the specified path ..... I searched my hard drive and couldn't find cygwin1.dll. What went wrong? Thanks. jz2k I searched the ===== Jun Zhang PhD Candidate Manufacturing and Operations Management GSIA, Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 (412)268-5798(o), (412)362-8695(h) (732)332-5937(o)(for 05/17/99-August,99) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Thu Oct 19 08:02:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:02:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin1.dll cannot be found Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A753@ENTERPRISE> Jun, You should have cygwin1.dll in %cygwin_install_path%\bin. Unless Cygwin has decided to rename their primary DLL, which I kind of doubt... Does your bash shell work? Can you run any of the included GNU programs in the shell? Harold P.S. I'm a former CMU student, so, how is the place these days? -----Original Message----- From: jun zhang [ mailto:jz2k@yahoo.com ] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:51 AM To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Subject: cygwin1.dll cannot be found Hi I followed the instructions from, http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/docs/howto/book1.htm to download and install Cygwin and Cygwin/XFree on Windows NT. However, when I tried to run starxwin.bat, I got the following prompt: The dynamic link library cygwin1.dll could not be found in the specified path ..... I searched my hard drive and couldn't find cygwin1.dll. What went wrong? Thanks. jz2k I searched the ===== Jun Zhang PhD Candidate Manufacturing and Operations Management GSIA, Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 (412)268-5798(o), (412)362-8695(h) (732)332-5937(o)(for 05/17/99-August,99) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 19 09:29:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:29:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin1.dll cannot be found References: <20001019145111.8147.qmail@web2101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515D8@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Please read installation instructions from Cygwin/Xfree86 URL. Cygwin dll will not install itself out of the blue if you do not install Cygwin > -----Original Message----- > From: jun zhang [ mailto:jz2k@yahoo.com ] > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:51 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: cygwin1.dll cannot be found > > > Hi > I followed the instructions from, > http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/docs/howto/book1.htm > to download and install Cygwin and Cygwin/XFree on > Windows NT. However, when I tried to run starxwin.bat, > I got the following prompt: > > The dynamic link library cygwin1.dll could not be > found in the specified path ..... > > I searched my hard drive and couldn't find > cygwin1.dll. What went wrong? > > Thanks. > > jz2k > > > I searched the > > ===== > Jun Zhang > PhD Candidate > Manufacturing and Operations Management > GSIA, Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > (412)268-5798(o), (412)362-8695(h) > (732)332-5937(o)(for 05/17/99-August,99) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From lebarre@us.ibm.com Thu Oct 19 09:36:00 2000 From: lebarre@us.ibm.com (lebarre@us.ibm.com) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:36:00 -0000 Subject: reply-to Message-ID: <8525697D.005B23C2.00@D51MTA08.pok.ibm.com> As an aside; is it possible to have the mail list server fill in the "reply-to" field on messages with the mail list address? Right now a basic reply here gets sent *only* to the original sender, rather than the list as a whole. James E. LaBarre (914) 784-5653 tieline-863-5653 ... the gentle sound of crashing software ... From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Thu Oct 19 14:42:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:42:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin1.dll cannot be found Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A758@ENTERPRISE> He wrote me that he figured it out and it works for him now. Harold -----Original Message----- From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:29 PM To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Subject: RE: cygwin1.dll cannot be found Please read installation instructions from Cygwin/Xfree86 URL. Cygwin dll will not install itself out of the blue if you do not install Cygwin > -----Original Message----- > From: jun zhang [ mailto:jz2k@yahoo.com ] > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:51 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: cygwin1.dll cannot be found > > > Hi > I followed the instructions from, > http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/docs/howto/book1.htm > to download and install Cygwin and Cygwin/XFree on > Windows NT. However, when I tried to run starxwin.bat, > I got the following prompt: > > The dynamic link library cygwin1.dll could not be > found in the specified path ..... > > I searched my hard drive and couldn't find > cygwin1.dll. What went wrong? > > Thanks. > > jz2k > > > I searched the > > ===== > Jun Zhang > PhD Candidate > Manufacturing and Operations Management > GSIA, Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > (412)268-5798(o), (412)362-8695(h) > (732)332-5937(o)(for 05/17/99-August,99) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From J.deVroede@Getronics.com Fri Oct 20 08:12:00 2000 From: J.deVroede@Getronics.com (Vroede, Jeroen de) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:12:00 -0000 Subject: ERROR Message-ID: <0FAE0748C40ED411A99E0090279D0371F7A9A8@astra.kh.getronics.nl> I installed the Cygwin program on my NT 4 machine and after that i installed the xfree program. when i start it i get the following error: ERROR Direct Draw Init Failed Error = 88760078(unknown error) hope you can help me here!!! kind regards, Jeroen de Vroede Helpdesk Engineer Getronics Business Information Security Energieweg 1 P.O. Box 5080 2600 GB DELFT Tel: +31 (0) 15 260 9882 Fax: +31 (0) 15 262 4916 E-mail: J.devroede@getronics.com From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Fri Oct 20 08:15:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:15:00 -0000 Subject: ERROR Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A75E@ENTERPRISE> Change your startxwin.bat file to have the following line: start xwin.exe -screen 0 800x600x8 Xwin defaults to 1280x1024x16 and the -screen 8 setting in the default batch file is ignored. Please reply to the list if this works, Harold -----Original Message----- From: Vroede, Jeroen de [ mailto:J.deVroede@Getronics.com ] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:15 AM To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' Subject: ERROR I installed the Cygwin program on my NT 4 machine and after that i installed the xfree program. when i start it i get the following error: ERROR Direct Draw Init Failed Error = 88760078(unknown error) hope you can help me here!!! kind regards, Jeroen de Vroede Helpdesk Engineer Getronics Business Information Security Energieweg 1 P.O. Box 5080 2600 GB DELFT Tel: +31 (0) 15 260 9882 Fax: +31 (0) 15 262 4916 E-mail: J.devroede@getronics.com From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Fri Oct 20 08:20:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:20:00 -0000 Subject: FW: ERROR Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A75F@ENTERPRISE> this works perfectly!!! THANX!! Greetz, jeroen -----Original Message----- From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 5:11 PM To: Vroede, Jeroen de; Cygx (E-mail) Subject: RE: ERROR Change your startxwin.bat file to have the following line: start xwin.exe -screen 0 800x600x8 Xwin defaults to 1280x1024x16 and the -screen 8 setting in the default batch file is ignored. Please reply to the list if this works, Harold -----Original Message----- From: Vroede, Jeroen de [ mailto:J.deVroede@Getronics.com ] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:15 AM To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' Subject: ERROR I installed the Cygwin program on my NT 4 machine and after that i installed the xfree program. when i start it i get the following error: ERROR Direct Draw Init Failed Error = 88760078(unknown error) hope you can help me here!!! kind regards, Jeroen de Vroede Helpdesk Engineer Getronics Business Information Security Energieweg 1 P.O. Box 5080 2600 GB DELFT Tel: +31 (0) 15 260 9882 Fax: +31 (0) 15 262 4916 E-mail: J.devroede@getronics.com From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Fri Oct 20 13:05:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:05:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A767@ENTERPRISE> Suhaib, I just pulled a brand new tree from XFree86 and my patch for xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini was not applied, and I can see why. The patch I originally submitted would have freaked out on normal Unix platforms, as make would exit as soon as it couldn't find imake.exe. Here is a new patch that checks for imake.exe and imake within an if elif else structure. I believe that this patch will work on normal Unix platforms, and I have verified that it works on Cygwin. Index: Makefile.ini =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini,v retrieving revision 3.8 diff -r3.8 Makefile.ini 43,44c43 < @if [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; else exit 0; fi < @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe bootstrap; else exit 0; fi --- > @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe bootstrap; elif [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; else exit 0; fi Harold -----Original Message----- From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:47 AM To: 'ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com'; Cygx (E-mail) Subject: [PATCH] xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini Suhaib, I was wondering if you forwarded this patch on to the XFree86 people, or if you could point me in the right direction to send it myself. The patch is needed because Cygwin, by design, returns true to a search for file 'imake' when a file named 'imake.exe' exists, even though a file named 'imake' does not exist. Applying this patch fixes the build bustage when the bootstrapping steps attempt to move file 'imake' that does not exist. Harold Index: Makefile.ini =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini,v retrieving revision 3.8 diff -p -3 -r3.8 Makefile.ini *** Makefile.ini 2000/08/26 15:28:32 3.8 --- Makefile.ini 2000/10/02 03:12:29 *************** ccimake: ccimake.c *** 40,47 **** bootstrap: -@if [ -d bootstrap ]; then exit 0; else set -x; mkdir bootstrap; fi $(MV) *.o bootstrap - @if [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; else exit 0; fi @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe bootstrap; else exit 0; fi relink: $(RM) imake --- 40,47 ---- bootstrap: -@if [ -d bootstrap ]; then exit 0; else set -x; mkdir bootstrap; fi $(MV) *.o bootstrap @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe bootstrap; else exit 0; fi + @if [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; else exit 0; fi relink: $(RM) imake From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri Oct 20 14:35:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:35:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A767@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515EA@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Harold, I am not sure they will accept patches in bit and pieces. I will need all of your patches at once, so i could apply them to the xfree86 tree, test then submit to xfree86 for approval. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 4:01 PM > To: 'ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com'; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [PATCH] xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini > > > Suhaib, > > I just pulled a brand new tree from XFree86 and my patch for > xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini was not applied, and I can see > why. The patch > I originally submitted would have freaked out on normal Unix > platforms, as > make would exit as soon as it couldn't find imake.exe. Here > is a new patch > that checks for imake.exe and imake within an if elif else > structure. I > believe that this patch will work on normal Unix platforms, and I have > verified that it works on Cygwin. > > Index: Makefile.ini > =================================================================== > RCS file: /cvs/xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini,v > retrieving revision 3.8 > diff -r3.8 Makefile.ini > 43,44c43 > < @if [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; > else exit 0; > fi > < @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe > bootstrap; else > exit > 0; fi > --- > > @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe > bootstrap; elif [ > -f > imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; else exit 0; fi > > Harold > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:47 AM > To: 'ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com'; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: [PATCH] xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini > > > Suhaib, > I was wondering if you forwarded this patch on to the XFree86 > people, or if > you could point me in the right direction to send it myself. > The patch is needed because Cygwin, by design, returns true > to a search for > file 'imake' when a file named 'imake.exe' exists, even > though a file named > 'imake' does not exist. Applying this patch fixes the build > bustage when > the bootstrapping steps attempt to move file 'imake' that > does not exist. > Harold > > Index: Makefile.ini > =================================================================== > RCS file: /cvs/xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini,v > retrieving revision 3.8 > diff -p -3 -r3.8 Makefile.ini > *** Makefile.ini 2000/08/26 15:28:32 3.8 > --- Makefile.ini 2000/10/02 03:12:29 > *************** ccimake: ccimake.c > *** 40,47 **** > bootstrap: > -@if [ -d bootstrap ]; then exit 0; else set -x; > mkdir bootstrap; fi > $(MV) *.o bootstrap > - @if [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; > else exit 0; > fi > @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe > bootstrap; else > exit 0; fi > > relink: > $(RM) imake > --- 40,47 ---- > bootstrap: > -@if [ -d bootstrap ]; then exit 0; else set -x; > mkdir bootstrap; fi > $(MV) *.o bootstrap > @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe > bootstrap; else > exit 0; fi > + @if [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; > else exit 0; > fi > > relink: > $(RM) imake > From awong@scea.com Fri Oct 20 18:12:00 2000 From: awong@scea.com (Alan Wong) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:12:00 -0000 Subject: technical questions about X11 in Cygwin Message-ID: <4.1.20001020181437.00a0c610@pop.989studios.com> Hi, my name is Alan and I have a technical question concerning the use of the X11 stuff in /cygwin/usr/include/X11. If you aren't the person to ask, could you please direct me to the right email address and/or forward this email to him/her? Anyways, I'm trying to port some old code I had from Unix to Windows and my old code used X11 stuff, so I was able to include that fine with your cygwin implementation of the X11 stuff, i.e. . However, my old code also called things like "XFlush", which I notice is externally defined in , and of course I get a linker error for unresolved external symbols for all these externally defined functions. What do I do and what do I need to get to fix these linker errors for windows? My old code also used to include and , but they aren't available in your implementation, and I'm unsure of if this has anything to do with the problem. Thanks. Your help will be remembered. -Alan Wong - Software Engineer Sony Computer Entertainment America, RTIME Division 10075 Barnes Canyon Road San Diego, CA 92121-2723 (858) 824-5883 (858) 824-5878 - FAX From murao@al.cs.kobe-u.ac.jp Fri Oct 20 20:30:00 2000 From: murao@al.cs.kobe-u.ac.jp (Hajime Murao) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:30:00 -0000 Subject: technical questions about X11 in Cygwin References: <4.1.20001020181437.00a0c610@pop.989studios.com> Message-ID: <39F10DE11F5.82ABMURAO@mail.portnet.ne.jp> Hi, Alan, Everything related to X11 is contained under the directory /usr/X11R6 now. Both of Xlibint.h and Xos.h are available in the directory /usr/X11R6/include/X11. You can let the compiler know the include directory usually by adding -I/usr/X11R6/include option. libX11.a which contains XFlush and other fundamental functions is also located in /usr/X11R6/lib. You probably need to check your Makefile. Hajime, Kobe, Japan On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:15:31 -0700 Alan Wong wrote: > > Hi, my name is Alan and I have a technical question concerning the use of > the X11 stuff in /cygwin/usr/include/X11. > If you aren't the person to ask, could you please direct me to the right email > address and/or forward this email to him/her? > > Anyways, I'm trying to port some old code I had from Unix to Windows and > my old code used X11 stuff, so I was able to include that fine with your cygwin > implementation of the X11 stuff, i.e. . > > However, my old code also called things like "XFlush", which I notice is > externally > defined in , and of course I get a linker error for unresolved > external > symbols for all these externally defined functions. > What do I do and what do I need to get to fix these linker errors for windows? > > My old code also used to include and , but they > aren't > available in your implementation, and I'm unsure of if this has anything to > do with the problem. > > Thanks. Your help will be remembered. > > > -Alan Wong - Software Engineer > Sony Computer Entertainment America, RTIME Division > 10075 Barnes Canyon Road > San Diego, CA 92121-2723 > (858) 824-5883 > (858) 824-5878 - FAX > ---------- Hajime MURAO, Kobe University A professional? No, I am not professional. I am an amateur. "Amateur" comes from the latin "amare":to love. If you do not love what you do, you do not deserve to do it. --- Orson Welles From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sat Oct 21 06:14:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 06:14:00 -0000 Subject: technical questions about X11 in Cygwin Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515EC@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Delete /cygwin/usr/include/X11 That should not be there. Cygwin tcl/tk installs it and it is from X11R5. Cygwin folks should consider not including it, it breaks X11R6 development environment, and creates a lot of confusions. Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Alan Wong To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Sent: 10/20/2000 9:15 PM Subject: technical questions about X11 in Cygwin Hi, my name is Alan and I have a technical question concerning the use of the X11 stuff in /cygwin/usr/include/X11. If you aren't the person to ask, could you please direct me to the right email address and/or forward this email to him/her? Anyways, I'm trying to port some old code I had from Unix to Windows and my old code used X11 stuff, so I was able to include that fine with your cygwin implementation of the X11 stuff, i.e. . However, my old code also called things like "XFlush", which I notice is externally defined in , and of course I get a linker error for unresolved external symbols for all these externally defined functions. What do I do and what do I need to get to fix these linker errors for windows? My old code also used to include and , but they aren't available in your implementation, and I'm unsure of if this has anything to do with the problem. Thanks. Your help will be remembered. -Alan Wong - Software Engineer Sony Computer Entertainment America, RTIME Division 10075 Barnes Canyon Road San Diego, CA 92121-2723 (858) 824-5883 (858) 824-5878 - FAX From krburmeister@hotmail.com Sat Oct 21 07:54:00 2000 From: krburmeister@hotmail.com (Karen) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:54:00 -0000 Subject: Hey! Message-ID: <649465257538438b3ddd304aee3fbe9a@NO-ID-FOUND.mhonarc.org> Dear Friend, Thanks for your time and interest, this e-mail contains the ENTIRE PLAN of how YOU can earn a whole lot of money in the next 90-120 days by simply sending e-mail! Seem impossible? Just read on and see how easy it really is. . . This really works! Have the faith, don't miss this opportunity, get involved also and it will work for you as it does for us!!! 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REPORT #1 "The Insider????s Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Karen Burmeister PO Box 520049 Longwood, FL 32752-0049 REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Richard A. Endicott W 180 Insels Rd. Shelton, Wa 98584 REPORT# 3 " The secrets of Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: JIM G. BURGESS 14830 OLDE HWY.80 FLINN SPRINGS, CA 92021-2807 REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Lars Pedersen Skejbygaardsvej 7, 1, 10 8240 Risskov Denmark **********TIPS FOR SUCCESS ********** TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because, when you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. 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From nathan_kendall@hotmail.com Sat Oct 21 14:27:00 2000 From: nathan_kendall@hotmail.com (Nathan Kendall) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:27:00 -0000 Subject: Don't want no junk mail Message-ID: I thought this mailing list was for cygwin-xfree, not junk mail? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Sat Oct 21 16:12:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:12:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] All patches needed to make XFree86 source tree build on Cygwin Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A769@ENTERPRISE> Suhaib, These are the only patches that need to be made to the XFree86 source tree to fix compilation on Cygwin. The first patch removes a #include for a header that doesn't exist. The second patch removes the ntux_xf files from the XWin.exe build. The third patch makes a few changes to the Xserver Imakefile to actually build XWin; the XWin directory wasn't being included in the list of directories to build, and more references to ntux_xf were removed. The fourth patch makes sure that make doesn't bomb when it tries to move imake. Index: glheader.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/xc/extras/Mesa/src/glheader.h,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -r1.9 glheader.h 162c162 < #include --- > /*#include */ Index: Imakefile =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xwin/Imakefile,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -r1.1 Imakefile 21c21 < SRCSA = InitInput.c InitOutput.c stubs.c miinitext.c directx.c ntux_xf.c --- > SRCSA = InitInput.c InitOutput.c stubs.c miinitext.c directx.c 23c23 < OBJSA = InitInput.o InitOutput.o stubs.o miinitext.o directx.o ntux_xf.o --- > OBJSA = InitInput.o InitOutput.o stubs.o miinitext.o directx.o Index: Imakefile =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/xc/programs/Xserver/Imakefile,v retrieving revision 3.197 diff -r3.197 Imakefile 1069c1069 < #if XWinServer && !MakeDllModules --- > #if XWinServer 1078d1077 < #ifndef Win32Architecture 1080,1082d1078 < #else < XWINDDXDIR = hw < #endif 1085c1081 < XWINOBJS = hw/xwin/InitInput.o hw/xwin/InitOutput.o hw/xwin/stubs.o hw/xwin/di rectx.o hw/xwin/dpmsstubs.o dix/main.o hw/xwin/ntux_xf.o --- > XWINOBJS = hw/xwin/InitInput.o hw/xwin/InitOutput.o hw/xwin/stubs.o hw/xwin/di rectx.o hw/xwin/dpmsstubs.o dix/main.o 1087c1083 < XWINOBJS = hw/xwin/InitInput.o hw/xwin/InitOutput.o hw/xwin/stubs.o hw/xwin/di rectx.o dix/main.o hw/xwin/ntux_xf.o --- > XWINOBJS = hw/xwin/InitInput.o hw/xwin/InitOutput.o hw/xwin/stubs.o hw/xwin/di rectx.o dix/main.o 1111c1107,1108 < DDXDIRS = $(DDXDIR1) $(DDXDIR2) $(DDXDIR3) $(XVFBDDXDIR) $(XNESTDDXDIR) --- > DDXDIRS = $(DDXDIR1) $(DDXDIR2) $(DDXDIR3) $(XVFBDDXDIR) $(XNESTDDXDIR) \ > $(XWINDDXDIR) Index: Makefile.ini =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/xc/config/imake/Makefile.ini,v retrieving revision 3.8 diff -r3.8 Makefile.ini 43,44c43 < @if [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; else exit 0; fi < @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe bootstrap; else exit 0; fi --- > @if [ -f imake.exe ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake.exe bootstrap; elif [ -f imake ]; then set -x; $(MV) imake bootstrap; else exit 0; fi Harold From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Sun Oct 22 17:10:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:10:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display status update Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A76B@ENTERPRISE> Today I finished my first round of key mappings for the Windows virtual key codes to the codes that X uses. These new key mappings are needed to replace the DirectInput keyboard code with standard keyboard input code. I have built and tested the key mappings, and I've got everything working (on a US keyboard) except the NumLock key. The display code hasn't moved much; I'm still at the point where I display the overlay for the X window screen within a Windows window, but I have to do a little more math on positioning the window so that video card alignment and size restrictions for overlays are met. I have not started on replacing the DirectInput mouse code with standard mouse input functions. I'm not sure if this would be worth it for an intial test release on Win9X, as I haven't really seen anyone reporting problems with DirectInput acquiring the mouse (though lots of people have had problems acquiring the keyboard). Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 22 17:29:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:29:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display status update Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C21515F2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Great! Can DirectInput not get keyboard and mouse settings from Windows Control Panel and use whatever was set in COntrol pabel? Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Harold Hunt To: Cygx (E-mail) Sent: 10/22/2000 8:05 PM Subject: Input and Display status update Today I finished my first round of key mappings for the Windows virtual key codes to the codes that X uses. These new key mappings are needed to replace the DirectInput keyboard code with standard keyboard input code. I have built and tested the key mappings, and I've got everything working (on a US keyboard) except the NumLock key. The display code hasn't moved much; I'm still at the point where I display the overlay for the X window screen within a Windows window, but I have to do a little more math on positioning the window so that video card alignment and size restrictions for overlays are met. I have not started on replacing the DirectInput mouse code with standard mouse input functions. I'm not sure if this would be worth it for an intial test release on Win9X, as I haven't really seen anyone reporting problems with DirectInput acquiring the mouse (though lots of people have had problems acquiring the keyboard). Harold From j.j.ita@siep.shell.com Mon Oct 23 00:49:00 2000 From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com (j.j.ita@siep.shell.com) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:49:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display status update Message-ID: BDY.RTF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BDY.RTF Type: text/rtf Size: 1993 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Mon Oct 23 05:48:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 05:48:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display status update Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A76C@ENTERPRISE> >From the MS Platform SDK documentation: DirectInput ... ignores mouse and keyboard settings made by the user in Control Panel. For the keyboard, character repeat settings are not used by DirectInput. When using buffered data, DirectInput interprets each press and release as a single event, with no repetition. For the mouse, DirectInput ignores Control Panel settings such as acceleration and swapped buttons. I have also seen in the Platform SDK that DirectInput ignores key re-mappings that the user has made in the Control Panel. However, the biggest problem with DirectInput is that it is tied directly to the keyboard scan codes, which can very widely between locales, whereas the virtual key codes are the same in every locale. Using standard mouse input should allow the mouse cursor to smoothly cross into and out of the X server window when not running in full screen mode. Also, there should no longer be any problems with acquiring the mouse. However, using an overlay for the X server requires that I make the X window blank when the X server loses the focus in Windows, so the ability to move the mouse into and out of the X server window isn't very beneficial. Harold From jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca Mon Oct 23 18:11:00 2000 From: jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca (Sylvan Katz) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:11:00 -0000 Subject: MicroImages MI/X NT install References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A747@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <05cf01c03d57$58f2cc50$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> I was considering using the Microimages MI/X product as an X server on my NT machine to provide X windows access to my RedHat Linux 6.2 box until the Cygwin keyboard interface is more stable. However, I ran into a problem with the MI/X product installing properly under NT 4.0 service pack 6.0. Now I can not seem to be able to get rid of it using NT control panel -> add/remove. Has anyone else encountered a similar or other problems with the MicroImages MI/X product? -- Sylvan Katz Saskatoon, Sask ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Hunt To: 'Sylvan Katz' ; cygwin-xfree Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:35 AM Subject: RE: PLEASE can anyone help? > Sylvan, > > You may want to hold off on further investigation as I'm having pretty good > luck with yanking out the Direct Input keyboard logic and replacing it with > standard Windows keyboard access. The problem with Direct Input is that we > have to gain exclusive access to the keyboard, the keyboard has to have a > Direct Input capable driver, and keyboard settings from the control panel > are ignored (key mappings, etc.); processing keyboard input without Direct > Input eliminates all of these problems. > > I'm only going to modify the xf_dx.dll code in my first implementation of > the new keyboard logic, later on I will modify the XWin.exe code to > eliminate some duplicate key code translations. > > I'll keep you posted, > > Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:14 AM > To: Harold Hunt; cygwin-xfree > Subject: Re: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > Harold: > > Sorry for the delay - academic business :-) > > > One more thing: do you have any programs running that might use Direct > Input > > to acquire the keyboard? Try shutting down all non-system applications, > > then try to launch Cygwin/XFree86. I would shut down any applications in > > I can not find anything that might be using Direct Input. I tried shutting > everything down in Startup as you suggested but this did not cure the > problem. I did not play with the registery as I am do not feel competent to > poke around in it and the NT machines are my production machines. I prefer > to leave them alone since it took some work to get them into a stable > production configuration. > > > You might first want to try installing a normal keyboard (not just a > normal > > driver), just to see if that works or not. > > I will give this a try and get back to you > > Sylvan > > Sylvan Katz > Saskatoon, Sask > VE5ZX & G0TZX > From cgf@redhat.com Mon Oct 23 19:10:00 2000 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:10:00 -0000 Subject: MicroImages MI/X NT install References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A747@ENTERPRISE> <05cf01c03d57$58f2cc50$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20001023221030.A25072@redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 07:11:32PM -0600, Sylvan Katz wrote: >I was considering using the Microimages MI/X product as an X server on >my NT machine to provide X windows access to my RedHat Linux 6.2 box >until the Cygwin keyboard interface is more stable. However, I ran >into a problem with the MI/X product installing properly under NT 4.0 >service pack 6.0. Now I can not seem to be able to get rid of it using >NT control panel -> add/remove. > >Has anyone else encountered a similar or other problems with the >MicroImages MI/X product? Bzzzzttt. This is off-topic for this mailing list. Surely Microimages has some kind of mailing list or something devoted to their product. You should really check with them. cgf From jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca Mon Oct 23 19:26:00 2000 From: jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca (Sylvan Katz) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:26:00 -0000 Subject: MicroImages MI/X NT install References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A747@ENTERPRISE> <05cf01c03d57$58f2cc50$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> <20001023221030.A25072@redhat.com> Message-ID: <05fc01c03d61$be3dff30$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> Christopher > Bzzzzttt. This is off-topic for this mailing list. I think it might be right on topic. Let me quote directly from "The Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ" of September 11, 2000: **** Begin Quote ****** 2.1 Which X-server should I use? I tried MI/X and my X application crashed. With the merger of the experimental Cygwin based servers into the XFree86 4 soure tree, you should use the XFree86 X-Server. Of course you can use a commercial X-Server such as eXceed if you wish. If you last tried cygwin XFree86 before July 2000, then the following may be of interest: MI/X is an stdin/stdout type X-server, which uses X11R5 libraries. Most of the modern X applications need X11R6 libraries; therefore there is a capability issue.MI/X also cannot do multi-windowing. Almost 99% of X applications require an X-server with at least multi-windowing capability. Therefore, executing a multi-windowing X application on MI/X will definitely crash. ********* End Quote ************* > Surely Microimages has some kind of mailing list or something devoted > to their product. You should really check with them. No they don't and from a telecom with their President, Dr Lee Miller, they do not appear to want to support MI/X for this type of problem. Sylvan Katz Saskatoon, Sask From cgf@redhat.com Mon Oct 23 19:38:00 2000 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:38:00 -0000 Subject: MicroImages MI/X NT install References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A747@ENTERPRISE> <05cf01c03d57$58f2cc50$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> <20001023221030.A25072@redhat.com> <05fc01c03d61$be3dff30$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20001023223847.A25338@redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 08:25:57PM -0600, Sylvan Katz wrote: >> Bzzzzttt. This is off-topic for this mailing list. > >I think it might be right on topic. Let me quote directly from "The >Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ" of September 11, 2000: > >**** Begin Quote ****** >2.1 Which X-server should I use? I tried MI/X and my X application crashed. > >With the merger of the experimental Cygwin based servers into the >XFree86 4 soure tree, you should use the XFree86 X-Server. Of course >you can use a commercial X-Server such as eXceed if you wish. If you >last tried cygwin XFree86 before July 2000, then the following may be >of interest: MI/X is an stdin/stdout type X-server, which uses X11R5 >libraries. Most of the modern X applications need X11R6 libraries; >therefore there is a capability issue.MI/X also cannot do >multi-windowing. Almost 99% of X applications require an X-server with >at least multi-windowing capability. Therefore, executing a >multi-windowing X application on MI/X will definitely crash. >********* End Quote ************* So mention of a product in a FAQ means that you may get technical support for said product in the mailing list? I don't think so. In any event, the decision is not yours to make. It's mine (and Suhaib's). This is off-topic. Hopefully we have now given adequate exposure to your problem and anyone who is able to help you will send you private email. >>Surely Microimages has some kind of mailing list or something devoted >>to their product. You should really check with them. > >No they don't and from a telecom with their President, Dr Lee Miller, >they do not appear to want to support MI/X for this type of problem. That's a shame. Then, I suggest that you pursue other avenues of exploration like dejanews, web searches or egroups.com searches. cgf From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 24 03:46:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 03:46:00 -0000 Subject: MicroImages MI/X NT install References: <05cf01c03d57$58f2cc50$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151603@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > I was considering using the Microimages MI/X product as an X > server on my NT machine to provide X windows access to my > RedHat Linux 6.2 box until the > Cygwin keyboard interface is more stable. However, I ran into > a problem with the MI/X product installing properly under NT > 4.0 service pack 6.0. Now I can not seem to be able to get > rid of it using NT control panel -> add/remove. > > Has anyone else encountered a similar or other problems with > the MicroImages MI/X product? Out-of-topic here. Please contact MicroImage for it. Suhaib > > -- > Sylvan Katz > Saskatoon, Sask > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Harold Hunt > To: 'Sylvan Katz' ; cygwin-xfree > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:35 AM > Subject: RE: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > > Sylvan, > > > > You may want to hold off on further investigation as I'm > having pretty good > > luck with yanking out the Direct Input keyboard logic and > replacing it with > > standard Windows keyboard access. The problem with Direct > Input is that we > > have to gain exclusive access to the keyboard, the keyboard > has to have a > > Direct Input capable driver, and keyboard settings from the > control panel > > are ignored (key mappings, etc.); processing keyboard input > without Direct > > Input eliminates all of these problems. > > > > I'm only going to modify the xf_dx.dll code in my first > implementation of > > the new keyboard logic, later on I will modify the XWin.exe code to > > eliminate some duplicate key code translations. > > > > I'll keep you posted, > > > > Harold > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sylvan Katz [ mailto:jskatz@sk.sympatico.ca ] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:14 AM > > To: Harold Hunt; cygwin-xfree > > Subject: Re: PLEASE can anyone help? > > > > > > Harold: > > > > Sorry for the delay - academic business :-) > > > > > One more thing: do you have any programs running that > might use Direct > > Input > > > to acquire the keyboard? Try shutting down all > non-system applications, > > > then try to launch Cygwin/XFree86. I would shut down any > applications in > > > > I can not find anything that might be using Direct Input. I > tried shutting > > everything down in Startup as you suggested but this did > not cure the > > problem. I did not play with the registery as I am do not > feel competent to > > poke around in it and the NT machines are my production > machines. I prefer > > to leave them alone since it took some work to get them > into a stable > > production configuration. > > > > > You might first want to try installing a normal keyboard > (not just a > > normal > > > driver), just to see if that works or not. > > > > I will give this a try and get back to you > > > > Sylvan > > > > Sylvan Katz > > Saskatoon, Sask > > VE5ZX & G0TZX > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 24 03:49:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 03:49:00 -0000 Subject: MicroImages MI/X NT install References: <05fc01c03d61$be3dff30$0200a8c0@sk.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151604@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > Christopher > > > Bzzzzttt. This is off-topic for this mailing list. > > I think it might be right on topic. Let me quote directly > from "The Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ" of September 11, 2000: > > **** Begin Quote ****** > 2.1 Which X-server should I use? I tried MI/X and my X > application crashed. > > With the merger of the experimental Cygwin based servers into > the XFree86 4 soure tree, you should use the XFree86 > X-Server. Of course you can use a commercial X-Server such as > eXceed if you wish. If you last tried cygwin XFree86 before > July 2000, then the following may be of interest: MI/X is an > stdin/stdout type X-server, which uses X11R5 libraries. Most > of the modern X applications need X11R6 libraries; therefore > there is a capability issue.MI/X also cannot do > multi-windowing. Almost 99% of X applications require an > X-server with at least multi-windowing capability. Therefore, > executing a multi-windowing X application on MI/X will > definitely crash. > ********* End Quote ************* Please do not take quotes of the context. MI/X is a crap that is what quote is saying in a polite words. We do not support MI/X. It is not our product and we have no intentions to answer MI/X related querries. > > > Surely Microimages has some kind of mailing list or > something devoted > > to their product. You should really check with them. > > No they don't and from a telecom with their President, Dr Lee > Miller, they do not appear to want to support MI/X for this > type of problem. Then complain to them please... Suhaib > > Sylvan Katz > Saskatoon, Sask > > > From mike.davies@epid.eurotherm.co.uk Tue Oct 24 04:08:00 2000 From: mike.davies@epid.eurotherm.co.uk (Mike Davies) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:08:00 -0000 Subject: Error messages and problems with font size Message-ID: <016901c03daa$af19c450$74a57995@epid.eurotherm.co.uk> Hi, I have 2 installations of cygwin-xfree on separate PII machines. Both use the latest network version of cygwin (1.1.4). This first is just a quibble but I think there may be a problem with the supplied startxwin.bat file, shouldn't the path in this file be DOS style paths set to agree with the X11 directory that cygwin-xfree unpacks into ? I have set my paths as follows : SET PATH=%PATH%;c:\unix\bin;c:\unix\usr\X11R6\bin Anyway, on to my problems : Machine 1 has a problem in that I get the following error boxes when I start the server by running the startwin.bat file from explorer : Back Creation failed Error = 887601b3 (unknown error) Direct Draw Init failed Error = 887601b3 (unknown error) This machine uses an STB Systems Powergraph 64 3D (ViRGE) VGA card. On machine 2 I can get the server to start, and I have been able to compile lesstif and get mwm running, so far so good :-) My problem with this machine is that the fonts in the rxvt and xterm shells are extremely small. When I try to change them by changing the line in startxwin.bat to eg : start rxvt -fn "Lucidia Console-14" it doesn't make any difference :-/ Does anyone know how to change the font size in these two programs ? Thanks, Mike From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 24 04:20:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:20:00 -0000 Subject: Error messages and problems with font size References: <016901c03daa$af19c450$74a57995@epid.eurotherm.co.uk> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151606@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > I have 2 installations of cygwin-xfree on separate PII > machines. Both use > the latest network version of cygwin (1.1.4). > > > This first is just a quibble but I think there may be a > problem with the > supplied startxwin.bat file, shouldn't the path in this file > be DOS style > paths set to agree with the X11 directory that cygwin-xfree > unpacks into ? > I have set my paths as follows : > > SET PATH=%PATH%;c:\unix\bin;c:\unix\usr\X11R6\bin Yes BUT PATH=%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\X11R6\bin Is DOS style, example, as no drive letter prefix, it means, search on the same disk, starting from root. It gives a little bit freedom that users would not have to edit drive letter in case they install on a disk other than C:\ > > > > Anyway, on to my problems : > > > Machine 1 has a problem in that I get the following error > boxes when I start > the server by running the startwin.bat file from explorer : > > Back Creation failed > Error = 887601b3 (unknown error) > > Direct Draw Init failed > Error = 887601b3 (unknown error) > > This machine uses an STB Systems Powergraph 64 3D (ViRGE) VGA card. A Search on mail archive will give you the answer... Harold Hunt posted a millions times answer to this problem. I would rather let you search mail archive for this then to repeat Harold fixes. > > > > > > On machine 2 I can get the server to start, and I have been > able to compile > lesstif and get mwm running, so far so good :-) > > My problem with this machine is that the fonts in the rxvt > and xterm shells > are extremely small. When I try to change them by changing > the line in > startxwin.bat to eg : > > start rxvt -fn "Lucidia Console-14" > > it doesn't make any difference :-/ > > Does anyone know how to change the font size in these two programs ? The following would do: xterm -sb -sl 2048 -font 7x13bold Or if you want to use Bash from xterm, use the following command: C:\Cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c "nohup /bin/bash -c ""/bin/bash -c 'xterm -sb -sl 2048 -font 7x13bold -sb -e /bin/tcsh.termcap'&""&" This one is from mail archive too, a couple of time, I and other users posted this. Best way to check available fonts is to cd to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts then do a ls and choose the font you would like to use. Suhaib > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > From mike.davies@epid.eurotherm.co.uk Tue Oct 24 05:20:00 2000 From: mike.davies@epid.eurotherm.co.uk (Mike Davies) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:20:00 -0000 Subject: Error messages and problems with font size References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151606@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <017701c03db4$b1de7e10$74a57995@epid.eurotherm.co.uk> Hi, thanks for annswering > > > > SET PATH=%PATH%;c:\unix\bin;c:\unix\usr\X11R6\bin > > Yes > > BUT > > PATH=%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\X11R6\bin > > Is DOS style, example, as no drive letter prefix, it means, > search on the same disk, starting from root. It gives > a little bit freedom that users would not have to edit drive letter > in case they install on a disk other than C:\ Sorry, I didn't make myself clear, the path in the startxwin.bat file is : SET PATH=%PATH%;\usr\bin\X11 the X11 binary directory is \usr\X11R6\bin. > > A Search on mail archive will give you the answer... Harold Hunt posted > a millions times answer to this problem. I would rather let you search mail > archive > for this then to repeat Harold fixes. Thanks for the pointer, I will search through the archives. > > The following would do: > xterm -sb -sl 2048 -font 7x13bold > > Or if you want to use Bash from xterm, use the following command: > > C:\Cygwin\bin\bash.exe -c "nohup /bin/bash -c ""/bin/bash -c 'xterm -sb -sl > 2048 -font 7x13bold -sb -e /bin/tcsh.termcap'&""&" > > > This one is from mail archive too, a couple of time, I and other > users posted this. > > Best way to check available fonts is to cd to > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts > > then do a > > ls > > and choose the font you would like to use. > > Suhaib thanks a lot, Mike From anibalmorales@hotmail.com Tue Oct 24 06:51:00 2000 From: anibalmorales@hotmail.com (Anibal Morales) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 06:51:00 -0000 Subject: Should I reinstall? Message-ID: Hello list! I see a lot of activity on the mailing list lately. I installed Cygwin/Xfree86 on early July, but stopped using it because: 1- Moved to another task that didn't required X server 2- Xfree86 seemed to have some quirks related to color/font management. My question to you is: Should I re-install now? Are there new features/bug fixes? A.M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 24 06:53:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 06:53:00 -0000 Subject: Should I reinstall? Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A772@ENTERPRISE> No new features or bug fixes yet... but there will be in a few weeks. Harold -----Original Message----- From: Anibal Morales [ mailto:anibalmorales@hotmail.com ] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:51 AM To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Subject: Should I reinstall? Hello list! I see a lot of activity on the mailing list lately. I installed Cygwin/Xfree86 on early July, but stopped using it because: 1- Moved to another task that didn't required X server 2- Xfree86 seemed to have some quirks related to color/font management. My question to you is: Should I re-install now? Are there new features/bug fixes? A.M. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 24 06:53:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 06:53:00 -0000 Subject: Should I reinstall? References: Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151609@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Your choice Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Anibal Morales [ mailto:anibalmorales@hotmail.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:51 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Should I reinstall? > > > Hello list! > > I see a lot of activity on the mailing > list lately. I installed Cygwin/Xfree86 > on early July, but stopped using it because: > 1- Moved to another task that didn't required X server > 2- Xfree86 seemed to have some quirks related to color/font > management. > My question to you is: > Should I re-install now? Are there new features/bug fixes? > > A.M. > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . From j.j.ita@siep.shell.com Tue Oct 24 09:25:00 2000 From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com (j.j.ita@siep.shell.com) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:25:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display status update Message-ID: Harold, I vote for finishing off the display code before dealing with the mouse. As we have seen from the list, some people have DirectX problems (on Windows NT) that the "-screen 0" solution does not fix. I am one of them. I would be interested to see if the code you have implemented provides a workaround to this. If you need a tester, you have your man. Joel Ita j.j.ita@siep.shell.com -----Original Message----- From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:06 AM To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Subject: Input and Display status update Today I finished my first round of key mappings for the Windows virtual key codes to the codes that X uses. These new key mappings are needed to replace the DirectInput keyboard code with standard keyboard input code. I have built and tested the key mappings, and I've got everything working (on a US keyboard) except the NumLock key. The display code hasn't moved much; I'm still at the point where I display the overlay for the X window screen within a Windows window, but I have to do a little more math on positioning the window so that video card alignment and size restrictions for overlays are met. I have not started on replacing the DirectInput mouse code with standard mouse input functions. I'm not sure if this would be worth it for an intial test release on Win9X, as I haven't really seen anyone reporting problems with DirectInput acquiring the mouse (though lots of people have had problems acquiring the keyboard). Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 24 12:34:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:34:00 -0000 Subject: FW: (patch seq: 4193) RE: [PATCH] All patches needed to make XFree86 source tree build on C ygwin Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215160F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Harold Your patches had been submitted to xfree86.org Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-patch@XFree86.Org [ mailto:owner-patch@XFree86.Org ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 3:24 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Subject: Re: (patch seq: 4193) RE: [PATCH] All patches needed to make > XFree86 source tree build on C ygwin > > > --- This is an automatically generated reply --- > > The patch you have submitted to patch@XFree86.org has been > assigned the sequence number 4193. > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 24 13:12:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:12:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display status update Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A773@ENTERPRISE> Thanks for your input and interest in the project, Harold -----Original Message----- From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com [ mailto:j.j.ita@siep.shell.com ] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 11:16 AM To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Subject: RE: Input and Display status update Harold, I vote for finishing off the display code before dealing with the mouse. As we have seen from the list, some people have DirectX problems (on Windows NT) that the "-screen 0" solution does not fix. I am one of them. I would be interested to see if the code you have implemented provides a workaround to this. If you need a tester, you have your man. Joel Ita j.j.ita@siep.shell.com -----Original Message----- From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:06 AM To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Subject: Input and Display status update Today I finished my first round of key mappings for the Windows virtual key codes to the codes that X uses. These new key mappings are needed to replace the DirectInput keyboard code with standard keyboard input code. I have built and tested the key mappings, and I've got everything working (on a US keyboard) except the NumLock key. The display code hasn't moved much; I'm still at the point where I display the overlay for the X window screen within a Windows window, but I have to do a little more math on positioning the window so that video card alignment and size restrictions for overlays are met. I have not started on replacing the DirectInput mouse code with standard mouse input functions. I'm not sure if this would be worth it for an intial test release on Win9X, as I haven't really seen anyone reporting problems with DirectInput acquiring the mouse (though lots of people have had problems acquiring the keyboard). Harold From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 24 22:35:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:35:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display Status Update (2) Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A775@ENTERPRISE> I went ahead and rewrote the mouse input routines to use standard Windows mechanisms, rather than DirectInput. The new mouse routines allow the mouse cursor to freely cross into and out of the X server window, as opposed to previously having to press a keyboard combination to switch the X server into the background before the mouse was released. The Num Lock key was giving me some trouble earlier; I figured out that the X server needs to be kept informed of the current state of the Num Lock key when the server starts and when the Num Lock key is toggled while the X server is in the background. My preliminary tests of initializing the Num Lock key state were succesful; I'll finish up that code in a few days. Additionally, other "mode" keys like Caps Lock, Kana Lock, and Scroll Lock will need a similar startup hint and background change notification. Next I'm going to fix the overlay size and alignment restrictions that I inadvertantly violated within the past few days. The fix should be trivial, but the documentation on the restrictions is rather arcane, so the documentation may take me a day to decipher. I'll keep you posted, Harold From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Wed Oct 25 14:04:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:04:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display Status Update (3) Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A77F@ENTERPRISE> The windowed X server now complies with overlay alignment and size restrictions again; this allows operation on video cards that require overlays to be on certain byte boundaries and/or of a certain size multiple. I finished up the code that notifies the X server of the current state of the Num Lock, Caps Lock, Scroll Lock, and Kana Lock keys on startup or on application activation. I'm thinking about working on the following things before I package up a test release: 1) Possible display method that avoids overlays, thus allowing higher resolution display on machines with limited video memory. 2) Using DirectInput for mouse and keyboard input whenever possible, only falling back on standard input methods when DirectInput intialization fails. 3) Allowing the X server window to be moved around the screen 4) Using overlays on Windows 98, primary surface on NT/2000 (might do this later, as a test release for Win9X only would be fine) I'll keep you posted, Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed Oct 25 15:04:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:04:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display Status Update (3) References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A77F@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151618@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Harold; Great! I am looking forward to your changes to xf_dx.dll source code. Keep up the good work! Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 5:00 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Input and Display Status Update (3) > > > The windowed X server now complies with overlay alignment and size > restrictions again; this allows operation on video cards that require > overlays to be on certain byte boundaries and/or of a certain > size multiple. > > I finished up the code that notifies the X server of the > current state of > the Num Lock, Caps Lock, Scroll Lock, and Kana Lock keys on > startup or on > application activation. > > I'm thinking about working on the following things before I > package up a > test release: > 1) Possible display method that avoids overlays, thus allowing higher > resolution display on machines with limited video memory. > 2) Using DirectInput for mouse and keyboard input whenever > possible, only > falling back on standard input methods when DirectInput > intialization fails. > 3) Allowing the X server window to be moved around the screen > 4) Using overlays on Windows 98, primary surface on NT/2000 > (might do this > later, as a test release for Win9X only would be fine) > > I'll keep you posted, > > Harold > From vining@zts.com Wed Oct 25 23:09:00 2000 From: vining@zts.com (Cronin B. Vining) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:09:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display Status Update (3) References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A77F@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <000201c03ed4$33d77140$8501a8c0@peltier> >-----Original Message----- >From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com >[ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 4:00 PM >To: Cygx (E-mail) >Subject: Input and Display Status Update (3) > > >The windowed X server now complies with overlay alignment and size >restrictions again; this allows operation on video cards that require >overlays to be on certain byte boundaries and/or of a certain >size multiple. Can't wait to try it again!!! - Cronin From j.j.ita@siep.shell.com Thu Oct 26 00:51:00 2000 From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com (j.j.ita@siep.shell.com) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:51:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display Status Update (3) Message-ID: > > I'm thinking about working on the following things before I > package up a > test release: > 1) Possible display method that avoids overlays, thus allowing higher > resolution display on machines with limited video memory. Sounds like a good one to have, but maybe not necessary for the majority immediately. Is there any reason to put this all out at once instead of as you have it? The latter would allow the community to be bug finding as you go. > 2) Using DirectInput for mouse and keyboard input whenever > possible, only > falling back on standard input methods when DirectInput > intialization fails. >From what I understood of your previous messages, there were a lot of disadvantages to DirectInput with no advantages offsetting them. Could you tell this ignorant individual why this is desirable or point me to a link where I can educate myself? > 3) Allowing the X server window to be moved around the screen Also a good to have, but not a need to have. > 4) Using overlays on Windows 98, primary surface on NT/2000 > (might do this > later, as a test release for Win9X only would be fine) > Does the primary surface method on NT/2000 relate back to point 1 or is this a capability that NT/2000 has that Win9x does not? Again I would encourage a phased release plan. My first selfish reaction is to ask for the chance to test what you have now and see if it solves my DirectX problem. If it does not, I am thinking of downloading the source and seeing what is causing my problem. I have tried to avoid this because I am a novice in DirectX matters. Would it possible to get the DLL you have now to see if I need to start this odyssey? Joel From francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr Thu Oct 26 01:05:00 2000 From: francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr (Francis VIVAT) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:05:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display Status Update (3) References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A77F@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <157401c03f23$8e933070$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Hi, > 2) Using DirectInput for mouse and keyboard input whenever possible, only > falling back on standard input methods when DirectInput intialization fails. Wait a second, didn't you say that with DirectInput, you can't read the control panel settings for non-US keyboards ? I'm a poor froggy with a "stupid" AZERTY keyboard ... ;-) CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Thu Oct 26 06:35:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 06:35:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display Status Update (3) Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A780@ENTERPRISE> Good call, I think I'm going to package up an update today that people can give me some feedback on. The reason I had thought about holding off is that I had to make changes to the XWin.exe code contained in the XFree86 cvs tree, in addition to changes to the xf_dx.dll code; I don't really want to commit any of those changes until we decide what direction the code should be taking (i.e. get rid of all DI code vs. detecting what sort of input to use, getting rid of primary surface code vs. detecting what display mode to use, etc.). I think that feedback as to the stability, performance, and usefullness of the current changes would be usefull in determining a direction for further development. Well, enough talking, I'm going to see about throwing in some error detection code and rolling up a testing tarball. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 26 06:41:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 06:41:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display Status Update (3) References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A780@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215161C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Harold, As I suggested a few times, could you please send your binaries and changed code directly to me. I will create a "test" directory at source.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree for other users to download and test. I and Peter had been planing to added Win32 desktop integration. It can be added to xf_dx.dll without changing anything in XWIN.exe code. Peter had been busy, but if you want to look at it, I can send you the references directly from which we inspire the idea. Once that is done (achieved) we will be making XWIn comparable to other commercial X-servers. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:30 AM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Input and Display Status Update (3) > > > Good call, I think I'm going to package up an update today > that people can > give me some feedback on. > > The reason I had thought about holding off is that I had to > make changes to > the XWin.exe code contained in the XFree86 cvs tree, in > addition to changes > to the xf_dx.dll code; I don't really want to commit any of > those changes > until we decide what direction the code should be taking > (i.e. get rid of > all DI code vs. detecting what sort of input to use, getting > rid of primary > surface code vs. detecting what display mode to use, etc.). > I think that > feedback as to the stability, performance, and usefullness of > the current > changes would be usefull in determining a direction for > further development. > > Well, enough talking, I'm going to see about throwing in some error > detection code and rolling up a testing tarball. > > Harold > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Thu Oct 26 06:44:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 06:44:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display Status Update (3) Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A781@ENTERPRISE> Yup, when I said I was packaging a tarball I meant that I would be sending it to you to put in the test directory. I did have to change the XWin.exe code to replace the DirectInput keyboard map with a map for the Virtual Key codes... not a huge change, but it was necessary. Also, I've been working on cleaning up various bits of the code, making it easier to read, adding comments, etc... I'll submit those changes when I am confident that we are on the right track for development. Harold -----Original Message----- From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:41 AM To: 'Harold Hunt'; Cygx (E-mail) Subject: RE: Input and Display Status Update (3) Harold, As I suggested a few times, could you please send your binaries and changed code directly to me. I will create a "test" directory at source.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree for other users to download and test. I and Peter had been planing to added Win32 desktop integration. It can be added to xf_dx.dll without changing anything in XWIN.exe code. Peter had been busy, but if you want to look at it, I can send you the references directly from which we inspire the idea. Once that is done (achieved) we will be making XWIn comparable to other commercial X-servers. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:30 AM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Input and Display Status Update (3) > > > Good call, I think I'm going to package up an update today > that people can > give me some feedback on. > > The reason I had thought about holding off is that I had to > make changes to > the XWin.exe code contained in the XFree86 cvs tree, in > addition to changes > to the xf_dx.dll code; I don't really want to commit any of > those changes > until we decide what direction the code should be taking > (i.e. get rid of > all DI code vs. detecting what sort of input to use, getting > rid of primary > surface code vs. detecting what display mode to use, etc.). > I think that > feedback as to the stability, performance, and usefullness of > the current > changes would be usefull in determining a direction for > further development. > > Well, enough talking, I'm going to see about throwing in some error > detection code and rolling up a testing tarball. > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 26 06:52:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 06:52:00 -0000 Subject: Input and Display Status Update (3) References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A781@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215161D@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Harold, Thanks. I look forward to it. Here is a pointer to a very good article on Win32 X-servers. I and Peter took a lot of ideas from it. Only thing which needs to be followed and done is complete integration of X desktop with Win32 desktop. The article discusses how to successfully achieve it. http://www.digital.com/DTJL03/DTJL03.HTM Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:39 AM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Input and Display Status Update (3) > > > Yup, when I said I was packaging a tarball I meant that I > would be sending > it to you to put in the test directory. > > I did have to change the XWin.exe code to replace the > DirectInput keyboard > map with a map for the Virtual Key codes... not a huge > change, but it was > necessary. Also, I've been working on cleaning up various > bits of the code, > making it easier to read, adding comments, etc... I'll > submit those changes > when I am confident that we are on the right track for development. > > Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:41 AM > To: 'Harold Hunt'; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Input and Display Status Update (3) > > > > Harold, > As I suggested a few times, could you please send your > binaries and changed > code > directly to me. I will create a "test" directory at > source.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree > for other users to download and test. > > I and Peter had been planing to added Win32 desktop > integration. It can be > added > to xf_dx.dll without changing anything in XWIN.exe code. > Peter had been > busy, but if you > want to look at it, I can send you the references directly > from which we > inspire the idea. > Once that is done (achieved) we will be making XWIn > comparable to other > commercial X-servers. > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:30 AM > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > Subject: RE: Input and Display Status Update (3) > > > > > > Good call, I think I'm going to package up an update today > > that people can > > give me some feedback on. > > > > The reason I had thought about holding off is that I had to > > make changes to > > the XWin.exe code contained in the XFree86 cvs tree, in > > addition to changes > > to the xf_dx.dll code; I don't really want to commit any of > > those changes > > until we decide what direction the code should be taking > > (i.e. get rid of > > all DI code vs. detecting what sort of input to use, getting > > rid of primary > > surface code vs. detecting what display mode to use, etc.). > > I think that > > feedback as to the stability, performance, and usefullness of > > the current > > changes would be usefull in determining a direction for > > further development. > > > > Well, enough talking, I'm going to see about throwing in some error > > detection code and rolling up a testing tarball. > > > > Harold > > > From wosek@hananet.net Thu Oct 26 10:32:00 2000 From: wosek@hananet.net (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sei/7Lyu?=) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:32:00 -0000 Subject: ghostscript 6.01 Message-ID: I tried to compile 'ghostscript 6.01'. Though I know the PC-version of GSview32, it has some inconvenience as you know. In the source directory of ghostscript, make was almost finished but showed the following error: ---------------------- ./obj/echogs -w ./obj/ldt.tr -n - gcc -fno-common -o ./bin/gs ./obj/echogs -a ./obj/ldt.tr -n -s ./obj/gs.o -s cat ./obj/ld.tr >>./obj/ldt.tr ./obj/echogs -a ./obj/ldt.tr -s - -lpthread -lm LD_RUN_PATH=; export LD_RUN_PATH; \ XCFLAGS= XINCLUDE= XLDFLAGS= XLIBDIRS= XLIBS= \ FEATURE_DEVS= DEVICE_DEVS= DEVICE_DEVS1= DEVICE_DEVS2= DEVICE_DEVS3= \ DEVICE_DEVS4= DEVICE_DEVS5= DEVICE_DEVS6= DEVICE_DEVS7= DEVICE_DEVS8= \ DEVICE_DEVS9= DEVICE_DEVS10= DEVICE_DEVS11= DEVICE_DEVS12= \ DEVICE_DEVS13= DEVICE_DEVS14= DEVICE_DEVS15= DEVICE_DEVS16= \ DEVICE_DEVS17= DEVICE_DEVS18= DEVICE_DEVS19= DEVICE_DEVS20= \ /bin/sh <./obj/ldt.tr /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x349a):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcCloseConnection' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3577):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcModifyCallbacks' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3586):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcClientID' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x35e6):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcOpenConnection' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3716):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcGetIceConnection' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x372d):Shell.c: undefined reference to `IceConnectionNumber' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3cb1):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcSetProperties' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3d44):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcSetProperties' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3dad):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcDeleteProperties' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3ddc):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcGetIceConnection' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3de5):Shell.c: undefined reference to `IceProcessMessages' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3e86):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcSaveYourselfDone' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3fea):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcInteractDone' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x410b):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcSaveYourselfDone' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x42bb):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcInteractRequest' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x4356):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcInteractDone' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x43a2):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcRequestSaveYourselfPhase2' /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x43c5):Shell.c: undefined reference to `SmcSaveYourselfDone' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [bin/gs] Error 1 ------------------------------ Can anyone give a hint to overcome this? Please... Sincerely, Woosouk Kim From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Thu Oct 26 10:41:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:41:00 -0000 Subject: ghostscript 6.01 Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A783@ENTERPRISE> This isn't really on topic for the mailing list, but, I would start by checking if you actually have a file called /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a If you do have the file, then welcome to the wonderful world of compiling! If you don't have the file, then get the other packages for Cygwin/XFree86 an untar them... I know that one of the tarballs includes libXt.a, as I have the file. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 26 10:41:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:41:00 -0000 Subject: ghostscript 6.01 References: Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151620@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> You might consider reading more about links libraries, reading about how to use "nm --print-file-name commands to figure out which library contains the missing symbols to resolve and should be added to linker.. and might conisder editing Makefiles. pthread is not default lib in Cygwin (btw: this question should be taken to Cygwin list). The rest of the questions on how to compile Ghostscript can be taken to GNU mailing lists Please. I do not have intentions to support compilation issues of millions of X-clients out their. Sorry! i prefer to keep this mailing list STRICTLY to compilation, porting issues and useage of XFree86 X-server under Windows/Cygwin. your problem is -lSM -lICE, if you know what does it mean if not then forget it, please! Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: wosek@hananet.net [ mailto:wosek@hananet.net ] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:31 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: ghostscript 6.01 > > > I tried to compile 'ghostscript 6.01'. Though I know the > PC-version of GSview32, > it has some inconvenience as you know. In the source > directory of ghostscript, > make was almost finished but showed the following error: > > ---------------------- > ./obj/echogs -w ./obj/ldt.tr -n - gcc -fno-common -o ./bin/gs > ./obj/echogs -a ./obj/ldt.tr -n -s ./obj/gs.o -s > cat ./obj/ld.tr >>./obj/ldt.tr > ./obj/echogs -a ./obj/ldt.tr -s - -lpthread -lm > LD_RUN_PATH=; export LD_RUN_PATH; \ > XCFLAGS= XINCLUDE= XLDFLAGS= XLIBDIRS= XLIBS= \ > FEATURE_DEVS= DEVICE_DEVS= DEVICE_DEVS1= DEVICE_DEVS2= DEVICE_DEVS3= \ > DEVICE_DEVS4= DEVICE_DEVS5= DEVICE_DEVS6= DEVICE_DEVS7= > DEVICE_DEVS8= \ > DEVICE_DEVS9= DEVICE_DEVS10= DEVICE_DEVS11= DEVICE_DEVS12= \ > DEVICE_DEVS13= DEVICE_DEVS14= DEVICE_DEVS15= DEVICE_DEVS16= \ > DEVICE_DEVS17= DEVICE_DEVS18= DEVICE_DEVS19= DEVICE_DEVS20= \ > /bin/sh <./obj/ldt.tr > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x349a):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcCloseConnection' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3577):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcModifyCallbacks' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3586):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcClientID' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x35e6):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcOpenConnection' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3716):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcGetIceConnection' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x372d):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `IceConnectionNumber' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3cb1):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcSetProperties' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3d44):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcSetProperties' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3dad):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcDeleteProperties' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3ddc):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcGetIceConnection' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3de5):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `IceProcessMessages' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3e86):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcSaveYourselfDone' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x3fea):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcInteractDone' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x410b):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcSaveYourselfDone' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x42bb):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcInteractRequest' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x4356):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcInteractDone' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x43a2):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcRequestSaveYourselfPhase2' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.a(Shell.o)(.text+0x43c5):Shell.c: > undefined reference to `SmcSaveYourselfDone' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make: *** [bin/gs] Error 1 > ------------------------------ > > Can anyone give a hint to overcome this? Please... > > Sincerely, > > Woosouk Kim > From zz5359@wtc.nec.gmeds.com Thu Oct 26 10:55:00 2000 From: zz5359@wtc.nec.gmeds.com (Ed Beckerich) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:55:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Message-ID: <39F86F4E.9F3A30DD@wtc.nec.gmeds.com> Q. Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? This is not obvious to me. This must be to run graphic unix ported programs. If this is the case, can I startx from a DOS boot-ed prompt? Some coverage for us newbies would be helpful. From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Thu Oct 26 11:01:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:01:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A786@ENTERPRISE> You can download a test replacement for XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll from one of the following: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/test I would download from MSU, as it's nice and fast; plus, my tuition should be good for something, eh? :) Before you extract, be sure to backup your original XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll files. Extract the test archive like so: cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin cd /usr/X11R6/bin mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar Edit your /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.bat file to contain the following line, where %WIDTH% is the desired window width, %HEIGHT% is the desired window height, and %DEPTH% is your current display depth, in bits (not the number of colors, e.g. 16 bits instead of 65536 colors or 8 bits instead of 256 colors): start XWin -screen 0 %WIDTH%x%HEIGHT%x%DEPTH% An example configuration would be like follows: start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory in addition to the video memory required for your current display resolution and depth. Your window size should require no more video memory than you currently have free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to ensure success. Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get XWin to start (don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file in synch with your current display depth). Feedback: Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, language). Please post to the list if the test does not work for you (include your OS, video card info, and language). Please post your suggestions to the list. Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) Enjoy, Harold From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Thu Oct 26 11:03:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:03:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A787@ENTERPRISE> Please read the User's Guide at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/docs/howto/book1.htm X on Win9x/NT allows for a transitionary period before the world switches to GNU/Linux permanently :) Heh heh... at least, that's what I'm hoping for. Harold -----Original Message----- From: Ed Beckerich [ mailto:zz5359@wtc.nec.gmeds.com ] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:52 PM To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Q. Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? This is not obvious to me. This must be to run graphic unix ported programs. If this is the case, can I startx from a DOS boot-ed prompt? Some coverage for us newbies would be helpful. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 26 11:06:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:06:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? References: <39F86F4E.9F3A30DD@wtc.nec.gmeds.com> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151623@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > Q. Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > This is not obvious to me. If this is not obvious to you, then I cannot help you or no one can answer you.... and 10s of Win32 X-server vendors would have problems selling their 500 bucks products for each host ;-) >This must be to run graphic unix ported > programs. If this is the case, can I startx from a DOS > boot-ed prompt? NO, MS-DOS booted prompt is not MICROSOFT WINDOWS. Windows means Microsoft Oeprating systems, aka Windows 95 Windows 98, Windows NT and Windows 2000. > > Some coverage for us newbies would be helpful. > Sorry, this questions cannot be included in FAQ, it is too redumentary. Suhaib From xmoderator@hotmail.com Thu Oct 26 11:52:00 2000 From: xmoderator@hotmail.com (cygwin xfree86) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:52:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Message-ID: >If this is not obvious to you, then I cannot help you or no one can answer >you.... Another brillant but useless answer from one of this group's moderators! It would be helpful if the moderators of this list were more tolerant potential users, no matter what their skill set, of the exciting tools that this group provides. Insulting people who pose naive questions is not a to encourage new users. So PLEASE cool your jets and be MORE TOLERANT. >Sorry, this questions cannot be included in FAQ, it is too redumentary. This is precisely the type of basic question that should be in an FAQ - they are for use by experienced users and newbies. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 26 12:02:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:02:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? References: Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151624@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> First of all, i would request that you stop posting as "Cygwin Xfree86". Cygwin is a Red Hat TradeMark and XFree86 is owned by XFree86 Inc. as a Trade mark. So please do not use Trade mark names as users in your e-mail address. It creates confusions. > > >If this is not obvious to you, then I cannot help you or no > one can answer > >you.... > > Another brillant but useless answer from one of this group's > moderators! > > It would be helpful if the moderators of this list were more tolerant > potential users, no matter what their skill set, of the > exciting tools that > this group provides. Insulting people who pose naive > questions is not a to > encourage new users. So PLEASE cool your jets and be MORE TOLERANT. Second there are links of FAQ, if you care to read carefully it will point users to Books and/or URL where to learn more about X-Windows systems and what it is. I have no intentions of covering or dittoing someone else URL or literature here. > > >Sorry, this questions cannot be included in FAQ, it is too > redumentary. > > This is precisely the type of basic question that should be > in an FAQ - they > are for use by experienced users and newbies. Read my Second answer. This question cannot be part of FAQ. Because it is covered at many places on the Internet and we provide pointers to some of them at our FAQ. Suhaib > > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com . > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com . > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Thu Oct 26 12:03:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:03:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A78B@ENTERPRISE> End of Thread, Harold From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Thu Oct 26 13:30:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:30:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A791@ENTERPRISE> Hasn't anybody tried the test release yet? -----Original Message----- From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:57 PM To: Cygx (E-mail) Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) You can download a test replacement for XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll from one of the following: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/test I would download from MSU, as it's nice and fast; plus, my tuition should be good for something, eh? :) Before you extract, be sure to backup your original XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll files. Extract the test archive like so: cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin cd /usr/X11R6/bin mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar Edit your /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.bat file to contain the following line, where %WIDTH% is the desired window width, %HEIGHT% is the desired window height, and %DEPTH% is your current display depth, in bits (not the number of colors, e.g. 16 bits instead of 65536 colors or 8 bits instead of 256 colors): start XWin -screen 0 %WIDTH%x%HEIGHT%x%DEPTH% An example configuration would be like follows: start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory in addition to the video memory required for your current display resolution and depth. Your window size should require no more video memory than you currently have free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to ensure success. Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get XWin to start (don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file in synch with your current display depth). Feedback: Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, language). Please post to the list if the test does not work for you (include your OS, video card info, and language). Please post your suggestions to the list. Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) Enjoy, Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 26 14:14:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:14:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2 000) References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A791@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151626@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Harold, I do not have access Win98/Me PC at work. But will test tonight at home and will let you know. Thanks Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 4:26 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & > NT/2 000) > > > Hasn't anybody tried the test release yet? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:57 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & > NT/2000) > > > You can download a test replacement for XWin.exe and > xf_dx.dll from one of > the following: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/test > > I would download from MSU, as it's nice and fast; plus, my > tuition should be > good for something, eh? :) > > Before you extract, be sure to backup your original XWin.exe > and xf_dx.dll > files. > > Extract the test archive like so: > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > Edit your /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.bat file to contain the > following line, > where %WIDTH% is the desired window width, %HEIGHT% is the > desired window > height, and %DEPTH% is your current display depth, in bits > (not the number > of colors, e.g. 16 bits instead of 65536 colors or 8 bits > instead of 256 > colors): > start XWin -screen 0 %WIDTH%x%HEIGHT%x%DEPTH% > > An example configuration would be like follows: > start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 > > Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory in > addition to the > video memory required for your current display resolution and > depth. Your > window size should require no more video memory than you > currently have > free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to > ensure success. > Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get > XWin to start > (don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file in > synch with > your current display depth). > > Feedback: > Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, > language). > Please post to the list if the test does not work for you > (include your OS, > video card info, and language). > Please post your suggestions to the list. > Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) > > Enjoy, > > Harold > From vining@zts.com Thu Oct 26 14:55:00 2000 From: vining@zts.com (Cronin B. Vining) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:55:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A791@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <001001c03f97$365beea0$8501a8c0@peltier> I just tried them on two different WinNT/SP6 boxes Box #1: old installation works fine. Test files give a flash of a black window, which closes too fast to read anything. Box #2: old installation never did work (previously reported Direct Draw Init failure). Test files give a flash of a black window, which closes too fast to read anything. :( - Cronin >-----Original Message----- >From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com >[ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 3:26 PM >To: Cygx (E-mail) >Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & >NT/2000) > > >Hasn't anybody tried the test release yet? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] >Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:57 PM >To: Cygx (E-mail) >Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & >NT/2000) > > >You can download a test replacement for XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll >from one of >the following: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/test > >I would download from MSU, as it's nice and fast; plus, my >tuition should be >good for something, eh? :) > >Before you extract, be sure to backup your original XWin.exe >and xf_dx.dll >files. > >Extract the test archive like so: >cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin >cd /usr/X11R6/bin >mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe >mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll >bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 >tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > >Edit your /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.bat file to contain the >following line, >where %WIDTH% is the desired window width, %HEIGHT% is the >desired window >height, and %DEPTH% is your current display depth, in bits >(not the number >of colors, e.g. 16 bits instead of 65536 colors or 8 bits >instead of 256 >colors): >start XWin -screen 0 %WIDTH%x%HEIGHT%x%DEPTH% > >An example configuration would be like follows: >start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 > >Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory in >addition to the >video memory required for your current display resolution and >depth. Your >window size should require no more video memory than you currently have >free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to >ensure success. >Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get >XWin to start >(don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file in >synch with >your current display depth). > >Feedback: >Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, >language). >Please post to the list if the test does not work for you >(include your OS, >video card info, and language). >Please post your suggestions to the list. >Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) > >Enjoy, > >Harold > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu Oct 26 17:13:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:13:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Message-ID: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA641C@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> I agree - it is rudimentary questions that *MUST* be covered by the web page or the FAQ. "Frequently" asked questions... I am happy to put in the reasoning the next time I update the pages (probably this weekend). (UNLESS you object Suhaib.). Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin xfree86 [ mailto:xmoderator@HOTMAIL.COM ] > Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 5:51 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > > >If this is not obvious to you, then I cannot help you or no > one can answer > >you.... > > Another brillant but useless answer from one of this group's > moderators! This group isn't moderated. It is 100% volunteer unpaid contribution. Chris Faylor et al from Redhat listen in but aren't involved in the development (unless you lot just got a lot of time ? :-]). So thanks for your brilliant, inspired response that will get everyone assisting you in this project. Nuff Said. > It would be helpful if the moderators of this list were more tolerant > potential users, no matter what their skill set, of the > exciting tools that > this group provides. Insulting people who pose naive > questions is not a to > encourage new users. So PLEASE cool your jets and be MORE TOLERANT. Yes. Like you? The X-Server port has only just reached stablility - at this point this is the development group, not a support group. > >Sorry, this questions cannot be included in FAQ, it is too > redumentary. > > This is precisely the type of basic question that should be > in an FAQ - they > are for use by experienced users and newbies. As I said.. I agree Rob From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu Oct 26 17:15:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:15:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Message-ID: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA7FB0@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> > > >Sorry, this questions cannot be included in FAQ, it is too > > redumentary. > > > > This is precisely the type of basic question that should be > > in an FAQ - they > > are for use by experienced users and newbies. > > Read my Second answer. This question cannot be part of FAQ. > Because it is covered at many places on the Internet and > we provide pointers to some of them at our FAQ. > > Suhaib > I think the basic reasoning is useful to have present. (Not the details, just something like X-Windows is ..... (already there). Why use X-Windows on Win32? To a) show the output of programs running on unix machines or remote sservers b) Make porting Unix programs to windows easier by providing 100% compatible GUI environment, so no "porting" layer for the GUI is needed. Rob From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 26 17:34:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:34:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151627@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Robert, Thanks for your suggestions. BUT the answer to question is alrady covered in FAQ. All users needs to do read Q.1 and Q.2 and follow the links. I personally do not think anyone can cover this topic better then Kenton Lee, whose URL pointer is under Q.2. ( http://www.rahul.net/kenton ). I do not think it is a right attitude from users to shoot the questions and suggestions without reading the FAQ and mail archives and then someone else jumping in between hiding behind aliases of Trade-Marks and opening an account as "xmoderator" under anonymous ID's. This kind of behavior, I do not appreciate. It is an OpenSource projects users should be willing to search and read to find the answers, before asking. If I am unable to answer the questions properly then others are welcome to answer, instead of creating confusions through anonymous accounts. At last, as I always say "Read First FAQ and Mail Archives Then Ask." FAQ and Mail archive are there for some good reasons. 98% when I have problems with Cygwin itself, a few minutes search on Cygwin mail archives answer my questions or give me hints where to look for a fix. I expect users to make a good use of precious disk space and Sourceware Server space Chris Faylor devoted to this project. Suhaib 1. General Information 1.1 What is X11, X11R6.x, and Cygwin/XFree86? X11, more precisely called "The X Window System" is a complete window system that usually runs as the de-facto standard in Unix environments. X11R6.4 is the name of the current release (precisely, the most recent one is X11R6.5.1, but this is not part of the 4.X server line. XFree86 was originally an implementation of the X Window System on x86-based systems. (For more information see http://www.xfree86.org/#whatis ). Cygwin/XFree86 is a port of XFree86 version 4 for x86 windows based systems using Redhat's Cygwin Development Tools. 1.2 Where can I find more information? Books about X11 exist in any well-sorted CS bookstore. Some URLs: http://www.x11.org/ (this has a rather large bibliography) http://www.xfree86.org/ http://www.rahul.net/kenton Mailing list Cygwin-XFree@sources.redhat.com. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Collins To: cygwin xfree86; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Sent: 10/26/2000 8:11 PM Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? I agree - it is rudimentary questions that *MUST* be covered by the web page or the FAQ. "Frequently" asked questions... I am happy to put in the reasoning the next time I update the pages (probably this weekend). (UNLESS you object Suhaib.). Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin xfree86 [ mailto:xmoderator@HOTMAIL.COM ] > Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 5:51 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > > >If this is not obvious to you, then I cannot help you or no > one can answer > >you.... > > Another brillant but useless answer from one of this group's > moderators! This group isn't moderated. It is 100% volunteer unpaid contribution. Chris Faylor et al from Redhat listen in but aren't involved in the development (unless you lot just got a lot of time ? :-]). So thanks for your brilliant, inspired response that will get everyone assisting you in this project. Nuff Said. > It would be helpful if the moderators of this list were more tolerant > potential users, no matter what their skill set, of the > exciting tools that > this group provides. Insulting people who pose naive > questions is not a to > encourage new users. So PLEASE cool your jets and be MORE TOLERANT. Yes. Like you? The X-Server port has only just reached stablility - at this point this is the development group, not a support group. > >Sorry, this questions cannot be included in FAQ, it is too > redumentary. > > This is precisely the type of basic question that should be > in an FAQ - they > are for use by experienced users and newbies. As I said.. I agree Rob From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 26 17:35:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:35:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151628@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Robert, Thanks for your suggestions. BUT the answer to question is alrady covered in FAQ. All users needs to do read Q.1 and Q.2 and follow the links. I personally do not think anyone can cover this topic better then Kenton Lee, whose URL pointer is under Q.2. ( http://www.rahul.net/kenton ). I do not think it is a right attitude from users to shoot the questions and suggestions without reading the FAQ and mail archives and then someone else jumping in between hiding behind aliases of Trade-Marks and opening an account as "xmoderator" under anonymous ID's. This kind of behavior, I do not appreciate. It is an OpenSource projects users should be willing to search and read to find the answers, before asking. If I am unable to answer the questions properly then others are welcome to answer, instead of creating confusions through anonymous accounts. At last, as I always say "Read First FAQ and Mail Archives Then Ask." FAQ and Mail archive are there for some good reasons. 98% when I have problems with Cygwin itself, a few minutes search on Cygwin mail archives answer my questions or give me hints where to look for a fix. I expect users to make a good use of precious disk space and Sourceware Server space Chris Faylor devoted to this project. Suhaib 1. General Information 1.1 What is X11, X11R6.x, and Cygwin/XFree86? X11, more precisely called "The X Window System" is a complete window system that usually runs as the de-facto standard in Unix environments. X11R6.4 is the name of the current release (precisely, the most recent one is X11R6.5.1, but this is not part of the 4.X server line. XFree86 was originally an implementation of the X Window System on x86-based systems. (For more information see http://www.xfree86.org/#whatis ). Cygwin/XFree86 is a port of XFree86 version 4 for x86 windows based systems using Redhat's Cygwin Development Tools. 1.2 Where can I find more information? Books about X11 exist in any well-sorted CS bookstore. Some URLs: http://www.x11.org/ (this has a rather large bibliography) http://www.xfree86.org/ http://www.rahul.net/kenton Mailing list Cygwin-XFree@sources.redhat.com. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Collins To: cygwin xfree86; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Sent: 10/26/2000 8:11 PM Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? I agree - it is rudimentary questions that *MUST* be covered by the web page or the FAQ. "Frequently" asked questions... I am happy to put in the reasoning the next time I update the pages (probably this weekend). (UNLESS you object Suhaib.). Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin xfree86 [ mailto:xmoderator@HOTMAIL.COM ] > Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 5:51 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > > >If this is not obvious to you, then I cannot help you or no > one can answer > >you.... > > Another brillant but useless answer from one of this group's > moderators! This group isn't moderated. It is 100% volunteer unpaid contribution. Chris Faylor et al from Redhat listen in but aren't involved in the development (unless you lot just got a lot of time ? :-]). So thanks for your brilliant, inspired response that will get everyone assisting you in this project. Nuff Said. > It would be helpful if the moderators of this list were more tolerant > potential users, no matter what their skill set, of the > exciting tools that > this group provides. Insulting people who pose naive > questions is not a to > encourage new users. So PLEASE cool your jets and be MORE TOLERANT. Yes. Like you? The X-Server port has only just reached stablility - at this point this is the development group, not a support group. > >Sorry, this questions cannot be included in FAQ, it is too > redumentary. > > This is precisely the type of basic question that should be > in an FAQ - they > are for use by experienced users and newbies. As I said.. I agree Rob From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 26 17:38:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:38:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151629@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> >I think the basic reasoning is useful to have present. (Not the details, >just something like >X-Windows is ..... (already there). >Why use X-Windows on Win32? To >a) show the output of programs running on unix machines or remote >sservers >b) Make porting Unix programs to windows easier by providing 100% >compatible GUI environment, so no "porting" layer for the GUI is needed. >Rob OK, point a) and b) are fine to include in FAQ the way you wrote. But http://www.rahul.net/kenton has a huge number documents devoted to X on Win32. If a User follows that link from Q.2 from FAQ, he would find answers to why use Xon Win32 and why use MOTIF on Win32. Suhaib From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu Oct 26 17:47:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:47:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215162A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> harold, It did not work. I am sure there are problems with xf_dx.dll. On startup, a small window blinks and disappears if, starxwin.bat file is used to boot X-server. Using startx from a bash shell, I get the following: _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired pwin->width = 00000280 Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000280 Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000008 Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 If I replace your modified XWin.exe with mine (default one from archive) the error is still same, which means probelms are in xf_dx.dll. Because, I do not have your changes to source code, yet, I could not debug it. I get same results on Win98, Win Me, Win2K and WinNT 4.0. Suhaib From cgf@redhat.com Thu Oct 26 18:10:00 2000 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:10:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? References: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA641C@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> Message-ID: <20001026211002.A15402@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 11:11:13AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: >This group isn't moderated. It is 100% volunteer unpaid contribution. >Chris Faylor et al from Redhat listen in but aren't involved in the >development (unless you lot just got a lot of time ? :-]). So thanks for >your brilliant, inspired response that will get everyone assisting you >in this project. >Nuff Said. I may have referred to myself as a moderator in private email to a poster to this mailing list but I was using incorrect terminology. I have the ability to subscribe, unsubscribe, and block people here but, as you pointed out, this mailing list is unmoderated. And, we'll allow almost any kind of messages here as long as they are on-topic. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Thu Oct 26 18:13:00 2000 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:13:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151627@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20001026211329.B15402@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 08:33:21PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >At last, as I always say "Read First FAQ and Mail Archives Then Ask." FAQ >and Mail archive are there for some good reasons. 98% when I have problems >with Cygwin itself, a few minutes search on Cygwin mail archives answer my >questions or give me hints where to look for a fix. I expect users to make >a good use of precious disk space and Sourceware Server space Chris Faylor >devoted to this project. That's a pretty rare attitude, unfortunately. The interesting thing is that when I get a question from Suhaib, I know it's an appropriate question that probably deserves my consideration because he's done due diligence. If only everyone was so diligent. I do agree that this issue should be in the FAQ, if it isn't already. And, apologies for not checking myself to find out! :-) Anyway, you guys know that you're doing a great job. I'm amazed at your progress and glad to have my name associated with it in some minor way, even if I'm just "the moderator". cgf From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu Oct 26 18:21:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:21:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Message-ID: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA641E@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 11:33 AM > To: Robert Collins; 'cygwin xfree86 '; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > > Robert, > Thanks for your suggestions. BUT the answer to question is > alrady covered > in FAQ. All users needs to do read Q.1 and Q.2 and follow > the links. I That's the problem. The question: why would I want to use Xfree86/cygwin is not covered "in the faq". It is linked to but I am not sure that is enough. I don't want to replace Kenton Lee's text, but to ensure that readers will goto that page. I think the current FAQ provides enough links, but for someone impatiently, or just browsing will they follow? We should provide a "motivation for this project"/ > personally do not think anyone can cover this topic better > then Kenton Lee, > whose URL pointer is under Q.2. ( http://www.rahul.net/kenton ). I agree reading the FAQ is essential. BUT we also need to give enough info in the FAQ that the real easy questions are answered without expecting the user to jump through hoops. The mail archives are good, but look at the cygwin list : even though the subscription page has a link to the archives people still just don't check first. > I do not think it is a right attitude from users to shoot the > questions and > suggestions without reading the FAQ and mail archives and > then someone else > jumping in between hiding behind aliases of Trade-Marks and opening an > account as "xmoderator" under anonymous ID's. This kind of > behavior, I do > not appreciate. It is an OpenSource projects users should be > willing to > search and read to find the answers, before asking. If I am unable to > answer the questions properly then others are welcome to > answer, instead of > creating confusions through anonymous accounts. I agree completely. > At last, as I always say "Read First FAQ and Mail Archives > Then Ask." FAQ > and Mail archive are there for some good reasons. 98% when I > have problems > with Cygwin itself, a few minutes search on Cygwin mail > archives answer my > questions or give me hints where to look for a fix. I expect > users to make > a good use of precious disk space and Sourceware Server space > Chris Faylor > devoted to this project. > > Suhaib > > 1. General Information > 1.1 > What is X11, X11R6.x, and Cygwin/XFree86? > > X11, more precisely called "The X Window System" is a > complete window system > that usually runs as the de-facto standard in Unix > environments. X11R6.4 is > the name of the current release (precisely, the most recent one is > X11R6.5.1, but this is not part of the 4.X server line. XFree86 was > originally an implementation of the X Window System on > x86-based systems. > (For more information see http://www.xfree86.org/#whatis ). > Cygwin/XFree86 > is a port of XFree86 version 4 for x86 windows based systems > using Redhat's > Cygwin Development Tools. > > > > 1.2 Where can I find more information? > > Books about X11 exist in any well-sorted CS bookstore. > > Some URLs: > http://www.x11.org/ (this has a rather large bibliography) > http://www.xfree86.org/ > http://www.rahul.net/kenton > Mailing list Cygwin-XFree@sources.redhat.com. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins > To: cygwin xfree86; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Sent: 10/26/2000 8:11 PM > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > I agree - it is rudimentary questions that *MUST* be covered > by the web > page or the FAQ. "Frequently" asked questions... > > I am happy to put in the reasoning the next time I update the pages > (probably this weekend). (UNLESS you object Suhaib.). > > Rob > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin xfree86 [ mailto:xmoderator@HOTMAIL.COM ] > > Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 5:51 AM > > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > > > > > >If this is not obvious to you, then I cannot help you or no > > one can answer > > >you.... > > > > Another brillant but useless answer from one of this group's > > moderators! > > This group isn't moderated. It is 100% volunteer unpaid contribution. > Chris Faylor et al from Redhat listen in but aren't involved in the > development (unless you lot just got a lot of time ? :-]). So > thanks for > your brilliant, inspired response that will get everyone assisting you > in this project. > Nuff Said. > > > It would be helpful if the moderators of this list were > more tolerant > > potential users, no matter what their skill set, of the > > exciting tools that > > this group provides. Insulting people who pose naive > > questions is not a to > > encourage new users. So PLEASE cool your jets and be MORE TOLERANT. > > Yes. Like you? The X-Server port has only just reached stablility - at > this point this is the development group, not a support group. > > > >Sorry, this questions cannot be included in FAQ, it is too > > redumentary. > > > > This is precisely the type of basic question that should be > > in an FAQ - they > > are for use by experienced users and newbies. > > As I said.. I agree > > Rob > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu Oct 26 18:22:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:22:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? Message-ID: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA641F@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> Ooops. I should really read *all* my mail before replying. Please ignore my post as of 2 minutes ago - I hadn't seen this one from you. I will include a) and b) in the FAQ soon. Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 11:38 AM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > > > > >I think the basic reasoning is useful to have present. (Not > the details, > >just something like > > >X-Windows is ..... (already there). > > >Why use X-Windows on Win32? > To > >a) show the output of programs running on unix machines or remote > >sservers > >b) Make porting Unix programs to windows easier by providing 100% > >compatible GUI environment, so no "porting" layer for the > GUI is needed. > > >Rob > > OK, point a) and b) are fine to include in FAQ the way you wrote. > But http://www.rahul.net/kenton has a huge number documents > devoted to X on > Win32. If a User follows that link from Q.2 from FAQ, he > would find answers > to why use Xon Win32 and why use MOTIF on Win32. > > Suhaib > From pb@syntekt.com.tw Thu Oct 26 19:06:00 2000 From: pb@syntekt.com.tw (Przemyslaw Bazarnik) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:06:00 -0000 Subject: OverlayAndNoDITest results Message-ID: <39F8E4CC.4CBFFF64@syntekt.com.tw> Harold, I got some results form my setup OS: Windows NT 4 SP5 Language: US English Cygwin 1.1.4 (Old files work correctly - only the random input problem while switching screens) OverlayAndNoDITest setup results ------------------------------- #!/bin/sh DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 gives: administrator@PS196:/usr/X11r6/bin>./xstart _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired pwin->width = 00000280 Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000500 Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000010 Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 -------- XWin -screen 1 640x480x16 XWin -screen 2 640x480x16 give: administrator@PS196:/usr/X11r6/bin>./xstart _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired pwin->width = 00000280 Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000280 Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000008 Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 ---- XWin -screen 0 640x480x32 administrator@PS196:/usr/X11r6/bin>./xstart _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired pwin->width = 00000280 Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000a00 Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000020 Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 ---- XWin -screen 0 640x480x24 administrator@PS196:/usr/X11r6/bin>./xstart _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired pwin->width = 00000280 Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000780 Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000018 Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 Looks like something trivial... (?) During all this some other window is flashing for a microsecond (it seems white to me :-)) BTW If I well remember, there was an intention to document (a HOWTO ?) how to setup environment for compiling current Xserver. Do you use gcc to compile the Windows related code some other compiler is required (VC)? Cheers, Przemek > You can download a test replacement for XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll from one of > the following: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/test > > I would download from MSU, as it's nice and fast; plus, my tuition should be > good for something, eh? :) > > Before you extract, be sure to backup your original XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll > files. > > Extract the test archive like so: > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > Edit your /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.bat file to contain the following line, > where %WIDTH% is the desired window width, %HEIGHT% is the desired window > height, and %DEPTH% is your current display depth, in bits (not the number > of colors, e.g. 16 bits instead of 65536 colors or 8 bits instead of 256 > colors): > start XWin -screen 0 %WIDTH%x%HEIGHT%x%DEPTH% > > An example configuration would be like follows: > start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 > > Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory in addition to the > video memory required for your current display resolution and depth. Your > window size should require no more video memory than you currently have > free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to ensure success. > Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get XWin to start > (don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file in synch with > your current display depth). > > Feedback: > Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, > language). > Please post to the list if the test does not work for you (include your OS, > video card info, and language). > Please post your suggestions to the list. > Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) > > Enjoy, > > Harold From pb@syntekt.com.tw Thu Oct 26 19:38:00 2000 From: pb@syntekt.com.tw (Przemyslaw Bazarnik) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:38:00 -0000 Subject: [Fwd: OverlayAndNoDITest results] Message-ID: <39F8EC5E.BBC334B8@syntekt.com.tw> I forgot: I have Riva TNT2 32MB, I tried both on 16 bit and 32 bit desktop. Cheers, Przemek -------- Original Message -------- Subject: OverlayAndNoDITest results Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:13:32 +0800 From: Przemyslaw Bazarnik Organization: Syntek Semiconductor To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Harold, I got some results form my setup OS: Windows NT 4 SP5 Language: US English Cygwin 1.1.4 (Old files work correctly - only the random input problem while switching screens) . . . . From acmay@mace.penguinpowered.com Thu Oct 26 21:23:00 2000 From: acmay@mace.penguinpowered.com (acmay@mace.penguinpowered.com) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:23:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151627@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20001026212340.B20863@sink.san.rr.com> On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 08:33:21PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > Robert, > Thanks for your suggestions. BUT the answer to question is alrady covered > in FAQ. All users needs to do read Q.1 and Q.2 and follow the links. I > personally do not think anyone can cover this topic better then Kenton Lee, > whose URL pointer is under Q.2. ( http://www.rahul.net/kenton ). Some things can never be repeated enough. I would also add point c) for the same reason we have WINE. almost the same b) > I do not think it is a right attitude from users to shoot the questions and > suggestions without reading the FAQ and mail archives and then someone else Have you been on a list with the unsubscribe instructions in the headers and footers of an email? Even then you get people that do the unsubscribe s.... to the list itself. Never underestimate the stupidity of some people. "Good. Bad. I'm the one with gun" just delete the stupid ones or send a private berating to them and don't bother the other people on the list. > At last, as I always say "Read First FAQ and Mail Archives Then Ask." FAQ > and Mail archive are there for some good reasons. 98% when I have problems Leave the post from these people in the quick delete category. Maybe they will learn through silence. Someone should try to write a generic procmail filter to take a html faq and filter out all mail that makes a reference to a question in the faq. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri Oct 27 03:54:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 03:54:00 -0000 Subject: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? References: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA641E@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215162B@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Robert, Thanks. Your call. YOu can add or modify the way you like. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:19 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi; cygwin xfree86 ; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > > Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 11:33 AM > > To: Robert Collins; 'cygwin xfree86 '; > cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > > > > > Robert, > > Thanks for your suggestions. BUT the answer to question is > > alrady covered > > in FAQ. All users needs to do read Q.1 and Q.2 and follow > > the links. I > > That's the problem. The question: why would I want to use > Xfree86/cygwin > is not covered "in the faq". It is linked to but I am not sure that is > enough. I don't want to replace Kenton Lee's text, but to ensure that > readers will goto that page. > > I think the current FAQ provides enough links, but for someone > impatiently, or just browsing will they follow? We should provide a > "motivation for this project"/ > > > personally do not think anyone can cover this topic better > > then Kenton Lee, > > whose URL pointer is under Q.2. ( http://www.rahul.net/kenton ). > > I agree reading the FAQ is essential. BUT we also need to give enough > info in the FAQ that the real easy questions are answered without > expecting the user to jump through hoops. The mail archives are good, > but look at the cygwin list : even though the subscription page has a > link to the archives people still just don't check first. > > > I do not think it is a right attitude from users to shoot the > > questions and > > suggestions without reading the FAQ and mail archives and > > then someone else > > jumping in between hiding behind aliases of Trade-Marks and > opening an > > account as "xmoderator" under anonymous ID's. This kind of > > behavior, I do > > not appreciate. It is an OpenSource projects users should be > > willing to > > search and read to find the answers, before asking. If I > am unable to > > answer the questions properly then others are welcome to > > answer, instead of > > creating confusions through anonymous accounts. > > I agree completely. > > > At last, as I always say "Read First FAQ and Mail Archives > > Then Ask." FAQ > > and Mail archive are there for some good reasons. 98% when I > > have problems > > with Cygwin itself, a few minutes search on Cygwin mail > > archives answer my > > questions or give me hints where to look for a fix. I expect > > users to make > > a good use of precious disk space and Sourceware Server space > > Chris Faylor > > devoted to this project. > > > > Suhaib > > > > 1. General Information > > 1.1 > > What is X11, X11R6.x, and Cygwin/XFree86? > > > > X11, more precisely called "The X Window System" is a > > complete window system > > that usually runs as the de-facto standard in Unix > > environments. X11R6.4 is > > the name of the current release (precisely, the most recent one is > > X11R6.5.1, but this is not part of the 4.X server line. XFree86 was > > originally an implementation of the X Window System on > > x86-based systems. > > (For more information see http://www.xfree86.org/#whatis ). > > Cygwin/XFree86 > > is a port of XFree86 version 4 for x86 windows based systems > > using Redhat's > > Cygwin Development Tools. > > > > > > > > 1.2 Where can I find more information? > > > > Books about X11 exist in any well-sorted CS bookstore. > > > > Some URLs: > > http://www.x11.org/ (this has a rather large bibliography) > > http://www.xfree86.org/ > > http://www.rahul.net/kenton > > Mailing list Cygwin-XFree@sources.redhat.com. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Collins > > To: cygwin xfree86; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > > Sent: 10/26/2000 8:11 PM > > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > > > I agree - it is rudimentary questions that *MUST* be covered > > by the web > > page or the FAQ. "Frequently" asked questions... > > > > I am happy to put in the reasoning the next time I update the pages > > (probably this weekend). (UNLESS you object Suhaib.). > > > > Rob > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cygwin xfree86 [ mailto:xmoderator@HOTMAIL.COM ] > > > Sent: Friday, 27 October 2000 5:51 AM > > > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > > > Subject: RE: Why run XWindows on top of MS Windows? > > > > > > > > > >If this is not obvious to you, then I cannot help you or no > > > one can answer > > > >you.... > > > > > > Another brillant but useless answer from one of this group's > > > moderators! > > > > This group isn't moderated. It is 100% volunteer unpaid > contribution. > > Chris Faylor et al from Redhat listen in but aren't involved in the > > development (unless you lot just got a lot of time ? :-]). So > > thanks for > > your brilliant, inspired response that will get everyone > assisting you > > in this project. > > Nuff Said. > > > > > It would be helpful if the moderators of this list were > > more tolerant > > > potential users, no matter what their skill set, of the > > > exciting tools that > > > this group provides. Insulting people who pose naive > > > questions is not a to > > > encourage new users. So PLEASE cool your jets and be MORE > TOLERANT. > > > > Yes. Like you? The X-Server port has only just reached > stablility - at > > this point this is the development group, not a support group. > > > > > >Sorry, this questions cannot be included in FAQ, it is too > > > redumentary. > > > > > > This is precisely the type of basic question that should be > > > in an FAQ - they > > > are for use by experienced users and newbies. > > > > As I said.. I agree > > > > Rob > > > From syjef@mail.mdanderson.org Fri Oct 27 07:00:00 2000 From: syjef@mail.mdanderson.org (Jonathan Fosburgh) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:00:00 -0000 Subject: Qt/KDE on 1.1.4 Message-ID: <873dhi75bd.wl@jef-nt.mdacc.tmc.edu> I would like to compile at least a few KDE components (kdenetwork) on Cygwin. I have seen some people attempt this in the past but there does not seem to be much traffic on this. I have noticed in trying to get KDE2 to compile on FreeBSD that it does offer at least some Cygwin support, but my first obstacle is Qt. Has anyone had success with getting Qt Free Edition to compile on Cygwin+X? Do I need to get the Windows version in order to do this? Thanks in advance for your help. -- Jonathan Fosburgh Open Systems Communications and Computer Services UT MD Anderson Cancer Center Houston, TX From j.j.ita@siep.shell.com Fri Oct 27 07:18:00 2000 From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com (j.j.ita@siep.shell.com) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:18:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) Message-ID: Harold, I go the same error as everyone else on an NT machine (no surprise). Sorry about the delay, but living in the Netherlands often precludes me making the immediate response you would like ( and who wouldn't :-) ). Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com > [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 7:57 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & > NT/2000) > > > You can download a test replacement for XWin.exe and > xf_dx.dll from one of > the following: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/test > > I would download from MSU, as it's nice and fast; plus, my > tuition should be > good for something, eh? :) > > Before you extract, be sure to backup your original XWin.exe > and xf_dx.dll > files. > > Extract the test archive like so: > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > Edit your /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.bat file to contain the > following line, > where %WIDTH% is the desired window width, %HEIGHT% is the > desired window > height, and %DEPTH% is your current display depth, in bits > (not the number > of colors, e.g. 16 bits instead of 65536 colors or 8 bits > instead of 256 > colors): > start XWin -screen 0 %WIDTH%x%HEIGHT%x%DEPTH% > > An example configuration would be like follows: > start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 > > Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory in > addition to the > video memory required for your current display resolution and > depth. Your > window size should require no more video memory than you > currently have > free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to > ensure success. > Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get > XWin to start > (don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file in > synch with > your current display depth). > > Feedback: > Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, > language). > Please post to the list if the test does not work for you > (include your OS, > video card info, and language). > Please post your suggestions to the list. > Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) > > Enjoy, > > Harold > From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Fri Oct 27 07:19:00 2000 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:19:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A786@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Harold Hunt wrote: > > Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory in addition to the > video memory required for your current display resolution and depth. Your > window size should require no more video memory than you currently have > free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to ensure success. > Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get XWin to start > (don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file in synch with > your current display depth). > > Feedback: > Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, > language). > Please post to the list if the test does not work for you (include your OS, > video card info, and language). > Please post your suggestions to the list. > Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) W98 Athlon, Matrox G400 16MB, german keyboard, german language settings - XServer worked in 16bpp, but colors are distorted - Modes tested: 800x600x16, 640x480x16 - Mouse worked fine - XDMCP works ;-) - XServer crashed after session was closed - Keyboard mapping was nearly ok, but ALT worked not W98 PentiumMMX, C&T65550 2MB, german keyboard and language setttings - Colors are distorted again - 8bpp draws horizontal scaled by 0.5 - Mouse worked fine - XDMCP works - Keyboard worked only in XDMCP login-screen, later completely wired keyboard maping - tested modes 640x480x16, 640x480x8 -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From claus.hentschel@mbau.fh-hannover.de Fri Oct 27 08:23:00 2000 From: claus.hentschel@mbau.fh-hannover.de (Claus Hentschel) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:23:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree on Win98? Message-ID: <004601c04029$c29734a0$dc7314d5@de> I am running Win98SE, my display adapter is a Matrox Millenium G400 and my display is a 17"-95kHz monitor! Cygwin is installed completely but root is mounted in textmode! I have installed all archives from the ftp server and I am running the current release of Cygwin. But when invoking startxwin.bat, i.e.: ====================================== @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 SET PATH=.;C:\Cygwin\bin;.;C:\Cygwin\usr\local\bin;C:\Cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;%PATH % start XWin -screen 8 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 start xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black start rxvt -fn "Lucidia Console-12" start vtwm ====================================== by double clicking in Explorer some dos windows do appear and after a short while the X11 screen comes up with the X-cross centered on the screen. At this time no keyboard nor any mouse movement can be made. The system does hang completely, so the only thing to do is power off! The same thing (but without those dos-windows ;) happens when I invoke startxwin out of may bash window! Has anyone Xfree X-server running on WIn98? And did this one has to fix similar problems? Or has anybody any setting which can help the X-server to run? Claus From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri Oct 27 08:28:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:28:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree on Win98? References: <004601c04029$c29734a0$dc7314d5@de> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215162F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> At present Windows 98/95 are not supported. You should cosnider reading FAQ and mail archives please! You may consider using X-server-1.0 archive from "contrib" directory. It is not based upon XFree86, and uses no Cygwin, but should work on Windows 95/98 in Single-Windowed mode. It should be installed in \usr not c:\cygwin\usr\X11R6 directory... just to warn you before you start posting without reading FAQ and doing a search on mail archives. Suhaib > > I am running Win98SE, my display adapter is a Matrox > Millenium G400 and my > display is a 17"-95kHz monitor! Cygwin is installed > completely but root is > mounted in textmode! > > I have installed all archives from the ftp server and I am running the > current release of Cygwin. But when invoking startxwin.bat, i.e.: > ====================================== > @echo off > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > SET > PATH=.;C:\Cygwin\bin;.;C:\Cygwin\usr\local\bin;C:\Cygwin\usr\X > 11R6\bin;%PATH > % > start XWin -screen 8 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > start xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black > start rxvt -fn "Lucidia Console-12" > start vtwm > ====================================== > > by double clicking in Explorer some dos windows do appear and > after a short > while the X11 screen comes up with the X-cross centered on > the screen. At > this time no keyboard nor any mouse movement can be made. The > system does > hang completely, so the only thing to do is power off! > > The same thing (but without those dos-windows ;) happens when I invoke > startxwin out of may bash window! > > Has anyone Xfree X-server running on WIn98? And did this one > has to fix > similar problems? Or has anybody any setting which can help > the X-server to > run? > > Claus > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri Oct 27 09:28:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:28:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree on Win98? References: <001401c04031$b7c09280$4b03e03e@de> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151630@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > First of all: Thanx for the prompt answer! > > > At present Windows 98/95 are not supported. You should > cosnider reading > FAQ > > and mail archives please! > > This stands in contrast with what I have read in the FAQ. > There is written > that it is possible to run it on Win98 when installing the archive > 'XWin-Win9x-Me.tar.bz2' (Why does this exist?)! I am not aware of this comment in FAQ. I did a word search on FAQ and could not find it. Can you cut and paste that part from FAQ, may be I am missing something? Maybe, you are quoting from one of the mail from archives. It was posted by me only for test purposes and is known not to work on Win9x. > > > You may consider using X-server-1.0 archive from "contrib" > directory. It > is > > not based > > upon XFree86, and uses no Cygwin, but should work on > Windows 95/98 in > > Single-Windowed mode. > > > > It should be installed in \usr not c:\cygwin\usr\X11R6 > directory... just > to > > warn you before > > you start posting without reading FAQ and doing a search on > mail archives. > > I had installed that version before and it runs (very > sloooooow) but it is > obviously not able to handle more complex clients like LyX > but only very > simple clients like xterm! That's not what I am looking for! Yes, it can be bit slow, but it not correct it can handle only simple clients like xterm and oclock etc. Have a look at screen shot at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/screen.jpg It has IBM OpenDX, which is certainly one of the most complicated 3D Visualizer. In the background, the black window belongs to one of the 3D Protein Chemistry application. > > So do I have to switch to M$ Window$ 2000 instead? Or can I > to wait (how > long?) for a version for Win98 from Xfree? We can not give a time frame, sorry! Harold is working on and a couple of others too. It is an open source project and work is done by contributors in spare time therefore we cannot give you any time frame... Suhaib > > Claus > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Fri Oct 27 09:51:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:51:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2 000) Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A792@ENTERPRISE> Is your current bit depth really 8 bits? Just wondering, Harold -----Original Message----- From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 8:47 PM To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2 000) harold, It did not work. I am sure there are problems with xf_dx.dll. On startup, a small window blinks and disappears if, starxwin.bat file is used to boot X-server. Using startx from a bash shell, I get the following: _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired pwin->width = 00000280 Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000280 Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000008 Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 If I replace your modified XWin.exe with mine (default one from archive) the error is still same, which means probelms are in xf_dx.dll. Because, I do not have your changes to source code, yet, I could not debug it. I get same results on Win98, Win Me, Win2K and WinNT 4.0. Suhaib From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Fri Oct 27 10:04:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:04:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2 000) Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A793@ENTERPRISE> I'd appreciate it if people with failures would send in their 'start XWin.exe' line from their startxwin.bat file, as well as a simple report of their current display resolution and depth; that would really help in determining if the problems are due to configuration settings or if the problems are part of the server. Well, the results are kinda dismal, eh? But, at least one person got the dll and the server to work on Windows 98 machines... so I know something is right. Also, I'm able to start the server on my Windows 2000 and Windows 98 machines here, so I know that the files do work; I'm guessing that most people are running into configuration problems. Let me reiterate that -screen 0 settings are the only settings that are going to be read for most installations of Cygwin/XFree86. -screen 1 through -screen 8 are only read if you have more than one screen being started. Therefore, make sure that your startxwin.bat file passes parameters for -screen 0. I might see about throwing in auto detection of the current display depth... that would probably fix some people's problems. One more thing, don't forget to try ultra-tiny window sizes to see if you can get them to work; I would try something like: start XWin.exe -screen 0 100x100x%DEPTH% Thanks for testing, Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri Oct 27 10:11:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:11:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2 000) References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A792@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151631@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> I will recheck. Maybe not set to 8bits. Are you forcing 8 bits display? I was tried and overlooked the last line from out put. Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000008 Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:47 PM > To: 'Suhaib Siddiqi'; 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & > NT/2 000) > > > Is your current bit depth really 8 bits? Just wondering, > > Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 8:47 PM > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & > NT/2 000) > > > harold, > It did not work. I am sure there are problems with xf_dx.dll. > On startup, a small window blinks and disappears if, > starxwin.bat file is > used to boot X-server. > > Using startx from a bash shell, I get the following: > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > Desired pwin->width = 00000280 > Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 > Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000280 > Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000008 > > Fatal server error: > Couldn't add screen 0 > > > If I replace your modified XWin.exe with mine (default one > from archive) > the error is still same, which means probelms are in > xf_dx.dll. Because, I > do not have your changes to source code, yet, I could not debug it. > > I get same results on Win98, Win Me, Win2K and WinNT 4.0. > > Suhaib > From francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr Fri Oct 27 10:13:00 2000 From: francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr (Francis VIVAT) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:13:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A786@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <1c6201c04039$3597fac0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Hi, NT4 FR SP6 / Nvidia TNT2 M64 / French Keyboard DELL Optiplex GX1p $ XWin.exe -screen 0 640x480x16 _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired pwin->width = 00000280 Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000500 Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000010 cannot load xf_dx.dll :-( With original one, it worked for me (except for the keyboard mapping) CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Harold Hunt" ???? : "Cygx (E-mail)" Envoy???? : jeudi 26 octobre 2000 19:57 Objet : [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) > You can download a test replacement for XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll from one of > the following: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/test > > I would download from MSU, as it's nice and fast; plus, my tuition should be > good for something, eh? :) > > Before you extract, be sure to backup your original XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll > files. > > Extract the test archive like so: > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > Edit your /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.bat file to contain the following line, > where %WIDTH% is the desired window width, %HEIGHT% is the desired window > height, and %DEPTH% is your current display depth, in bits (not the number > of colors, e.g. 16 bits instead of 65536 colors or 8 bits instead of 256 > colors): > start XWin -screen 0 %WIDTH%x%HEIGHT%x%DEPTH% > > An example configuration would be like follows: > start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 > > Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory in addition to the > video memory required for your current display resolution and depth. Your > window size should require no more video memory than you currently have > free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to ensure success. > Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get XWin to start > (don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file in synch with > your current display depth). > > Feedback: > Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, > language). > Please post to the list if the test does not work for you (include your OS, > video card info, and language). > Please post your suggestions to the list. > Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) > > Enjoy, > > Harold > > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Fri Oct 27 10:15:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:15:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A794@ENTERPRISE> Was that last line "cannot load xf_dx.dll" an error message? Harold -----Original Message----- From: Francis VIVAT [ mailto:francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr ] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:13 PM To: Harold Hunt; Cygx (E-mail) Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) Hi, NT4 FR SP6 / Nvidia TNT2 M64 / French Keyboard DELL Optiplex GX1p $ XWin.exe -screen 0 640x480x16 _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired pwin->width = 00000280 Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000500 Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000010 cannot load xf_dx.dll :-( With original one, it worked for me (except for the keyboard mapping) CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Harold Hunt" ???? : "Cygx (E-mail)" Envoy???? : jeudi 26 octobre 2000 19:57 Objet : [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) > You can download a test replacement for XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll from one of > the following: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/test > > I would download from MSU, as it's nice and fast; plus, my tuition should be > good for something, eh? :) > > Before you extract, be sure to backup your original XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll > files. > > Extract the test archive like so: > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > Edit your /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.bat file to contain the following line, > where %WIDTH% is the desired window width, %HEIGHT% is the desired window > height, and %DEPTH% is your current display depth, in bits (not the number > of colors, e.g. 16 bits instead of 65536 colors or 8 bits instead of 256 > colors): > start XWin -screen 0 %WIDTH%x%HEIGHT%x%DEPTH% > > An example configuration would be like follows: > start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 > > Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory in addition to the > video memory required for your current display resolution and depth. Your > window size should require no more video memory than you currently have > free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to ensure success. > Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get XWin to start > (don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file in synch with > your current display depth). > > Feedback: > Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, > language). > Please post to the list if the test does not work for you (include your OS, > video card info, and language). > Please post your suggestions to the list. > Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) > > Enjoy, > > Harold > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri Oct 27 10:18:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:18:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) References: <1c6201c04039$3597fac0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151632@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Hi, > > NT4 FR SP6 / Nvidia TNT2 M64 / French Keyboard > DELL Optiplex GX1p > > $ XWin.exe -screen 0 640x480x16 > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > Desired pwin->width = 00000280 > Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 > Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000500 > Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000010 > cannot load xf_dx.dll > > :-( > > With original one, it worked for me (except for the keyboard mapping) Is xf_dx.dll in the /usr/X11R6/bin directory/ Just checking. Suhaib > > CU > . \)|(/ > . (o o) > . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ > .(_| Francis VIVAT | > . | CETP-CNRS | > . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | > . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | > . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ > . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) > . \---------------------------------------------------/ > . (_) (_) > > > > > > ----- Message d'origine ----- > De : "Harold Hunt" > ???? : "Cygx (E-mail)" > Envoy???? : jeudi 26 octobre 2000 19:57 > Objet : [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test > (Win9x & NT/2000) > > > > You can download a test replacement for XWin.exe and > xf_dx.dll from one of > > the following: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/test > > > > I would download from MSU, as it's nice and fast; plus, my > tuition should be > > good for something, eh? :) > > > > Before you extract, be sure to backup your original > XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll > > files. > > > > Extract the test archive like so: > > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > > > Edit your /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.bat file to contain the > following line, > > where %WIDTH% is the desired window width, %HEIGHT% is the > desired window > > height, and %DEPTH% is your current display depth, in bits > (not the number > > of colors, e.g. 16 bits instead of 65536 colors or 8 bits > instead of 256 > > colors): > > start XWin -screen 0 %WIDTH%x%HEIGHT%x%DEPTH% > > > > An example configuration would be like follows: > > start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 > > > > Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory > in addition to the > > video memory required for your current display resolution > and depth. Your > > window size should require no more video memory than you > currently have > > free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to > ensure success. > > Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get > XWin to start > > (don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file > in synch with > > your current display depth). > > > > Feedback: > > Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, > > language). > > Please post to the list if the test does not work for you > (include your OS, > > video card info, and language). > > Please post your suggestions to the list. > > Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Harold > > > > > From francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr Fri Oct 27 10:34:00 2000 From: francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr (Francis VIVAT) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:34:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151632@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <1c9201c0403c$308a0160$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Yes, I used exactly the mail ANNOUNCEMENT (lazy cut&paste) cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin cd /usr/X11R6/bin mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar Then, I got the message in my first mail. I tried with test Xwin.exe and old xf_dx.dll. X is starting, but keyboard and mouse are kind of erratic (how unexpected !! ;-) CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Suhaib Siddiqi" ???? : "Cygx (E-mail)" Envoy???? : vendredi 27 octobre 2000 19:17 Objet : RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) > > > > > Hi, > > > > NT4 FR SP6 / Nvidia TNT2 M64 / French Keyboard > > DELL Optiplex GX1p > > > > $ XWin.exe -screen 0 640x480x16 > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > > Desired pwin->width = 00000280 > > Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 > > Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000500 > > Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000010 > > cannot load xf_dx.dll > > > > :-( > > > > With original one, it worked for me (except for the keyboard mapping) > > Is xf_dx.dll in the /usr/X11R6/bin directory/ Just checking. > > Suhaib > > > > > CU > > . \)|(/ > > . (o o) > > . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ > > .(_| Francis VIVAT | > > . | CETP-CNRS | > > . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | > > . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | > > . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ > > . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) > > . \---------------------------------------------------/ > > . (_) (_) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Message d'origine ----- > > De : "Harold Hunt" > > ???? : "Cygx (E-mail)" > > Envoy???? : jeudi 26 octobre 2000 19:57 > > Objet : [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test > > (Win9x & NT/2000) > > > > > > > You can download a test replacement for XWin.exe and > > xf_dx.dll from one of > > > the following: > > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > > ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/test > > > > > > I would download from MSU, as it's nice and fast; plus, my > > tuition should be > > > good for something, eh? :) > > > > > > Before you extract, be sure to backup your original > > XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll > > > files. > > > > > > Extract the test archive like so: > > > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > > > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > > > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > > > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > > > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > > > > > Edit your /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.bat file to contain the > > following line, > > > where %WIDTH% is the desired window width, %HEIGHT% is the > > desired window > > > height, and %DEPTH% is your current display depth, in bits > > (not the number > > > of colors, e.g. 16 bits instead of 65536 colors or 8 bits > > instead of 256 > > > colors): > > > start XWin -screen 0 %WIDTH%x%HEIGHT%x%DEPTH% > > > > > > An example configuration would be like follows: > > > start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 > > > > > > Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory > > in addition to the > > > video memory required for your current display resolution > > and depth. Your > > > window size should require no more video memory than you > > currently have > > > free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to > > ensure success. > > > Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get > > XWin to start > > > (don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file > > in synch with > > > your current display depth). > > > > > > Feedback: > > > Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, > > > language). > > > Please post to the list if the test does not work for you > > (include your OS, > > > video card info, and language). > > > Please post your suggestions to the list. > > > Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) > > > > > > Enjoy, > > > > > > Harold > > > > > > > > > > From francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr Fri Oct 27 10:35:00 2000 From: francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr (Francis VIVAT) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:35:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A794@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <1ca001c0403c$440bbfd0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Yes. CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Harold Hunt" ???? : "'Francis VIVAT'" ; "Cygx (E-mail)" Envoy???? : vendredi 27 octobre 2000 19:10 Objet : RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) > Was that last line "cannot load xf_dx.dll" an error message? > > Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francis VIVAT [ mailto:francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr ] > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:13 PM > To: Harold Hunt; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & > NT/2000) > > > Hi, > > NT4 FR SP6 / Nvidia TNT2 M64 / French Keyboard > DELL Optiplex GX1p > > $ XWin.exe -screen 0 640x480x16 > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > Desired pwin->width = 00000280 > Desired pwin->height = 000001e0 > Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000500 > Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000010 > cannot load xf_dx.dll > > :-( > > With original one, it worked for me (except for the keyboard mapping) > > CU > . \)|(/ > . (o o) > . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ > .(_| Francis VIVAT | > . | CETP-CNRS | > . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | > . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | > . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ > . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) > . \---------------------------------------------------/ > . (_) (_) > > > > > > ----- Message d'origine ----- > De : "Harold Hunt" > ???? : "Cygx (E-mail)" > Envoy???? : jeudi 26 octobre 2000 19:57 > Objet : [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) > > > > You can download a test replacement for XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll from one of > > the following: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin/xfree/test > > > > I would download from MSU, as it's nice and fast; plus, my tuition should > be > > good for something, eh? :) > > > > Before you extract, be sure to backup your original XWin.exe and xf_dx.dll > > files. > > > > Extract the test archive like so: > > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > > > Edit your /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.bat file to contain the following line, > > where %WIDTH% is the desired window width, %HEIGHT% is the desired window > > height, and %DEPTH% is your current display depth, in bits (not the number > > of colors, e.g. 16 bits instead of 65536 colors or 8 bits instead of 256 > > colors): > > start XWin -screen 0 %WIDTH%x%HEIGHT%x%DEPTH% > > > > An example configuration would be like follows: > > start XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 > > > > Unfortunately, overlays must be allocated in video memory in addition to > the > > video memory required for your current display resolution and depth. Your > > window size should require no more video memory than you currently have > > free, so be sure to start off with small window sizes to ensure success. > > Try decreasing your current display depth if you cannot get XWin to start > > (don't forget to keep the depth in your startxwin.bat file in synch with > > your current display depth). > > > > Feedback: > > Please post to the list if the test works for you (include your OS, > > language). > > Please post to the list if the test does not work for you (include your > OS, > > video card info, and language). > > Please post your suggestions to the list. > > Please try not to be overly critical, as this is just a test :) > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Harold > > > > > From lebarre@us.ibm.com Fri Oct 27 11:11:00 2000 From: lebarre@us.ibm.com (lebarre@us.ibm.com) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:11:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree on Win98? Message-ID: <85256985.0063E321.00@D51MTA08.pok.ibm.com> That's IT! I'm tired of all this fucking bickering and backstabbing. I'm outta here. To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com cc: Subject: RE: Xfree on Win98? At present Windows 98/95 are not supported. You should cosnider reading FAQ and mail archives please! You may consider using X-server-1.0 archive from "contrib" directory. It is not based upon XFree86, and uses no Cygwin, but should work on Windows 95/98 in Single-Windowed mode. It should be installed in \usr not c:\cygwin\usr\X11R6 directory... just to warn you before you start posting without reading FAQ and doing a search on mail archives. Suhaib > > I am running Win98SE, my display adapter is a Matrox > Millenium G400 and my > display is a 17"-95kHz monitor! Cygwin is installed > completely but root is > mounted in textmode! > > I have installed all archives from the ftp server and I am running the > current release of Cygwin. But when invoking startxwin.bat, i.e.: > ====================================== > @echo off > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > SET > PATH=.;C:\Cygwin\bin;.;C:\Cygwin\usr\local\bin;C:\Cygwin\usr\X > 11R6\bin;%PATH > % > start XWin -screen 8 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > start xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black > start rxvt -fn "Lucidia Console-12" > start vtwm > ====================================== > > by double clicking in Explorer some dos windows do appear and > after a short > while the X11 screen comes up with the X-cross centered on > the screen. At > this time no keyboard nor any mouse movement can be made. The > system does > hang completely, so the only thing to do is power off! > > The same thing (but without those dos-windows ;) happens when I invoke > startxwin out of may bash window! > > Has anyone Xfree X-server running on WIn98? And did this one > has to fix > similar problems? Or has anybody any setting which can help > the X-server to > run? > > Claus > > From francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr Fri Oct 27 11:15:00 2000 From: francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr (Francis VIVAT) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:15:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree on Win98? References: <85256985.0063E321.00@D51MTA08.pok.ibm.com> Message-ID: <1d1201c04041$cba73a00$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> ?? (8-O . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) ----- Message d'origine ----- De : ???? : Envoy???? : vendredi 27 octobre 2000 20:10 Objet : RE: Xfree on Win98? > That's IT! > > I'm tired of all this fucking bickering and backstabbing. I'm outta here. > > > > > > > > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > cc: > Subject: RE: Xfree on Win98? > > > > > > At present Windows 98/95 are not supported. You should cosnider reading > FAQ > and mail archives please! > > You may consider using X-server-1.0 archive from "contrib" directory. It > is > not based > upon XFree86, and uses no Cygwin, but should work on Windows 95/98 in > Single-Windowed mode. > > It should be installed in \usr not c:\cygwin\usr\X11R6 directory... just to > warn you before > you start posting without reading FAQ and doing a search on mail archives. > > Suhaib > > > > > I am running Win98SE, my display adapter is a Matrox > > Millenium G400 and my > > display is a 17"-95kHz monitor! Cygwin is installed > > completely but root is > > mounted in textmode! > > > > I have installed all archives from the ftp server and I am running the > > current release of Cygwin. But when invoking startxwin.bat, i.e.: > > ====================================== > > @echo off > > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > > SET > > PATH=.;C:\Cygwin\bin;.;C:\Cygwin\usr\local\bin;C:\Cygwin\usr\X > > 11R6\bin;%PATH > > % > > start XWin -screen 8 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > > start xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black > > start rxvt -fn "Lucidia Console-12" > > start vtwm > > ====================================== > > > > by double clicking in Explorer some dos windows do appear and > > after a short > > while the X11 screen comes up with the X-cross centered on > > the screen. At > > this time no keyboard nor any mouse movement can be made. The > > system does > > hang completely, so the only thing to do is power off! > > > > The same thing (but without those dos-windows ;) happens when I invoke > > startxwin out of may bash window! > > > > Has anyone Xfree X-server running on WIn98? And did this one > > has to fix > > similar problems? Or has anybody any setting which can help > > the X-server to > > run? > > > > Claus > > > > > > > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri Oct 27 11:18:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:18:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree on Win98? References: <1d1201c04041$cba73a00$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151634@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> This thread is dead. There are nettiquests about using decent language. I have now submitted all his previous and present correspondence to IBM System Administrators. I will let them deal with him and have them teach him to use decent language. We do not need users who use abussive langauge. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Francis VIVAT [ mailto:francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr ] > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 2:15 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Re: Xfree on Win98? > > > ?? > > (8-O > > . \)|(/ > . (o o) > . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ > .(_| Francis VIVAT | > . | CETP-CNRS | > . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | > . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | > . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ > . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) > . \---------------------------------------------------/ > . (_) (_) > > > > ----- Message d'origine ----- > De : > ???? : > Envoy???? : vendredi 27 octobre 2000 20:10 > Objet : RE: Xfree on Win98? > > > > That's IT! > > > > I'm tired of all this fucking bickering and backstabbing. > I'm outta here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > > cc: > > Subject: RE: Xfree on Win98? > > > > > > > > > > > > At present Windows 98/95 are not supported. You should > cosnider reading > > FAQ > > and mail archives please! > > > > You may consider using X-server-1.0 archive from "contrib" > directory. It > > is > > not based > > upon XFree86, and uses no Cygwin, but should work on > Windows 95/98 in > > Single-Windowed mode. > > > > It should be installed in \usr not c:\cygwin\usr\X11R6 > directory... just to > > warn you before > > you start posting without reading FAQ and doing a search on > mail archives. > > > > Suhaib > > > > > > > > I am running Win98SE, my display adapter is a Matrox > > > Millenium G400 and my > > > display is a 17"-95kHz monitor! Cygwin is installed > > > completely but root is > > > mounted in textmode! > > > > > > I have installed all archives from the ftp server and I > am running the > > > current release of Cygwin. But when invoking startxwin.bat, i.e.: > > > ====================================== > > > @echo off > > > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > > > SET > > > PATH=.;C:\Cygwin\bin;.;C:\Cygwin\usr\local\bin;C:\Cygwin\usr\X > > > 11R6\bin;%PATH > > > % > > > start XWin -screen 8 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > > > start xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black > > > start rxvt -fn "Lucidia Console-12" > > > start vtwm > > > ====================================== > > > > > > by double clicking in Explorer some dos windows do appear and > > > after a short > > > while the X11 screen comes up with the X-cross centered on > > > the screen. At > > > this time no keyboard nor any mouse movement can be made. The > > > system does > > > hang completely, so the only thing to do is power off! > > > > > > The same thing (but without those dos-windows ;) happens > when I invoke > > > startxwin out of may bash window! > > > > > > Has anyone Xfree X-server running on WIn98? And did this one > > > has to fix > > > similar problems? Or has anybody any setting which can help > > > the X-server to > > > run? > > > > > > Claus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri Oct 27 17:18:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:18:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin URL update request! Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215163A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Robert, I assume this weekend or next week you might update Cygwin/XFree86 web pages. I have a few requests: 1) Please add John Fortin names back to Developers list, also remove all the NOTES saying John Fortin left the project for personal reasons or not actively particpating! PLEASE WELCOME HIM BACK TO THE PROJECT. 2) Please add Harold Hunt to developers list. 3) Modify FAQ as you like. Thanks Suhaib From fortinj@attglobal.net Sat Oct 28 06:52:00 2000 From: fortinj@attglobal.net (fortinj@attglobal.net) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 06:52:00 -0000 Subject: CVS Build broken? Message-ID: <39FADAF6.62FC7FA9@attglobal.net> I just downloaded the Latest CVS Tree. There seem to be several problems... 1) make[2]: Entering directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' making imake with BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= in config/imake gcc -c -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 `./ccimake` imake.c imake.c:1192: Invalid token in expression make[2]: *** [imake.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' make[1]: *** [imake.proto] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc' make: *** [World] Error 2 gcc does not seem to recognize the line continuation character '\' after 'fixing' 2) make[1]: Entering directory `/cvs/xc' cd ./config/imake && make - --unix -w -f Makefile.ini BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS="" CC="gcc" make[2]: Entering directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' making imake with BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= in config/imake gcc -c -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 `./ccimake` imake.c gcc -o imake -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 imake.o make[2]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' rm -f ./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto ./config/imake/imake -I./config/cf -s ./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto -f ./config/makedepend/Imakefile -DTOPDIR=../.. -DCURDIR=./config/makedepend In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:41, from Imakefile.c:8: config/cf/site.def:64: Invalid token in expression ******** Same as #1 In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:90, from Imakefile.c:8: config/cf/cygwin.cf:43: warning: `HasGcc' redefined Imakefile.c:2: warning: this is the location of the previous definition config/cf/cygwin.cf:44: warning: `HasGcc2' redefined Imakefile.c:3: warning: this is the location of the previous definition In file included from config/cf/cygwin.cf:169, from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:90, from Imakefile.c:8: config/cf/xfree86.cf:910: Invalid token in expression ******** Same as #1 In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:222, from Imakefile.c:8: config/cf/Imake.rules:3189: macro `LinkBuildNamedModule' used with too many (3) args config/cf/Imake.rules:1576: unterminated `#if' conditional In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:1690, from Imakefile.c:8: /tmp/IIf.001155:87: unterminated `#ifdef' conditional ./config/imake/imake: Exit code 1. Stop. make[1]: *** [config/makedepend/Makefile.proto] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc' make: *** [World] Error 2 At this point I can't get any farther. John From cgf@redhat.com Sat Oct 28 09:03:00 2000 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 09:03:00 -0000 Subject: CVS Build broken? References: <39FADAF6.62FC7FA9@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <20001028120336.B30509@redhat.com> On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 09:56:06AM -0400, fortinj@attglobal.net wrote: >I just downloaded the Latest CVS Tree. > >There seem to be several problems... > >1) >make[2]: Entering directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' >making imake with BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= in config/imake >gcc -c -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 `./ccimake` >imake.c >imake.c:1192: Invalid token in expression >make[2]: *** [imake.o] Error 1 >make[2]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' >make[1]: *** [imake.proto] Error 2 >make[1]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc' >make: *** [World] Error 2 > >gcc does not seem to recognize the line continuation character '\' You may want to try the "Test" release of gcc. It will probably solve this problem. Just run setup.exe and click on the little arrow thingy until the "Test" release of gcc shows up and install that. This version of gcc should eliminate the cpp problem where a '\' shows up before a \r\n. Welcome back, John! cgf From fortinj@attglobal.net Sat Oct 28 12:01:00 2000 From: fortinj@attglobal.net (fortinj@attglobal.net) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:01:00 -0000 Subject: CVS Build broken? References: <39FADAF6.62FC7FA9@attglobal.net> <20001028120336.B30509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <39FB2390.55888D9C@attglobal.net> Christopher Faylor wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 09:56:06AM -0400, fortinj@attglobal.net wrote: > >I just downloaded the Latest CVS Tree. > > > >There seem to be several problems... > > > >1) > >make[2]: Entering directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' > >making imake with BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= in config/imake > >gcc -c -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 `./ccimake` > >imake.c > >imake.c:1192: Invalid token in expression > >make[2]: *** [imake.o] Error 1 > >make[2]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' > >make[1]: *** [imake.proto] Error 2 > >make[1]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc' > >make: *** [World] Error 2 > > > >gcc does not seem to recognize the line continuation character '\' > > You may want to try the "Test" release of gcc. It will probably solve > this problem. > > Just run setup.exe and click on the little arrow thingy until the "Test" > release of gcc shows up and install that. > > This version of gcc should eliminate the cpp problem where a '\' shows > up before a \r\n. > > Welcome back, John! > > cgf Thanks Chris, I'll give it a try... John From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 29 05:35:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 05:35:00 -0000 Subject: CVS Build broken? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215163B@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> John, Yesterday, XF86 4.0.1d was released for internal use. The fixes I submitted, including Harold patches were incorporated. Could you try a cvs update please? If still it gives the problems, let me know, I will download CVS tree and try to fix the problems. Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: fortinj@attglobal.net To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com Sent: 10/28/2000 9:56 AM Subject: CVS Build broken? I just downloaded the Latest CVS Tree. There seem to be several problems... 1) make[2]: Entering directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' making imake with BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= in config/imake gcc -c -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 `./ccimake` imake.c imake.c:1192: Invalid token in expression make[2]: *** [imake.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' make[1]: *** [imake.proto] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc' make: *** [World] Error 2 gcc does not seem to recognize the line continuation character '\' after 'fixing' 2) make[1]: Entering directory `/cvs/xc' cd ./config/imake && make - --unix -w -f Makefile.ini BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS="" CC="gcc" make[2]: Entering directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' making imake with BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= in config/imake gcc -c -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 `./ccimake` imake.c gcc -o imake -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 imake.o make[2]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc/config/imake' rm -f ./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto ./config/imake/imake -I./config/cf -s ./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto -f ./config/makedepend/Imakefile -DTOPDIR=../.. -DCURDIR=./config/makedepend In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:41, from Imakefile.c:8: config/cf/site.def:64: Invalid token in expression ******** Same as #1 In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:90, from Imakefile.c:8: config/cf/cygwin.cf:43: warning: `HasGcc' redefined Imakefile.c:2: warning: this is the location of the previous definition config/cf/cygwin.cf:44: warning: `HasGcc2' redefined Imakefile.c:3: warning: this is the location of the previous definition In file included from config/cf/cygwin.cf:169, from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:90, from Imakefile.c:8: config/cf/xfree86.cf:910: Invalid token in expression ******** Same as #1 In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:222, from Imakefile.c:8: config/cf/Imake.rules:3189: macro `LinkBuildNamedModule' used with too many (3) args config/cf/Imake.rules:1576: unterminated `#if' conditional In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:1690, from Imakefile.c:8: /tmp/IIf.001155:87: unterminated `#ifdef' conditional ./config/imake/imake: Exit code 1. Stop. make[1]: *** [config/makedepend/Makefile.proto] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/cvs/xc' make: *** [World] Error 2 At this point I can't get any farther. John From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 29 05:39:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 05:39:00 -0000 Subject: FW: [Fwd: failure notice] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215163C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> John, Sorry, I was out of town yesterday. Suhaib PS: Patches from John. -----Original Message----- From: fortinj@attglobal.net To: Suhaib Siddiqi Sent: 10/28/2000 8:46 PM Subject: [Fwd: failure notice] Suhaib, Could you post this for me? John Here are two patches I created to allow me to compile ( so far) #1) cygwin.cf: get rid of already defined warnings for HasGcc and HasGcc2 #2) imake.c: does not handle #statement (#if, #endif, etc) if it is the only element on the line and there is a '\r' right after. John --------------C38FAC665E9B8C7253691683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="cygwin.cf.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="cygwin.cf.patch" 4,7c4,7 < XCOMM - avoided tons of "not in XXX directory" messages; < XCOMM - dlls are built stripped; < XCOMM - search for cpp in a default location; < XCOMM - fixed problem with missing netinet/tcp.h; --- > XCOMM - avoided tons of "not in XXX directory" messages; > XCOMM - dlls are built stripped; > XCOMM - search for cpp in a default location; > XCOMM - fixed problem with missing netinet/tcp.h; 9,11c9,11 < XCOMM - xterm compiles and works; < XCOMM - more libs are built as a DLLs; < XCOMM - all DLLs have different base addresses; --- > XCOMM - xterm compiles and works; > XCOMM - more libs are built as a DLLs; > XCOMM - all DLLs have different base addresses; 13c13 < XCOMM - dllwrap is used to build DLLs; --- > XCOMM - dllwrap is used to build DLLs; 15c15 < XCOMM - gcc -E is invoked instead of cpp; --- > XCOMM - gcc -E is invoked instead of cpp; 29c29 < #ifndef OSTeenyVersion 2 --- > #ifndef OSTeenyVersion 2 33c33 < XCOMM #define OSDefines -DSYSV -DSYSV386 --- > XCOMM #define OSDefines -DSYSV -DSYSV386 37c37 < #define BuildServer YES --- > #define BuildServer YES 42a43,45 > #ifdef HasGcc > #undef HasGcc > #endif 43a47,49 > #ifdef HasGcc2 > #undef HasGcc2 > #endif 52c58 < #define HasPoll NO --- > #define HasPoll NO 79c85 < #define DefaultGcc2i386Opt -O2 --- > #define DefaultGcc2i386Opt -O2 111c117 < #define ServerOSDefines XFree86ServerDefines -DDDXTIME -DFD_SETSIZE=256 -DDXOSINIT --- > #define ServerOSDefines XFree86ServerDefines -DDDXTIME -DFD_SETSIZE=256 -DDXOSINIT 115c121 < #define ExtraLibraries --- > #define ExtraLibraries --------------C38FAC665E9B8C7253691683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="imake.c.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="imake.c.patch" 1338,1377c1338,1377 < if (!(inFile = fopen(imakefile, "r"))) < LogFatal("Cannot open %s for input.", imakefile); < if (fstat(fileno(inFile), &st) < 0) < LogFatal("Cannot stat %s for size.", imakefile); < buf = Emalloc((int)st.st_size+3); < count = fread(buf + 2, 1, st.st_size, inFile); < if (count == 0 && st.st_size != 0) < LogFatal("Cannot read %s:", imakefile); < fclose(inFile); < buf[0] = '\n'; < buf[1] = '\n'; < buf[count + 2] = '\0'; < < punwritten = pbuf = buf + 2; < while (*pbuf) { < /* for compatibility, replace make comments for cpp */ < if (*pbuf == '#' && pbuf[-1] == '\n' && pbuf[-2] != '\\') { < ptoken = pbuf+1; < while (*ptoken == ' ' || *ptoken == '\t') < ptoken++; < pend = ptoken; < while (*pend && *pend != ' ' && *pend != '\t' && *pend != '\n') < pend++; < savec = *pend; < *pend = '\0'; < if (strcmp(ptoken, "define") && < strcmp(ptoken, "if") && < strcmp(ptoken, "ifdef") && < strcmp(ptoken, "ifndef") && < strcmp(ptoken, "include") && < strcmp(ptoken, "line") && < strcmp(ptoken, "else") && < strcmp(ptoken, "elif") && < strcmp(ptoken, "endif") && < strcmp(ptoken, "error") && < strcmp(ptoken, "pragma") && < strcmp(ptoken, "undef")) { < if (outFile == NULL) { < int fd; < tmpImakefile = Strdup(tmpImakefile); --- > if (!(inFile = fopen(imakefile, "r"))) > LogFatal("Cannot open %s for input.", imakefile); > if (fstat(fileno(inFile), &st) < 0) > LogFatal("Cannot stat %s for size.", imakefile); > buf = Emalloc((int)st.st_size+3); > count = fread(buf + 2, 1, st.st_size, inFile); > if (count == 0 && st.st_size != 0) > LogFatal("Cannot read %s:", imakefile); > fclose(inFile); > buf[0] = '\n'; > buf[1] = '\n'; > buf[count + 2] = '\0'; > > punwritten = pbuf = buf + 2; > while (*pbuf) { > /* for compatibility, replace make comments for cpp */ > if (*pbuf == '#' && pbuf[-1] == '\n' && pbuf[-2] != '\\') { > ptoken = pbuf+1; > while (*ptoken == ' ' || *ptoken == '\t') > ptoken++; > pend = ptoken; > while (*pend && *pend != ' ' && *pend != '\t' && *pend != '\n' && *pend != '\r') > pend++; > savec = *pend; > *pend = '\0'; > if (strcmp(ptoken, "define") && > strcmp(ptoken, "if") && > strcmp(ptoken, "ifdef") && > strcmp(ptoken, "ifndef") && > strcmp(ptoken, "include") && > strcmp(ptoken, "line") && > strcmp(ptoken, "else") && > strcmp(ptoken, "elif") && > strcmp(ptoken, "endif") && > strcmp(ptoken, "error") && > strcmp(ptoken, "pragma") && > strcmp(ptoken, "undef")) { > if (outFile == NULL) { > int fd; > tmpImakefile = Strdup(tmpImakefile); --------------C38FAC665E9B8C7253691683-- From fortinj@attglobal.net Sun Oct 29 10:04:00 2000 From: fortinj@attglobal.net (fortinj@attglobal.net) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:04:00 -0000 Subject: DOS vs Unix file endings Message-ID: <39FC668A.14AB168@attglobal.net> I've run across this twice now. Some of the files from cvs have dos line endings. The latest one I found is : xc/lib/xt/util/string.list. This causes a seg. fault in the following: ../../config/util/makestrs StringDefs.c during the 'make includes' of the Xt libs. Running a 'dtou' program fixed it. John From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 29 10:14:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:14:00 -0000 Subject: DOS vs Unix file endings Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215163E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> John, I will let xfree86.org folks know. I never had this problem before. It could have been due to latest patches applied to CVS. Previously, (a long time ago) I had this problem while doing a cvs checkout on a Windows NT machines. CVS on Widnows was inserting DOS file endings. Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: fortinj@attglobal.net To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com Sent: 10/29/2000 1:03 PM Subject: DOS vs Unix file endings I've run across this twice now. Some of the files from cvs have dos line endings. The latest one I found is : xc/lib/xt/util/string.list. This causes a seg. fault in the following: ../../config/util/makestrs StringDefs.c during the 'make includes' of the Xt libs. Running a 'dtou' program fixed it. John From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sun Oct 29 14:04:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:04:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin URL update request! Message-ID: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA642A@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> Done. :] > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Saturday, 28 October 2000 11:18 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Cygwin URL update request! > > > Robert, > > I assume this weekend or next week you might update Cygwin/XFree86 web > pages. > > I have a few requests: > > 1) Please add John Fortin names back to Developers list, also remove > all the NOTES saying John Fortin left the project for > personal reasons or > not actively particpating! > PLEASE WELCOME HIM BACK TO THE PROJECT. > > 2) Please add Harold Hunt to developers list. > > 3) Modify FAQ as you like. > > Thanks > Suhaib > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 29 14:47:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:47:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin URL update request! Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215163F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Thanks Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Robert Collins To: Suhaib Siddiqi; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Sent: 10/29/2000 5:02 PM Subject: RE: Cygwin URL update request! Done. :] > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Saturday, 28 October 2000 11:18 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Cygwin URL update request! > > > Robert, > > I assume this weekend or next week you might update Cygwin/XFree86 web > pages. > > I have a few requests: > > 1) Please add John Fortin names back to Developers list, also remove > all the NOTES saying John Fortin left the project for > personal reasons or > not actively particpating! > PLEASE WELCOME HIM BACK TO THE PROJECT. > > 2) Please add Harold Hunt to developers list. > > 3) Modify FAQ as you like. > > Thanks > Suhaib > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 29 15:39:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:39:00 -0000 Subject: URL update!!! Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151641@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Robert, A couple of suggestions. Can we remove the following from from Latest News? * John Fortin left the project for personal reasons. We are looking for more contributors to complete the XFree86 port. * A CVS access to Cygwin/XFree86 source tree is available. CVS access... under Latest News is sort of duplication of previous one. Message about John is contradictory to your first announcement. Thanks Suhaib From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sun Oct 29 15:45:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:45:00 -0000 Subject: URL update!!! Message-ID: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA642E@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Monday, 30 October 2000 10:39 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: URL update!!! > > > > Robert, > > A couple of suggestions. > > Can we remove the following from from Latest News? > > * John Fortin left the project for personal reasons. We are > looking for more > contributors to complete the XFree86 port. > > * A CVS access to Cygwin/XFree86 source tree is available. > > CVS access... under Latest News is sort of duplication of previous > one. > > Message about John is contradictory to your first announcement. No it's not: It's datestamped. As a set of news articles they are in reverse chronological order. If you are talking about a 'current status' - the body of the page has that. The note about bits of code being unsupported etc have all been removed & tidied. And the note at the top says John has re-joined... I'm happy to get rid of some of the older news articles... but it should be done on a date basis, not because the situation has changed (thats the reason the news articles are there :-] Rob > > Thanks > Suhaib > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun Oct 29 16:10:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:10:00 -0000 Subject: URL update!!! Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151642@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> As you like. We will need to remove older news at some pints or move them to under "Old News". I will leave upto you, how and when you want to do it. Thanks for you help Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Monday, 30 October 2000 10:39 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: URL update!!! > > > > Robert, > > A couple of suggestions. > > Can we remove the following from from Latest News? > > * John Fortin left the project for personal reasons. We are > looking for more > contributors to complete the XFree86 port. > > * A CVS access to Cygwin/XFree86 source tree is available. > > CVS access... under Latest News is sort of duplication of previous > one. > > Message about John is contradictory to your first announcement. No it's not: It's datestamped. As a set of news articles they are in reverse chronological order. If you are talking about a 'current status' - the body of the page has that. The note about bits of code being unsupported etc have all been removed & tidied. And the note at the top says John has re-joined... I'm happy to get rid of some of the older news articles... but it should be done on a date basis, not because the situation has changed (thats the reason the news articles are there :-] Rob > > Thanks > Suhaib > > From j.j.ita@siep.shell.com Mon Oct 30 04:38:00 2000 From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com (j.j.ita@siep.shell.com) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:38:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) Message-ID: Harold, Like Suhaib, I did not know that the color depth had to be 8 bits. On a Windows NT 4.0 (SP5) machine, I set my display to have and 8 bit color depth. I then executed the bat file: @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 SET PATH=%PATH%;C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;C:\cygwin\bin XWin -screen 0 128x128x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 and got: _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired pwin->width = 00000080 Desired pwin->height = 00000080 Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000080 Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000008 Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 Joel Ita From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon Oct 30 05:03:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:03:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) References: Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151647@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> It won't work on my nVidia GeForce2 GTS card, no matter which depth I set. The drivers are DirectX 7.0a. Harold, could you send your chamges to dlls, to me, please? I want to look at it. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com [ mailto:j.j.ita@siep.shell.com ] > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:37 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & > NT/2000) > > > Harold, > Like Suhaib, I did not know that the color depth had to > be 8 bits. > On a Windows NT 4.0 (SP5) machine, I set my display to have and 8 bit > color depth. I then executed the bat file: > > @echo off > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > SET PATH=%PATH%;C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;C:\cygwin\bin > XWin -screen 0 128x128x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > > and got: > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > Desired pwin->width = 00000080 > Desired pwin->height = 00000080 > Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000080 > Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000008 > > Fatal server error: > Couldn't add screen 0 > > Joel Ita > From lynchaj@yahoo.com Mon Oct 30 06:23:00 2000 From: lynchaj@yahoo.com (Andrew Lynch) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:23:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No Direct Input Test (Win9x & NT/2000) Message-ID: <20001030142311.16032.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Harold, others: I don't like coming out of lurk mode just to beat a dead horse but here are my test results on the latest Win9x build. Wish I had some better news. > Please post to the list if the test does not work > for you (include your OS, video card info, and > language). No, test does not work for me, error messages similar to others posted recently. :-( I am using Toshiba 335CDT w/96M RAM. C&T 65555 video chipset with 2M RAM. Running Win98SE and latest Cygwin (clean install from RH/Cygnus FTP). US English language I experimented with 24 bit, 16 bit, 8 bit color using 640x480 res and 800x600 res in Win98SE I tried starting XWin with 100X100, 128X128, 320X240, 640X480 resolution with 24, 16, 8, 4, and 1 bit settings. I tried many combinations of the above seeking some lowest common denominator mode that would work with no success (such as 640x480x8 in Win98SE and starting XWin with 128X128x8 mode). Basically, I got the same error messages as everyone else similar to XWin window: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired pwin->width = 00000080 Desired pwin->height = 00000080 Desired pwin->paddedWidth = 00000080 Desired pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000008 Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 Andrew Lynch lynchaj at yahoo dot com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Mon Oct 30 08:36:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:36:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 2 Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7A7@ENTERPRISE> I've rolled up a new tarball for you lucky testers... you can get the tarball at: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 I couldn't figure out, in certain terms, why the previous test failed on almost all but one tester's machine; so, I added the following features/fixes: 1) Check for hardware overlay support 2) Read the current display bit depth, use this value instead of the value passed on the command line 3) Check the available video memory and trim the overlay to fit 4) Get the size of the work area on the primary monitor and trim the overlay to fit 5) Failure messages for almost every function (should help pinpoint the trouble) Install per the previous test release instructions, repeated here for convenience: cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin cd /usr/X11R6/bin mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar Start with smaller display sizes (e.g. -screen 0 400x300x16). Don't fret about the bit depth command line parameter; you need to have a value on the command line as a place holder, but the value is ignored, as the actual bit depth is queried at run time. Good luck, happy testing, and please post your results to the list. Thanks in advance, Harold From margalit_gold@hotmail.com Mon Oct 30 12:48:00 2000 From: margalit_gold@hotmail.com (Yadin Goldschmidt) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:48:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and NoDirectInput Test 2 Message-ID: Harold, It does not work on NT4 service pack 6. error: cannot load xf_dx.dll although it is right there. Yadin. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Mon Oct 30 14:14:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:14:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and NoDirectInput Test 2 Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7AD@ENTERPRISE> Yadin, Could you run the following command from a Cygwin shell prompt and paste the results to the mailing list? ls /usr/X11R6/bin/xf_dxd.dll /usr/X11R6/bin/XWin.exe -l Thanks in advance, Harold -----Original Message----- From: Yadin Goldschmidt [ mailto:margalit_gold@hotmail.com ] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 3:48 PM To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and NoDirectInput Test 2 Harold, It does not work on NT4 service pack 6. error: cannot load xf_dx.dll although it is right there. Yadin. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon Oct 30 14:54:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:54:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and NoDirectInput Test 2 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C299B4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> try cd to /usr/X11R6/bin then chmod +x xf_dx.dll I remember from one of the very old post that one user machine NT was latering permissions when tar archives were extracted. I have not tested it myself. I will do tonight. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Yadin Goldschmidt [ mailto:margalit_gold@hotmail.com ] > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 3:48 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and NoDirectInput Test 2 > > > Harold, It does not work on NT4 service pack 6. > error: cannot load xf_dx.dll > although it is right there. > Yadin. > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com . > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com . > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Mon Oct 30 15:09:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:09:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7B1@ENTERPRISE> There seems to be problems loading the xf_dx.dll library, even though the file exists; I cannot see a relation between my modifications and the failure of the library to load, so I added a few debugging messages around the loading of the library to assist in debugging. The new tarball is once again available from: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 Once again, the installation instructions are: cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin cd /usr/X11R6/bin mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar Suhaib, John Fortin, and I removed recognized and removed several deprecated files from the xf_dx.dll source package; these files were being compiled in and removing them shaved 40 kB off the size of the compiled xf_dx.dll file. Special thanks to them for getting me to finally look into removing some useless files. Alas, adding a few debugging messages caused the size to go up 8kB, so the total shrink for this release of xf_dx.dll is 32 kB. I'm starting to think that there might be a problem in the way that I am tarballing the EXE and the DLL or in the instructions that I specify for untarballing them; I may be causing a problem with the xf_dx.dll being inaccessible to certain users, or, perhaps some versions of Windows need to have the executable attribute set on the DLL. Pipe up if you have any pointers or solutions. I test each release on a Windows 2000 machine and a Windows 98 machine before I post them; I don't have an NT 4 SP6 machine available, so I'd appreciate it if someone could give a quick works/doesn't work response for that platform. Enjoy, Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Mon Oct 30 17:01:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:01:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Message-ID: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA6435@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> Harold, Are you running with cygwin=ntsec? If you are not you cannot "set" the x bit. If you are then you _do_ need the x bit set. If you recall I posted a couple of headaches realted to this a while back when I first started using ntsec. when cygwin is set to ntsec, cygwin removes the ntfs execute permissions unless there is an x bit set, when it adds ntfs execute permissions back in again. This affects win2k and NT Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2000 10:04 AM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > There seems to be problems loading the xf_dx.dll library, > even though the > file exists; I cannot see a relation between my modifications and the > failure of the library to load, so I added a few debugging > messages around > the loading of the library to assist in debugging. > > The new tarball is once again available from: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > Once again, the installation instructions are: > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > Suhaib, John Fortin, and I removed recognized and removed > several deprecated > files from the xf_dx.dll source package; these files were > being compiled in > and removing them shaved 40 kB off the size of the compiled > xf_dx.dll file. > Special thanks to them for getting me to finally look into > removing some > useless files. Alas, adding a few debugging messages caused > the size to go > up 8kB, so the total shrink for this release of xf_dx.dll is 32 kB. > > I'm starting to think that there might be a problem in the > way that I am > tarballing the EXE and the DLL or in the instructions that I > specify for > untarballing them; I may be causing a problem with the xf_dx.dll being > inaccessible to certain users, or, perhaps some versions of > Windows need to > have the executable attribute set on the DLL. Pipe up if you have any > pointers or solutions. > > I test each release on a Windows 2000 machine and a Windows 98 machine > before I post them; I don't have an NT 4 SP6 machine available, so I'd > appreciate it if someone could give a quick works/doesn't > work response for > that platform. > > Enjoy, > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon Oct 30 17:04:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:04:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151657@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Harold, On WIndows Me and Win2K both I get the following _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired Width: 800, Height: 600, Depth: 16 Adjusted Width: 800, Height: 600, Depth: 32 then IDirectDraw_CreateSurface failed Error=xxxx(unkown Error) Setting my Display to 16-bit gives same error _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired Width: 800, Height: 600, Depth: 16 Adjusted Width: 800, Height: 600, Depth: 16 then IDirectDraw_CreateSurface failed error After clicking OK button Server quits. I will debug later. Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Harold Hunt To: Cygx (E-mail) Sent: 10/30/2000 6:04 PM Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 There seems to be problems loading the xf_dx.dll library, even though the file exists; I cannot see a relation between my modifications and the failure of the library to load, so I added a few debugging messages around the loading of the library to assist in debugging. The new tarball is once again available from: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 Once again, the installation instructions are: cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin cd /usr/X11R6/bin mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar Suhaib, John Fortin, and I removed recognized and removed several deprecated files from the xf_dx.dll source package; these files were being compiled in and removing them shaved 40 kB off the size of the compiled xf_dx.dll file. Special thanks to them for getting me to finally look into removing some useless files. Alas, adding a few debugging messages caused the size to go up 8kB, so the total shrink for this release of xf_dx.dll is 32 kB. I'm starting to think that there might be a problem in the way that I am tarballing the EXE and the DLL or in the instructions that I specify for untarballing them; I may be causing a problem with the xf_dx.dll being inaccessible to certain users, or, perhaps some versions of Windows need to have the executable attribute set on the DLL. Pipe up if you have any pointers or solutions. I test each release on a Windows 2000 machine and a Windows 98 machine before I post them; I don't have an NT 4 SP6 machine available, so I'd appreciate it if someone could give a quick works/doesn't work response for that platform. Enjoy, Harold From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Mon Oct 30 17:06:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:06:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7B2@ENTERPRISE> I'm not running with %CYGWIN=ntsec, however, I wonder if some of the failure cases out there are due to that... I suppose anyone running NT 4 and Windows 2000 should try the following line, as Suhaib recommended, if they have %CYGWIN set to 'ntsec': cd /usr/X11R6/bin chmod +x xf_dx.dll Harold -----Original Message----- From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:58 PM To: Harold Hunt; Cygx (E-mail) Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Harold, Are you running with cygwin=ntsec? If you are not you cannot "set" the x bit. If you are then you _do_ need the x bit set. If you recall I posted a couple of headaches realted to this a while back when I first started using ntsec. when cygwin is set to ntsec, cygwin removes the ntfs execute permissions unless there is an x bit set, when it adds ntfs execute permissions back in again. This affects win2k and NT Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2000 10:04 AM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > There seems to be problems loading the xf_dx.dll library, > even though the > file exists; I cannot see a relation between my modifications and the > failure of the library to load, so I added a few debugging > messages around > the loading of the library to assist in debugging. > > The new tarball is once again available from: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > Once again, the installation instructions are: > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > Suhaib, John Fortin, and I removed recognized and removed > several deprecated > files from the xf_dx.dll source package; these files were > being compiled in > and removing them shaved 40 kB off the size of the compiled > xf_dx.dll file. > Special thanks to them for getting me to finally look into > removing some > useless files. Alas, adding a few debugging messages caused > the size to go > up 8kB, so the total shrink for this release of xf_dx.dll is 32 kB. > > I'm starting to think that there might be a problem in the > way that I am > tarballing the EXE and the DLL or in the instructions that I > specify for > untarballing them; I may be causing a problem with the xf_dx.dll being > inaccessible to certain users, or, perhaps some versions of > Windows need to > have the executable attribute set on the DLL. Pipe up if you have any > pointers or solutions. > > I test each release on a Windows 2000 machine and a Windows 98 machine > before I post them; I don't have an NT 4 SP6 machine available, so I'd > appreciate it if someone could give a quick works/doesn't > work response for > that platform. > > Enjoy, > > Harold > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Mon Oct 30 17:07:00 2000 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:07:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Message-ID: <188CAABFF1C6AD4D946FF2170CD8B7AA6436@itdomain002.itdomain.net.au> You could set +x before you tar it :-] > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2000 12:02 PM > To: Robert Collins; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > I'm not running with %CYGWIN=ntsec, however, I wonder if some > of the failure > cases out there are due to that... > > I suppose anyone running NT 4 and Windows 2000 should try the > following > line, as Suhaib recommended, if they have %CYGWIN set to 'ntsec': > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > chmod +x xf_dx.dll > > Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:58 PM > To: Harold Hunt; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > Harold, > Are you running with cygwin=ntsec? If you are not you cannot > "set" the x bit. If you are then you _do_ need the x bit set. If you > recall I posted a couple of headaches realted to this a while > back when > I first started using ntsec. > > when cygwin is set to ntsec, cygwin removes the ntfs execute > permissions > unless there is an x bit set, when it adds ntfs execute > permissions back > in again. > > This affects win2k and NT > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2000 10:04 AM > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > > > > There seems to be problems loading the xf_dx.dll library, > > even though the > > file exists; I cannot see a relation between my > modifications and the > > failure of the library to load, so I added a few debugging > > messages around > > the loading of the library to assist in debugging. > > > > The new tarball is once again available from: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > > > Once again, the installation instructions are: > > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > > > Suhaib, John Fortin, and I removed recognized and removed > > several deprecated > > files from the xf_dx.dll source package; these files were > > being compiled in > > and removing them shaved 40 kB off the size of the compiled > > xf_dx.dll file. > > Special thanks to them for getting me to finally look into > > removing some > > useless files. Alas, adding a few debugging messages caused > > the size to go > > up 8kB, so the total shrink for this release of xf_dx.dll is 32 kB. > > > > I'm starting to think that there might be a problem in the > > way that I am > > tarballing the EXE and the DLL or in the instructions that I > > specify for > > untarballing them; I may be causing a problem with the > xf_dx.dll being > > inaccessible to certain users, or, perhaps some versions of > > Windows need to > > have the executable attribute set on the DLL. Pipe up if > you have any > > pointers or solutions. > > > > I test each release on a Windows 2000 machine and a Windows > 98 machine > > before I post them; I don't have an NT 4 SP6 machine > available, so I'd > > appreciate it if someone could give a quick works/doesn't > > work response for > > that platform. > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Harold > > > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Mon Oct 30 17:09:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:09:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7B3@ENTERPRISE> Heh heh... that would require that I set %cygwin=ntsec, now, wouldn't it? :) Harold -----Original Message----- From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:06 PM To: Harold Hunt; Cygx (E-mail) Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 You could set +x before you tar it :-] > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2000 12:02 PM > To: Robert Collins; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > I'm not running with %CYGWIN=ntsec, however, I wonder if some > of the failure > cases out there are due to that... > > I suppose anyone running NT 4 and Windows 2000 should try the > following > line, as Suhaib recommended, if they have %CYGWIN set to 'ntsec': > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > chmod +x xf_dx.dll > > Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:58 PM > To: Harold Hunt; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > Harold, > Are you running with cygwin=ntsec? If you are not you cannot > "set" the x bit. If you are then you _do_ need the x bit set. If you > recall I posted a couple of headaches realted to this a while > back when > I first started using ntsec. > > when cygwin is set to ntsec, cygwin removes the ntfs execute > permissions > unless there is an x bit set, when it adds ntfs execute > permissions back > in again. > > This affects win2k and NT > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2000 10:04 AM > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > > > > There seems to be problems loading the xf_dx.dll library, > > even though the > > file exists; I cannot see a relation between my > modifications and the > > failure of the library to load, so I added a few debugging > > messages around > > the loading of the library to assist in debugging. > > > > The new tarball is once again available from: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > > > Once again, the installation instructions are: > > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > > > Suhaib, John Fortin, and I removed recognized and removed > > several deprecated > > files from the xf_dx.dll source package; these files were > > being compiled in > > and removing them shaved 40 kB off the size of the compiled > > xf_dx.dll file. > > Special thanks to them for getting me to finally look into > > removing some > > useless files. Alas, adding a few debugging messages caused > > the size to go > > up 8kB, so the total shrink for this release of xf_dx.dll is 32 kB. > > > > I'm starting to think that there might be a problem in the > > way that I am > > tarballing the EXE and the DLL or in the instructions that I > > specify for > > untarballing them; I may be causing a problem with the > xf_dx.dll being > > inaccessible to certain users, or, perhaps some versions of > > Windows need to > > have the executable attribute set on the DLL. Pipe up if > you have any > > pointers or solutions. > > > > I test each release on a Windows 2000 machine and a Windows > 98 machine > > before I post them; I don't have an NT 4 SP6 machine > available, so I'd > > appreciate it if someone could give a quick works/doesn't > > work response for > > that platform. > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Harold > > > From margalit_gold@hotmail.com Mon Oct 30 17:38:00 2000 From: margalit_gold@hotmail.com (Yadin Goldschmidt) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:38:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Message-ID: Harold, When I got your message I left the office already. I connected there remotely and I checked that indeed all the files in the /usr/X11R6/bin have their x bit set except the xf_dx.dll coming out of your tar ball. So tommorow I will change that and try again. I think you should have your tarball built in such a way that that bit is already set. Yadin. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . From j.j.ita@siep.shell.com Tue Oct 31 00:12:00 2000 From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com (j.j.ita@siep.shell.com) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:12:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Message-ID: Harold, I am running Windows NT 4.0 (SP5) with an Appian Jeronimo 2000 Graphics card with the Permida3 chipset and 16 Mb of video memory. When I run the following bat file: @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 SET PATH=%PATH%;C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;C:\cygwin\bin XWin -screen 0 128x128x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 In the MS DOS prompt window I start it from, I see: C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin>startxserver _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired Width: 128, Height: 128, Depth: 8 xf_dx.dll: Process attach enable_xf_dx: LoadLibrary success xf_dx.dll: AdjustVideoMode entered An error message window pops up stating: Requested overlay size too large for available video memory, trimming overlay size. Error = 00000000(unknown error) I hit OK and then in the DOS window: Adjusted Width: 0, Height: 0, Depth: 8 xf_dx.dll: winDXAllocateFramebufferMemory entered Another Error window pops up: Overlays not supported by hardware, exiting Error = 00000000(unknown error) I hit OK and another error window appears: Direct Draw Init Failed Error = 00000000(unknown error) I hit OK and then in the DOS window I see: xf_dx.dll: Process detach C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin> I realize that their are other cards have that have more video memory available, but I think 16 MB is respectable. I also checked Appians webpage and they state that this card supports video overlay. This may be different than the overlay your program refers to, but I highly doubt this high end card does not support overlays. Lastly, the old full screen xserver ran just fine on this machine. Hope this helps some. Joel Ita > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com > [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 12:04 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > There seems to be problems loading the xf_dx.dll library, > even though the > file exists; I cannot see a relation between my modifications and the > failure of the library to load, so I added a few debugging > messages around > the loading of the library to assist in debugging. > > The new tarball is once again available from: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > Once again, the installation instructions are: > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > Suhaib, John Fortin, and I removed recognized and removed > several deprecated > files from the xf_dx.dll source package; these files were > being compiled in > and removing them shaved 40 kB off the size of the compiled > xf_dx.dll file. > Special thanks to them for getting me to finally look into > removing some > useless files. Alas, adding a few debugging messages caused > the size to go > up 8kB, so the total shrink for this release of xf_dx.dll is 32 kB. > > I'm starting to think that there might be a problem in the > way that I am > tarballing the EXE and the DLL or in the instructions that I > specify for > untarballing them; I may be causing a problem with the xf_dx.dll being > inaccessible to certain users, or, perhaps some versions of > Windows need to > have the executable attribute set on the DLL. Pipe up if you have any > pointers or solutions. > > I test each release on a Windows 2000 machine and a Windows 98 machine > before I post them; I don't have an NT 4 SP6 machine available, so I'd > appreciate it if someone could give a quick works/doesn't > work response for > that platform. > > Enjoy, > > Harold > From vinschen@redhat.com Tue Oct 31 00:41:00 2000 From: vinschen@redhat.com (Corinna Vinschen) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:41:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7B3@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <39FE8588.9FB96D67@redhat.com> Harold Hunt wrote: > > Heh heh... that would require that I set %cygwin=ntsec, now, wouldn't it? > :) Not necessarily. You can use `ntea' to fake the permissions. The problem is that NT/W2K require the execute bit for DLLs. So, if you pack the tar files it would be nice to care for `ntsec' users. Thanks, Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Developer mailto:cygwin@sources.redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. mailto:vinschen@redhat.com From mike.davies@epid.eurotherm.co.uk Tue Oct 31 04:04:00 2000 From: mike.davies@epid.eurotherm.co.uk (Mike Davies) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:04:00 -0000 Subject: XpmReadFileToPixmap moissing from Xaw library ? Message-ID: <02e801c04332$a4802060$74a57995@epid.eurotherm.co.uk> Hi, I am trying to compile a program uncer cygwin-xfree and I have run into a problem where it seems as if a function called XpmReadFileToPixmap is missing from one of the libraries. The error I get is as follows : /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d2b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' I just wondered if there is a known fix for this or whether I should download the Xaw source and start in on debugging it. Any pointers as to how to start adding this function would be most gratefully received :-) Thanks, Mike From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 31 04:10:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:10:00 -0000 Subject: XpmReadFileToPixmap moissing from Xaw library ? References: <02e801c04332$a4802060$74a57995@epid.eurotherm.co.uk> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151658@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> NO, It is not missing at all. $ nm --print-file-name *.a | grep -i 'XpmReadFileToPixmap' libXaw.a:Pixmap.o: U _XpmReadFileToPixmap libXpm.a:ds27.o:00000000 T _XpmReadFileToPixmap libXpm.a:ds27.o:00000000 I ___imp_XpmReadFileToPixmap libXpm.a:ds27.o:00000000 I __imp__XpmReadFileToPixmap It is an undefined reference in libXaw.a which needs to be resolved by adding -lXpm. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Davies [ mailto:mike.davies@epid.eurotherm.co.uk ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:04 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: XpmReadFileToPixmap moissing from Xaw library ? > > > Hi, > > I am trying to compile a program uncer cygwin-xfree and I > have run into a > problem where it seems as if a function called XpmReadFileToPixmap is > missing from one of the libraries. The error I get is as follows : > > > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d2b):Pixmap.c: undefined > reference to > `XpmReadFileToPixmap' > > I just wondered if there is a known fix for this or whether I should > download the Xaw source and start in on debugging it. Any > pointers as to > how to start adding this function would be most gratefully > received :-) > > > Thanks, > > > Mike > > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 31 05:13:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:13:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7B6@ENTERPRISE> Joel, Hmm... I query DirectDraw for overlay support and for the amount of free video memory, so I kinda just have to go with what it tells me. Perhaps Appian has released new drivers for your video card? Thanks for the detailed report, Harold -----Original Message----- From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com [ mailto:j.j.ita@siep.shell.com ] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:11 AM To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Harold, I am running Windows NT 4.0 (SP5) with an Appian Jeronimo 2000 Graphics card with the Permida3 chipset and 16 Mb of video memory. When I run the following bat file: @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 SET PATH=%PATH%;C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;C:\cygwin\bin XWin -screen 0 128x128x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 In the MS DOS prompt window I start it from, I see: C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin>startxserver _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired Width: 128, Height: 128, Depth: 8 xf_dx.dll: Process attach enable_xf_dx: LoadLibrary success xf_dx.dll: AdjustVideoMode entered An error message window pops up stating: Requested overlay size too large for available video memory, trimming overlay size. Error = 00000000(unknown error) I hit OK and then in the DOS window: Adjusted Width: 0, Height: 0, Depth: 8 xf_dx.dll: winDXAllocateFramebufferMemory entered Another Error window pops up: Overlays not supported by hardware, exiting Error = 00000000(unknown error) I hit OK and another error window appears: Direct Draw Init Failed Error = 00000000(unknown error) I hit OK and then in the DOS window I see: xf_dx.dll: Process detach C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin> I realize that their are other cards have that have more video memory available, but I think 16 MB is respectable. I also checked Appians webpage and they state that this card supports video overlay. This may be different than the overlay your program refers to, but I highly doubt this high end card does not support overlays. Lastly, the old full screen xserver ran just fine on this machine. Hope this helps some. Joel Ita > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com > [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 12:04 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > There seems to be problems loading the xf_dx.dll library, > even though the > file exists; I cannot see a relation between my modifications and the > failure of the library to load, so I added a few debugging > messages around > the loading of the library to assist in debugging. > > The new tarball is once again available from: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > Once again, the installation instructions are: > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > Suhaib, John Fortin, and I removed recognized and removed > several deprecated > files from the xf_dx.dll source package; these files were > being compiled in > and removing them shaved 40 kB off the size of the compiled > xf_dx.dll file. > Special thanks to them for getting me to finally look into > removing some > useless files. Alas, adding a few debugging messages caused > the size to go > up 8kB, so the total shrink for this release of xf_dx.dll is 32 kB. > > I'm starting to think that there might be a problem in the > way that I am > tarballing the EXE and the DLL or in the instructions that I > specify for > untarballing them; I may be causing a problem with the xf_dx.dll being > inaccessible to certain users, or, perhaps some versions of > Windows need to > have the executable attribute set on the DLL. Pipe up if you have any > pointers or solutions. > > I test each release on a Windows 2000 machine and a Windows 98 machine > before I post them; I don't have an NT 4 SP6 machine available, so I'd > appreciate it if someone could give a quick works/doesn't > work response for > that platform. > > Enjoy, > > Harold > From arkadiy@micromuse.com Tue Oct 31 05:33:00 2000 From: arkadiy@micromuse.com (Arkadiy Belousov) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:33:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7B1@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <003a01c0433e$dc50f3a0$1e1e140a@windell> My machine: Dell Dimension 4100, Windows ME, Nvidia TNT2 M64 4x AGP, driver version 4.12.01.0532 (It says DirectDraw 1.0, I am not sure how right is that) Here is what I get: _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Desired Width: 300, Height: 300, Depth: 8 xf_dx.dll: Process attach enable_xf_dx: LoadLibrary success xf_dx.dll: AdjustVideoMode entered Adjusted Width: 300, Height: 300, Depth: 32 xf_dx.dll: winDXAllocateFramebufferMemory entered The server window does appear, approx right size, but then a dialog box happens: IDirectDraw_CreateSurface failed - overlay Error = 88760091(unknown error) When focus leaves this dialog, I get another one on top of it: DeactivateServer failed Error = 00000000(unknown error) Those keep appearing every time I switch between X and another window. Another interesting thing: the mouse goes under the dialog, I had to use space to press OK button. When I dismiss the original error message w/o asitching to another app, I get another dialog: DirectDraw Init Failed Error = 88760091(unknown error) When I dismiss the other dialog, the whole thing goes away, consoles and all. That concludes my testing :) I am dying to get my hands on the code! I am handy with GDB or MS debuggers, could do some deep-digging for you . AB. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "Cygx (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:04 PM Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > There seems to be problems loading the xf_dx.dll library, even though the > file exists; I cannot see a relation between my modifications and the > failure of the library to load, so I added a few debugging messages around > the loading of the library to assist in debugging. > > The new tarball is once again available from: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > Once again, the installation instructions are: > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > Suhaib, John Fortin, and I removed recognized and removed several deprecated > files from the xf_dx.dll source package; these files were being compiled in > and removing them shaved 40 kB off the size of the compiled xf_dx.dll file. > Special thanks to them for getting me to finally look into removing some > useless files. Alas, adding a few debugging messages caused the size to go > up 8kB, so the total shrink for this release of xf_dx.dll is 32 kB. > > I'm starting to think that there might be a problem in the way that I am > tarballing the EXE and the DLL or in the instructions that I specify for > untarballing them; I may be causing a problem with the xf_dx.dll being > inaccessible to certain users, or, perhaps some versions of Windows need to > have the executable attribute set on the DLL. Pipe up if you have any > pointers or solutions. > > I test each release on a Windows 2000 machine and a Windows 98 machine > before I post them; I don't have an NT 4 SP6 machine available, so I'd > appreciate it if someone could give a quick works/doesn't work response for > that platform. > > Enjoy, > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 31 05:43:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:43:00 -0000 Subject: XpmReadFileToPixmap moissing from Xaw library ? References: <030c01c0433f$85d39310$74a57995@epid.eurotherm.co.uk> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215165A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> If you post to mailing list, people responsible for search engine might answer. I cannot, sorry. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Davies [ mailto:mike.davies@epid.eurotherm.co.uk ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:36 AM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Subject: Re: XpmReadFileToPixmap moissing from Xaw library ? > > > Hi, > > You are completely correct, adding -lXpm to the library list > fixed that > problem for me. > > As an aside, I think there is a small problem with the > search facilities on > the mail archive : > > I had searched on the mailing archives for > "XpmReadFileToPixmap" and got a > result that said that " No matches were found for > 'xpmreadfiletopixmap' ". > After your post I have just searched again, with the same > result, this > time I also searched for "pixmap" and saw a reply from you to > a separate > post dated 15 Jul 2000 "Re: libxaw" which gave me the same > answer you just > have. This post contains the word XpmReadFileToPixmap ! > Does the search > engine have some kind of character count limitation ? > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > > > NO, It is not missing at all. > > > > $ nm --print-file-name *.a | grep -i 'XpmReadFileToPixmap' > > libXaw.a:Pixmap.o: U _XpmReadFileToPixmap > > libXpm.a:ds27.o:00000000 T _XpmReadFileToPixmap > > libXpm.a:ds27.o:00000000 I ___imp_XpmReadFileToPixmap > > libXpm.a:ds27.o:00000000 I __imp__XpmReadFileToPixmap > > > > It is an undefined reference in libXaw.a which needs to be > resolved by > > adding -lXpm. > > > > Suhaib > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mike Davies [ mailto:mike.davies@epid.eurotherm.co.uk ] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:04 AM > > > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > > > Subject: XpmReadFileToPixmap moissing from Xaw library ? > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am trying to compile a program uncer cygwin-xfree and I > > > have run into a > > > problem where it seems as if a function called > XpmReadFileToPixmap is > > > missing from one of the libraries. The error I get is as > follows : > > > > > > > > > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d2b):Pixmap.c: > undefined > > > reference to > > > `XpmReadFileToPixmap' > > > > > > I just wondered if there is a known fix for this or > whether I should > > > download the Xaw source and start in on debugging it. Any > > > pointers as to > > > how to start adding this function would be most gratefully > > > received :-) > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > From arkadiy@micromuse.com Tue Oct 31 05:48:00 2000 From: arkadiy@micromuse.com (Arkadiy Belousov) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:48:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Message-ID: <00ee01c04341$187aa540$1e1e140a@windell> Forgot to mention: I tried the tests with 32 bit and abd 8 bit color depth. I have 32 MB of video memory. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arkadiy Belousov" To: "Harold Hunt" ; "Cygx (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > My machine: Dell Dimension 4100, Windows ME, Nvidia TNT2 M64 4x AGP, driver > version 4.12.01.0532 (It says DirectDraw 1.0, I am not sure how right is > that) > > Here is what I get: > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > Desired Width: 300, Height: 300, Depth: 8 > xf_dx.dll: Process attach > enable_xf_dx: LoadLibrary success > xf_dx.dll: AdjustVideoMode entered > Adjusted Width: 300, Height: 300, Depth: 32 > xf_dx.dll: winDXAllocateFramebufferMemory entered > > The server window does appear, approx right size, but then a dialog box > happens: > > IDirectDraw_CreateSurface failed - overlay > Error = 88760091(unknown error) > > > When focus leaves this dialog, I get another one on top of it: > > DeactivateServer failed > Error = 00000000(unknown error) > > > Those keep appearing every time I switch between X and another window. > Another interesting thing: the mouse goes under the dialog, I had to use > space to press OK button. > > When I dismiss the original error message w/o asitching to another app, I > get another dialog: > > DirectDraw Init Failed > Error = 88760091(unknown error) > > When I dismiss the other dialog, the whole thing goes away, consoles and > all. > > That concludes my testing :) > > I am dying to get my hands on the code! I am handy with GDB or MS debuggers, > could do some deep-digging for you . > > AB. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Hunt" > To: "Cygx (E-mail)" > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:04 PM > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > > There seems to be problems loading the xf_dx.dll library, even though the > > file exists; I cannot see a relation between my modifications and the > > failure of the library to load, so I added a few debugging messages around > > the loading of the library to assist in debugging. > > > > The new tarball is once again available from: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > > > Once again, the installation instructions are: > > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > > > Suhaib, John Fortin, and I removed recognized and removed several > deprecated > > files from the xf_dx.dll source package; these files were being compiled > in > > and removing them shaved 40 kB off the size of the compiled xf_dx.dll > file. > > Special thanks to them for getting me to finally look into removing some > > useless files. Alas, adding a few debugging messages caused the size to > go > > up 8kB, so the total shrink for this release of xf_dx.dll is 32 kB. > > > > I'm starting to think that there might be a problem in the way that I am > > tarballing the EXE and the DLL or in the instructions that I specify for > > untarballing them; I may be causing a problem with the xf_dx.dll being > > inaccessible to certain users, or, perhaps some versions of Windows need > to > > have the executable attribute set on the DLL. Pipe up if you have any > > pointers or solutions. > > > > I test each release on a Windows 2000 machine and a Windows 98 machine > > before I post them; I don't have an NT 4 SP6 machine available, so I'd > > appreciate it if someone could give a quick works/doesn't work response > for > > that platform. > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Harold > > > From fortinj@attglobal.net Tue Oct 31 06:14:00 2000 From: fortinj@attglobal.net (John Fortin) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:14:00 -0000 Subject: Compile Lockups on Win98 Message-ID: <39FED39C.68B0DF71@attglobal.net> Has anyone else seen this. I been trying to compile the xfree code. At different times and at different places, everything starts slowing down. I've seen it get to about 30 sec to do an 'rm'. After a while everything stops. Sometimes I have to do a hard restart of my computer. I currently have the 1.1.5 cygwin, the newest make, the newest bash, and the newest gcc binaries available. John From margalit_gold@hotmail.com Tue Oct 31 06:16:00 2000 From: margalit_gold@hotmail.com (Yadin Goldschmidt) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:16:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 Message-ID: Harold, After setting the x bit the dll runs but I am getting the following error: a box appears with "error" on top and inside it reads: IDirectDraw_CreateSurface failed Error=80070057(DIERR_INVALIDPARAM) This is on NT4 SP6, RIVA TNT2 32MB card (gateway 2000, 800 mhz). Yadin. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com . From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 31 07:39:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:39:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7BB@ENTERPRISE> My computers won't reproduce the problems that people are reporting, so the problems must be the result of different video cards allowing certain parameters to be missing (mine seems to allow all parameters to be missing), while other video cards need nearly all of the parameters when creating an overlay. I appreciate the patience of the people that are testing for me. Execute permissions on the xf_dx.dll file were fixed in this test release. I fixed a few silly mistakes that worked fine with my video cards and OS, but that probably would cause problems with some video cards and OS combinations. Updates in this test release were constrained to xf_dx.dll, so, if you already have the Test 3 full package (OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2) installed, you can just download the xf_dx.dll package; otherwise, download the full Test 4 package. Full Test 4 Package: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 (1.7 MB) Test 4 xf_dx.dll Package: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx.dll.tar.bz2 (43 kB) You can download the xf_dx.dll source if you have Visual C++ 6 and you feel like poking around: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx-src.zip (14 kB) Any overlay initialization problems would be isolated to the xf_dx.dll file, specifically the winDXAllocateFramebufferMemory function, and, less likely, the AdjustVideoMode function. I'd appreciate it if someone with more DirectDraw overlay experience would take a look at those two functions. Good luck, enjoy, and thanks for testing, Harold From cgf@redhat.com Tue Oct 31 08:26:00 2000 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:26:00 -0000 Subject: Compile Lockups on Win98 References: <39FED39C.68B0DF71@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <20001031112631.A20756@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 09:13:48AM -0500, John Fortin wrote: >Has anyone else seen this. I been trying to compile the xfree code. At >different times and at different places, everything starts slowing >down. I've seen it get to about 30 sec to do an 'rm'. > >After a while everything stops. Sometimes I have to do a hard restart >of my computer. > >I currently have the 1.1.5 cygwin, the newest make, the newest bash, and >the newest gcc binaries available. Does this happen with 1.1.4? It sounds like a standard Windows 98 problem. cgf From fortinj@attglobal.net Tue Oct 31 09:02:00 2000 From: fortinj@attglobal.net (John Fortin) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:02:00 -0000 Subject: Compile Lockups on Win98 References: <39FED39C.68B0DF71@attglobal.net> <20001031112631.A20756@redhat.com> Message-ID: <39FEFB12.FD97F065@attglobal.net> Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 09:13:48AM -0500, John Fortin wrote: > >Has anyone else seen this. I been trying to compile the xfree code. At > >different times and at different places, everything starts slowing > >down. I've seen it get to about 30 sec to do an 'rm'. > > > >After a while everything stops. Sometimes I have to do a hard restart > >of my computer. > > > >I currently have the 1.1.5 cygwin, the newest make, the newest bash, and > >the newest gcc binaries available. > > Does this happen with 1.1.4? > Yes, it does. I moved to the 1.1.5 to see if it fixed the problem. I received an e-mail from someone else who has the same problem compiling a different package. I'm trying to build this on my NT client, but it takes awhile for the CVS download. > > It sounds like a standard Windows 98 problem. That is what I think. But I can't change my home pc to WinNT. John From j.j.ita@siep.shell.com Tue Oct 31 09:06:00 2000 From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com (j.j.ita@siep.shell.com) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:06:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 Message-ID: Harold, I downloaded the newest drivers as you suggested and used your new Test 4 suite. Same problem occurs. One thing I did find in the readme for the new driver was: b) Windowed Mode (DirectX plays back in a window). The Jeronimo 2000 card supports this mode on the primary monitor without errors. The Jeronimo 2000 supports this mode across multiple monitors as long as the DirectX application writes to off-screen memory rather than writing data directly to the screen. Do you know what mode you write in (off-screen or direct)? This may be at the root of my problem. I tried running in single screen mode but obviously my graphics card is not working error free as advertised. Surprise, surprise. Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com > [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:09 PM > To: Ita, Joel J.J. > Cc: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > Joel, > > Hmm... I query DirectDraw for overlay support and for the > amount of free > video memory, so I kinda just have to go with what it tells > me. Perhaps > Appian has released new drivers for your video card? > > Thanks for the detailed report, > > Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com [ mailto:j.j.ita@siep.shell.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:11 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > Harold, > I am running Windows NT 4.0 (SP5) with an Appian Jeronimo 2000 > Graphics card with the Permida3 chipset and 16 Mb of video > memory. When > I run the following bat file: > > @echo off > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > SET PATH=%PATH%;C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;C:\cygwin\bin > XWin -screen 0 128x128x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > > In the MS DOS prompt window I start it from, I see: > > C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin>startxserver > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > Desired Width: 128, Height: 128, Depth: 8 > xf_dx.dll: Process attach > enable_xf_dx: LoadLibrary success > xf_dx.dll: AdjustVideoMode entered > > An error message window pops up stating: > > Requested overlay size too large for available video memory, trimming > overlay size. > Error = 00000000(unknown error) > > I hit OK and then in the DOS window: > > Adjusted Width: 0, Height: 0, Depth: 8 > xf_dx.dll: winDXAllocateFramebufferMemory entered > > Another Error window pops up: > > Overlays not supported by hardware, exiting > Error = 00000000(unknown error) > > I hit OK and another error window appears: > > Direct Draw Init Failed > Error = 00000000(unknown error) > > I hit OK and then in the DOS window I see: > > xf_dx.dll: Process detach > > C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin> > > > I realize that their are other cards have that have more video memory > available, but I think 16 MB is respectable. I also checked Appians > webpage and they state that this card supports video overlay. > This may > be different than the overlay your program refers to, but I highly > doubt this high end card does not support overlays. Lastly, the old > full screen xserver ran just fine on this machine. Hope this > helps some. > > Joel Ita > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com > > [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 12:04 AM > > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 3 > > > > > > There seems to be problems loading the xf_dx.dll library, > > even though the > > file exists; I cannot see a relation between my > modifications and the > > failure of the library to load, so I added a few debugging > > messages around > > the loading of the library to assist in debugging. > > > > The new tarball is once again available from: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > > > Once again, the installation instructions are: > > cp OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 /usr/X11R6/bin > > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > > mv XWin.exe XWin.orig.exe > > mv xf_dx.dll xf_dx.orig.dll > > bunzip2 OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > tar -xf OverlayAndNoDITest.tar > > > > Suhaib, John Fortin, and I removed recognized and removed > > several deprecated > > files from the xf_dx.dll source package; these files were > > being compiled in > > and removing them shaved 40 kB off the size of the compiled > > xf_dx.dll file. > > Special thanks to them for getting me to finally look into > > removing some > > useless files. Alas, adding a few debugging messages caused > > the size to go > > up 8kB, so the total shrink for this release of xf_dx.dll is 32 kB. > > > > I'm starting to think that there might be a problem in the > > way that I am > > tarballing the EXE and the DLL or in the instructions that I > > specify for > > untarballing them; I may be causing a problem with the > xf_dx.dll being > > inaccessible to certain users, or, perhaps some versions of > > Windows need to > > have the executable attribute set on the DLL. Pipe up if > you have any > > pointers or solutions. > > > > I test each release on a Windows 2000 machine and a Windows > 98 machine > > before I post them; I don't have an NT 4 SP6 machine > available, so I'd > > appreciate it if someone could give a quick works/doesn't > > work response for > > that platform. > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Harold > > > From d4ljoyn@yahoo.com Tue Oct 31 11:16:00 2000 From: d4ljoyn@yahoo.com (Dave Joyner) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:16:00 -0000 Subject: Direct Draw init - back creation failed -- again Message-ID: <20001031191559.75119.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> I'm getting the "Back creation failed" "Direct Draw Init failed" on my machine -- yes, I read all the previous threads -- yes, I tried the -screen 0 800x600x8 parameters -- I tried the Win9x...to no avail this is a laptop with W2K server on it -- ATI 3D Rage PRO -- it will run XFree86, under Linux. Any ideas? Thanks Dave Joyner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 31 11:22:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:22:00 -0000 Subject: Definition of surface terms Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7BD@ENTERPRISE> Here are three definitions, taken from the MSDN Library, to help us look for the problem with the test xf_dx.dll code. Knowing these definitions may help some of you verify driver support, and it will help to make sure that we are all talking about the same thing. Following the three definitions are some further explanations, written by me. Primary surface: The area in memory containing the image being displayed on the monitor. Offscreen surface: A conceptually rectangular area in memory that is generally used to store bitmaps to be blitted to a back buffer before being displayed. Overlay surface: A conceptually rectangular area in memory whose stored image information covers the image information of the primary surface to which it is applied. Overlays are assumed to be on top of all other screen components. The original xf_dx.dll code (released circa. June 6, 2000) writes directly to the primary surface memory; a handle to the memory is opened when the X Server starts, then closed when the X Server exits. Opening a handle to the primary surface frame buffer causes the Win16Mutex to be held on Windows 95 and 98 machines. Holding the Win16Mutex for extended periods of time causes Windows 95 and 98 to stop responding, as certain parts of the Windows 95 and 98 GDI and User code must acquire the Win16Mutex before they are allowed to run. Windows NT does not wait for the Win16Mutex, so the primary surface memory handle can stay open for the duration of execution. The test release opens a handle to an overlay surface that is created in video memory in addition to the primary surface frame buffer that already exists. You display an overlay by telling the video card the address of the overlay frame buffer and coordinates on the primary surface where you would like the overlay displayed. Holding a handle to an overlay surface does not hold the Win16Mutex, thus preventing problems with Windows 95 and 98. Offscreen surfaces are similar to overlay surfaces in that both types of surfaces do not modify the frame buffer containing the current screen contents. However, overlay surfaces must be allocated in video memory as the video card needs to be able to display the overlay instead of the primary surface, when the overlay is being displayed. Hope that helps, Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 31 11:24:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:24:00 -0000 Subject: Direct Draw init - back creation failed -- again References: <20001031191559.75119.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215165B@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Is it about the DLL and EXE Harold posting or the distribution from xc-4-binary directory? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Joyner [ mailto:d4ljoyn@yahoo.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:16 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Direct Draw init - back creation failed -- again > > > I'm getting the "Back creation failed" "Direct Draw > Init failed" on my machine -- yes, I read all the > previous threads -- yes, I tried the -screen 0 > 800x600x8 parameters -- I tried the Win9x...to no > avail > > this is a laptop with W2K server on it -- ATI 3D Rage > PRO -- it will run XFree86, under Linux. > > Any ideas? > Thanks > Dave Joyner > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 31 11:30:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:30:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7BB@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215165C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Harold, With Test 4, still same errors, as with Test 3. Which video card are you using? I am using GeForce2 GTS, with the latest drivers (DirectX 7.a compatible). Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:35 AM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 > > > My computers won't reproduce the problems that people are > reporting, so the > problems must be the result of different video cards allowing certain > parameters to be missing (mine seems to allow all parameters > to be missing), > while other video cards need nearly all of the parameters > when creating an > overlay. I appreciate the patience of the people that are > testing for me. > > Execute permissions on the xf_dx.dll file were fixed in this > test release. > > I fixed a few silly mistakes that worked fine with my video > cards and OS, > but that probably would cause problems with some video cards and OS > combinations. > > Updates in this test release were constrained to xf_dx.dll, so, if you > already have the Test 3 full package > (OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2) installed, > you can just download the xf_dx.dll package; otherwise, > download the full > Test 4 package. > > Full Test 4 Package: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > (1.7 MB) > Test 4 xf_dx.dll Package: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx.dll.tar.bz2 (43 > kB) > > You can download the xf_dx.dll source if you have Visual C++ > 6 and you feel > like poking around: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx-src.zip (14 kB) > > Any overlay initialization problems would be isolated to the > xf_dx.dll file, > specifically the winDXAllocateFramebufferMemory function, > and, less likely, > the AdjustVideoMode function. I'd appreciate it if someone with more > DirectDraw overlay experience would take a look at those two > functions. > > Good luck, enjoy, and thanks for testing, > > Harold > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 31 11:34:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:34:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7BE@ENTERPRISE> On my Windows 2000 machine I've got a Diamond Stealth III S540 PCI 32MB. The chip on the card is a Savage4 PRO+ On my Windows 98 machine I've got a Rage IIC AGP with, I think 4MB. Harold -----Original Message----- From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:30 PM To: 'Harold Hunt'; Cygx (E-mail) Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 Harold, With Test 4, still same errors, as with Test 3. Which video card are you using? I am using GeForce2 GTS, with the latest drivers (DirectX 7.a compatible). Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:35 AM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 > > > My computers won't reproduce the problems that people are > reporting, so the > problems must be the result of different video cards allowing certain > parameters to be missing (mine seems to allow all parameters > to be missing), > while other video cards need nearly all of the parameters > when creating an > overlay. I appreciate the patience of the people that are > testing for me. > > Execute permissions on the xf_dx.dll file were fixed in this > test release. > > I fixed a few silly mistakes that worked fine with my video > cards and OS, > but that probably would cause problems with some video cards and OS > combinations. > > Updates in this test release were constrained to xf_dx.dll, so, if you > already have the Test 3 full package > (OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2) installed, > you can just download the xf_dx.dll package; otherwise, > download the full > Test 4 package. > > Full Test 4 Package: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > (1.7 MB) > Test 4 xf_dx.dll Package: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx.dll.tar.bz2 (43 > kB) > > You can download the xf_dx.dll source if you have Visual C++ > 6 and you feel > like poking around: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx-src.zip (14 kB) > > Any overlay initialization problems would be isolated to the > xf_dx.dll file, > specifically the winDXAllocateFramebufferMemory function, > and, less likely, > the AdjustVideoMode function. I'd appreciate it if someone with more > DirectDraw overlay experience would take a look at those two > functions. > > Good luck, enjoy, and thanks for testing, > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 31 11:37:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:37:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7BE@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215165D@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > On my Windows 2000 machine I've got a Diamond Stealth III > S540 PCI 32MB. > The chip on the card is a Savage4 PRO+ > > On my Windows 98 machine I've got a Rage IIC AGP with, I think 4MB. Interesting! xf_dx.dll (your version) works on your cards. I noticed from other users post that none of nVidia video card users had any luck. TNT, TNT2 and GeForce series cards use the same driver. Suhaib > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:30 PM > To: 'Harold Hunt'; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 > > > > Harold, > > With Test 4, still same errors, as with Test 3. > > Which video card are you using? I am using GeForce2 GTS, with > the latest drivers (DirectX 7.a compatible). > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:35 AM > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 > > > > > > My computers won't reproduce the problems that people are > > reporting, so the > > problems must be the result of different video cards > allowing certain > > parameters to be missing (mine seems to allow all parameters > > to be missing), > > while other video cards need nearly all of the parameters > > when creating an > > overlay. I appreciate the patience of the people that are > > testing for me. > > > > Execute permissions on the xf_dx.dll file were fixed in this > > test release. > > > > I fixed a few silly mistakes that worked fine with my video > > cards and OS, > > but that probably would cause problems with some video cards and OS > > combinations. > > > > Updates in this test release were constrained to xf_dx.dll, > so, if you > > already have the Test 3 full package > > (OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2) installed, > > you can just download the xf_dx.dll package; otherwise, > > download the full > > Test 4 package. > > > > Full Test 4 Package: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > (1.7 MB) > > Test 4 xf_dx.dll Package: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx.dll.tar.bz2 (43 > > kB) > > > > You can download the xf_dx.dll source if you have Visual C++ > > 6 and you feel > > like poking around: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx-src.zip (14 kB) > > > > Any overlay initialization problems would be isolated to the > > xf_dx.dll file, > > specifically the winDXAllocateFramebufferMemory function, > > and, less likely, > > the AdjustVideoMode function. I'd appreciate it if someone > with more > > DirectDraw overlay experience would take a look at those two > > functions. > > > > Good luck, enjoy, and thanks for testing, > > > > Harold > > > From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 31 11:44:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:44:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7BF@ENTERPRISE> Yes, it is very bizzarre... I'm sitting here looking at a cheery X Server on my machines, but it doesn't seem to work on almost anyone else's machines. The one tester that reports success has two machines, one with a Matrox G400 16MB and the other with a C&T65550 2MB. He's running Windows 98 on both machines. That's the only success I have seen to far, other than my own. I might have to take a look at the Nvidia site and see what they say about overlay alignment... Harold -----Original Message----- From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:36 PM To: 'Harold Hunt'; Cygx (E-mail) Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 > > On my Windows 2000 machine I've got a Diamond Stealth III > S540 PCI 32MB. > The chip on the card is a Savage4 PRO+ > > On my Windows 98 machine I've got a Rage IIC AGP with, I think 4MB. Interesting! xf_dx.dll (your version) works on your cards. I noticed from other users post that none of nVidia video card users had any luck. TNT, TNT2 and GeForce series cards use the same driver. Suhaib > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:30 PM > To: 'Harold Hunt'; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 > > > > Harold, > > With Test 4, still same errors, as with Test 3. > > Which video card are you using? I am using GeForce2 GTS, with > the latest drivers (DirectX 7.a compatible). > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:35 AM > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 > > > > > > My computers won't reproduce the problems that people are > > reporting, so the > > problems must be the result of different video cards > allowing certain > > parameters to be missing (mine seems to allow all parameters > > to be missing), > > while other video cards need nearly all of the parameters > > when creating an > > overlay. I appreciate the patience of the people that are > > testing for me. > > > > Execute permissions on the xf_dx.dll file were fixed in this > > test release. > > > > I fixed a few silly mistakes that worked fine with my video > > cards and OS, > > but that probably would cause problems with some video cards and OS > > combinations. > > > > Updates in this test release were constrained to xf_dx.dll, > so, if you > > already have the Test 3 full package > > (OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2) installed, > > you can just download the xf_dx.dll package; otherwise, > > download the full > > Test 4 package. > > > > Full Test 4 Package: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > (1.7 MB) > > Test 4 xf_dx.dll Package: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx.dll.tar.bz2 (43 > > kB) > > > > You can download the xf_dx.dll source if you have Visual C++ > > 6 and you feel > > like poking around: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx-src.zip (14 kB) > > > > Any overlay initialization problems would be isolated to the > > xf_dx.dll file, > > specifically the winDXAllocateFramebufferMemory function, > > and, less likely, > > the AdjustVideoMode function. I'd appreciate it if someone > with more > > DirectDraw overlay experience would take a look at those two > > functions. > > > > Good luck, enjoy, and thanks for testing, > > > > Harold > > > From d4ljoyn@yahoo.com Tue Oct 31 11:48:00 2000 From: d4ljoyn@yahoo.com (Dave Joyner) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:48:00 -0000 Subject: Direct Draw init - back creation failed -- again Message-ID: <20001031194813.62957.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> No -- I've just downloaded the binaries -- no special exe or dll Thanks Dave Joyner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 31 11:53:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:53:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 References: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7BF@ENTERPRISE> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215165E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > Yes, it is very bizzarre... I'm sitting here looking at a > cheery X Server on > my machines, but it doesn't seem to work on almost anyone > else's machines. > > The one tester that reports success has two machines, one > with a Matrox G400 > 16MB and the other with a C&T65550 2MB. He's running Windows > 98 on both > machines. That's the only success I have seen to far, other > than my own. > > I might have to take a look at the Nvidia site and see what > they say about > overlay alignment... They say almost nothing! nVidia is notorious in not giving out any kind of specifications about their hardware and video drivers. Therefore, most of the Linux systems do not include nVidia drivers for GeForce Series cards. You might be spending hours at their web site for a very little information. Suhaib > > Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:36 PM > To: 'Harold Hunt'; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 > > > > > > > On my Windows 2000 machine I've got a Diamond Stealth III > > S540 PCI 32MB. > > The chip on the card is a Savage4 PRO+ > > > > On my Windows 98 machine I've got a Rage IIC AGP with, I think 4MB. > > > Interesting! xf_dx.dll (your version) works on your cards. > I noticed from other users post that none of nVidia video card > users had any luck. TNT, TNT2 and GeForce series cards use the > same driver. > > Suhaib > > > > > Harold > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:30 PM > > To: 'Harold Hunt'; Cygx (E-mail) > > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 > > > > > > > > Harold, > > > > With Test 4, still same errors, as with Test 3. > > > > Which video card are you using? I am using GeForce2 GTS, with > > the latest drivers (DirectX 7.a compatible). > > > > Suhaib > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 10:35 AM > > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 4 > > > > > > > > > My computers won't reproduce the problems that people are > > > reporting, so the > > > problems must be the result of different video cards > > allowing certain > > > parameters to be missing (mine seems to allow all parameters > > > to be missing), > > > while other video cards need nearly all of the parameters > > > when creating an > > > overlay. I appreciate the patience of the people that are > > > testing for me. > > > > > > Execute permissions on the xf_dx.dll file were fixed in this > > > test release. > > > > > > I fixed a few silly mistakes that worked fine with my video > > > cards and OS, > > > but that probably would cause problems with some video > cards and OS > > > combinations. > > > > > > Updates in this test release were constrained to xf_dx.dll, > > so, if you > > > already have the Test 3 full package > > > (OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2) installed, > > > you can just download the xf_dx.dll package; otherwise, > > > download the full > > > Test 4 package. > > > > > > Full Test 4 Package: > > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 > > > (1.7 MB) > > > Test 4 xf_dx.dll Package: > > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx.dll.tar.bz2 (43 > > > kB) > > > > > > You can download the xf_dx.dll source if you have Visual C++ > > > 6 and you feel > > > like poking around: > > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx-src.zip (14 kB) > > > > > > Any overlay initialization problems would be isolated to the > > > xf_dx.dll file, > > > specifically the winDXAllocateFramebufferMemory function, > > > and, less likely, > > > the AdjustVideoMode function. I'd appreciate it if someone > > with more > > > DirectDraw overlay experience would take a look at those two > > > functions. > > > > > > Good luck, enjoy, and thanks for testing, > > > > > > Harold > > > > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 31 12:17:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:17:00 -0000 Subject: Direct Draw init - back creation failed -- again References: <20001031194813.62957.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C215165F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Joyner [ mailto:d4ljoyn@yahoo.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:48 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: RE: Direct Draw init - back creation failed -- again > > > No -- I've just downloaded the binaries -- no special > exe or dll > Thanks > Dave Joyner > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > >From the xc-4-binaries directory you can download XWin-Win9x-Me.tar.bz2 First rename the /usr/X11R6/bin/Xwin.exe to XWin.exe-orig then extract XWin-Win9x-Me.tar.bz2 and copy the XWin.exe to /usr/X11R6/bin. Let me know if that helps on Win2K. For the laptop try editing startxwin.bat and use startxwin -screen 0 640x480x16 Suhaib From j.j.ita@siep.shell.com Tue Oct 31 12:43:00 2000 From: j.j.ita@siep.shell.com (j.j.ita@siep.shell.com) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:43:00 -0000 Subject: Definition of surface terms Message-ID: Thanks for the info. It certainly cleared some things up for me. Unfortunately, I think I was barking up the wrong tree. I got access to another NT 4.0 (SP5) machine with a single screen and an Intense3d Wildcat 4110 graphics card with 64 Mb of video memory and got exactly the same error as with the Appian card. The chipsets for the two cards are completely different. Thus I think the primary vs. off-screen/overlay is a red herring on my part. Sorry. None the less, it is interesting that I get different error messages than everyone else. It especially surprised me that the messages were the same for the appian and wildcat cards since the full screen Xserver works on the appian card but crashes on the wildcat card. Question on your overlay implementation. How do you determine the address of the overlay frame buffer on the video card? Is it passed as a pointer? Is the variable/handle declared static to avoid scope issues? I am just trying to take shots in the dark as to why I seem to have no video memory available. Perhaps the best solution would be to quit bothering you, download the source and do some debugging myself so that I can provide something useful to the discussion. Joel ----Original Message----- From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] Sent: 31 October 2000 20:17 To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Subject: Definition of surface terms Here are three definitions, taken from the MSDN Library, to help us look for the problem with the test xf_dx.dll code. Knowing these definitions may help some of you verify driver support, and it will help to make sure that we are all talking about the same thing. Following the three definitions are some further explanations, written by me. Primary surface: The area in memory containing the image being displayed on the monitor. Offscreen surface: A conceptually rectangular area in memory that is generally used to store bitmaps to be blitted to a back buffer before being displayed. Overlay surface: A conceptually rectangular area in memory whose stored image information covers the image information of the primary surface to which it is applied. Overlays are assumed to be on top of all other screen components. The original xf_dx.dll code (released circa. June 6, 2000) writes directly to the primary surface memory; a handle to the memory is opened when the X Server starts, then closed when the X Server exits. Opening a handle to the primary surface frame buffer causes the Win16Mutex to be held on Windows 95 and 98 machines. Holding the Win16Mutex for extended periods of time causes Windows 95 and 98 to stop responding, as certain parts of the Windows 95 and 98 GDI and User code must acquire the Win16Mutex before they are allowed to run. Windows NT does not wait for the Win16Mutex, so the primary surface memory handle can stay open for the duration of execution. The test release opens a handle to an overlay surface that is created in video memory in addition to the primary surface frame buffer that already exists. You display an overlay by telling the video card the address of the overlay frame buffer and coordinates on the primary surface where you would like the overlay displayed. Holding a handle to an overlay surface does not hold the Win16Mutex, thus preventing problems with Windows 95 and 98. Offscreen surfaces are similar to overlay surfaces in that both types of surfaces do not modify the frame buffer containing the current screen contents. However, overlay surfaces must be allocated in video memory as the video card needs to be able to display the overlay instead of the primary surface, when the overlay is being displayed. Hope that helps, Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue Oct 31 13:01:00 2000 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:01:00 -0000 Subject: Definition of surface terms References: Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C2151661@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > have no video memory available. Perhaps the best solution would be to > quit bothering you, download the source and do some debugging > myself so > that I can provide something useful to the discussion. That certainly would be the BEST solution. More people can help more problems we can fix :-) Suhaib > > Joel > > ----Original Message----- > From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com > [ mailto:Harold@compasstechnologies.com ] > Sent: 31 October 2000 20:17 > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Definition of surface terms > > > Here are three definitions, taken from the MSDN Library, to help us > look for > the problem with the test xf_dx.dll code. Knowing these > definitions may > help some of you verify driver support, and it will help to make sure > that > we are all talking about the same thing. Following the three > definitions > are some further explanations, written by me. > > Primary surface: The area in memory containing the image being > displayed on > the monitor. > > Offscreen surface: A conceptually rectangular area in memory that is > generally used to store bitmaps to be blitted to a back buffer before > being > displayed. > > Overlay surface: A conceptually rectangular area in memory > whose stored > image information covers the image information of the primary > surface to > which it is applied. Overlays are assumed to be on top of all other > screen > components. > > The original xf_dx.dll code (released circa. June 6, 2000) writes > directly > to the primary surface memory; a handle to the memory is opened when > the X > Server starts, then closed when the X Server exits. Opening a handle > to the > primary surface frame buffer causes the Win16Mutex to be held on > Windows 95 > and 98 machines. Holding the Win16Mutex for extended periods of time > causes > Windows 95 and 98 to stop responding, as certain parts of the Windows > 95 and > 98 GDI and User code must acquire the Win16Mutex before they are > allowed to > run. Windows NT does not wait for the Win16Mutex, so the primary > surface > memory handle can stay open for the duration of execution. > > The test release opens a handle to an overlay surface that is > created in > video memory in addition to the primary surface frame buffer that > already > exists. You display an overlay by telling the video card the address > of the > overlay frame buffer and coordinates on the primary surface where you > would > like the overlay displayed. Holding a handle to an overlay surface > does not > hold the Win16Mutex, thus preventing problems with Windows 95 and 98. > > Offscreen surfaces are similar to overlay surfaces in that > both types of > surfaces do not modify the frame buffer containing the current screen > contents. However, overlay surfaces must be allocated in > video memory > as > the video card needs to be able to display the overlay instead of the > primary surface, when the overlay is being displayed. > > Hope that helps, > > Harold > From d4ljoyn@yahoo.com Tue Oct 31 13:27:00 2000 From: d4ljoyn@yahoo.com (Dave Joyner) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:27:00 -0000 Subject: Direct Draw init - back creation Message-ID: <20001031212702.53881.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> No luck there -- anyway, thanks for your time -- I've now tried nearly every combination --- Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Joyner [ mailto:d4ljoyn@yahoo.com ] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:48 PM > > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > > Subject: RE: Direct Draw init - back creation > failed -- again > > > > > > No -- I've just downloaded the binaries -- no > special > > exe or dll > > Thanks > > Dave Joyner > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's > FREE. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > From the xc-4-binaries directory you can download > XWin-Win9x-Me.tar.bz2 > > First rename the /usr/X11R6/bin/Xwin.exe to > XWin.exe-orig > then extract XWin-Win9x-Me.tar.bz2 and copy the > XWin.exe to /usr/X11R6/bin. > > Let me know if that helps on Win2K. > > For the laptop try editing startxwin.bat > and use startxwin -screen 0 640x480x16 > > > Suhaib > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Harold@compasstechnologies.com Tue Oct 31 19:12:00 2000 From: Harold@compasstechnologies.com (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:12:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Overlay and No DirectInput Test 5 - No Overlays Message-ID: <896908DA55C4D311B9C000C04F01A05410A7C4@ENTERPRISE> *This test should work on almost all machines* I got rid of overlays in favor of writing to an offscreen buffer and occasionally blitting (copying) the contents of that offscreen buffer to the display memory (primary surface). This should work on almost all machines. I have tested it on my Windows 2000 and my Windows 98 machines; it works. I'm not saying it has the best performance in the world, but it does work. Updates in this test release were constrained to xf_dx.dll, so, if you already have the Test 3 full package (OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2) installed, you can just download the xf_dx.dll package; otherwise, download the full Test 5 package. Full Test 5 Package: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/OverlayAndNoDITest.tar.bz2 (1.7 MB) Test 5 xf_dx.dll Package: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx.dll.tar.bz2 (43 kB) You can download the xf_dx.dll test 5 source if you have Visual C++ 6 and you feel like poking around: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xf_dx-src.zip (14 kB) Good luck, enjoy, and thanks for testing, Harold