From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Tue May 1 00:42:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 00:42:00 -0000 Subject: enlightenment & Eterm References: <20010430101212.C835@valinux.com> <000101c0d1ee$2b728140$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <20010501084307.G2669@valinux.com> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:24:01PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > Alan, > > I implemented your patches, but compilation fails when UseCygIPC is NO or > undefined, as HasShmDefines is not defined in those cases, so > StandardDefines gets the string 'HasShmDefines' rather than the value of > HasShmDefines. > > I added a define for HasShmDefines to /**/ when UseCygIPC is NO. > Thanks. That what should have been done. Alan. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 1 03:42:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 03:42:00 -0000 Subject: enlightenment & Eterm Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36B9@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Harold in your host.def file you need to put #define UseCygIPC YES I used Alan patch last night and it worked just fine, provided you edit your host.def file. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:24 PM > To: 'Alan Hourihane'; cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: RE: enlightenment & Eterm > > > Alan, > > I implemented your patches, but compilation fails when > UseCygIPC is NO or > undefined, as HasShmDefines is not defined in those cases, so > StandardDefines gets the string 'HasShmDefines' rather than > the value of > HasShmDefines. > > I added a define for HasShmDefines to /**/ when UseCygIPC is NO. > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Alan > > Hourihane > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:12 AM > > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > > Subject: enlightenment & Eterm > > > > > > Just thought I'd let people know - that with the help of > the add-on to > > cygwin - cygipc. I've been able to build a shared memory > > version of libXext > > and therefore also I've now been able to compile the > > enlightenment window > > manager and Eterm. Very nice! > > > > I got CygIPC from > > http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/users/cwilson/cygutils/v1.1/cygipc > > > > You have to do a little hacking on enlightenment & Eterm to > > build properly too. > > > > There's also a small patch to the cygwin.cf and one to > > X11/Font.c (looks like it > > was older cygipc.h support). Attached below. > > > > So when building X, all you need to put in your > > xc/config/cf/host.def is > > > > #define UseCygIPC YES > > > > and you'll get a shared memory version of X. > > > > Alan. > > > > Index: cygwin.cf > > =================================================================== > > RCS file: /X11R6/x-cvs/xc/config/cf/cygwin.cf,v > > retrieving revision 3.9 > > diff -u -r3.9 cygwin.cf > > --- cygwin.cf 2001/04/27 12:32:42 3.9 > > +++ cygwin.cf 2001/04/30 08:45:42 > > @@ -34,7 +34,12 @@ > > #define HasLibCrypt YES > > #define HasPutenv YES > > #define HasPoll NO > > -#define HasShm NO > > +#if UseCygIPC > > +# define HasShm YES > > +# define HasShmDefines -DHAS_SHM > > +#else > > +# define HasShm NO > > +#endif > > #define HasSnprintf YES > > #define HasZlib YES > > > > @@ -103,7 +108,7 @@ > > > > #define OptimizedCDebugFlags -O2 -fno-strength-reduce > > -fpcc-struct-return -m486 > > > > -#define StandardDefines -D__i386__ > > -DWIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN -DX_LOCALE -D_X86_ -D__STDC__ > > -DNO_TCP_H -D__CYGWIN__ -D_XOPEN_SOURCE > > -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE > > -D_GNU_SOURCE -DX_SOURCE > > +#define StandardDefines -D__i386__ > > -DWIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN -DX_LOCALE -D_X86_ -D__STDC__ > > -DNO_TCP_H -D__CYGWIN__ -D_XOPEN_SOURCE > > -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE > > -D_GNU_SOURCE -DX_SOURCE HasShmDefines > > > > #define XawI18nDefines -DUSE_XWCHAR_STRING -DUSE_XMBTOWC > > #define HasWChar32 YES > > Index: Font.c > > =================================================================== > > RCS file: /X11R6/x-cvs/xc/lib/X11/Font.c,v > > retrieving revision 1.12 > > diff -u -r1.12 Font.c > > --- Font.c 2001/01/17 19:41:35 1.12 > > +++ Font.c 2001/04/30 08:11:07 > > @@ -39,11 +39,7 @@ > > #ifdef USE_XF86BIGFONT > > #include > > #ifdef HAS_SHM > > -#ifndef __CYGWIN__ > > #include > > -#else > > -#include > > -#endif > > #include > > #endif > > > From oddvard.myrnes@stoltoffshore.no Tue May 1 04:08:00 2001 From: oddvard.myrnes@stoltoffshore.no (oddvard.myrnes@stoltoffshore.no) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 04:08:00 -0000 Subject: Myrnes # 2201923- Connectivity Online Support Request (RE: Message-ID: ----- Forwarded by Oddvard Myrnes/SVG/SCS on 01.05.2001 13:08 ----- Oddvard Myrnes To: Edward.Sheung@hummingbird.com 01.05.2001 cc: 11:59 Subject: Re: Myrnes # 2201923- Connectivity Online Support Request(Document link: Oddvard Myrnes) Hi Edward I posted the problem on the cygwin-xfree mailing list and I got help there. It seems that the XFree86 tar files has to be installed using the Cygwin version of TAR. I used the WINZIP program to install it and it screwed up the 'end of line' sequence. All this is is ofcause in the installation manual. I was a little bit to eager to get results and did not take the time to do my reading. http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-installing.html So the problem is fixed :-) Many Thanks Oddvard Edward Sheung cc: "techadmin (E-mail)" Subject: Myrnes # 2201923- Connectivity Online Support 30.04.2001 18:08 Request Mr. Myrnes: Your reference to this support incident has been logged as 22019223. Please clarified the problem further, which keyboard file are you using? Did it ever work before? If so, what has change? Is the keyboard input problem happen for all keys? How many PC has this problem? Thank you. Regards, Edward Sheung Technical Support Representative, Exceed & HostExplorer Hummingbird. Ltd. 1 Sparks Avenue Toronto, Ontario M2H 2W1 Tel: (416)-496-2200, ext 2222 1-877-359-4866 Fax: (416)-496-7624 E-mail: Edward.Sheung@hummingbird.com Web site: www.hummingbird.com -----Original Message----- From: Hummingbird Support [ mailto:support@hcl.com ] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:05 PM To: edward.sheung@hcl.com Subject: Myrnes # 2201923- Connectivity Online Support Request -----Original Message----- From: webmaster@hummingbird.com Date: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:08 AM Subject: Connectivity Online Support Request Firstname: Oddvard Lastname: Myrnes Telephone: (47) 51845000 Email: xomy@stoltoffshore.no Company: Stolt Offshore Address: Verven 4 City: Stavanger State: none PCZip: 4004 Stavanger Country: Norway Hummingbird_Product: Exceed for Windows NT serial_number: EXMPIV-160152 version: 6.2 OS3: WindowsNT service_pack: 6 host: HP-UX, LINUX, CYGWIN comments: Cant use keyboard input from cygwin applications on localhost. From oddvard.myrnes@stoltoffshore.no Tue May 1 04:10:00 2001 From: oddvard.myrnes@stoltoffshore.no (oddvard.myrnes@stoltoffshore.no) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 04:10:00 -0000 Subject: Myrnes # 2201923- Connectivity Online Support Request. Not able to givekeyboard input to Motif widgets. Message-ID: ----- Forwarded by Oddvard Myrnes/SVG/SCS on 01.05.2001 13:10 ----- Oddvard Myrnes To: Edward.Sheung@hummingbird.com 01.05.2001 cc: 11:59 Subject: Re: Myrnes # 2201923- Connectivity Online Support Request(Document link: Oddvard Myrnes) Hi Edward I posted the problem on the cygwin-xfree mailing list and I got help there. It seems that the XFree86 tar files has to be installed using the Cygwin version of TAR. I used the WINZIP program to install it and it screwed up the 'end of line' sequence. All this is is ofcause in the installation manual. I was a little bit to eager to get results and did not take the time to do my reading. http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-installing.html So the problem is fixed :-) Many Thanks Oddvard Edward Sheung cc: "techadmin (E-mail)" Subject: Myrnes # 2201923- Connectivity Online Support 30.04.2001 18:08 Request Mr. Myrnes: Your reference to this support incident has been logged as 22019223. Please clarified the problem further, which keyboard file are you using? Did it ever work before? If so, what has change? Is the keyboard input problem happen for all keys? How many PC has this problem? Thank you. Regards, Edward Sheung Technical Support Representative, Exceed & HostExplorer Hummingbird. Ltd. 1 Sparks Avenue Toronto, Ontario M2H 2W1 Tel: (416)-496-2200, ext 2222 1-877-359-4866 Fax: (416)-496-7624 E-mail: Edward.Sheung@hummingbird.com Web site: www.hummingbird.com -----Original Message----- From: Hummingbird Support [ mailto:support@hcl.com ] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:05 PM To: edward.sheung@hcl.com Subject: Myrnes # 2201923- Connectivity Online Support Request -----Original Message----- From: webmaster@hummingbird.com Date: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:08 AM Subject: Connectivity Online Support Request Firstname: Oddvard Lastname: Myrnes Telephone: (47) 51845000 Email: xomy@stoltoffshore.no Company: Stolt Offshore Address: Verven 4 City: Stavanger State: none PCZip: 4004 Stavanger Country: Norway Hummingbird_Product: Exceed for Windows NT serial_number: EXMPIV-160152 version: 6.2 OS3: WindowsNT service_pack: 6 host: HP-UX, LINUX, CYGWIN comments: Cant use keyboard input from cygwin applications on localhost. From hl212vo@uni-duisburg.de Tue May 1 04:43:00 2001 From: hl212vo@uni-duisburg.de (Holger Vogt) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 04:43:00 -0000 Subject: 3Button emulation (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3AEEA1F2.9BB8CDB4@unidui.uni-duisburg.de> Hi. I can't run the example, e.g. start Xwin-emu3.exe -emulate3 -emu3timeout 50 -screen 0 1024x768x24 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 tells me: unrecognized option 50 and displays the UseMsg () Without "-emu3timeout 50" xevs shows button 1 and 3 Button 2 comes sometimes combined with 1 (or 3). Maybe because 50ms is to fast. Holger Alexander Gottwald schrieb: > Hi, > > I've done some hacking and created a 3 button mouse emulation for 2 button > mice. The emulation can be switched on with "-emulate3" and the timeout > can be set via "-emu3timeout n" with an default of 50ms. > > The patch is taken against Harolds source tarball from April 22. > > I will provide an binary on www.gotti.org [1] > > bye > ago > > [1] http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/XWin-emu3.exe.bz2 > -- > Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de > http://www.gotti.org > +49 3725 3498080 > From a.eibach@gmx.net Tue May 1 06:38:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 06:38:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Shadow Framebuffer Test 1 Message-ID: <026601c0d243$f28ad340$100b07d5@andreas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Eibach" To: "Suhaib Siddiqi" Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Shadow Framebuffer Test 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Shadow Framebuffer Test 1 > I am not into XEmacs. Does XEmacs run without an X-server? > IIRC, yes. At least my Linux allowed me to run it without firing up my X server. I agree that the name _X_Emacs is a little confusing in this case. Andreas From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Tue May 1 06:48:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 06:48:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] emu3timeout Message-ID: Hi, after reading the sources and not only copying them, I can provide a patch for the -emu3timeout problem. We now return the information, that we've processed 2 and not only 1 argument from -emu3timeout. --- InitOutput.c.old Tue May 1 15:42:29 2001 +++ InitOutput.c Tue May 1 15:43:39 2001 @@ -411,7 +411,7 @@ } /* Indicate that we have processed this argument */ - return 1; + return 2; } return 0; } I have not checked the issue of the to short timeout but I'll do it later. bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From rowbeartoj@yahoo.com Tue May 1 06:59:00 2001 From: rowbeartoj@yahoo.com (Rob B) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 06:59:00 -0000 Subject: DDD Open Program dialog - Parent Refused Resize Request Error Message-ID: <20010501135915.25408.qmail@web3305.mail.yahoo.com> I was wondering if somebody here could help me. I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list, but I think it might be. I built DDD-3.3 on my WIN95 platform with cygwin, xfree version 4.0.3 and lesstif version 0.92.26. I am using Exceed 6.2 as my X-server. I also have my XKeysymDB and XErrorDB variables set properly and am able to see my keyboard input. When I run DDD, and I select File->Open Program. When I get the dialog box, I try to double click on directory names to change the directory. After a few tries of double clicking (nothing seems to happen the first time), the directory is changed, but I get a whole bunch of warning messages which are shown at the end of this email. The .exe files also don't seem to show up in the right side where I should see them. Does anybody know what I can do to get rid of these warnings? I've searched the FAQ and several mailing lists and didn't find an answer. Is this a problem with xfree, lesstif or DDD? Somebody has DDD version 3.2 on our UNIX network here, and I ran that using my PC as the X-server (Exceed 6.2) and didn't see that problem. The error messages that I am getting are the following: Warning: Name: DirList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is DirListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 221 h 134, Second request w 219 h 132 Parent size 244 155 (Annoyed? Try 'Edit->Preferences->General->Suppress X Warnings'!) Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: DirList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is DirListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 221 h 134, Second request w 219 h 132 Parent size 244 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: DirList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is DirListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 221 h 134, Second request w 219 h 132 Parent size 244 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: DirList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is DirListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 221 h 134, Second request w 219 h 132 Parent size 244 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: DirList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is DirListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 221 h 134, Second request w 219 h 132 Parent size 244 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: DirList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is DirListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 221 h 134, Second request w 219 h 132 Parent size 244 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: DirList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is DirListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 221 h 134, Second request w 219 h 132 Parent size 244 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 Warning: Name: ItemsList Class: XmList Parent refused resize request. Second XtMakeGeometryRequest() failed Parent is ItemsListSW (XmScrolledWindow) Original request w 34 h 134, Second request w 32 h 132 Parent size 57 155 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From oddvard.myrnes@stoltoffshore.no Tue May 1 07:10:00 2001 From: oddvard.myrnes@stoltoffshore.no (oddvard.myrnes@stoltoffshore.no) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 07:10:00 -0000 Subject: DDD Open Program dialog - Parent Refused Resize Request Error Message-ID: Hi. I have experienced the same problem but I have not resolved it yet. Anyways, the right list for this is the cygwin-xfree list. You subscribe to it from the XFree home page, or the cygwin home page, can't remeber which. Oddvard From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 1 07:13:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 07:13:00 -0000 Subject: DDD Open Program dialog - Parent Refused Resize Request Error Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36BD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Actually right list for this might be LessTif list :-) This is libXm.a issue which is LessTif Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: oddvard.myrnes@stoltoffshore.no > [ mailto:oddvard.myrnes@stoltoffshore.no ] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:07 AM > To: rowbeartoj@yahoo.com > Cc: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Re: DDD Open Program dialog - Parent Refused Resize Request > Error > > > > Hi. > > I have experienced the same problem but I have not resolved it yet. > Anyways, the right list for this is the cygwin-xfree list. > You subscribe to > it from the XFree home page, or the cygwin home page, can't > remeber which. > > Oddvard > From Kevin.Nolish@marconi.com Tue May 1 07:19:00 2001 From: Kevin.Nolish@marconi.com (Nolish, Kevin) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 07:19:00 -0000 Subject: Windows ME - Unable to connect to server Message-ID: <4FBEA8857476D311A03300204840E1CF02A08E67@whq-msgusr-02.pit.comms.marconi.com> Configuration Windows ME system with Cygwin and XFree installed as of Saturday. Problem I receive "unable to connect to server" messages from both xterm and twm. When I start up X, I get a root window and the mouse can move the cursor. Buttons do not pop up menus, nor are there any other items displayed in the X window. Best guess is that this is the root window behavior from a manager-less X server. What I've Tried I've tried starting from both bash via startx and from the explorer via startxwin.bat. Sadly, the /B option to the start command isn't implemented in Windows ME DOS commands, so I cannot get the message dumps while running in ME. Starting Via Startxwin.bat I startup the file and the script creates a full sized X root window. I believe that both the xterm and twm DOS windows have error messages, but the /B option doesn't work and I've not been able to read the messages fast enough. ( Once in a while, I do find myself longing for the days of 20Mhz 386 systems, but I digress) I then bounced over to cygwin and tried to manually invoke twm twm -display 127.0.0.1:0.0 twm: unable to open display "127.0.0.1:0.0" I can telnet to 127.0.0.1, port 6000 without receiving a connection refused message, so at some level the socket code seems to be working. Starting via startx The root window appears. I see the usual startup messages and then see the following message: waiting for X server to begin accepting connections . .. < a bunch of lines of this form after a while, the program times out and exits with the message giving up. xinit: The descriptor is a file, not a socket (errno 108): unable to connecto to % server waiting for X server to shut down xinit: Server error. At this point the root window goes away. Kevin Nolish < mailto:kevin.nolish@marconi.com > From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 1 08:22:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:22:00 -0000 Subject: enlightenment & Eterm References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36B9@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <000001c0d252$350bf060$2fab0a23@huntharo> Suhaib, > in your host.def file you need to put > #define UseCygIPC YES Nope. Read me email before responding :) I was talking about the case when someone does not want to build with IPC, in which case the patch caused the build to fail. Harold From ppfaffman@bigsandy.com Tue May 1 11:52:00 2001 From: ppfaffman@bigsandy.com (Phillip R. Pfaffman) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:52:00 -0000 Subject: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server References: <3.0.3.32.20010430005827.00970100@bigsandy.com> <002001c0d1a5$c1b15fd0$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010501114739.03a30b10@bigsandy.com> Harold, At 02:45 PM 4/30/01 -0400, you wrote: ..... > > >Did you use Cygwin's tar to extract the Cygwin/XFree86 tarballs? No? Then >reinstall using Cygwin's tar, as described in the User's Guide. I'm going >to bet that the message XWin emits right before crashing is 'cannot find >font...'. > > This was an excellent guess. By following your suggestion below about putting the /B back on the XWin start line in startxwin.bat (BTW, /B is not present on that line in the distribution), I was able to observe the following in the launching shell window: ___________________________________________________________________ C:\>startxwin _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1018 height 742 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 0000f800 000007e0 0000001f RGB 6 d 16 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server "192.168.152.99:0.0" XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server "192.168.152.99:0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- The cause of this problem was the way I installed cygwin-xfree: after downloading and bunzip2ing the files (which were not exactly as described in the User's Guide - there are 19 font files - none of which is the font file listed in the Guide - and several other unlisted files, probably for alternative configurations), I proceeded to do an unzip on each tar file with WinZip. This apparently did not work and was why Xwin could not find the font file. I redid this step using tar -xf, and everything did work. ..... >For some reason your server is crashing on startup; put the /B back on your >XWin start line and we might be able to figure out why XWin is crashing on >startup. Note that /B will cause XWin's output to be in the launching shell >window. > >Harold > Another couple of things I had to do that were suggested by the list archives were to change the -screen ?resolution? on the XWin start line from 1024x768x32 to 1024x768x16, and to remove the -engine 4. This avoided a STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO from XWin. Thanks again for the help. Regards, Phillip R. Pfaffman ppfaffman@bigsandy.com [Home/Office] +1-626-798-8649 [Fax] +1-626-791-8281 [PGP fingerprint] 224A A856 B8EA 3073 221C 1550 3B44 9BDD 951B 9028 [PGP Key Site] ldap://certserver.pgp.com From a.eibach@gmx.net Tue May 1 13:03:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:03:00 -0000 Subject: Nothing happens after startxwin References: <003b01c0bf17$569a7510$a27ba8c0@dell> Message-ID: <078b01c0d279$b2dede40$100b07d5@andreas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo Uzcategui" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 6:00 AM Subject: Nothing happens after startxwin > Hi, > First, let me say I am a first time user of Cygwin/XFree86 but have > experience using UNIX . I installed the latest binaries on a Win2K box and > had no problems during installation. The tools all seem to be working fine > but when I tried to start the X server using startxwin.bat, the server > starts OK but none of the xapps started after XWin comes up. Here's XWin > results: > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > pwin->width = 00000400 > pwin->height = 00000300 > pwin->paddedWidth = 00000800 > pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000010 > calling winAllocateFramebufferMemory > calling cfb16ScreenInit( 0a017f40, 23580000, 00000400, 00000300, 00000064, > 00000064, 00000400 ) > Successful addition of Screen 0xa018128 0xa017f40 > error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > Switch: 0xa017f40, 0xa0203b0 That's simply not your fault. I solved it anyway. The original startxwin.bat (NOTE: THERE ARE TWO! It depends on the order you install the X Files, I suggest for the future to create a kind of setup.exe to get a fixed order) uses start /B The /B option isn't supported in Win98 / ME, so it can't work. I manually deleted the /B option from the .bat file, and now I got it working. Honestly, I don't know where I've seen the "second" startxwin.bat, one of them was in the devel package, that's the one I use and it uses the /B option, which is NT only. Try this.. Andreas From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 1 13:11:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:11:00 -0000 Subject: Nothing happens after startxwin References: <078b01c0d279$b2dede40$100b07d5@andreas> Message-ID: <000401c0d27a$92b40bd0$2fab0a23@huntharo> Actually, the messages generated by XWin.exe on startup are a dead give away that the version of Cygwin/XFree86 being referred to are from June 2000, not from March 2001. Old versions of Cygwin/XFree86 are unsupported, as are current versions, but at least current versions are a little less unsupported :) Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Andreas > Eibach > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 4:03 PM > To: Leo Uzcategui > Cc: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: Nothing happens after startxwin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leo Uzcategui" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 6:00 AM > Subject: Nothing happens after startxwin > > > > Hi, > > First, let me say I am a first time user of Cygwin/XFree86 but have > > experience using UNIX . I installed the latest binaries on > a Win2K box and > > had no problems during installation. The tools all seem to > be working fine > > but when I tried to start the X server using startxwin.bat, > the server > > starts OK but none of the xapps started after XWin comes > up. Here's XWin > > results: > > > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > > pwin->width = 00000400 > > pwin->height = 00000300 > > pwin->paddedWidth = 00000800 > > pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000010 > > calling winAllocateFramebufferMemory > > calling cfb16ScreenInit( 0a017f40, 23580000, 00000400, > 00000300, 00000064, > > 00000064, 00000400 ) > > Successful addition of Screen 0xa018128 0xa017f40 > > error opening security policy file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > > Switch: 0xa017f40, 0xa0203b0 > > That's simply not your fault. > I solved it anyway. > > The original startxwin.bat (NOTE: THERE ARE TWO! It depends > on the order you > install the X Files, I suggest for the future to create a > kind of setup.exe > to get a fixed order) uses start /B > The /B option isn't supported in Win98 / ME, so it can't work. > I manually deleted the /B option from the .bat file, and now I got it > working. > Honestly, I don't know where I've seen the "second" > startxwin.bat, one of > them was in the devel package, that's the one I use and it uses the /B > option, which is NT only. > > Try this.. > > Andreas > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 1 13:14:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:14:00 -0000 Subject: Nothing happens after startxwin Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36BF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Who is distributing those old versions? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 4:09 PM > To: 'Andreas Eibach'; 'Leo Uzcategui' > Cc: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: RE: Nothing happens after startxwin > > > Actually, the messages generated by XWin.exe on startup are a > dead give away > that the version of Cygwin/XFree86 being referred to are from > June 2000, not > from March 2001. Old versions of Cygwin/XFree86 are > unsupported, as are > current versions, but at least current versions are a little less > unsupported :) > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Andreas > > Eibach > > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 4:03 PM > > To: Leo Uzcategui > > Cc: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > > Subject: Re: Nothing happens after startxwin > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Leo Uzcategui" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 6:00 AM > > Subject: Nothing happens after startxwin > > > > > > > Hi, > > > First, let me say I am a first time user of > Cygwin/XFree86 but have > > > experience using UNIX . I installed the latest binaries on > > a Win2K box and > > > had no problems during installation. The tools all seem to > > be working fine > > > but when I tried to start the X server using startxwin.bat, > > the server > > > starts OK but none of the xapps started after XWin comes > > up. Here's XWin > > > results: > > > > > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > > > pwin->width = 00000400 > > > pwin->height = 00000300 > > > pwin->paddedWidth = 00000800 > > > pwin->bitsPerPixel = 00000010 > > > calling winAllocateFramebufferMemory > > > calling cfb16ScreenInit( 0a017f40, 23580000, 00000400, > > 00000300, 00000064, > > > 00000064, 00000400 ) > > > Successful addition of Screen 0xa018128 0xa017f40 > > > error opening security policy file > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > > > Switch: 0xa017f40, 0xa0203b0 > > > > That's simply not your fault. > > I solved it anyway. > > > > The original startxwin.bat (NOTE: THERE ARE TWO! It depends > > on the order you > > install the X Files, I suggest for the future to create a > > kind of setup.exe > > to get a fixed order) uses start /B > > The /B option isn't supported in Win98 / ME, so it can't work. > > I manually deleted the /B option from the .bat file, and > now I got it > > working. > > Honestly, I don't know where I've seen the "second" > > startxwin.bat, one of > > them was in the devel package, that's the one I use and it > uses the /B > > option, which is NT only. > > > > Try this.. > > > > Andreas > > > From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 1 16:52:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:52:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <20010501233920.E10344@valinux.com> Message-ID: <000101c0d299$64d5db20$2fab0a23@huntharo> I just posted Test 22 to my usual announcement page: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/ Server binary, direct link: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/XWin-Test22.exe.bz2 hw/xwin source, direct link: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/xwin-20010501-1908.tar.bz2 Xserver/Imakefile, direct link (should be the same as XFree86 CVS version): http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/xc-programs-Xserver-20010501-1908.t ar.bz2 Changes: 1) Pulled AltGr handling out of winwakeup.c/winWakeupHandler (), deposited said code into winkeybd.c/winIsFakeCtrl_L (); this function is now called from winwndproc.c/winWindowProc (). Thanks to Alexander Gottwald for showing me the GetMessageTime () function in his 3 button emulation patches; I did not know about this function previously. (me) 2) Some calls to ReleaseDC () had the hdc parameter in the wrong position; thus, an hdc was being leaked. (Alan Hourihane, me) 3) Fixed warnings on some calls to DirectDrawCreate () and IDirectDraw_CreateSurface (). (Alan Hourihane, me) 4) Pulled engine specific WM_ACTIVATEAPP handling out of winwndproc.c/winWindowProc (). Created a new engine dependent function to handle application activation/deactivation. 5) Fixed some coding and commenting style inconsistencies. (me) 6) Fix Xrender extension by adding a call to miSetPixmapDepths () in winscrinit.c/winFinishScreenInitFB (). (Alan Hourihane) Wow, Cygwin/XFree86 development has reached the point where I might have forgotten a change or forgotten to mention who contributed to the change. 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Thank You. --- This message contains no viruses. Guaranteed by Kaspersky Anti-Virus. www.antivirus.lv From Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be Wed May 2 06:22:00 2001 From: Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be (Rouyre Frédéric) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 06:22:00 -0000 Subject: XDM Message-ID: Hi! I was really interested in having the XDM daemon running on my NT4 box (i admit it can be dangerous due to the way it is being run but its just a test...). After changing some stuff in the code of xdm-332 (the only one I could get in a single tar...) I got the wanted window. But what happens is strange. If I make a copy of the authfile to .Xauthority in my home dir, I can execute an X clients. If I remove it, connections are refused by the server (that's normal, I suppose). If now I try to log on, it seems that the .Xauthority file is empty. Where do I have to look for stuff to change? Do you think it could be due to error caused by cygwin calls or due to a *BUGGY* authentication method? (well, every password "works" for now). Regards, ______________________________________________________________ Fr????d????ric Rouyre - OSL OMS-1 Software Analyst Oc???? Software Laboratories SA 11, Rue de Neverl????e B-5020 Namur - Belgium Tel : + 32 81 55 4204 E-mail : Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be Web Site : http://www.osl.be/ To obtain my PK, send me an E-Mail with GET-PUBLIC-KEY as subject Key fingerprint = E735 19B9 71C7 F49D 9F0D 2216 C560 A2BC FE2F BE25 From Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be Wed May 2 07:08:00 2001 From: Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be (Rouyre Frédéric) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:08:00 -0000 Subject: XDM Message-ID: Ok, it seems that the X server crashes just after the Greeting Windows got the password, so its the authentication of the user that makes the XDM child process crash (I'm investigation further but if someone is interested in XDM on NT, help is appreciated) regards, > -----Original Message----- > From: Rouyre Fr????d????ric [SMTP:Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:08 PM > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > Subject: XDM > > Hi! > > I was really interested in having the XDM daemon running on my NT4 > box (i admit it can be dangerous due to the way it is being run but its > just > a test...). After changing some stuff in the code of xdm-332 (the only one > I > could get in a single tar...) I got the wanted window. But what happens is > strange. If I make a copy of the authfile to .Xauthority in my home dir, I > can execute an X clients. If I remove it, connections are refused by the > server (that's normal, I suppose). If now I try to log on, it seems that > the > .Xauthority file is empty. Where do I have to look for stuff to change? Do > you think it could be due to error caused by cygwin calls or due to a > *BUGGY* authentication method? (well, every password "works" for now). > > Regards, > > ______________________________________________________________ > Fr????d????ric Rouyre - OSL OMS-1 > Software Analyst > > Oc???? Software Laboratories SA > 11, Rue de Neverl????e > B-5020 Namur - Belgium > > Tel : + 32 81 55 4204 E-mail : Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be > Web Site : http://www.osl.be/ > > To obtain my PK, send me an E-Mail with GET-PUBLIC-KEY as subject > Key fingerprint = E735 19B9 71C7 F49D 9F0D 2216 C560 A2BC FE2F BE25 > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 2 08:02:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:02:00 -0000 Subject: XDM Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36C4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Can you explain what do you really want to do with xdm on Windows? Login into what? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Rouyre Fr????d????ric [ mailto:Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:54 AM > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > Subject: RE: XDM > > > Ok, it seems that the X server crashes just after the > Greeting Windows got > the password, so its the authentication of the > user that makes the XDM child process crash (I'm > investigation further but > if someone is interested in XDM on NT, help is appreciated) > > regards, > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rouyre Fr????d????ric [SMTP:Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:08 PM > > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > > Subject: XDM > > > > Hi! > > > > I was really interested in having the XDM daemon > running on my NT4 > > box (i admit it can be dangerous due to the way it is being > run but its > > just > > a test...). After changing some stuff in the code of > xdm-332 (the only one > > I > > could get in a single tar...) I got the wanted window. But > what happens is > > strange. If I make a copy of the authfile to .Xauthority in > my home dir, I > > can execute an X clients. If I remove it, connections are > refused by the > > server (that's normal, I suppose). If now I try to log on, > it seems that > > the > > .Xauthority file is empty. Where do I have to look for > stuff to change? Do > > you think it could be due to error caused by cygwin calls > or due to a > > *BUGGY* authentication method? (well, every password > "works" for now). > > > > Regards, > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Fr????d????ric Rouyre - OSL OMS-1 > > Software Analyst > > > > Oc???? Software Laboratories SA > > 11, Rue de Neverl????e > > B-5020 Namur - Belgium > > > > Tel : + 32 81 55 4204 E-mail : Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be > > Web Site : http://www.osl.be/ > > > > To obtain my PK, send me an E-Mail with GET-PUBLIC-KEY as subject > > Key fingerprint = E735 19B9 71C7 F49D 9F0D 2216 C560 A2BC FE2F BE25 > > > > From Lee.LaBarre@baltimore.com Wed May 2 10:43:00 2001 From: Lee.LaBarre@baltimore.com (Lee LaBarre) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:43:00 -0000 Subject: xfce compilation Message-ID: <352AE99D6972D311A6D000508B5AA96090D837@nsamusams1.cdsnsam.baltimore.com> I successfully downloaded and installed the version 3.4.4 of xfce in the contrib file. 1) How do you get scrollbars to work in the xterms as illustrated in the screeshot? 2) I downloaded the latest xfce version (3.8.1) and noticed that it required glib and gtk as well as other modules. a. How did you compile the contributed version (3.4.4) without these modules? b. Is there a way to compile the new xfce version without the modules? c. Have these modules been ported to cygwin-xfree? Cheers, Lee ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information contained in this message is confidential and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error or there are any problems please notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. Baltimore Technologies plc will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or as a result of any virus being passed on. In addition, certain Marketing collateral may be added from time to time to promote Baltimore Technologies products, services, Global e-Security or appearance at trade shows and conferences. This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by Baltimore MIMEsweeper for Content Security threats, including computer viruses. From a.eibach@gmx.net Wed May 2 10:46:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:46:00 -0000 Subject: Current state of pthread implementation? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36B7@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <002d01c0d32f$d48232c0$ce1607d5@andreas> > Well yes, xfree binaries and libraries compile with pthread. No problem. > Server works no problem. xterma nd all clients work - problem. BUT twm and > any other windows manager (such as vtwm and xfce) crashes with pthread > support. Hi Suhaib, I'm like forced to bother you once again, because your last post has caused inconsistencies for some people. The one half (including me) thinks that the _current_ X *BINARIES* are thread-safe thanks to your efforts, but the other half thinks that the current X *SOURCES* can be compiled as thread-safe, which would mean that the X binaries aren't (yet). Can you lift the fog, please? Andreas From s_a_shaikh@yahoo.com Wed May 2 11:15:00 2001 From: s_a_shaikh@yahoo.com (Shamsul Shaikh) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:15:00 -0000 Subject: Compiling Qt Message-ID: <20010502181526.99717.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Has anyone tried to compile Qt for the Cygwin/XFree86 Environment? Any hints? - I am relatively new in the X world :) My objective is to try compiling KDE for our "absolutely awesome" Cygwin/XFree86 Environment. Thx Shams ===== ---- Shamsul A Shaikh, BSc (Hons) in CS, MCPS, MCSE, CNA Graduate Student, Computer Science (Iowa State University) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 2 13:55:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:55:00 -0000 Subject: xfce compilation Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36C5@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > I successfully downloaded and installed the version 3.4.4 of > xfce in the > contrib file. > > 1) How do you get scrollbars to work in the xterms as > illustrated in the > screeshot? xterm -sb -rightbar if you want on right side. > > 2) I downloaded the latest xfce version (3.8.1) and noticed > that it required > glib and gtk as well as other modules. > a. How did you compile the contributed version (3.4.4) > without these > modules? > b. Is there a way to compile the new xfce version without the > modules? > c. Have these modules been ported to cygwin-xfree? You can take MingW32 compiled DLLs and make import libraries. That is wht I did. Suhaib > > Cheers, > > Lee > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------- > The information contained in this message is confidential and > is intended > for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message > in error or > there are any problems please notify the originator immediately. The > unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this > message is > strictly forbidden. Baltimore Technologies plc will not be > liable for direct, > special, indirect or consequential damages arising from > alteration of the > contents of this message by a third party or as a result of > any virus being > passed on. > > In addition, certain Marketing collateral may be added from > time to time to > promote Baltimore Technologies products, services, Global > e-Security or > appearance at trade shows and conferences. > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by > Baltimore MIMEsweeper for Content Security threats, including > computer viruses. > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 2 13:59:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:59:00 -0000 Subject: Current state of pthread implementation? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36C6@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Let's say this. pthread is not officially supported yet. As I said every thing compiled, but windows managers crashed. I would not classify XFree86 under Cygwin as pthread safe yet. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Eibach [ mailto:a.eibach@gmx.net ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:47 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: Current state of pthread implementation? > > > > > Well yes, xfree binaries and libraries compile with > pthread. No problem. > > Server works no problem. xterma nd all clients work - > problem. BUT twm > and > > any other windows manager (such as vtwm and xfce) crashes > with pthread > > support. > > Hi Suhaib, I'm like forced to bother you once again, because > your last post > has caused inconsistencies for some people. The one half > (including me) > thinks that the _current_ X *BINARIES* are thread-safe thanks to your > efforts, but the other half thinks that the current X *SOURCES* can be > compiled as thread-safe, which would mean that the X binaries > aren't (yet). > > Can you lift the fog, please? > > Andreas > From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 2 15:01:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:01:00 -0000 Subject: Compiling Qt References: <20010502181526.99717.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c0d353$1e201820$2fab0a23@huntharo> Ralf Habacker used to be working on compiling KDE. Ralf, are you still around? Any luck so far? Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Shamsul > Shaikh > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 2:15 PM > To: Cygwin XFree86 > Subject: Compiling Qt > > > Hi, > > Has anyone tried to compile Qt for the Cygwin/XFree86 Environment? > Any hints? - I am relatively new in the X world :) > > My objective is to try compiling KDE for our "absolutely awesome" > Cygwin/XFree86 Environment. > > Thx > > Shams > > > > ===== > ---- > Shamsul A Shaikh, BSc (Hons) in CS, MCPS, MCSE, CNA > Graduate Student, Computer Science (Iowa State University) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 2 17:22:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:22:00 -0000 Subject: Errors/warnings during documentation compilation Message-ID: <000001c0d366$ce5efb30$2fab0a23@huntharo> I have always gotten errors/warnings like the following when doing a 'make World'. Generally, there are lots of errors about unterminated string constants. Also, several macros are ignored. I have no idea what any of this means, since I don' look at the documentation :) It would be great if someone knows how to fix this, otherwise I'll add it to my list of things to look into. Harold ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- rm -f GLwDrASB._man cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 -D__drivermansuffi x__= 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release 6.5" "X Version 11"' -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' GLwDrASB._man :17: unterminated string or character constant :1: possible real start of unterminated constant rm -f GLwDrASB.3x.html GLwDrASB.3x-html ../../../config/util/rman -f HTML < GLwDrASB._man \ > GLwDrASB.3x-html && mv -f GLwDrASB.3x-html GLwDrASB.3x.html macro "iX" not recognized -- ignoring ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- rm -f GLwDrawA.3x.html GLwDrawA.3x-html ../../../config/util/rman -f HTML < GLwDrawA._man \ > GLwDrawA.3x-html && mv -f GLwDrawA.3x-html GLwDrawA.3x.html macro "iX" not recognized -- ignoring macro "ne" not recognized -- ignoring rm -f GLwDrAMC._man cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 -D__drivermansuffi x__= 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release 6.5" "X Version 11"' -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' GLwDrAMC._man :17: unterminated string or character constant :1: possible real start of unterminated constant ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- make[5]: Entering directory `/home/administrator/xc/doc/man/GLw' rm -f GLwCMDrA._man cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 -D__drivermansuffi x__= 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release 6.5" "X Version 11"' -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' GLwCMDrA._man :38: unterminated string or character constant :1: possible real start of unterminated constant ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- rm -f GLwDrawA._man cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 -D__drivermansuffi x__= 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release 6.5" "X Version 11"' -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' GLwDrawA._man :420: unterminated string or character constant :1: possible real start of unterminated constant rm -f GLwDrawA.3x.html GLwDrawA.3x-html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 2 17:47:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:47:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES Message-ID: <000101c0d36a$4bc85c30$2fab0a23@huntharo> I applied Alan's patches to lib/X11/Font.c and config/cf/cygwin.cf, then set UseCygIPC to YES. When building lib X11 I get the following errors: Font.o(.text+0xc6f):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmat' Font.o(.text+0xcf2):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmctl' Font.o(.text+0xd37):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' Font.o(.text+0xe18):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status dllwrap: gcc exited with status 1 make: *** [libX11.dll] Error 1 Was there an extra link library added somewhere that was forgotten about? Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 2 19:06:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:06:00 -0000 Subject: Current state of pthread implementation? Message-ID: There is no fog! Suhaib is _able_ to compile a thread-safe version. When Suhaib compiles a thread-safe version all the window managers crash. Suhaib _never_ said that the released binaries are threadsafe. Suhaib said that threads are _not_ supported. Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Eibach [ mailto:a.eibach@gmx.net ] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:47 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: Current state of pthread implementation? > > > > > Well yes, xfree binaries and libraries compile with > pthread. No problem. > > Server works no problem. xterma nd all clients work - > problem. BUT twm > and > > any other windows manager (such as vtwm and xfce) crashes > with pthread > > support. > > Hi Suhaib, I'm like forced to bother you once again, because > your last post > has caused inconsistencies for some people. The one half > (including me) > thinks that the _current_ X *BINARIES* are thread-safe thanks to your > efforts, but the other half thinks that the current X *SOURCES* can be > compiled as thread-safe, which would mean that the X binaries > aren't (yet). > > Can you lift the fog, please? > > Andreas > > From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 2 21:58:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 21:58:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES References: <000101c0d36a$4bc85c30$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <000001c0d38d$59494f40$2fab0a23@huntharo> Nevermind... I found that patches I was looking for. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:45 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > I applied Alan's patches to lib/X11/Font.c and > config/cf/cygwin.cf, then set > UseCygIPC to YES. > > When building lib X11 I get the following errors: > Font.o(.text+0xc6f):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmat' > Font.o(.text+0xcf2):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmctl' > Font.o(.text+0xd37):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > Font.o(.text+0xe18):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > dllwrap: gcc exited with status 1 > make: *** [libX11.dll] Error 1 > > Was there an extra link library added somewhere that was > forgotten about? > > Harold > From rkarcher@frey.de Wed May 2 22:29:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 22:29:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <3AEFCB54.3765369D@upf.es> Message-ID: <20010503072747.A511@kar.berlin.frey.de> Hi, I get a missing cygz.dll, when a start Test 22. That didn't happen with previous versions Reinhard From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 2 23:23:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:23:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <20010503072747.A511@kar.berlin.frey.de> Message-ID: <000001c0d399$4b8bbd00$2fab0a23@huntharo> Reinhard, Are you running Cygwin 1.3.1? Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Reinhard > Karcher > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:28 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > Hi, > I get a missing cygz.dll, when a start Test 22. That didn't happen > with previous versions > > Reinhard > From Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be Wed May 2 23:39:00 2001 From: Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be (Rouyre Frédéric) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:39:00 -0000 Subject: XDM Message-ID: Simply login into the NT box from another station (running another X server) or from my station (a graphical telnet :-)). For now, the test that I do simply offer a login screen that logs no one (xdm runs under my account, but this is a first step). But it doesn't work. After the Verify(...) call, it tries to close the login window and the X server disappear with exit code 0 (and now the .Xauthority file is filled in). When my Xsession file is run, I got _X11Trans... error (due to the fact that the X server has exited). Regards, > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [SMTP:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:02 PM > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > Subject: RE: XDM > > > > Can you explain what do you really want to do with xdm on Windows? > Login into what? > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rouyre Fr????d????ric [ mailto:Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be ] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:54 AM > > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > > Subject: RE: XDM > > > > > > Ok, it seems that the X server crashes just after the > > Greeting Windows got > > the password, so its the authentication of the > > user that makes the XDM child process crash (I'm > > investigation further but > > if someone is interested in XDM on NT, help is appreciated) > > > > regards, > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rouyre Fr????d????ric [SMTP:Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:08 PM > > > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > > > Subject: XDM > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > I was really interested in having the XDM daemon > > running on my NT4 > > > box (i admit it can be dangerous due to the way it is being > > run but its > > > just > > > a test...). After changing some stuff in the code of > > xdm-332 (the only one > > > I > > > could get in a single tar...) I got the wanted window. But > > what happens is > > > strange. If I make a copy of the authfile to .Xauthority in > > my home dir, I > > > can execute an X clients. If I remove it, connections are > > refused by the > > > server (that's normal, I suppose). If now I try to log on, > > it seems that > > > the > > > .Xauthority file is empty. Where do I have to look for > > stuff to change? Do > > > you think it could be due to error caused by cygwin calls > > or due to a > > > *BUGGY* authentication method? (well, every password > > "works" for now). > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Fr????d????ric Rouyre - OSL OMS-1 > > > Software Analyst > > > > > > Oc???? Software Laboratories SA > > > 11, Rue de Neverl????e > > > B-5020 Namur - Belgium > > > > > > Tel : + 32 81 55 4204 E-mail : Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be > > > Web Site : http://www.osl.be/ > > > > > > To obtain my PK, send me an E-Mail with GET-PUBLIC-KEY as subject > > > Key fingerprint = E735 19B9 71C7 F49D 9F0D 2216 C560 A2BC FE2F BE25 > > > > > > > From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 00:50:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 00:50:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES References: <000101c0d36a$4bc85c30$2fab0a23@huntharo> <000001c0d38d$59494f40$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <20010503085051.E873@valinux.com> Make sure you cvs update the whole tree, as there were quite a few other places that needed small fixes. Alan. On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:55:58AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > Nevermind... I found that patches I was looking for. > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:45 PM > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > > > > I applied Alan's patches to lib/X11/Font.c and > > config/cf/cygwin.cf, then set > > UseCygIPC to YES. > > > > When building lib X11 I get the following errors: > > Font.o(.text+0xc6f):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmat' > > Font.o(.text+0xcf2):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmctl' > > Font.o(.text+0xd37):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > > Font.o(.text+0xe18):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > dllwrap: gcc exited with status 1 > > make: *** [libX11.dll] Error 1 > > > > Was there an extra link library added somewhere that was > > forgotten about? > > > > Harold > > From rkarcher@frey.de Thu May 3 00:56:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 00:56:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <20010503072747.A511@kar.berlin.frey.de> <000001c0d399$4b8bbd00$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <20010503095457.A457@kar.berlin.frey.de> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:21:29AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote > > Are you running Cygwin 1.3.1? > > > I get a missing cygz.dll, when a start Test 22. That didn't happen > > with previous versions > > Cygwin 1.3.1-1 Reinhard From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Thu May 3 01:00:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 01:00:00 -0000 Subject: AW: Building with UseCygIPC = YES References: <000001c0d38d$59494f40$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <000501c0d3a6$60119210$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Have you looked at this message http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg00598.html for a cygwin ipc lib ? Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > -----Urspr????ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]Im Auftrag von Harold Hunt > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2001 06:56 > An: 'Cygx (E-mail)' > Betreff: RE: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > Nevermind... I found that patches I was looking for. > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:45 PM > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > > > > I applied Alan's patches to lib/X11/Font.c and > > config/cf/cygwin.cf, then set > > UseCygIPC to YES. > > > > When building lib X11 I get the following errors: > > Font.o(.text+0xc6f):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmat' > > Font.o(.text+0xcf2):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmctl' > > Font.o(.text+0xd37):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > > Font.o(.text+0xe18):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > dllwrap: gcc exited with status 1 > > make: *** [libX11.dll] Error 1 > > > > Was there an extra link library added somewhere that was > > forgotten about? > > > > Harold > > > From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Thu May 3 01:03:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 01:03:00 -0000 Subject: AW: Compiling Qt References: <000b01c0d353$1e201820$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <000601c0d3a6$7fd48580$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Hi I like to tell some details of the kde for cygwin project. a few weeks ago I've heard about a free xfree server from the cygwin project ( http://xfree.cywin.com ), so I downloaded it to see how difficult is to compile kde on windows. I think that running kde on windows could be a good entry for windows users learning and working kde to prepare future migrations to linux or extending the using base of kde. Perhaps one day one can kill explorer and use only kde as windows desktop. So I've compiled kde1.1.2 (in an static version with a few patches) and haven seen that it seems to work fine (kdelibs/-base/-games/utils about 80%). After that I'm started with compiling kde2. This is a little bit complexer and need more knowledge about communication/interprocess details. At now starting single application runs, but kde2.1 based much more on dynamic libraries, which not works at know. I've asked kde.org for ftp space and web site and they grant me space on ftp.kde.org and a website like http://cygwin.kde.org to store all the relating stuff. Yet I'm waiting for access instructions. The main problem at now is compiling dll's for cygwin, in special exporting global data exports. The (at now) supported way on cygwin is to define a dllexport/dllimport -attribute on all data/functions to export. gcc creates special access code for accessing such defined global data. KDE and other big applications don't use this attribute and I think it's a never endless story to add this attribute to all the headers in the future. The solution for this is to leave the header untouched and patch ld to "auto-import" such data symbols. Paul Sokolovsky [ mailto:paul-ml@is.lg.ua ] has implemented a patch for the mingw environment and I have adapted it to a recent binutils release (2.11.90). (Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] has announced to check this patch.) It works fine, but on some applications the windows dll loader could not load the dll because of a segmentation fault. One can reproduce this problem by compiling a shared version of qt-1.45 and starts tetrix.exe or life.exe. All other qt-examples will work. The Source package of the patched QT-Lib is available on my web site, but this is temporally. When having access instructions for ftp.kde.org, the source will be placed there. If anyone likes to get the source immediatelly, please send a mail to me. Remark: This problem although concerns the XFree-Server-lib libICE. In this lib there is one global var "IceLastMajorOpcodeCode" which is used by kde code. One the first kde compiling, I don't use the auto-import feature described above and the result was, that every application linked with this lib contains a private copy of this var, which will not work. Using the auto-import feature solves this problem. When the problem is solved, the next step is to patch libtool to produce shared libraries. At now I'm anylizing the related scripts/Makefiles and one lib (kdelibs/kdecore/libdefakes.dll) is already be compiled. One problem is to solve library dependences, because (i guess) we could not use the -rpath statement. The assumption based on the fact, that unix shared libs contains all required symbols for linking, but on cygwin the symbols are in *.[dll].a libs. I don't know if --rpath could used for *.a libs. Perhaps anyone else have knowledge about this. ToDo: - General compiling with dll's [started] (ld bug fixing on auto-import) libtool patching for shared support [analysing] printing support [not started] sound support [not started] application testing and porting [started] distribution packaging (patched Cygwin installer ?) [not started] resolver lib for qt 2.3 QDNS (KDE2) [not started] bug fixing ... - kde2: starting single applications works but whole kde could not be started, People that asked for helping on kde for cygwin: Jeremy.Greiner [ mailto:jeremy@win1.net ] Michael Goedeker [ mailto:Michael.Goedeker@saght.tessag.com ] Best regards Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > -----Urspr????ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]Im Auftrag von Harold Hunt > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 23:59 > An: 'Shamsul Shaikh'; 'Cygwin XFree86' > Cc: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > Betreff: RE: Compiling Qt > > Ralf Habacker used to be working on compiling KDE. > > Ralf, are you still around? Any luck so far? > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Shamsul > > Shaikh > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 2:15 PM > > To: Cygwin XFree86 > > Subject: Compiling Qt > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone tried to compile Qt for the Cygwin/XFree86 Environment? > > Any hints? - I am relatively new in the X world :) > > > > My objective is to try compiling KDE for our "absolutely awesome" > > Cygwin/XFree86 Environment. > > > > Thx > > > > Shams > > > > > > > > ===== > > ---- > > Shamsul A Shaikh, BSc (Hons) in CS, MCPS, MCSE, CNA > > Graduate Student, Computer Science (Iowa State University) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 03:31:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 03:31:00 -0000 Subject: Errors/warnings during documentation compilation Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36C7@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Harold, This is sed issue under Cygwin. I do not know how to fix sed therefore I have been ignoring them so far. The HTML pages from man pages are created anyway. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:20 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Errors/warnings during documentation compilation > > > I have always gotten errors/warnings like the following when > doing a 'make > World'. > > Generally, there are lots of errors about unterminated string > constants. > > Also, several macros are ignored. > > I have no idea what any of this means, since I don' look at the > documentation :) > > It would be great if someone knows how to fix this, otherwise > I'll add it to > my list of things to look into. > > Harold > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > rm -f GLwDrASB._man > cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 > -D__drivermansuffi > x__= > 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release > 6.5" "X Version > 11"' > -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' > '/^# > *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e > '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' > >GLwDrASB._man > :17: unterminated string or character constant > :1: possible real start of unterminated constant > rm -f GLwDrASB.3x.html GLwDrASB.3x-html > ../../../config/util/rman -f HTML < GLwDrASB._man \ > > GLwDrASB.3x-html && mv -f GLwDrASB.3x-html GLwDrASB.3x.html > macro "iX" not recognized -- ignoring > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > rm -f GLwDrawA.3x.html GLwDrawA.3x-html > ../../../config/util/rman -f HTML < GLwDrawA._man \ > > GLwDrawA.3x-html && mv -f GLwDrawA.3x-html GLwDrawA.3x.html > macro "iX" not recognized -- ignoring > macro "ne" not recognized -- ignoring > rm -f GLwDrAMC._man > cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 > -D__drivermansuffi > x__= > 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release > 6.5" "X Version > 11"' > -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' > '/^# > *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e > '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' > >GLwDrAMC._man > :17: unterminated string or character constant > :1: possible real start of unterminated constant > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > make[5]: Entering directory `/home/administrator/xc/doc/man/GLw' > rm -f GLwCMDrA._man > cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 > -D__drivermansuffi > x__= > 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release > 6.5" "X Version > 11"' > -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' > '/^# > *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e > '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' > >GLwCMDrA._man > :38: unterminated string or character constant > :1: possible real start of unterminated constant > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > rm -f GLwDrawA._man > cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 > -D__drivermansuffi > x__= > 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release > 6.5" "X Version > 11"' > -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' > '/^# > *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e > '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' > >GLwDrawA._man > :420: unterminated string or character constant > :1: possible real start of unterminated constant > rm -f GLwDrawA.3x.html GLwDrawA.3x-html > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 03:34:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 03:34:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36C8@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Check your Xext-def.cpp in lib/Xext It has #ifdef __CYGWIN__ && defined(HAS_SHAM) You may need to add HAS_SHM flag. I compiled with Alan patch as it is, without your modifications, and it compiled. However I think your errors are coming because shm.h? Are they being included? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:45 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > I applied Alan's patches to lib/X11/Font.c and > config/cf/cygwin.cf, then set > UseCygIPC to YES. > > When building lib X11 I get the following errors: > Font.o(.text+0xc6f):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmat' > Font.o(.text+0xcf2):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmctl' > Font.o(.text+0xd37):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > Font.o(.text+0xe18):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > dllwrap: gcc exited with status 1 > make: *** [libX11.dll] Error 1 > > Was there an extra link library added somewhere that was > forgotten about? > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 03:35:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 03:35:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36C9@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Ok, sorry, I should read all the mails before answering :-) Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:56 AM > To: 'Cygx (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > Nevermind... I found that patches I was looking for. > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of > Harold Hunt > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:45 PM > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > > > > I applied Alan's patches to lib/X11/Font.c and > > config/cf/cygwin.cf, then set > > UseCygIPC to YES. > > > > When building lib X11 I get the following errors: > > Font.o(.text+0xc6f):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmat' > > Font.o(.text+0xcf2):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmctl' > > Font.o(.text+0xd37):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > > Font.o(.text+0xe18):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > dllwrap: gcc exited with status 1 > > make: *** [libX11.dll] Error 1 > > > > Was there an extra link library added somewhere that was > > forgotten about? > > > > Harold > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 03:36:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 03:36:00 -0000 Subject: XDM Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CA@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Simply login into the NT box from another station (running > another X server) > or from my station (a graphical telnet :-)). huh? Ok let us know when you can login to NT box :-) Suhaib >For now, the > test that I do > simply offer a login screen that logs no one (xdm runs under > my account, but > this is a first step). But it doesn't work. After the > Verify(...) call, it > tries to close the login window and the X server disappear > with exit code 0 > (and now the .Xauthority file is filled in). When my Xsession > file is run, I > got _X11Trans... error (due to the fact that the X server has exited). > > Regards, > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [SMTP:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:02 PM > > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > > Subject: RE: XDM > > > > > > > > Can you explain what do you really want to do with xdm on Windows? > > Login into what? > > > > Suhaib > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rouyre Fr????d????ric [ mailto:Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be ] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:54 AM > > > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > > > Subject: RE: XDM > > > > > > > > > Ok, it seems that the X server crashes just after the > > > Greeting Windows got > > > the password, so its the authentication of the > > > user that makes the XDM child process crash (I'm > > > investigation further but > > > if someone is interested in XDM on NT, help is appreciated) > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rouyre Fr????d????ric [SMTP:Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:08 PM > > > > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > > > > Subject: XDM > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > I was really interested in having the XDM daemon > > > running on my NT4 > > > > box (i admit it can be dangerous due to the way it is being > > > run but its > > > > just > > > > a test...). After changing some stuff in the code of > > > xdm-332 (the only one > > > > I > > > > could get in a single tar...) I got the wanted window. But > > > what happens is > > > > strange. If I make a copy of the authfile to .Xauthority in > > > my home dir, I > > > > can execute an X clients. If I remove it, connections are > > > refused by the > > > > server (that's normal, I suppose). If now I try to log on, > > > it seems that > > > > the > > > > .Xauthority file is empty. Where do I have to look for > > > stuff to change? Do > > > > you think it could be due to error caused by cygwin calls > > > or due to a > > > > *BUGGY* authentication method? (well, every password > > > "works" for now). > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > Fr????d????ric Rouyre - OSL OMS-1 > > > > Software Analyst > > > > > > > > Oc???? Software Laboratories SA > > > > 11, Rue de Neverl????e > > > > B-5020 Namur - Belgium > > > > > > > > Tel : + 32 81 55 4204 E-mail : > Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be > > > > Web Site : http://www.osl.be/ > > > > > > > > To obtain my PK, send me an E-Mail with GET-PUBLIC-KEY > as subject > > > > Key fingerprint = E735 19B9 71C7 F49D 9F0D 2216 C560 > A2BC FE2F BE25 > > > > > > > > > > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 03:40:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 03:40:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CB@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> That is in contrib directory. That is why i said I DO NOT like forking libraries from master sources and dumping them in contrib directory? This will create more problems in future. Alan: I would luike that cygz.dll patch reversed you applied to CVS. I would prefer to stick with our own libz.dll, instead of a forked dll. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Reinhard Karcher [ mailto:rkarcher@frey.de ] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:55 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:21:29AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote > > > > Are you running Cygwin 1.3.1? > > > > > I get a missing cygz.dll, when a start Test 22. That didn't happen > > > with previous versions > > > > > Cygwin 1.3.1-1 > > Reinhard > From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 03:52:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 03:52:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CB@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503115241.A872@valinux.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 06:39:26AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > That is in contrib directory. > That is why i said I DO NOT like forking libraries from > master sources and dumping them in contrib directory? > > This will create more problems in future. > > Alan: > I would luike that cygz.dll patch reversed you applied to CVS. > I would prefer to stick with our own libz.dll, instead of > a forked dll. > I find that surprisingly odd that the cygwin folk have dumped this in contrib. I'll reverse it of course. Alan. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 03:55:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 03:55:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > Alan: > > I would luike that cygz.dll patch reversed you applied to CVS. > > I would prefer to stick with our own libz.dll, instead of > > a forked dll. > > > I find that surprisingly odd that the cygwin folk have dumped this in > contrib. > > I'll reverse it of course. It is not really main cygwin developer who forked it from master libz. Therefore it is in contrib directory, THEREFORE I am opposed to linked any thing which is forked from master and dumped into contrib directory. Thanks for reversing it. Suhaib > > Alan. > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 04:27:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 04:27:00 -0000 Subject: XDM Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CE@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > As a service, it should be possibe. Yes it is possible as a service, for that purpose, X should run as a service too or at least boot at least should be runing before XDM starts. You need to rewrite the XDM code to do this. >Someone can even create a > desktop on > which the logged in user is different from the one connected > on the default > desktop (i even saw and tried an application running on the winlogon > desktop). > > For now, I don't say login in NT terms, I just want to have my window > manager running on a remote station. For now, I can just get > my xdm "login > window" through XVision server on a remote computer (in fact > I have the same > problem that when I run locally). USE XDMCP. You will get a login screen on the other box. Suhaib > > Regards, > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [SMTP:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com] > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:36 PM > > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > > Subject: RE: XDM > > > > > Simply login into the NT box from another station (running > > > another X server) > > > or from my station (a graphical telnet :-)). > > > > huh? > > Ok let us know when you can login to NT box :-) > > > > Suhaib > > > > >For now, the > > > test that I do > > > simply offer a login screen that logs no one (xdm runs under > > > my account, but > > > this is a first step). But it doesn't work. After the > > > Verify(...) call, it > > > tries to close the login window and the X server disappear > > > with exit code 0 > > > (and now the .Xauthority file is filled in). When my Xsession > > > file is run, I > > > got _X11Trans... error (due to the fact that the X server > has exited). > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [SMTP:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:02 PM > > > > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > > > > Subject: RE: XDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain what do you really want to do with xdm > on Windows? > > > > Login into what? > > > > > > > > Suhaib > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rouyre Fr????d????ric [ mailto:Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be ] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:54 AM > > > > > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > > > > > Subject: RE: XDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, it seems that the X server crashes just after the > > > > > Greeting Windows got > > > > > the password, so its the authentication of the > > > > > user that makes the XDM child process crash (I'm > > > > > investigation further but > > > > > if someone is interested in XDM on NT, help is appreciated) > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Rouyre Fr????d????ric [SMTP:Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:08 PM > > > > > > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > > > > > > Subject: XDM > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > > > I was really interested in having the XDM daemon > > > > > running on my NT4 > > > > > > box (i admit it can be dangerous due to the way it is being > > > > > run but its > > > > > > just > > > > > > a test...). After changing some stuff in the code of > > > > > xdm-332 (the only one > > > > > > I > > > > > > could get in a single tar...) I got the wanted window. But > > > > > what happens is > > > > > > strange. If I make a copy of the authfile to .Xauthority in > > > > > my home dir, I > > > > > > can execute an X clients. If I remove it, connections are > > > > > refused by the > > > > > > server (that's normal, I suppose). If now I try to log on, > > > > > it seems that > > > > > > the > > > > > > .Xauthority file is empty. Where do I have to look for > > > > > stuff to change? Do > > > > > > you think it could be due to error caused by cygwin calls > > > > > or due to a > > > > > > *BUGGY* authentication method? (well, every password > > > > > "works" for now). > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Fr????d????ric Rouyre - OSL OMS-1 > > > > > > Software Analyst > > > > > > > > > > > > Oc???? Software Laboratories SA > > > > > > 11, Rue de Neverl????e > > > > > > B-5020 Namur - Belgium > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel : + 32 81 55 4204 E-mail : > > > Frederic.Rouyre@osl.be > > > > > > Web Site : http://www.osl.be/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To obtain my PK, send me an E-Mail with GET-PUBLIC-KEY > > > as subject > > > > > > Key fingerprint = E735 19B9 71C7 F49D 9F0D 2216 C560 > > > A2BC FE2F BE25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Joerg.Schaible@gft.com Thu May 3 04:45:00 2001 From: Joerg.Schaible@gft.com (Schaible, Jörg) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 04:45:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: Hi there, >> > Alan: >> > I would luike that cygz.dll patch reversed you applied to CVS. >> > I would prefer to stick with our own libz.dll, instead of >> > a forked dll. >> > >> I find that surprisingly odd that the cygwin folk have dumped this in >> contrib. >> >> I'll reverse it of course. > >It is not really main cygwin developer who forked it from master libz. >Therefore it is in contrib directory, THEREFORE I am opposed to linked >any thing which is forked from master and dumped into contrib >directory. > >Thanks for reversing it. IMHO your behaviour is contra-productive, since AFAIK all Cygwin DLLs will have now a cyg prefix instead of lib. The binutils maintainer has applied this path officially to the package, so the cygz.dll *is* the official Cygwin version and there is no other around. This was done due to incompatibilities with MS-DOS versions of this DLL named also libz.dll in various non-Cygwin ports (and therefore is not a forked version). *If* the server is a Cygwin app it *should* use cygz.dll. You may have a look at the real long discussion on this topic searching the Cygwin mailing list. Don't ge me wrong, I don't wanna start any flame war. I just wanna prevent that the Cygwin xfree package will start to become incompatible to the standard Cygwin package - at least as far as I understand the topic. Greetings, J????rg From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 04:49:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 04:49:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > IMHO your behaviour is contra-productive, since AFAIK all > Cygwin DLLs will > have now a cyg prefix instead of lib. I am not going into any more discussion. If you read the mail list from last week. Chris Faylor mentioned "cyg prefix is considered depricated...." So ARE ALL THE DLLs are going to CYG PREFIX? I guess NOT. Suhaib >The binutils maintainer > has applied > this path officially to the package, so the cygz.dll *is* the official > Cygwin version and there is no other around. This was done due to > incompatibilities with MS-DOS versions of this DLL named also > libz.dll in > various non-Cygwin ports (and therefore is not a forked > version). *If* the > server is a Cygwin app it *should* use cygz.dll. > > You may have a look at the real long discussion on this topic > searching the > Cygwin mailing list. > > Don't ge me wrong, I don't wanna start any flame war. I just > wanna prevent > that the Cygwin xfree package will start to become incompatible to the > standard Cygwin package - at least as far as I understand the topic. > > Greetings, > J????rg > From rkarcher@frey.de Thu May 3 04:53:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 04:53:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CB@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503135241.C457@kar.berlin.frey.de> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 06:39:26AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote > > That is in contrib directory. > That is why i said I DO NOT like forking libraries from > master sources and dumping them in contrib directory? Well, I installed zlib with cygwin-setup. So you should document that zlib should be installed for XFREE. Reinhard From cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Thu May 3 05:09:00 2001 From: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com (Corinna Vinschen) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:09:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503140919.D24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 07:48:56AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > > IMHO your behaviour is contra-productive, since AFAIK all > > Cygwin DLLs will > > have now a cyg prefix instead of lib. > > I am not going into any more discussion. If you read the mail list from > last week. > Chris Faylor mentioned "cyg prefix is considered depricated...." So ARE ALL > THE DLLs > are going to CYG PREFIX? I guess NOT. But that has nothing to do with the cyg prefix. The name of the dll itself is in fact not worth to discuss. The problem is in using _any_ other libz library besides the libz which is provided by the Cygwin base distro. Moving it to latest wouldn't be a problem but I don't think that matters. What really matters are the problems which are raised by providing another version of libz.a or libz.dll.a (note the suffix) which load another {lib|cyg|red|foo}z.dll. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Developer mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com Red Hat, Inc. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 05:15:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:15:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D0@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > But that has nothing to do with the cyg prefix. The name of > the dll itself is in fact not worth to discuss. The problem > is in using _any_ other libz library besides the libz which > is provided by the Cygwin base distro. Moving it to latest > wouldn't be a problem but I don't think that matters. > > What really matters are the problems which are raised by > providing another version of libz.a or libz.dll.a (note > the suffix) which load another {lib|cyg|red|foo}z.dll. That I agree. When you start putting the commonly used DLLs (libraries) in /usr/lib, we will consider linking against it. As far as previous post from Joerg about libz.dll being used by MSDOS: In fact if you compile libz with Microsoft or Borland compilers, it creates z.dll and z.lib (not libz.dll and libz.a). Suhaib > > Corinna > > -- > Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails > regarding Cygwin to > Cygwin Developer mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com Red Hat, Inc. From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 05:24:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:24:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <20010503140919.D24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> Message-ID: <20010503132509.B853@valinux.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:09:19PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 07:48:56AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > IMHO your behaviour is contra-productive, since AFAIK all > > > Cygwin DLLs will > > > have now a cyg prefix instead of lib. > > > > I am not going into any more discussion. If you read the mail list from > > last week. > > Chris Faylor mentioned "cyg prefix is considered depricated...." So ARE ALL > > THE DLLs > > are going to CYG PREFIX? I guess NOT. > > But that has nothing to do with the cyg prefix. The name of > the dll itself is in fact not worth to discuss. The problem > is in using _any_ other libz library besides the libz which > is provided by the Cygwin base distro. Moving it to latest > wouldn't be a problem but I don't think that matters. > People perceive the contrib section to be something that is not usually required. We either need to move it to latest, so it becomes a required component. Or, we document it in Cygwin/XFree86 with the following ..... "Cygwin/XFree86 uses it's own zlib library. If you wish to rebuild X with native zlib support from cygwin, you need to get the zlib package from the contrib section and install it. Secondly add the following to your host.def file. #define HasZlib YES Now, rebuild X." I don't have a preference either way, so I'll leave you guys to bash it out. Alan. From Joerg.Schaible@gft.com Thu May 3 05:28:00 2001 From: Joerg.Schaible@gft.com (Schaible, Jörg) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:28:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: Hi Suahib, >So ARE ALL >THE DLLs >are going to CYG PREFIX? That was my last impression. >I guess NOT. Well, I don't wanna argue, I just wanna be sure, that anyone involved has any necessary information. Cywgin has become quite complex. IMHO it would be confusing having different versions of the same library for the same port. Greetings, J????rg From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 05:29:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:29:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D0@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503133006.C853@valinux.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 08:15:40AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > But that has nothing to do with the cyg prefix. The name of > > the dll itself is in fact not worth to discuss. The problem > > is in using _any_ other libz library besides the libz which > > is provided by the Cygwin base distro. Moving it to latest > > wouldn't be a problem but I don't think that matters. > > > > What really matters are the problems which are raised by > > providing another version of libz.a or libz.dll.a (note > > the suffix) which load another {lib|cyg|red|foo}z.dll. > > That I agree. When you start putting the commonly used DLLs (libraries) > in /usr/lib, we will consider linking against it. Suhaib, zlib is already installed in /usr/lib. When you grab it from contrib, it puts a /usr/lib/libz.a and a /usr/lib/libz.dll.a and a /usr/bin/cygz.dll Alan. From cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Thu May 3 05:31:00 2001 From: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com (Corinna Vinschen) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:31:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D0@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503143121.G24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 08:15:40AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > But that has nothing to do with the cyg prefix. The name of > > the dll itself is in fact not worth to discuss. The problem > > is in using _any_ other libz library besides the libz which > > is provided by the Cygwin base distro. Moving it to latest > > wouldn't be a problem but I don't think that matters. > > > > What really matters are the problems which are raised by > > providing another version of libz.a or libz.dll.a (note > > the suffix) which load another {lib|cyg|red|foo}z.dll. > > That I agree. When you start putting the commonly used DLLs (libraries) > in /usr/lib, we will consider linking against it. I don't understand. Regardless of being released under latest or contrib, the libs are in /lib and the dll's in /bin. Moving the release to latest is just an administrative act. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Developer mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com Red Hat, Inc. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 05:34:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:34:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D1@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Hi Suahib, > > >So ARE ALL > >THE DLLs > >are going to CYG PREFIX? > > That was my last impression. > > >I guess NOT. > > Well, I don't wanna argue, I just wanna be sure, that anyone > involved has > any necessary information. Cywgin has become quite complex. > IMHO it would be > confusing having different versions of the same library for > the same port. > The main problem is "support". One starts taking a library from package, such as zlib which 1000's of software use, rename it and put it in a contrib directory, is bound to create "support" issues. As Alan explain, __most__ people do not perceive "contrib" directory as a must, and do not install it. We will be getting many more mails like "I installed XFree86 and I get an error cygz.dll, no such file" etc etc. Therefore as a rule save my headache and reduce support issues I prefer not to link against any library which is in /cygwin/contrib/lib directory. Suhaib > Greetings, > J????rg > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 05:37:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:37:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > I don't understand. Regardless of being released under latest or > contrib, the libs are in /lib and the dll's in /bin. Moving the > release to latest is just an administrative act. OK! Can you move it to "latest"? Many users do not install "contrib" Therefore will be complaining that cygz.dll is not missing when they install XFree86. They will not know it was Cygwin/Xfree86 missed it or it was missing because they choose not to install "contrib". Suhaib > > Corinna > > -- > Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails > regarding Cygwin to > Cygwin Developer > mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com > Red Hat, Inc. > From cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Thu May 3 05:48:00 2001 From: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com (Corinna Vinschen) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:48:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503144818.H24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 08:37:02AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > I don't understand. Regardless of being released under latest or > > contrib, the libs are in /lib and the dll's in /bin. Moving the > > release to latest is just an administrative act. > > OK! Can you move it to "latest"? Many users do not install > "contrib" Therefore will be complaining that cygz.dll is not missing > when they install XFree86. They will not know it was Cygwin/Xfree86 > missed it or it was missing because they choose not to install > "contrib". The decision is up to Chris. Let's ask him when he woked up and had his first coffee of the day... Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Developer mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com Red Hat, Inc. From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 3 08:23:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:23:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES References: <20010503085051.E873@valinux.com> Message-ID: <000f01c0d3e4$938b0660$2fab0a23@huntharo> Alan, I actually patch my tree manually :) However, yesterday I pulled a CVS tree, but it didn't seem to have any of the fixes that were committed to hw/xwin two days ago. Were those changes only committed to a particular branch? If so, which one? Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Hourihane [ mailto:alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk ] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:51 AM > To: Harold Hunt > Cc: 'Cygx (E-mail)' > Subject: Re: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > Make sure you cvs update the whole tree, as there were quite > a few other > places that needed small fixes. > > Alan. > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:55:58AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > > Nevermind... I found that patches I was looking for. > > > > Harold > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf > Of Harold Hunt > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:45 PM > > > To: Cygx (E-mail) > > > Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > > > > > > > I applied Alan's patches to lib/X11/Font.c and > > > config/cf/cygwin.cf, then set > > > UseCygIPC to YES. > > > > > > When building lib X11 I get the following errors: > > > Font.o(.text+0xc6f):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmat' > > > Font.o(.text+0xcf2):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmctl' > > > Font.o(.text+0xd37):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > > > Font.o(.text+0xe18):Font.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > > dllwrap: gcc exited with status 1 > > > make: *** [libX11.dll] Error 1 > > > > > > Was there an extra link library added somewhere that was > > > forgotten about? > > > > > > Harold > > > From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 3 08:27:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:27:00 -0000 Subject: Compiling Qt References: <000601c0d3a6$7fd48580$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Message-ID: <001001c0d3e5$32ef50d0$2fab0a23@huntharo> Ralf, Wow! You are really working hard to get KDE working, keep up the good work! Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of > Ralf Habacker > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:56 AM > To: 'Cygwin XFree86' > Cc: Michael.Goedeker@saght.tessag.com; s_a_shaikh@yahoo.com > Subject: AW: Compiling Qt > > > Hi > I like to tell some details of the kde for cygwin project. > > a few weeks ago I've heard about a free xfree server from the > cygwin project > ( http://xfree.cywin.com ), so I downloaded it to see how > difficult is to > compile > kde on windows. > > I think that running kde on windows could be a good entry for > windows users > learning and working kde to prepare future migrations to > linux or extending > the using base of kde. Perhaps one day one can kill explorer > and use only > kde as windows desktop. > > So I've compiled kde1.1.2 (in an static version with a few > patches) and > haven seen that it seems to work fine > (kdelibs/-base/-games/utils about > 80%). After that I'm started with compiling kde2. This is a little bit > complexer and need more knowledge about > communication/interprocess details. > At now starting single application runs, but kde2.1 based much more on > dynamic libraries, which not works at know. > > I've asked kde.org for ftp space and web site and they grant > me space on > ftp.kde.org and a website like http://cygwin.kde.org to store all the > relating stuff. Yet I'm waiting for access instructions. > > The main problem at now is compiling dll's for cygwin, in > special exporting > global data exports. The (at now) supported way on cygwin is > to define a > dllexport/dllimport -attribute on all data/functions to > export. gcc creates > special access code for accessing such defined global data. > KDE and other big applications don't use this attribute and > I think it's a > never endless story to add this attribute to all the headers > in the future. > > The solution for this is to leave the header untouched and patch ld to > "auto-import" such data symbols. Paul Sokolovsky > [ mailto:paul-ml@is.lg.ua ] > has implemented a patch for the mingw environment and I have > adapted it to a > recent binutils release (2.11.90). (Christopher Faylor > [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] has announced to check this patch.) > It works fine, > but on some applications the windows dll loader could not load the dll > because of a segmentation fault. One can reproduce this > problem by compiling > a shared version of qt-1.45 and starts tetrix.exe or > life.exe. All other > qt-examples will work. The Source package of the patched > QT-Lib is available > on my web site, but this is temporally. When having access > instructions for > ftp.kde.org, the source will be placed there. If anyone likes > to get the > source immediatelly, please send a mail to me. > > Remark: This problem although concerns the XFree-Server-lib > libICE. In this > lib there is one global var "IceLastMajorOpcodeCode" which is > used by kde > code. One the first kde compiling, I don't use the auto-import feature > described above and the result was, that every application > linked with this > lib contains a private copy of this var, which will not work. > Using the > auto-import feature solves this problem. > > When the problem is solved, the next step is to patch libtool > to produce > shared libraries. At now I'm anylizing the related > scripts/Makefiles and one > lib (kdelibs/kdecore/libdefakes.dll) is already be compiled. > One problem is > to solve library dependences, because (i guess) we could not > use the -rpath > statement. The assumption based on the fact, that unix shared > libs contains > all required symbols for linking, but on cygwin the symbols > are in *.[dll].a > libs. I don't know if --rpath could used for *.a libs. > Perhaps anyone else have knowledge about this. > > ToDo: > - General > compiling with dll's [started] > (ld bug fixing on auto-import) > libtool patching for shared support [analysing] > printing support > [not started] > sound support > [not started] > application testing and porting > [started] > distribution packaging (patched Cygwin installer ?) [not started] > resolver lib for qt 2.3 QDNS (KDE2) > [not started] > bug fixing > ... > > - kde2: starting single applications works but whole kde could not be > started, > > People that asked for helping on kde for cygwin: > > Jeremy.Greiner [ mailto:jeremy@win1.net ] > Michael Goedeker [ mailto:Michael.Goedeker@saght.tessag.com ] > > Best regards > > Ralf Habacker > EMail: Ralf@habacker.de > Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > > > -----Urspr????ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]Im Auftrag > von Harold Hunt > > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2001 23:59 > > An: 'Shamsul Shaikh'; 'Cygwin XFree86' > > Cc: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > > Betreff: RE: Compiling Qt > > > > Ralf Habacker used to be working on compiling KDE. > > > > Ralf, are you still around? Any luck so far? > > > > Harold > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Shamsul > > > Shaikh > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 2:15 PM > > > To: Cygwin XFree86 > > > Subject: Compiling Qt > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Has anyone tried to compile Qt for the Cygwin/XFree86 Environment? > > > Any hints? - I am relatively new in the X world :) > > > > > > My objective is to try compiling KDE for our "absolutely awesome" > > > Cygwin/XFree86 Environment. > > > > > > Thx > > > > > > Shams > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > ---- > > > Shamsul A Shaikh, BSc (Hons) in CS, MCPS, MCSE, CNA > > > Graduate Student, Computer Science (Iowa State University) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 08:30:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:30:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES References: <20010503085051.E873@valinux.com> <000f01c0d3e4$938b0660$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <20010503163050.A862@valinux.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:20:23AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > Alan, > > I actually patch my tree manually :) > > However, yesterday I pulled a CVS tree, but it didn't seem to have any of > the fixes that were committed to hw/xwin two days ago. Were those changes > only committed to a particular branch? If so, which one? > They are definately there on the trunk. How did you check out the tree ? Alan. From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 3 10:16:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:16:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES References: <20010503163050.A862@valinux.com> Message-ID: <000001c0d3f4$74fd6b60$2fab0a23@huntharo> CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.xfree86.org:/cvs export CVSROOT cvs login cvs checkout xc That was it. There is only one CVS tree, right? I mean, there isn't a special tree for XFree86 members, is there? When I check tree using CVS web I see the patches, but like I said, the patches didn't come down when I checked out the tree. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Alan > Hourihane > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:31 AM > To: 'Cygx (E-mail)' > Subject: Re: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:20:23AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > > Alan, > > > > I actually patch my tree manually :) > > > > However, yesterday I pulled a CVS tree, but it didn't seem > to have any of > > the fixes that were committed to hw/xwin two days ago. > Were those changes > > only committed to a particular branch? If so, which one? > > > They are definately there on the trunk. > > How did you check out the tree ? > > Alan. From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 3 10:28:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:28:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES References: <20010503163050.A862@valinux.com> Message-ID: <000101c0d3f6$1fcb5a10$2fab0a23@huntharo> In CVSweb the files in question have tag 'HEAD', whereas previous updates had tag 'xf-4_0_99_3'. Does that mean anything? Will the recent patches make it into 4.1.0, as hoped? Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Alan > Hourihane > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:31 AM > To: 'Cygx (E-mail)' > Subject: Re: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:20:23AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > > Alan, > > > > I actually patch my tree manually :) > > > > However, yesterday I pulled a CVS tree, but it didn't seem > to have any of > > the fixes that were committed to hw/xwin two days ago. > Were those changes > > only committed to a particular branch? If so, which one? > > > They are definately there on the trunk. > > How did you check out the tree ? > > Alan. From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 10:40:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:40:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES References: <20010503163050.A862@valinux.com> <000001c0d3f4$74fd6b60$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <20010503184022.A1448@valinux.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 01:14:03PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.xfree86.org:/cvs > export CVSROOT > cvs login > cvs checkout xc > > That was it. > > There is only one CVS tree, right? I mean, there isn't a special tree for > XFree86 members, is there? > Nope. But there are other branches. > When I check tree using CVS web I see the patches, but like I said, the > patches didn't come down when I checked out the tree. > I've just checked it out now and it's definately there. Are you starting from a fresh ? i.e. does your xc/ directory exist with stuff already in before you checkout ? Anyone else have the same problem ? Alan. From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 10:54:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:54:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C362E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <010c01c0c8c6$92530cd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010503185148.B1448@valinux.com> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:47:53PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > Do you know what function call from twm causes the crash? > I've looked into this and it looks like a stack problem in cygwin. This is the backtrace from gdb. But ignore the line number from twm.c. It's complaining about a QueryExtension for the SHAPE routines, but if you skip this it fails at the next Query. #0 0xd19025ff in ?? () #1 0x67004cbf in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () #2 0x67004fa6 in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () #3 0x0040a319 in main (argc=1, argv=0xa010f48) at twm.c:291 #4 0x61003c02 in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () #5 0x61003ddd in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () #6 0x61003e1c in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () #7 0x004531a3 in cygwin_crt0 () Hope this helps Rob. Alan. From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 3 10:57:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:57:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES References: <000001c0d3f4$74fd6b60$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <000301c0d3fa$268307a0$2fab0a23@huntharo> Alan, I just checked out the XFree86 tree again and the patches were still missing. One tell tale sign is that winkeymap.h still exists... Anyway, final exams are over so I'm going home for a few days; I'll be out of contact until Sunday or so. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:14 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.xfree86.org:/cvs > export CVSROOT > cvs login > cvs checkout xc > > That was it. > > There is only one CVS tree, right? I mean, there isn't a > special tree for > XFree86 members, is there? > > When I check tree using CVS web I see the patches, but like I > said, the > patches didn't come down when I checked out the tree. > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Alan > > Hourihane > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:31 AM > > To: 'Cygx (E-mail)' > > Subject: Re: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:20:23AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > > > Alan, > > > > > > I actually patch my tree manually :) > > > > > > However, yesterday I pulled a CVS tree, but it didn't seem > > to have any of > > > the fixes that were committed to hw/xwin two days ago. > > Were those changes > > > only committed to a particular branch? If so, which one? > > > > > They are definately there on the trunk. > > > > How did you check out the tree ? > > > > Alan. > From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 11:07:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:07:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES References: <20010503163050.A862@valinux.com> <000101c0d3f6$1fcb5a10$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <20010503190758.C1448@valinux.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 01:26:01PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > In CVSweb the files in question have tag 'HEAD', whereas previous updates > had tag 'xf-4_0_99_3'. > > Does that mean anything? Will the recent patches make it into 4.1.0, as > hoped? > The tag 'xf-4_0_99_3' is a marker to say when each development snapshot is cut. For example, your hw/xwin/winscrinit.c should be version 1.5. You can check this with cvs status winscrinit.c It should give output that's exactly like this. =================================================================== File: winscrinit.c Status: Up-to-date Working revision: 1.5 Repository revision: 1.5 /home/x-cvs/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xwin/winscrinit.c,v Sticky Tag: (none) Sticky Date: (none) Sticky Options: (none) Everything is in for 4.1.0. Alan. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 11:22:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:22:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > When I check tree using CVS web I see the patches, but like > I said, the > > patches didn't come down when I checked out the tree. > > > I've just checked it out now and it's definately there. > > Are you starting from a fresh ? i.e. does your xc/ directory > exist with > stuff already in before you checkout ? > > Anyone else have the same problem ? > > Alan. > I had this problem once, cvs checkout missed a few files and/or downloaed older files. After I ran once more cvs update on the same directory i was ok Suhaib From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 3 11:31:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:31:00 -0000 Subject: Building with UseCygIPC = YES References: <20010503184022.A1448@valinux.com> Message-ID: <000001c0d3fe$e1601be0$2fab0a23@huntharo> I started fresh both times in an empty directory with the commands listed. Do I need to specify a particular branch? Those patches should be in the default branch, correct? Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Alan > Hourihane > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:40 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Re: Building with UseCygIPC = YES > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 01:14:03PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > > CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.xfree86.org:/cvs > > export CVSROOT > > cvs login > > cvs checkout xc > > > > That was it. > > > > There is only one CVS tree, right? I mean, there isn't a > special tree for > > XFree86 members, is there? > > > Nope. But there are other branches. > > > When I check tree using CVS web I see the patches, but like > I said, the > > patches didn't come down when I checked out the tree. > > > I've just checked it out now and it's definately there. > > Are you starting from a fresh ? i.e. does your xc/ directory > exist with > stuff already in before you checkout ? > > Anyone else have the same problem ? > > Alan. From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 12:34:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:34:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503153245.B6388@redhat.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 07:48:56AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >>IMHO your behaviour is contra-productive, since AFAIK all Cygwin DLLs >>will have now a cyg prefix instead of lib. > >I am not going into any more discussion. If you read the mail list >from last week. Chris Faylor mentioned "cyg prefix is considered >depricated...." So ARE ALL THE DLLs are going to CYG PREFIX? I guess >NOT. I was being a little facetious about deprecating the cyg prefix. It is ok for stuff that is used internally to cygwin, or cygwin-xfree but I don't think it name to a *product* Cygsomething. So cygz.dll is appropriate for shared libraries and will continue to be appropriate for the foreseeable future. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 12:35:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:35:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <20010503144818.H24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> Message-ID: <20010503153339.C6388@redhat.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:48:18PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 08:37:02AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >> >> > I don't understand. Regardless of being released under latest or >> > contrib, the libs are in /lib and the dll's in /bin. Moving the >> > release to latest is just an administrative act. >> >> OK! Can you move it to "latest"? Many users do not install >> "contrib" Therefore will be complaining that cygz.dll is not missing >> when they install XFree86. They will not know it was Cygwin/Xfree86 >> missed it or it was missing because they choose not to install >> "contrib". > >The decision is up to Chris. Let's ask him when he woked up and >had his first coffee of the day... It's up to Chuck, actually. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 12:37:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:37:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <20010503140919.D24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> <20010503132509.B853@valinux.com> Message-ID: <20010503153550.D6388@redhat.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 01:25:09PM +0100, Alan Hourihane wrote: >On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:09:19PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 07:48:56AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >> > > IMHO your behaviour is contra-productive, since AFAIK all >> > > Cygwin DLLs will >> > > have now a cyg prefix instead of lib. >> > >> > I am not going into any more discussion. If you read the mail list from >> > last week. >> > Chris Faylor mentioned "cyg prefix is considered depricated...." So ARE ALL >> > THE DLLs >> > are going to CYG PREFIX? I guess NOT. >> >> But that has nothing to do with the cyg prefix. The name of >> the dll itself is in fact not worth to discuss. The problem >> is in using _any_ other libz library besides the libz which >> is provided by the Cygwin base distro. Moving it to latest >> wouldn't be a problem but I don't think that matters. >> >People perceive the contrib section to be something that is not usually >required. We either need to move it to latest, so it becomes a required >component. Or, we document it in Cygwin/XFree86 with the following ..... Um, isn't XFree86 itself sort of a "contrib" section that is not usually required? >"Cygwin/XFree86 uses it's own zlib library. If you wish to rebuild X with >native zlib support from cygwin, you need to get the zlib package from >the contrib section and install it. Secondly add the following to your >host.def file. How about: "Cygwin/XFree86 uses zlib from the cygwin contrib section. Make sure that you have downloaded the appropriate Cygwin libraries for correct operation." This seems a heck of a lot more friendly than asking people to rebuild. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 12:39:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:39:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D0@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503153812.E6388@redhat.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 08:15:40AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > >> But that has nothing to do with the cyg prefix. The name of >> the dll itself is in fact not worth to discuss. The problem >> is in using _any_ other libz library besides the libz which >> is provided by the Cygwin base distro. Moving it to latest >> wouldn't be a problem but I don't think that matters. >> >> What really matters are the problems which are raised by >> providing another version of libz.a or libz.dll.a (note >> the suffix) which load another {lib|cyg|red|foo}z.dll. > >That I agree. When you start putting the commonly used DLLs (libraries) >in /usr/lib, we will consider linking against it. >As far as previous post from Joerg about libz.dll being used by >MSDOS: In fact if you compile libz with Microsoft or >Borland compilers, it creates z.dll and z.lib (not libz.dll and libz.a). If you use libz.dll.a to link your application it will find /usr/lib/cygz.dll . This is standard behavior. I'm Cc'ing Chuck Wilson since he is the maintainer of this package. It makes no sense to have two different versions of the library distributed with two packages that have the name "cygwin" attached to them. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 12:42:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:42:00 -0000 Subject: Errors/warnings during documentation compilation References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36C7@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503154044.F6388@redhat.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 06:31:03AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >Harold, >This is sed issue under Cygwin. I do not know how to fix sed >therefore I have been ignoring them so far. The HTML pages from man >pages are created anyway. Sounds like a pretty old version of sed or ash. cgf >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:20 PM >> To: Cygx (E-mail) >> Subject: Errors/warnings during documentation compilation >> >> >> I have always gotten errors/warnings like the following when >> doing a 'make >> World'. >> >> Generally, there are lots of errors about unterminated string >> constants. >> >> Also, several macros are ignored. >> >> I have no idea what any of this means, since I don' look at the >> documentation :) >> >> It would be great if someone knows how to fix this, otherwise >> I'll add it to >> my list of things to look into. >> >> Harold >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- >> ----- >> rm -f GLwDrASB._man >> cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 >> -D__drivermansuffi >> x__= >> 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release >> 6.5" "X Version >> 11"' >> -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' >> > '/^# >> *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e >> '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' >> >GLwDrASB._man >> :17: unterminated string or character constant >> :1: possible real start of unterminated constant >> rm -f GLwDrASB.3x.html GLwDrASB.3x-html >> ../../../config/util/rman -f HTML < GLwDrASB._man \ >> > GLwDrASB.3x-html && mv -f GLwDrASB.3x-html GLwDrASB.3x.html >> macro "iX" not recognized -- ignoring >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- >> ----- >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- >> ----- >> rm -f GLwDrawA.3x.html GLwDrawA.3x-html >> ../../../config/util/rman -f HTML < GLwDrawA._man \ >> > GLwDrawA.3x-html && mv -f GLwDrawA.3x-html GLwDrawA.3x.html >> macro "iX" not recognized -- ignoring >> macro "ne" not recognized -- ignoring >> rm -f GLwDrAMC._man >> cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 >> -D__drivermansuffi >> x__= >> 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release >> 6.5" "X Version >> 11"' >> -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' >> > '/^# >> *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e >> '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' >> >GLwDrAMC._man >> :17: unterminated string or character constant >> :1: possible real start of unterminated constant >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- >> ----- >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- >> ----- >> make[5]: Entering directory `/home/administrator/xc/doc/man/GLw' >> rm -f GLwCMDrA._man >> cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 >> -D__drivermansuffi >> x__= >> 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release >> 6.5" "X Version >> 11"' >> -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' >> > '/^# >> *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e >> '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' >> >GLwCMDrA._man >> :38: unterminated string or character constant >> :1: possible real start of unterminated constant >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- >> ----- >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- >> ----- >> rm -f GLwDrawA._man >> cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 >> -D__drivermansuffi >> x__= >> 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release >> 6.5" "X Version >> 11"' >> -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' >> > '/^# >> *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e >> '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' >> >GLwDrawA._man >> :420: unterminated string or character constant >> :1: possible real start of unterminated constant >> rm -f GLwDrawA.3x.html GLwDrawA.3x-html >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- >> ----- >> >> -- cgf@cygnus.com Red Hat, Inc. http://sources.redhat.com/ http://www.redhat.com/ From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 12:48:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:48:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D5@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > >"Cygwin/XFree86 uses it's own zlib library. If you wish to > rebuild X with > >native zlib support from cygwin, you need to get the zlib > package from > >the contrib section and install it. Secondly add the > following to your > >host.def file. > > How about: > > "Cygwin/XFree86 uses zlib from the cygwin contrib section. > Make sure that > you have downloaded the appropriate Cygwin libraries for > correct operation." > > This seems a heck of a lot more friendly than asking people > to rebuild. Well. no, Xfree86 needs to stay in /usr/X11R6 for various reasons otherwise you will be making life of developers a bit more difficult. Suhaib > > cgf > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 12:51:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:51:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D6@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > >That I agree. When you start putting the commonly used DLLs > (libraries) > >in /usr/lib, we will consider linking against it. > >As far as previous post from Joerg about libz.dll being used by > >MSDOS: In fact if you compile libz with Microsoft or > >Borland compilers, it creates z.dll and z.lib (not libz.dll > and libz.a). > > If you use libz.dll.a to link your application it will find > /usr/lib/cygz.dll . > This is standard behavior. > > I'm Cc'ing Chuck Wilson since he is the maintainer of this package. > > It makes no sense to have two different versions of the library > distributed with two packages that have the name "cygwin" attached to > them. I agree, there is no reason to to have two different versions.... was cyz.dll not forked last year, while libz was alrady around for Cygwin as part of X11R6.3 then X11R6.4, and later as XFree86 3.3.6. regardless.... Suhaib > > cgf > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 12:52:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:52:00 -0000 Subject: Errors/warnings during documentation compilation Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D7@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 06:31:03AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > >Harold, > >This is sed issue under Cygwin. I do not know how to fix sed > >therefore I have been ignoring them so far. The HTML pages from man > >pages are created anyway. > > Sounds like a pretty old version of sed or ash. Not really, i get still same warnings from sed distributed with Cygwin 1.1.3. As I said these are the warning, and HTML pages are created anyway, therefore so far I have not paid much attention to it. Suhaib > > cgf > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:20 PM > >> To: Cygx (E-mail) > >> Subject: Errors/warnings during documentation compilation > >> > >> > >> I have always gotten errors/warnings like the following when > >> doing a 'make > >> World'. > >> > >> Generally, there are lots of errors about unterminated string > >> constants. > >> > >> Also, several macros are ignored. > >> > >> I have no idea what any of this means, since I don' look at the > >> documentation :) > >> > >> It would be great if someone knows how to fix this, otherwise > >> I'll add it to > >> my list of things to look into. > >> > >> Harold > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -------------- > >> ----- > >> rm -f GLwDrASB._man > >> cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 > >> -D__drivermansuffi > >> x__= > >> 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release > >> 6.5" "X Version > >> 11"' > >> -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' > >> >> '/^# > >> *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e > >> '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' > >> >GLwDrASB._man > >> :17: unterminated string or character constant > >> :1: possible real start of unterminated constant > >> rm -f GLwDrASB.3x.html GLwDrASB.3x-html > >> ../../../config/util/rman -f HTML < GLwDrASB._man \ > >> > GLwDrASB.3x-html && mv -f GLwDrASB.3x-html GLwDrASB.3x.html > >> macro "iX" not recognized -- ignoring > >> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -------------- > >> ----- > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -------------- > >> ----- > >> rm -f GLwDrawA.3x.html GLwDrawA.3x-html > >> ../../../config/util/rman -f HTML < GLwDrawA._man \ > >> > GLwDrawA.3x-html && mv -f GLwDrawA.3x-html GLwDrawA.3x.html > >> macro "iX" not recognized -- ignoring > >> macro "ne" not recognized -- ignoring > >> rm -f GLwDrAMC._man > >> cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 > >> -D__drivermansuffi > >> x__= > >> 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release > >> 6.5" "X Version > >> 11"' > >> -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' > >> >> '/^# > >> *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e > >> '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' > >> >GLwDrAMC._man > >> :17: unterminated string or character constant > >> :1: possible real start of unterminated constant > >> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -------------- > >> ----- > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -------------- > >> ----- > >> make[5]: Entering directory `/home/administrator/xc/doc/man/GLw' > >> rm -f GLwCMDrA._man > >> cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 > >> -D__drivermansuffi > >> x__= > >> 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release > >> 6.5" "X Version > >> 11"' > >> -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' > >> >> '/^# > >> *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e > >> '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' > >> >GLwCMDrA._man > >> :38: unterminated string or character constant > >> :1: possible real start of unterminated constant > >> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -------------- > >> ----- > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -------------- > >> ----- > >> rm -f GLwDrawA._man > >> cpp -undef -D__filemansuffix__=5x -D__miscmansuffix__=7 > >> -D__drivermansuffi > >> x__= > >> 4 -D__projectroot__=/usr/X11R6 -D__xorgversion__='"Release > >> 6.5" "X Version > >> 11"' > >> -D__vendorversion__='"Version 4.0.99.3" "XFree86"' > >> >> '/^# > >> *[0-9][0-9]* *.*$/d' -e '/^XCOMM$/s//#/' -e > >> '/^XCOMM[^a-zA-Z0-9_]/s/^XCOMM/#/' > >> >GLwDrawA._man > >> :420: unterminated string or character constant > >> :1: possible real start of unterminated constant > >> rm -f GLwDrawA.3x.html GLwDrawA.3x-html > >> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -------------- > >> ----- > >> > >> > > -- > cgf@cygnus.com Red Hat, Inc. > http://sources.redhat.com/ http://www.redhat.com/ > From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 12:57:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:57:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <20010503140919.D24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> <20010503132509.B853@valinux.com> <20010503153550.D6388@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20010503205747.D1448@valinux.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:35:50PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 01:25:09PM +0100, Alan Hourihane wrote: > >On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:09:19PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > >> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 07:48:56AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > >> > > IMHO your behaviour is contra-productive, since AFAIK all > >> > > Cygwin DLLs will > >> > > have now a cyg prefix instead of lib. > >> > > >> > I am not going into any more discussion. If you read the mail list from > >> > last week. > >> > Chris Faylor mentioned "cyg prefix is considered depricated...." So ARE ALL > >> > THE DLLs > >> > are going to CYG PREFIX? I guess NOT. > >> > >> But that has nothing to do with the cyg prefix. The name of > >> the dll itself is in fact not worth to discuss. The problem > >> is in using _any_ other libz library besides the libz which > >> is provided by the Cygwin base distro. Moving it to latest > >> wouldn't be a problem but I don't think that matters. > >> > >People perceive the contrib section to be something that is not usually > >required. We either need to move it to latest, so it becomes a required > >component. Or, we document it in Cygwin/XFree86 with the following ..... > > Um, isn't XFree86 itself sort of a "contrib" section that is not usually > required? > Huh ? If people are on this list - I hope Cygwin/XFree86 is required :) > >"Cygwin/XFree86 uses it's own zlib library. If you wish to rebuild X with > >native zlib support from cygwin, you need to get the zlib package from > >the contrib section and install it. Secondly add the following to your > >host.def file. > > How about: > > "Cygwin/XFree86 uses zlib from the cygwin contrib section. Make sure that > you have downloaded the appropriate Cygwin libraries for correct operation." > > This seems a heck of a lot more friendly than asking people to rebuild. > Well, yes. In fact, having thought about this some more - that's probably the best way if Chuck is unwilling to move it. Seeing as we could possibly build with cygipc support and that means getting cygipc from elsewhere too. Alan. From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 13:07:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:07:00 -0000 Subject: Errors/warnings during documentation compilation References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D7@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503210709.E1448@valinux.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:52:54PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 06:31:03AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > >Harold, > > >This is sed issue under Cygwin. I do not know how to fix sed > > >therefore I have been ignoring them so far. The HTML pages from man > > >pages are created anyway. > > > > Sounds like a pretty old version of sed or ash. > > Not really, i get still same warnings from sed distributed > with Cygwin 1.1.3. As I said these are the warning, and HTML pages > are created anyway, therefore so far I have not paid much attention > to it. > It's not sed. It's the definition of -traditional when processing the pages to cpp. The following patch fixes it. This is a diff from the current CVS. Alan. Index: cygwin.cf =================================================================== RCS file: /X11R6/x-cvs/xc/config/cf/cygwin.cf,v retrieving revision 3.12 diff -u -r3.12 cygwin.cf --- cygwin.cf 2001/05/01 20:00:02 3.12 +++ cygwin.cf 2001/05/03 20:03:46 @@ -113,10 +115,11 @@ #define XawI18nDefines -DUSE_XWCHAR_STRING -DUSE_XMBTOWC #define HasWChar32 YES +#define StandardCppOptions -traditional #if UseCygIPC -# define StandardCppDefines -traditional -DHAS_SHM StandardDefines +# define StandardCppDefines -DHAS_SHM StandardDefines #else -# define StandardCppDefines -traditional StandardDefines +# define StandardCppDefines StandardDefines #endif #define ServerOSDefines XFree86ServerDefines -DDDXTIME -DFD_SETSIZE=256 -DDXOSINIT #define XkbServerDefines -DXKB_ALWAYS_USES_SOFT_REPEAT From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 13:08:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:08:00 -0000 Subject: Errors/warnings during documentation compilation Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36D8@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Cool, Thanks, Alan Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Hourihane [ mailto:alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk ] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:07 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: 'cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com' > Subject: Re: Errors/warnings during documentation compilation > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:52:54PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 06:31:03AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > >Harold, > > > >This is sed issue under Cygwin. I do not know how to fix sed > > > >therefore I have been ignoring them so far. The HTML > pages from man > > > >pages are created anyway. > > > > > > Sounds like a pretty old version of sed or ash. > > > > Not really, i get still same warnings from sed distributed > > with Cygwin 1.1.3. As I said these are the warning, and HTML pages > > are created anyway, therefore so far I have not paid much attention > > to it. > > > It's not sed. It's the definition of -traditional when processing the > pages to cpp. The following patch fixes it. > > This is a diff from the current CVS. > > Alan. > > Index: cygwin.cf > =================================================================== > RCS file: /X11R6/x-cvs/xc/config/cf/cygwin.cf,v > retrieving revision 3.12 > diff -u -r3.12 cygwin.cf > --- cygwin.cf 2001/05/01 20:00:02 3.12 > +++ cygwin.cf 2001/05/03 20:03:46 > @@ -113,10 +115,11 @@ > > #define XawI18nDefines -DUSE_XWCHAR_STRING -DUSE_XMBTOWC > #define HasWChar32 YES > +#define StandardCppOptions -traditional > #if UseCygIPC > -# define StandardCppDefines -traditional -DHAS_SHM > StandardDefines > +# define StandardCppDefines -DHAS_SHM StandardDefines > #else > -# define StandardCppDefines -traditional StandardDefines > +# define StandardCppDefines StandardDefines > #endif > #define ServerOSDefines XFree86ServerDefines > -DDDXTIME -DFD_SETSIZE=256 -DDXOSINIT > #define XkbServerDefines -DXKB_ALWAYS_USES_SOFT_REPEAT > From stefano@lingomotors.com Thu May 3 13:56:00 2001 From: stefano@lingomotors.com (Stefano Federici) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:56:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree86 download Message-ID: <33D84086C9635E469DF4BFCF830A729A0DA62F@kosh.lingomotors.com> Hi, I tried to download Xfree86 for cygwin from two US mirror sites (Virginia and California), but I didn't find any xfree86-4.0.3-fonts.tar.bz2 file in them (this is the only file that I didn't find but that is described as a 30MB file in the download instructions ( http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-downloading.html ). Thanks for your help Stefano Federici From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 13:59:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:59:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree86 download Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36DD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> It was recently split into several small files as xfreee86-xxxx-fonts for easier downloads. You can download all of then or you can get at least _misc_ fonts and others you need. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefano Federici [ mailto:stefano@lingomotors.com ] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:56 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@xfree.cygwin.com > Subject: Xfree86 download > > > Hi, > I tried to download Xfree86 for cygwin from two US mirror sites > (Virginia and California), but I didn't find any > xfree86-4.0.3-fonts.tar.bz2 > file in them (this is the only file that I didn't find but that is > described as a 30MB file in the download instructions > ( http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-downloading.html ). > Thanks for your help > Stefano Federici > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 3 14:13:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:13:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: Message-ID: <000101c0d415$89464760$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Jorg, you _do realise_ that libz is part of xfree86 nowadays - the one in the main cygwin distro.... is a fork. Suhaibis correct. What may/should happen in the future is that the xfree86 one is built as cyglibz.dll and replaces the current one in cygwin contrib. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schaible, J????rg" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 9:45 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Hi there, >> > Alan: >> > I would luike that cygz.dll patch reversed you applied to CVS. >> > I would prefer to stick with our own libz.dll, instead of >> > a forked dll. >> > >> I find that surprisingly odd that the cygwin folk have dumped this in >> contrib. >> >> I'll reverse it of course. > >It is not really main cygwin developer who forked it from master libz. >Therefore it is in contrib directory, THEREFORE I am opposed to linked >any thing which is forked from master and dumped into contrib >directory. > >Thanks for reversing it. IMHO your behaviour is contra-productive, since AFAIK all Cygwin DLLs will have now a cyg prefix instead of lib. The binutils maintainer has applied this path officially to the package, so the cygz.dll *is* the official Cygwin version and there is no other around. This was done due to incompatibilities with MS-DOS versions of this DLL named also libz.dll in various non-Cygwin ports (and therefore is not a forked version). *If* the server is a Cygwin app it *should* use cygz.dll. You may have a look at the real long discussion on this topic searching the Cygwin mailing list. Don't ge me wrong, I don't wanna start any flame war. I just wanna prevent that the Cygwin xfree package will start to become incompatible to the standard Cygwin package - at least as far as I understand the topic. Greetings, J????rg From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 3 14:14:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:14:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <20010503140919.D24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> Message-ID: <000501c0d415$8ce455b0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> In fact I think chris mean that calling things cyg-foo was deprecated. naming libraries cyglibfoo is appropriate. Jorg is right in that part. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corinna Vinschen" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 07:48:56AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > > > > > IMHO your behaviour is contra-productive, since AFAIK all > > > Cygwin DLLs will > > > have now a cyg prefix instead of lib. > > > > I am not going into any more discussion. If you read the mail list from > > last week. > > Chris Faylor mentioned "cyg prefix is considered depricated...." So ARE ALL > > THE DLLs > > are going to CYG PREFIX? I guess NOT. > > But that has nothing to do with the cyg prefix. The name of > the dll itself is in fact not worth to discuss. The problem > is in using _any_ other libz library besides the libz which > is provided by the Cygwin base distro. Moving it to latest > wouldn't be a problem but I don't think that matters. > > What really matters are the problems which are raised by > providing another version of libz.a or libz.dll.a (note > the suffix) which load another {lib|cyg|red|foo}z.dll. > > Corinna > > -- > Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to > Cygwin Developer mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com > Red Hat, Inc. > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 3 14:35:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:35:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C362E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <010c01c0c8c6$92530cd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503185148.B1448@valinux.com> Message-ID: <012801c0d418$9ca86880$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Thanks Alan Can you list the 5 lines before and after twm.c:291. Also can you do update to CVS cygwin and the latest gdb that chris has built - he's fixed some headaches with gdb so that we can get better info in backtraces. I'm interest in what frames 2,1, and 0 are(cygwin+gdb update), and if there are multiple threads at this point in time (info threads). Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Hourihane" To: "Robert Collins" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread > On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:47:53PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > Do you know what function call from twm causes the crash? > > > I've looked into this and it looks like a stack problem in cygwin. > > This is the backtrace from gdb. But ignore the line number from twm.c. It's > complaining about a QueryExtension for the SHAPE routines, but if you skip > this it fails at the next Query. > > #0 0xd19025ff in ?? () > #1 0x67004cbf in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > #2 0x67004fa6 in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > #3 0x0040a319 in main (argc=1, argv=0xa010f48) at twm.c:291 > #4 0x61003c02 in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > #5 0x61003ddd in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > #6 0x61003e1c in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > #7 0x004531a3 in cygwin_crt0 () > > Hope this helps Rob. > > Alan. > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 3 14:43:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:43:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <20010503140919.D24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> <20010503132509.B853@valinux.com> <20010503153550.D6388@redhat.com> <20010503205747.D1448@valinux.com> Message-ID: <01ae01c0d419$a8448e70$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Just a lemma: end users are advised to use setup.exe to install cygwin. They do __not__ see contrib vs latest. Rob From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 14:45:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:45:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36DE@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> I think it is ok to cygz.dll. This argument will not bring much, but I do say it was a bad idea to fork libz.dll from X source last year and stick into contrib. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:40 PM > To: Alan Hourihane; cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > Just a lemma: end users are advised to use setup.exe to > install cygwin. > > They do __not__ see contrib vs latest. > > Rob > From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 14:56:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:56:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <20010503140919.D24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> <20010503132509.B853@valinux.com> <20010503153550.D6388@redhat.com> <20010503205747.D1448@valinux.com> <01ae01c0d419$a8448e70$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010503175518.B7456@redhat.com> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:40:21AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >Just a lemma: end users are advised to use setup.exe to install cygwin. > >They do __not__ see contrib vs latest. Right. Good point! This whole contrib argument is really a non-issue in this light. I also don't understand this talk about "forking". Chuck has made a libz available from the original sources at info-zip.org. This is by no means an XFree86 package. It was developed by the author of gzip. It lives here: http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/zlib/ Chuck provided a generic port of the package for use with Cygwin. IMO, this is what this project should be using. Certainly no one is seriously suggesting that since you were very arguably "first" to provide the DLL then people who want to use the library should download the cygwin-xfree distribution. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 14:57:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:57:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36DE@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503175630.C7456@redhat.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:45:08PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >I think it is ok to cygz.dll. This argument will not bring much, >but I do say it was a bad idea to fork libz.dll from X source last year >and stick into contrib. I don't know why you are thinking that this came from X. You could also claim that it came from Java or the Cygwin setup program. Both of those use zlib. Neither of those is the owner or originator of the code. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 14:59:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:59:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C362E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <010c01c0c8c6$92530cd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503185148.B1448@valinux.com> <012801c0d418$9ca86880$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010503175746.D7456@redhat.com> I don't see anything in here that points to Cygwin. >> #0 0xd19025ff in ?? () >> #1 0x67004cbf in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () >> #2 0x67004fa6 in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () >> #3 0x0040a319 in main (argc=1, argv=0xa010f48) at twm.c:291 None of those addresses are cygwin related. cgf On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:32:52AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >Can you list the 5 lines before and after twm.c:291. >Also can you do update to CVS cygwin and the latest gdb that chris has >built - he's fixed some headaches with gdb so that we can get better >info in backtraces. > >I'm interest in what frames 2,1, and 0 are(cygwin+gdb update), and if >there are multiple threads at this point in time (info threads). > >Rob > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan Hourihane" >To: "Robert Collins" >Cc: >Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:51 AM >Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread > > >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:47:53PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> > Do you know what function call from twm causes the crash? >> > >> I've looked into this and it looks like a stack problem in cygwin. >> >> This is the backtrace from gdb. But ignore the line number from twm.c. >It's >> complaining about a QueryExtension for the SHAPE routines, but if you >skip >> this it fails at the next Query. >> >> #0 0xd19025ff in ?? () >> #1 0x67004cbf in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () >> #2 0x67004fa6 in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () >> #3 0x0040a319 in main (argc=1, argv=0xa010f48) at twm.c:291 >> #4 0x61003c02 in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () >> #5 0x61003ddd in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () >> #6 0x61003e1c in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () >> #7 0x004531a3 in cygwin_crt0 () >> >> Hope this helps Rob. >> >> Alan. >> -- cgf@cygnus.com Red Hat, Inc. http://sources.redhat.com/ http://www.redhat.com/ From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 3 15:01:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:01:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C362E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <010c01c0c8c6$92530cd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503185148.B1448@valinux.com> <012801c0d418$9ca86880$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503175746.D7456@redhat.com> Message-ID: <028801c0d41c$34e96e20$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> I thought your updated cygwin as able to resolve those address's better? 0x67000000 is in userland isn't it? Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Faylor" To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread > I don't see anything in here that points to Cygwin. > > >> #0 0xd19025ff in ?? () > >> #1 0x67004cbf in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > >> #2 0x67004fa6 in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > >> #3 0x0040a319 in main (argc=1, argv=0xa010f48) at twm.c:291 > > None of those addresses are cygwin related. > > cgf > > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:32:52AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >Can you list the 5 lines before and after twm.c:291. > >Also can you do update to CVS cygwin and the latest gdb that chris has > >built - he's fixed some headaches with gdb so that we can get better > >info in backtraces. > > > >I'm interest in what frames 2,1, and 0 are(cygwin+gdb update), and if > >there are multiple threads at this point in time (info threads). > > > >Rob > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alan Hourihane" > >To: "Robert Collins" > >Cc: > >Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:51 AM > >Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread > > > > > >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:47:53PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >> > Do you know what function call from twm causes the crash? > >> > > >> I've looked into this and it looks like a stack problem in cygwin. > >> > >> This is the backtrace from gdb. But ignore the line number from twm.c. > >It's > >> complaining about a QueryExtension for the SHAPE routines, but if you > >skip > >> this it fails at the next Query. > >> > >> #0 0xd19025ff in ?? () > >> #1 0x67004cbf in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > >> #2 0x67004fa6 in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > >> #3 0x0040a319 in main (argc=1, argv=0xa010f48) at twm.c:291 > >> #4 0x61003c02 in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > >> #5 0x61003ddd in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > >> #6 0x61003e1c in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () > >> #7 0x004531a3 in cygwin_crt0 () > >> > >> Hope this helps Rob. > >> > >> Alan. > >> > > -- > cgf@cygnus.com Red Hat, Inc. > http://sources.redhat.com/ http://www.redhat.com/ > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 15:02:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:02:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36E1@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> I think this argument will not lead any where... but let me dig a really old old back up CD which has a README file and if i am not mistaken it mentioned, zlib was same as in xfree ports. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:57 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:45:08PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > >I think it is ok to cygz.dll. This argument will not bring much, > >but I do say it was a bad idea to fork libz.dll from X > source last year > >and stick into contrib. > > I don't know why you are thinking that this came from X. You > could also > claim that it came from Java or the Cygwin setup program. > Both of those > use zlib. Neither of those is the owner or originator of the code. > > cgf > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 3 15:33:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:33:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: I recalled a comment somewhere. Oh well. Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:57 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:45:08PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > >I think it is ok to cygz.dll. This argument will not bring much, > >but I do say it was a bad idea to fork libz.dll from X > source last year > >and stick into contrib. > > I don't know why you are thinking that this came from X. You > could also > claim that it came from Java or the Cygwin setup program. > Both of those > use zlib. Neither of those is the owner or originator of the code. > > cgf > From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 16:26:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:26:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C362E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <010c01c0c8c6$92530cd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503185148.B1448@valinux.com> <012801c0d418$9ca86880$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503175746.D7456@redhat.com> <028801c0d41c$34e96e20$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010503192514.A8401@redhat.com> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:58:36AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >I thought your updated cygwin as able to resolve those address's better? >0x67000000 is in userland isn't it? It's probably in a dll. There isn't any symbol information in the DLL, apparently, though, or gdb would resolve it. The changes that I made to cygwin just deal with 1) making stack dumps slightly more accurate and 2) having gdb stop at the correct place when it is popped up with: set cygwin=error_start:gdb cgf >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Christopher Faylor" >To: >Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:57 AM >Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread > > >>I don't see anything in here that points to Cygwin. >> >>>> #0 0xd19025ff in ?? () >>>> #1 0x67004cbf in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () >>>> #2 0x67004fa6 in _size_of_stack_reserve__ () >>>> #3 0x0040a319 in main (argc=1, argv=0xa010f48) at twm.c:291 >> >>None of those addresses are cygwin related. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 16:28:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:28:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36E4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> This thread is dead. However, let me explain last time. Xfree86 owns nothing but hw/xfree86. Rest of the libraries come from other sources. Once we know there is a project and someone comes an puls zlib from gzip and stick somewhere, other guy coms in and take xpm and stick else where... third one comes and downlaod freetype and stick elsewhere... fourth one comes and downlaod another fonts library and stick into somwhere... all knows that there is aproject which depends upon Cygwin and use these libraries... is not that forking or a fun to compile dlls for fun? Ultimately creating a headache for others... Anyway, if libfreetype and a fwe others starts appearing in contrib directory i will just take off instead of dealing with forking of dlls Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Robert Collins To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Sent: 5/3/2001 6:25 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 I recalled a comment somewhere. Oh well. Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:57 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:45:08PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > >I think it is ok to cygz.dll. This argument will not bring much, > >but I do say it was a bad idea to fork libz.dll from X > source last year > >and stick into contrib. > > I don't know why you are thinking that this came from X. You > could also > claim that it came from Java or the Cygwin setup program. > Both of those > use zlib. Neither of those is the owner or originator of the code. > > cgf > From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 16:54:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:54:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C362E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <010c01c0c8c6$92530cd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503185148.B1448@valinux.com> <012801c0d418$9ca86880$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010504005450.H1448@valinux.com> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:32:52AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > Thanks Alan > > Can you list the 5 lines before and after twm.c:291. > Also can you do update to CVS cygwin and the latest gdb that chris has > built - he's fixed some headaches with gdb so that we can get better > info in backtraces. > I'll have to get the latest cygwin tommorrow. But attached at the end is the code snapshot from twm.c - I've highlighted line 291. > I'm interest in what frames 2,1, and 0 are(cygwin+gdb update), and if > there are multiple threads at this point in time (info threads). > This is the information from 'info threads' 3 thread 130.0x10d 0x77f68007 in ?? () 2 thread 130.0x125 0x77f682cb in ?? () * 1 thread 130.0x10a 0xd19025ff in ?? () Alan. ---- XtToolkitInitialize (); appContext = XtCreateApplicationContext (); if (!(dpy = XtOpenDisplay (appContext, display_name, "twm", "twm", NULL, 0, &zero, NULL))) { fprintf (stderr, "%s: unable to open display \"%s\"\n", ProgramName, XDisplayName(display_name)); exit (1); } if (fcntl(ConnectionNumber(dpy), F_SETFD, 1) == -1) { fprintf (stderr, "%s: unable to mark display connection as close-on-exec\n", ProgramName); exit (1); } if (restore_filename) ReadWinConfigFile (restore_filename); >>line 291 >> HasShape = XShapeQueryExtension (dpy, &ShapeEventBase, &ShapeErrorBase); HasSync = XSyncQueryExtension(dpy, &SyncEventBase, &SyncErrorBase); TwmContext = XUniqueContext(); MenuContext = XUniqueContext(); IconManagerContext = XUniqueContext(); ScreenContext = XUniqueContext(); ColormapContext = XUniqueContext(); From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 17:12:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:12:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <20010503140919.D24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> <20010503132509.B853@valinux.com> <20010503153550.D6388@redhat.com> <20010503205747.D1448@valinux.com> <01ae01c0d419$a8448e70$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503175518.B7456@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20010504011236.I1448@valinux.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:55:19PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:40:21AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >Just a lemma: end users are advised to use setup.exe to install cygwin. > > > >They do __not__ see contrib vs latest. > > Right. Good point! This whole contrib argument is really a non-issue > in this light. > What's the point in having contrib then if it doesn't mean anything ? Not everyone will use setup.exe. > I also don't understand this talk about "forking". Chuck has made a > libz available from the original sources at info-zip.org. This is by > no means an XFree86 package. It was developed by the author of gzip. > It lives here: > I don't understand the forking issue either. > http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/zlib/ > > Chuck provided a generic port of the package for use with Cygwin. IMO, > this is what this project should be using. > I agree here. Any application should use operating system provided libraries rather than building it's own. That was the original reason for the patch to use cygwin's provided one. I only reversed it as the zlib for cygwin was in contrib. In light of cygipc too, which is really in contrib land, I suggest we put it back. Especially being that the next XFree86 release is due very soon and many more users will probably download the new Cygwin/XFree86. We have a chance to correct the zlib situation. It's a one off thing. Let's get it right now and suffer a few emails (and put it in the FAQ), that people need to get the zlib from contrib to use Cygwin/XFree86. We probably stand to get more questions on which cygz.dll or libz.dll they should be using otherwise. Are we expecting to build the next full release with cygipc ? If so, then that should be made aware in the FAQ too. A From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 17:26:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:26:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C362E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <010c01c0c8c6$92530cd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503185148.B1448@valinux.com> <012801c0d418$9ca86880$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503175746.D7456@redhat.com> <028801c0d41c$34e96e20$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010504012708.J1448@valinux.com> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:58:36AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > I thought your updated cygwin as able to resolve those address's better? > 0x67000000 is in userland isn't it? 0x67000000 is libXext.dll which is where the XShapeQueryExtension call is. This is the function too. Bool XShapeQueryExtension (dpy, event_basep, error_basep) Display *dpy; int *event_basep, *error_basep; { XExtDisplayInfo *info = find_display (dpy); if (info && info->codes) { *event_basep = info->codes->first_event; *error_basep = info->codes->first_error; return True; } else { return False; } } Alan. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 17:26:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:26:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36E5@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Alan You can put cygz fix in CVS. It is Ok. We will use zlib from cygwin. I raised a questiona while ago about xpm that not not many applications use xpm without a X, example was given XEmacs does. I would say stick it with your XEmacs port then to stick into cygwin with headers, while we know Xpm was in XFree86... this is what I called forking and creating headache for developers on this list, because then we dual heaers adn libraries on the system and will be have questions about. I see libfreetype and fonts libraries hanging around and I suspect they will popup in contrib directory, perhaps some day, just like a year ago libz did followed by xpm. There should be coordination and developers who are actively particapting in cygwin development did mention the source or at least said they are same as in Cygwin/XFree86... I classify it as forking of dll and creating a support issues over here. Cygipc is OK to use, but again properly it should names libipc.a, For many applications when you run ./configure they look for libipc.a. However, this is a minor issue for our project. We will mention in FAQ cygz.dll and Cygwip... my warning was about other libraries which are already being used by Cygwin/XFree86, like libfreetype, fonts, and xpm, start showing up in contrib I will rather take off then to deal with issue. If users need those libraries individually then we can package them as separate libraries... Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Alan Hourihane To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Sent: 5/3/2001 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:55:19PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:40:21AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >Just a lemma: end users are advised to use setup.exe to install cygwin. > > > >They do __not__ see contrib vs latest. > > Right. Good point! This whole contrib argument is really a non-issue > in this light. > What's the point in having contrib then if it doesn't mean anything ? Not everyone will use setup.exe. > I also don't understand this talk about "forking". Chuck has made a > libz available from the original sources at info-zip.org. This is by > no means an XFree86 package. It was developed by the author of gzip. > It lives here: > I don't understand the forking issue either. > http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/zlib/ > > Chuck provided a generic port of the package for use with Cygwin. IMO, > this is what this project should be using. > I agree here. Any application should use operating system provided libraries rather than building it's own. That was the original reason for the patch to use cygwin's provided one. I only reversed it as the zlib for cygwin was in contrib. In light of cygipc too, which is really in contrib land, I suggest we put it back. Especially being that the next XFree86 release is due very soon and many more users will probably download the new Cygwin/XFree86. We have a chance to correct the zlib situation. It's a one off thing. Let's get it right now and suffer a few emails (and put it in the FAQ), that people need to get the zlib from contrib to use Cygwin/XFree86. We probably stand to get more questions on which cygz.dll or libz.dll they should be using otherwise. Are we expecting to build the next full release with cygipc ? If so, then that should be made aware in the FAQ too. A From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 3 17:55:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:55:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C362E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <010c01c0c8c6$92530cd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503185148.B1448@valinux.com> <012801c0d418$9ca86880$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503175746.D7456@redhat.com> <028801c0d41c$34e96e20$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010504012708.J1448@valinux.com> Message-ID: <20010504015523.K1448@valinux.com> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 01:27:08AM +0100, Alan Hourihane wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:58:36AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > I thought your updated cygwin as able to resolve those address's better? > > 0x67000000 is in userland isn't it? > > 0x67000000 is libXext.dll which is where the XShapeQueryExtension call is. > Rob, Don't worry about this for now. I'm debugging the problem.... I'll keep you posted. Alan. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 3 17:56:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:56:00 -0000 Subject: FAQ Update suggestion (was: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36E6@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Rob, For FAQ update. Please make a note 1) Users will need CygIP for compilation and provide a link to CygwUtils side 2) users will need to install cygz.dll 3) If compiling X application and linking to XPM, make sure you get ride of /usr/include/X11 headers and cygXpm-X4 blah blah, which is just a duplicate of stuff from Cygwin/XFree86.. 4) make srue you do not insatll libfreetype and other libraries and headers already present in xc sources tree from CygUtils site. Thanks Suhaib From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 19:07:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:07:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <20010503140919.D24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> <20010503132509.B853@valinux.com> <20010503153550.D6388@redhat.com> <20010503205747.D1448@valinux.com> <01ae01c0d419$a8448e70$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503175518.B7456@redhat.com> <20010504011236.I1448@valinux.com> Message-ID: <20010503220542.A10831@redhat.com> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 01:12:36AM +0100, Alan Hourihane wrote: >On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:55:19PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:40:21AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> >Just a lemma: end users are advised to use setup.exe to install cygwin. >> > >> >They do __not__ see contrib vs latest. >> >> Right. Good point! This whole contrib argument is really a non-issue >> in this light. > >What's the point in having contrib then if it doesn't mean anything ? You can search the archives for the last time this was discussed. >Not everyone will use setup.exe. Then they get to make the tough decisions. If they are not using setup.exe and get an error that says "cygz.dll" is not installed then hopefully they will be experienced enough to know what to do. >> I also don't understand this talk about "forking". Chuck has made a >> libz available from the original sources at info-zip.org. This is by >> no means an XFree86 package. It was developed by the author of gzip. >> It lives here: >> >I don't understand the forking issue either. > >> http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/zlib/ >> >> Chuck provided a generic port of the package for use with Cygwin. IMO, >> this is what this project should be using. >> >I agree here. Any application should use operating system provided libraries >rather than building it's own. That was the original reason for the patch >to use cygwin's provided one. I only reversed it as the zlib for cygwin >was in contrib. > >In light of cygipc too, which is really in contrib land, I suggest we >put it back. Especially being that the next XFree86 release is due very soon and >many more users will probably download the new Cygwin/XFree86. We have >a chance to correct the zlib situation. cygipc is not part of the standard distribution. It is maintained on an external site and it will stay that way. I'd love for someone to produce a port that we could include with the distribution but I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon. >It's a one off thing. Let's get it right now and suffer a few emails (and >put it in the FAQ), that people need to get the zlib from contrib to use >Cygwin/XFree86. We probably stand to get more questions on which cygz.dll or >libz.dll they should be using otherwise. > >Are we expecting to build the next full release with cygipc ? If so, then >that should be made aware in the FAQ too. I I really don't think that imposing external dependencies on Cygwin/XFree86 is the way to go. I am sure that Suhaib will agree. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 19:13:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:13:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36E4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503221149.B10831@redhat.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 07:28:11PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >This thread is dead. However, let me explain last time. Xfree86 owns >nothing but hw/xfree86. Rest of the libraries come from other sources. >Once we know there is a project and someone comes an puls zlib from >gzip and stick somewhere, other guy coms in and take xpm and stick else >where... Again, zlib came from Chuck Wilson. He was maintaining it on his cygutils site and eventually migrated it to the cygwin distribution as the new setup method matured. This happened on 2001-07-29. I don't know if the sharable library was built then or not. I could probably find out but, you're right that this thread should die. Howeve,r I can see why the xpm and other libraries would cause you problems. But, I note that there are xpm libraries in both /usr/lib and /usr/X11R6/lib on linux, too. Of course, Linus doesn't have to deal with Stupid User Complaints (tm) and you do. >third one comes and downlaod freetype and stick elsewhere... fourth >one comes and downlaod another fonts library and stick into somwhere... >all knows that there is aproject which depends upon Cygwin and use >these libraries... is not that forking or a fun to compile dlls for >fun? Ultimately creating a headache for others... > >Anyway, if libfreetype and a fwe others starts appearing in contrib >directory i will just take off instead of dealing with forking of dlls I can't imagine any reason for putting a font package in the general cygwin distribution. But, I'll tell you what, I'll let you have veto power over that one if it comes up. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 19:17:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:17:00 -0000 Subject: FAQ Update suggestion (was: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36E6@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010503221600.C10831@redhat.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 08:56:14PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >1) Users will need CygIP for compilation and provide a link to >CygwUtils side You're really going to add an external dependency to an unsupported package to your build? I'm surprised. It seems like you've just increased your support load. cgf From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 3 19:51:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:51:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Hourihane [ mailto:alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk ] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:13 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:55:19PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: > > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:40:21AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > >Just a lemma: end users are advised to use setup.exe to > install cygwin. > > > > > >They do __not__ see contrib vs latest. > > > > Right. Good point! This whole contrib argument is really > a non-issue > > in this light. > > > What's the point in having contrib then if it doesn't mean anything ? It used to. It still can via flags in the setup.hint file.. but I don't believe there is a visual warning to anything. > Not everyone will use setup.exe. They have no other option. untarring doesn't create the registry entries and run the install scripts. winzip doesn't create symlinks. > > In light of cygipc too, which is really in contrib land, I suggest we > put it back. Especially being that the next XFree86 release > is due very soon and > many more users will probably download the new Cygwin/XFree86. We have > a chance to correct the zlib situation. > > It's a one off thing. Let's get it right now and suffer a few > emails (and > put it in the FAQ), that people need to get the zlib from > contrib to use > Cygwin/XFree86. We probably stand to get more questions on > which cygz.dll or > libz.dll they should be using otherwise. > > Are we expecting to build the next full release with cygipc ? > If so, then > that should be made aware in the FAQ too. I wouldn't! IMO it would be better to hold off until ipc is part of cygwin core. (I.e. threads could have been done way back via the win32-pthread project but fork() would have been an issue. (And may be with cygipc for all I know). Rob > > A > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 3 19:53:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:53:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Hourihane [ mailto:alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk ] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:27 AM > To: Robert Collins > Cc: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread > > > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:58:36AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > I thought your updated cygwin as able to resolve those > address's better? > > 0x67000000 is in userland isn't it? > > 0x67000000 is libXext.dll which is where the > XShapeQueryExtension call is. If that dll is build with -g, we should the function names? So... what _I'd_ do is step through from the call in main.c noting what parameters are passed at each point (Thats one of the key things missing from your backtrace). We're looking for what is probably a null parameter, or possibly a static variable overwrite/some none-reentrant function use in cygwin... Rob > This is the function too. > > Bool XShapeQueryExtension (dpy, event_basep, error_basep) > Display *dpy; > int *event_basep, *error_basep; > { > XExtDisplayInfo *info = find_display (dpy); > > if (info && info->codes) { > *event_basep = info->codes->first_event; > *error_basep = info->codes->first_error; > return True; > } else { > return False; > } > } > > Alan. > From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 3 19:58:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:58:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: Message-ID: <20010503225656.B11949@redhat.com> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 12:45:13PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alan Hourihane [ mailto:alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk ] >> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:27 AM >> To: Robert Collins >> Cc: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com >> Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread >> >> >> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:58:36AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> > I thought your updated cygwin as able to resolve those >> address's better? >> > 0x67000000 is in userland isn't it? >> >> 0x67000000 is libXext.dll which is where the >> XShapeQueryExtension call is. > >If that dll is build with -g, we should the function names? Yes. That's right. They should be automatically loaded by gdb, too. The DLLs that gdb knows about should show up via the 'info shared' command. cgf From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 3 20:03:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:03:00 -0000 Subject: FAQ Update suggestion (was: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:56 AM > To: Robert Collins; 'cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com ' > Subject: FAQ Update suggestion (was: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > > > Rob, > > For FAQ update. > Please make a note > > 1) Users will need CygIP for compilation and provide a link to > CygwUtils side Can I ask that we _do not_ distribute binaries with IPC support enabled. Three reasons: 1) It's not part of cygwin core. It _may_ have problems with fork(), and it will not interoperate with the coming in-cygwin implementation. 2) It's not part of cygwin core.... thus we will have more user questions because they cannot get it via setup. 3) I can't think of a third reason :] > 2) users will need to install cygz.dll They are advised to install all of cygwin now. The specific package list is in Harold's User guide, and the latest sgml sources aren't uploaded AFAIK. > 3) If compiling X application and linking to XPM, make sure > you get ride of > /usr/include/X11 headers and cygXpm-X4 blah blah, which is > just a duplicate > of stuff from Cygwin/XFree86.. Is this the text you want? If not I'm not quite sure what I should be saying .. > 4) make srue you do not insatll libfreetype and other > libraries and headers > already present in xc sources tree from CygUtils site. Do we have a list of possible problems... users will not know what is in the xc sources tree. Rob > Thanks > Suhaib > From cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Thu May 3 21:52:00 2001 From: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 21:52:00 -0000 Subject: XWin.exe.stackdump error References: <000901c0d4b8$83752f60$87cd09c0@ravipc> Message-ID: <20010504005039.A14114@redhat.com> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 10:07:30PM +0530, Ravi wrote: >I have instaled Cygwin on Windows 2000. > >When i execute the following this is the error. I am also attaching the XWin.exe. > >administrator@RAVI-PC / >$ /usr/X11R6/bin/XWin.exe -screen 0 800x600x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 >_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root >winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 >winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed >winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD >winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed >winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f >winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking >winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 800 height 600 >winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00000000 00000000 00000000 RGB 0 d 8 >winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Calling miSetVisualTypesAndMasks >winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning > 0 [main] XWin 1632 handle_exceptions: Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ >ZERO > 1440 [main] XWin 1632 stackdump: Dumping stack trace to XWin.exe.stackdump >Arithmetic exception (core dumped) > > > >Please let me know the solution... One step towards finding the solution will be to use the correct mailing list. cgf From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Fri May 4 01:03:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 01:03:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36CF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <20010503140919.D24200@cygbert.vinschen.de> <20010503132509.B853@valinux.com> <20010503153550.D6388@redhat.com> <20010503205747.D1448@valinux.com> <01ae01c0d419$a8448e70$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010503175518.B7456@redhat.com> <20010504011236.I1448@valinux.com> <20010503220542.A10831@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20010504090319.M1448@valinux.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 10:05:42PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: > >Are we expecting to build the next full release with cygipc ? If so, then > >that should be made aware in the FAQ too. > > I I really don't think that imposing external dependencies on > Cygwin/XFree86 is the way to go. I am sure that Suhaib will agree. > That's why I asked the question. I wasn't imposing it. Suhaib is the project admin - his call. Alan. From cwilson@ece.gatech.edu Fri May 4 01:03:00 2001 From: cwilson@ece.gatech.edu (Charles S. Wilson) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 01:03:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <3AF26292.9C34120F@ece.gatech.edu> Executive Summary: Each point is discussed more thoroughly below. I am replying with this HUGE message because (a) I'm not on the cygwin-xfree mailing list, so individual replies are tricky and don't show up right in the archives, and (b) there was a lot of repitition in the discussion, I'll just reply in one spot, thank you... Each of the following six points is addressed in greater detail below. Search for "-----SECTION". 1) I have no objections to moving the official libz package from contrib to latest, and will do so at the earliest opportunity. 2) I'd prefer to relinquish Xpm support to the cygwin-xfree project, but the noX version of Xpm still needs a home, and **needs cooperation** from cygwin-xfree since both X-based and noX-based libs share xpm.h. noX-Xpm is *required* for the cygwin, native-windowing version of XEmacs. 3) The cyg.dll naming convention was adopted after MUCH discussion last summer, and a hell of a lot of coding in binutils/gcc. Packaging a binary compiled so that it creates a dll with that name is not a fork. (And, in most cases, I submit my changes back to the original maintainers of the packages; sometimes they're adopted, sometimes not). In any case, the cygwin-xfree developers chose to ignore that discussion, so cygwin-xfree dll's do not follow the convention. 4) Suhaib's proprietary attitude toward zlib and xpm is misplaced. The Xfree folks copied the zlib code into their codebase a long time ago, true -- but that doesn't make XFree's version official (Xfree/xc/zlib/README still says 1.0.8 BTW, not 1.1.3). xpm was an independent entity for YEARS (xpm-3.4k, anyone?) before finally being adopted into the xfree codebase at 4.0.0. However, in that case, xfree's version was officially recognized as the official xpm. But zlib is a system library (you don't see libz.so inside xfree86-4.0.3-X-i386.rpm, do you?) 5) I hereby pledge not to provide a freetype library. (Thank God. I was dreading it. I also didn't realize that it is now a part of XFree. It wasn't in x11r6.4) Suhaib was right -- I *was* planning to migrate my port. But now I won't. And that makes me happy. :-) 6) cygIPC. I recommend against building cygwin/XFree86 with this dependency. There is already work underway to add IPC functionality to the cygwin1.dll, although full IPC support will require a "cygwin daemon". Once this capability is added to the official cygwin dist, then it will be actively supported by the cgywin developers. However, CygIPC (by which I mean the specific package at http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/users/cwilson/cygutils/V1.1/cygipc/ ) will NEVER be added to the official dist, for licensing reasons. Therefore, CygIPC is not supported by the list, but by one person. Me. And I've got really limited cycles; I'm afraid that hundreds of new cygwin-xfree users will overwhelm my ability to support. The end result: people upset with me, people upset with cygwin-xfree, and really really confused newbies. But it's your decision. -------------------------------------- -----SECTION 1 -------------------------------------- zlib moving to latest. What does "contrib" vs. "latest" mean? A bit of history. my dll-ized version of zlib first appeared in cygwin/latest on Sat, 13 May 2000. It is true that cygwin-xfree contained a zlib library at that time. However, zlib is required for many other packages and it was IMO silly to force people who wanted libpng (which depends on libz) to download a 21Meg package (xfree86-bin.tar.bz2 was 21Meg, at the time) in order to get a 50k dll that is, in fact, a separate project. libz has its own webpage, and its own (okay, halted) development. But the source code inside xfree/zlib/ is NOT the official repository of zlib. http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/zlib/ is. At best, we have two separate forks of zlib. Not "Xfree's official non-forked zlib" and that scuzball cwilson's evil fork. XFree forked the zlib code at 1.0.8 and included the code within its own codebase. I took 1.1.3 and applied the patches necessary to get it to build as a dll on cygwin, and follow the cygwin conventions. xfree *may* have been tracking the official zlib code changes from 1.0.8--1.1.3, but I'm not sure. I do know that cygwin-xfree's version of libz.dll does not follow the cygwin naming conventions. So which one is the fork? Which one *should* be official? (answer left as an exercise for the student). The main difference between the two libz dll's is the __declspec() decorations in zlib-1.1.3-6's cygz.dll, and no declspec decorations in cygwin-xfree's libz.dll. Also, the name cygz.dll vs. libz.dll. Not counting the actual dll's, zlib-1.1.3-6 provides /usr/lib/libz.dll.a (import lib) AND /usr/lib/libz.a (static lib). xfree provides only /usr/X11R6/lib/libz.a (import lib). NO possibility of static linking with the xfree version of libz. I'll point out, also, that the official cygwin/windows dll naming scheme requires cygz.dll and libz.dll.a names for dll and import lib. Anyway, I contributed zlib as a dll and static lib to cygwin in May of 2000. It was always my hope that the cygwin-xfree folks would start using it instead of rolling their own, but that never happened (until now, maybe). I'm not sure why, but whatever the reason, it's not important. I provided the zlib package as a service to cygwin users -- including xfree-folks -- and did NOT intend it as an insult or slight to the cygwin-xfree people. I also don't consider it a fork. I submitted my changes, which enable zlib to build as a dll on cygwin following the appropriate conventions, back to Greg Roelofs. He has placed them at http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/zlib/contrib/ However, he is reluctant to release a 1.1.4 with any additional patches without the OK from Jean-loup Gailly -- and HE doesn't really want to release ANY updates that aren't strictly bugfix. Thus, any new platform support (e.g. a dll-ized cygwin zlib) can only be as official as the infozip/zlib/contrib directory on the info-zip.org website. Until Jean-loup and Mark Adler decide to fix any bugs. :-( Mea culpa: I haven't submitted my changes to Greg since cygwin-zlib-1.1.3-2. We're now at 1.1.3-6. The library name change happened eight months ago at 1.1.3-5, in order to follow the official dll naming convention for cygwin. I'm terribly sorry about the oversight. I'll correct that immediately and submit my latest patch to Greg. Anyway, back to cygwin-zlib. In June 2000, at zlib-1.1.3-3, zlib was moved to the newly created cygwin/contrib directory. (Remember, zlib-1.1.3-1,2 both lived in cygwin/latest). This was because, at the time, the "official" packages (e.g. from DJ, Chris, and Corinna) would be in "latest" and EVERYTHING else would go in "contrib". We even talked about porter-specific contrib dirs, but decided against it. Note that the distinction between latest and contrib was based on SOURCE (who submitted it), not on a distinction between "required" and "optional" -- although, in the end, that's the way it has worked out. Right now, though, setup.exe -- the REQUIRED method of installing cygwin -- makes no distinction at ALL between "latest" and "contrib". zlib could be in /cygwin/dont-install-me/zlib/ and setup.exe would still happily display it as an option. So, currently, the "contrib" directory is meaningless except at the meta-level as a contributer-ID classification. My understanding of the "protocol" was that once an "official" package -- e.g. one in /latest/ -- developed a dependency on a "contrib" package, then either (a) remove the dependency, or (b) move the package into latest. This happened recently with ncurses -- the inetutils (talk) package acquired a dependency, so we moved ncurses from contrib to latest. So far, to my knowledge, no package currently in /latest/ depends on zlib, so I haven't moved zlib into latest. But I will do so now. Eventually, it would be nice if setup (a) understood dependencies (b) knew what was "optional" and what was "required" -- but it doesn't. And even then, the "latest" vs. "contrib" is meaningless. "inetutils" is in "latest" but is hardly required -- most folks use sshd/ssh not telnetd/telnet or rtalk, etc. Finally, the zlib package installs itself into /usr/lib, /usr/bin, and /usr/include (along with documentation elsewhere). The fact that the archive originates in /cygwin/contrib/zlib/ is largely meaningless. To summarize: zlib-1.1.3-1: my first dll-ized zlib contribution, May 2000. in latest. zlib-1.1.3-3: zlib moved to contrib (a new subdir), Jun 2000. zlib-1.1.3-5: the great name change of '00. "cygz.dll" Oct 2000. current: zlib-1.1.3-6 xfree's copy of zlib sources is not the official one. (neither is mine for that matter, but it's as close as we can get with current zlib project status (cf. Jean-loup Gailly, Mark Adler, Greg Roelofs) Alternative: no dll. did not intend insult to cygwin-xfree folks. setup.exe required install method for cygwin, "contrib"/"latest" meaningless. I'll move zlib to "latest" anyway, if it makes people happy. -------------------------------------- -----SECTION 2 -------------------------------------- xpm. XEmacs. noX. I'd love to turn over xpm support to the cygwin-xfree folks. There's just a few problems, but we can probably find solutions. First, though, I'd like to reiterate: xpm existed as an independent package for many years. It was not an integral part of xfree until 4.0.0. Suhaib stated that he thought xpm was part of the various Xfree packages distributed in the past for B19 and B20.1 -- those packagers MAY have included the compiled lib, but only as a convenience. X11R6.3 and X11R6.4 source archives did not contain xpm themselves. In any case, when I built libxpm-3.4k for cygwin-pre21/ v1.1, there were no other precompiled binary packages for cygwin-pre21/v1.1 that included it. When it came time to migrate the xpm package from the cygutils external site into the official dist, I went looking for updated source. All I found was the newly assimiliated version inside XFree86-4.0.0, but discovered it was identical to the original xpm-3.4k. I considered stopping, then -- if xfree would provide it, why should I step on their turf? However, the Xpm dll in the cygwin-xfree project required an Xserver. If you built an app and linked to cygwin-xfree's Xpm library, you couldn't run your app without an Xserver. So, I grabbed the code and built the noX version. Also, I patched it so that it would build a dll *according to the official cygwin dll naming convention* unlike the cygwin-free one. This had the beneficial result that there was no name conflict with what was, at that time, "Suhaib's version". So, my intention with the xpm package was to provide an Xless version -- specifically for use by the xless-rxvt and by native-ms-windowing XEmacs. However (and this was discussed on cygwin-apps) I also included an X version of the library as well, with symlinks and whatnot to allow the user to choose which one to link against at compile time. This was perhaps a mistake, for which I apologize. That's all water under the bridge. I'd like to remove the xpm package and let you guys have it. But... a) all currently compiled binaries that depend on cygXpm-X.dll or cygXpm-noX.dll will break. They must be recompiled to look for the cgywin-xfree libXpm.dll (symlinks won't work. copying libXpm.dll to cygXpm-X.dll won't work -- dll's contain their own name reference) I am not sure how many packages this would affect. The precompiled cygwin XEmacs at http://www.xemacs.org/ would be one. That's very bad.... b) it will no longer be possible to build, OOB, an executable that uses libXpm to interpret and decode Xpm formatted images/icons, but that doesn't display them or that uses Windows GDI to draw its own display -- unless you have an Xserver running. Particularly, this means XEmacs. Perhaps the best thing to do is for me to modify the "xpm" package to ONLY include the noX version. However, since both the X version and the noX version should use the same header (with different #define options, certainly) this would require some modification to your official xpm.h to allow both to work together. Is that acceptable? To summarize: cygwin-xfree should distribute the official X version of libXpm.dll for cygwin the "xpm" package should contain the noX version, only header files should be harmonized the "xpm" package should be renamed "xpm-noX" ????? how can setup deal with files present in two packages...should we just insure that they are identical and let setup overwrite each with the other? many apps will break -- incl. the "official" XEmacs -- unless cygXpm-noX.dll is retained. --- VERY BAD. many apps may break if cygXpm-X.dll is replaced by libXpm.dll --- possibly ok? -------------------------------------- -----SECTION 3 -------------------------------------- dll naming convention. how the linker works. See the cygwin-apps mailing list for the full discussion. I summarize the results here: dll's: /usr/bin/cyg.dll import libs: /usr/lib/lib.dll.a static libs: /usr/lib/lib.a For whatever reason, cygwin-xfree chose not to follow this protocol. That was their decision -- and it had the serendipitous side effect that my Xpm dll and their Xpm dll didn't conflict. (until now?) At least one poster claimed that native windows tools build "foo.dll" and "foo.lib", not "libfoo.dll". Not entirely true; for example, the MikTeX distribution of netpbm ( http://www.miktex.org/ , http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/win32/miktex/util/netpbm/ ) uses libppm.dll, libpng.dll, libtiff.dll (and the exception that proves the rule, zlib.dll) There seemed to be some confusion in this thread as to how cygwin's linker finds libraries and dlls, I'll summarize here: The linker, when given the argument "-lfoo" will look for the library in the following order: 1. In the first directory in the library search path, a. libfoo.dll.a b. foo.dll.a c. libfoo.a d. cygfoo.dll (*) e. libfoo.dll f. foo.dll (*) this target is added because gcc's spec file calls ld with the "--dll-search-prefix=cyg" option. Note that this only works for versionless dll's, or if the version is explicitly specified (-lfoo5 == cygfoo5.dll). 2. go to next directory in search path and repeat. Note that the linker will first search for "import libs", then the static lib, and then as a fallback it will attempt to use DJ's magic "generate virtual import lib" stuff inside binutils and link directly to the dll. This virtual import lib stuff is NOT supposed to be used in general, except as an emergency fallback. You're supposed to provide import libs with your packages. Anyway, most of my "forks" are merely attempts to a) make the library build as a dll and as a static lib -- updated makefiles, .def files, etc. This requires more patching than I would like because until VERY recently, libtool didn't play nicely with the cygwin dll-building process b) add cygwin-specific documentation. One area where my dll's differ from the cygwin-xfree project: I explicitly use __declspec() on exported functions and variables, but cgywin-xfree does not. My way can lead to "__imp__symbol not found" errors unless you're careful with your headers (*), but is more "correct" on pei386. (also, you MUST use __declspec() on exported global variables; I'm unsure how cygwin-xfree avoids that issue, unless XFree86 libs don't export any global vars) (*) by default, the headers corresponding to all libraries I've dll-ized and contributed to cygwin, are set up to be "careful" and allow proper linking to the dll with no extra action by the user except #include the header as normal and "-lfoo" as normal. In any case, I almost always submit my changes back to the maintainers (libpng has adopted them completely, for instance). Some maintainers incorporate them, others do not. What am I supposed to do when they don't accept them? Say, "Sorry cygwiners but Sam Smith of the foobar project rejected my patch. I'm giving up; no dll for libfoobar. You'll have to live with the static lib if it builds at all." In some cases the maintainer is MIA. What then? I really resent this criticism about "forking" when there really doesn't seem to be any alternative AND the "fork" is minimal in nature: minimum changes necessary to build a working shared lib with a BRAIN-DAMAGED Microsoft-induced format. I really really resent the psuedo-ownership asserted, in which I'm somehow not ALLOWED to provide a port of an independent package as a service to the entire community, merely because the proprietor of a HUGE 21MEG project wants to bundle it inside his own mega project. This is not to belittle cygwin-xfree; it's a great project and I use it myself daily (okay, I use the libs and client progs. I'm not brave enough for the server yet; I use X-Win32). I just disagree when smaller but useful-by-themselves projects like zlib are assimilated, borglike, into the collective. About my other "forks" libpng -- all changes submitted (and accepted by) png-develop gettext -- all changes submitted, but maintainer decided to wait for autoconf improvements to support dlls on cygwin, rather than use my changes. However, it's been a long time and that STILL hasn't happened. Meanwhile, cygwin has a gettext shared lib (which wouldn't be possible without the "fork") ncurses -- changes submitted back to maintainer jpeg -- changes NOT submitted (why? because there will never be another jpeg release without major rewrite for jpeg2000 support. jpeg-6b is frozen, there will be no jpeg-6c. jpeg2000 support may be in a future library, but it won't be "libjpeg".) jbigkit -- changes NOT submitted back to maintainer. I probably should, but development seems dead. readline -- changes submitted back to maintainer. In any case, most of the changes I've made to these packages are the BARE minimum to (a) get them to compile with full functionality on cygwin (b) install and name themselves in the "official" cygwin way (c) dll-ize themselves. In many cases, maintainers are reluctant to absorb the changes necessary to support cygwin/windows' whacked mechanism of supporting dlls. Your choice: "fork" w/ shared libs, or no "fork" and static lib only (or no lib at all, in some cases). -------------------------------------- -----SECTION 4 -------------------------------------- zlib and xpm belong to XFree. That Charles person is a jerk for stealing "our" packages and releasing them separately. zlib: not true. never has been true. zlib is its own package. XFree copied the code into its codebase long ago, but even then Xfree's version was not the official one, anymore that the one inside newlib is official. xpm: NOW it is true, but it was not true back when I first ported xpm to cygwin-pre21/v1.1. those were the days of X11R6.4 which did NOT include xpm. Now the xpm sources inside XFree-4.0.x are considered canon, however. 'nuff said. This is a dead horse. -------------------------------------- -----SECTION 5 -------------------------------------- freetype. back in the days of cygwin-pre21/v1.1, I decided to port all of Andy Piper's usrlocal tarball (for cygiwn B20.1) to the new cygwin snapshots. Because of internal changes to cygwin, ALL libraries had to be recompiled, so I jumped in as a service to the community. My usr-local tarball for v1.1 was 35.1M uncompressed, and contained autoconf-2.13 automake-1.4 bzip2-0.9.5d cvs-1.10 >> freetype-1.3 gdbm-1.8.0 gettext-0.10.35 groff-1.11.1 inetutils-1.3.2 jbig-1.0 jpeg-6b libcrypt libpng-1.0.5 login man-1.5g ncurses-5.0 readline-4.0 rxvt-2.6.1 tar-1.12+bzip2 texinfo-3.12 tiff-v3.5.2 unzip-5.32 vim-5.5 no GUI >> xpm-3.4k (includes two libXpm's: one is not dependent on X) zip-2.2 zlib-1.1.3 Many of these original components have been obsoleted by later contributions to the official cygwin distro -- most by others, but some I have ported, recompiled, packaged up, and added. Anyway, freetype-1.3 was NOT part of X11R6.4 (nor was xpm-3.4k); also, for the most part, the freetype libraries didn't depend on X at all, and only a few of the freetype executables did. Anyway, the fourth release of my usr-local tarball contains only: automake-1.4 ("recently" OBSOLETED) freetype-1.3 (static lib only) ncftp-3.0.1 ("recently" OBSOLETED) rxvt-2.6.2 unzip-5.41 ("recently" OBSOLETED) wget-1.5.3 ("recently" OBSOLETED) zip-2.3 ("recently" OBSOLETED) leaving only rxvt and freetype. Since Steve O. is soon to contribute his X-less rxvt, I WAS planning to dll-ize freetype (perhaps moving to freetype2). And then usr-local would be extinct. But, I've been putting that off for a long time since it was going to be a very difficult job...I'm **OVERJOYED** to be able to cross freetype off of my list, and make my usr-local dist obsolete NOW. BTW, I *think* freetype is still an independent project (like zlib, but unlike xpm). I don't think it is correct for cygwin-xfree to be "proprietary" toward the freetype library. (e.g. Suhaib's threat *) HOWEVER, for the purposes of the CYGWIN port, we can, I think, all agree that the official freetype dll/lib/headers for cygwin will be provided by the cgywin-xfree team and not by some external effort. For my part, I agree not put forth that external effort. :-) (*) Suhaib said, "[if] libraries which are already being used by Cygwin/XFree86, like libfreetype, fonts, and xpm, start showing up in contrib I will rather take off" This is silly. XFree86 doesn't own libfreetype or zlib (it only recently assimilated xpm). My contribution of zlib and xpm was not intended to "creating headache for developers on this list" -- but to help all cygwin users, many of whom needed zlib and xpm support but did not own or want or need an Xserver; recall that the cygwin-xfree Xserver, at the time, was non-functional. However, in the interests of harmony, I personally, and I hope everyone else, will agree that cygwin-xfree will be the final arbiter when it comes to libfreetype. -------------------------------------- -----SECTION 6 -------------------------------------- cygIPC cygIPC can't be added to cygwin officially (for copyright reasons; I don't own the copyright, and the original authors have dropped off the net). OTOH, cygwin-python relies on cygIPC -- they just point people to the CygUtils site for it, and support the python users of CygIPC themselves. (There's good news coming, though: work on including SysV IPC mechanisms into cygwin1.dll itself is ongoing...but it must be a "clean room" implementation. Nobody who has looked at cygIPC code can contribute to that effort :-( ) cygwin/xfree is much more important an application than is python, IMO. I'd hate to see usage and acceptance of cygwin/xfree slowed by unncessary and confusing-to-newbies reliance on an external dependency (cygIPC). --Chuck Wilson cygwin zlib maintainer cygwin xpm maintainer (not for much longer...?) CygUtils site owner: http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/users/cwilson/cygutils/ CygIPC maintainer extremely overworked, cycle-limited grad student. From holger.vogt@ims.fhg.de Fri May 4 01:19:00 2001 From: holger.vogt@ims.fhg.de (Holger Vogt) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 01:19:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] emu3timeout Message-ID: <3AF2661E.6695B4BC@ims.fhg.de> Hi Alexander, did you also patch the binary (XWin-emu3.exe.bz2(1.3Mb)). I still get an error. Holger From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Fri May 4 01:44:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 01:44:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] emu3timeout References: <3AF2661E.6695B4BC@ims.fhg.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 May 2001, Holger Vogt wrote: > Hi Alexander, > > did you also patch the binary (XWin-emu3.exe.bz2(1.3Mb)). I still get an > error. After two people complaining, I think I've made an error in uploading. I just put the patched version to http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/XWin-emu3.exe.bz2 I hope this works now. bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From holger.vogt@ims.fhg.de Fri May 4 02:03:00 2001 From: holger.vogt@ims.fhg.de (Holger Vogt) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 02:03:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] emu3timeout References: Message-ID: <3AF27052.201E8E90@ims.fhg.de> I still get the error (download at 10:52): D:\xfree>XWin-emu3.exe -emu3timeout 50 -emulate3 -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepix el 255 -blackpixel 0 Unrecognized option: 50 use: X [:] [option] -a # mouse acceleration (pixels) -ac disable access control restrictions ... ... Holger Alexander Gottwald schrieb: > > On Fri, 4 May 2001, Holger Vogt wrote: > > > Hi Alexander, > > > > did you also patch the binary (XWin-emu3.exe.bz2(1.3Mb)). I still get an > > error. > After two people complaining, I think I've made an error in uploading. > I just put the patched version to > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/XWin-emu3.exe.bz2 > > I hope this works now. > > bye > ago > > -- > Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de > http://www.gotti.org > +49 3725 3498080 From Joerg.Schaible@gft.com Fri May 4 02:33:00 2001 From: Joerg.Schaible@gft.com (Schaible, Jörg) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 02:33:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: Hi Rob, >Jorg, >you _do realise_ that libz is part of xfree86 nowadays - the one in the >main cygwin distro.... is a fork. >Suhaibis correct. Hmmm. What qualifies that version as fork ? IMHO it has just another DLL name, but no different sources. If that is enough to entitle it as fork, well, I won't argue about that ;-) As Chris explained it is linked with the normal library (which is a platform dependent import lib forcing your app loading a DLL with a specific name) and a Cygwin user/ported should not care about it. >What may/should happen in the future is that the xfree86 one >is built as >cyglibz.dll and replaces the current one in cygwin contrib. Anyway, as Cygwin developer I do not expect to have two different versions of the same library and I would not like to take care wich library I have to use depending wether I port a Unix app using X or not. ... well, now I've read the complete thread and, yes, the two versions are forked. Additionally I think all necessary was said by Chuck. J????rg From ravigj@cdac.ernet.in Fri May 4 02:51:00 2001 From: ravigj@cdac.ernet.in (Ravi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 02:51:00 -0000 Subject: XWin.exe.stackdump error (STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO) Message-ID: <001b01c0d4e4$787db470$87cd09c0@ravipc> I have instaled Cygwin on Windows 2000. When i execute the following this is the error. I am also attaching the XWin.exe. administrator@RAVI-PC / $ /usr/X11R6/bin/XWin.exe -screen 0 800x600x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 800 height 600 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00000000 00000000 00000000 RGB 0 d 8 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Calling miSetVisualTypesAndMasks winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning ???????????????????? 0 [main] XWin 1632 handle_exceptions: Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ ZERO ???????? 1440 [main] XWin 1632 stackdump: Dumping stack trace to XWin.exe.stackdump Arithmetic exception (core dumped) Please let me know the solution... Rgds, Ravi G. Jumle XWin.exe.stackdump -------------- next part -------------- Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO at eip=004A66EC eax=00000000 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000010 edx=00000000 esi=00000010 edi=027CFD3A ebp=027CF7C4 esp=027CFC58 program=C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\XWin.exe cs=001B ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003B gs=0000 ss=0023 Stack trace: Frame Function Args 027CF7C4 004A66EC (00000000, 00000000, 00000000, 00000000) 027CFC64 004A66EC (027CFD3A, 027CFD3A, 027CFD3A, 0A08BA58) 027CFC94 0043DDA4 (027CFD3A, 027CFD3A, 027CFD3A, 0A08BA58) 027CFCE4 0041D982 (0A08BE00, 027CFD3A, 027CFD3A, 027CFD3A) 027CFD44 004A6E18 (0A016460, 00000000, 027CFDA4, 00437193) 027CFD64 0043DDFA (0A016460, 00000000, 00000000, 00000008) 027CFDA4 0043719F (00000000, 0A016460, 00000008, 1A023684) 027CFDE4 00436F33 (00000000, 0A016460, 00000008, 1A023684) 027CFE44 00402048 (00436EB0, 00000008, 1A023684, 004369EF) 027CFE74 00436A7A (007B972C, 00000008, 1A023684, 0040168B) 027CFEB4 004016A0 (00000008, 1A023684, 0A010008, FFFFFFFE) 027CFF10 61003C02 (00000000, 00000000, 02E1AE96, 00000000) 027CFF40 61003DDD (00401400, 00000000, 8131E9E0, 813CF308) 027CFF60 61003E1C (00000000, 00000000, 8131EB70, 00000005) 027CFF90 007504B0 (00401400, FFFFFFFF, 80430B27, 00000000) 027CFFC0 0040103B (00000000, 00000000, 7FFDF000, 00000000) End of stack trace (more stack frames may be present) From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Fri May 4 03:10:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:10:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <20010503225656.B11949@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20010504111051.P1448@valinux.com> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 10:56:56PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 12:45:13PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Alan Hourihane [ mailto:alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk ] > >> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:27 AM > >> To: Robert Collins > >> Cc: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > >> Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:58:36AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >> > I thought your updated cygwin as able to resolve those > >> address's better? > >> > 0x67000000 is in userland isn't it? > >> > >> 0x67000000 is libXext.dll which is where the > >> XShapeQueryExtension call is. > > > >If that dll is build with -g, we should the function names? > > Yes. That's right. They should be automatically loaded by gdb, too. > The DLLs that gdb knows about should show up via the 'info shared' > command. Yep, I had -g and I thought it was funny that symbols were lost. But it turned out to be the passing of '-s' to dllwrap which strips it all out again. I'm in the midst of a 12hour long -g re-build. I'll post more details later. Alan. From dalibor.tokic@infopark.de Fri May 4 03:13:00 2001 From: dalibor.tokic@infopark.de (dalibor tokic) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:13:00 -0000 Subject: using remote regedit with xfree Message-ID: <3AF281A7.DE2D1E11@infopark.de> Hello! When I install xfree on a lokal and a remote machine, it is possible to display the remote xclient on the local machine. So I can use X-programms that are running on the remote machine. Well here is my question: Is it possible to use Windows-Programs of the remote machine on my lokal machine? Like regedit or so. That would mean that Windows-Programs are displayed through xfree. I would like to edit the registry on a remote machine, but i fear that this is not possible, if i only use cygwin and xfree on both machines. What do you think? From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 03:20:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:20:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36E7@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > >Are we expecting to build the next full release with cygipc > ? If so, then > >that should be made aware in the FAQ too. > > I I really don't think that imposing external dependencies on > Cygwin/XFree86 is the way to go. I am sure that Suhaib will agree. For one library, such as CygIPC it is OK. Once Cygwin has its own IPC we will discontinue using CygIPC. CygIPC links statically therefore users will not need to download it from external sources in order to use our pre-compiled binaries. Suhaib > > cgf > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 03:23:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:23:00 -0000 Subject: FAQ Update suggestion (was: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36E8@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> >> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 08:56:14PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > >1) Users will need CygIP for compilation and provide a link to > >CygwUtils side > > You're really going to add an external dependency to an unsupported > package to your build? I'm surprised. It seems like you've just > increased your support load. I agree. IPC (libipc.a) links statically therefore users will not need to download it in order to use pre-compiled XFree86 binaries. It does allow enableing XSHM which has a lots of advantages. > > cgf > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 03:26:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:26:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36E9@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > I wouldn't! IMO it would be better to hold off until ipc is part of > cygwin core. (I.e. threads could have been done way back via the > win32-pthread project but fork() would have been an issue. (And may be > with cygipc for all I know). OK! Let's do a vote among developers and major contributors ONLY Should we provide next release of XFree86 precompiled binaries with XSHM (i.e. statically link to IPC)? Suhaib > > Rob > > > > > A > > > From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Fri May 4 03:28:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:28:00 -0000 Subject: using remote regedit with xfree References: <3AF281A7.DE2D1E11@infopark.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 May 2001, dalibor tokic wrote: > Hello! > > When I install xfree on a lokal and a remote machine, it is possible to > display the remote xclient on the local machine. So I can use > X-programms that are running on the remote machine. > > Well here is my question: > Is it possible to use Windows-Programs of the remote machine on my lokal > machine? Like regedit or so. That would mean that Windows-Programs are > displayed through xfree. No, this will not work. The windows programs draw via GDI directly on the videocard memory. A possible solution would be to replace the windows video driver with a version that maps the GDI calls to X11 calls. Maybe the sources from wine (x11-drv) show such potential, but this would require heavy work. > I would like to edit the registry on a remote machine, but i fear that > this is not possible, if i only use cygwin and xfree on both machines. > you can use vnc. The vnc client will allow you to see the screen of the remote machine in a window. see http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ for more info HTH ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 03:29:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:29:00 -0000 Subject: XWin.exe.stackdump error Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36EA@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Is it latest XWin.exe? > >Arithmetic exception (core dumped) huh? interesting :-) Which video card? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:51 AM > To: Ravi > Cc: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: XWin.exe.stackdump error > > > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 10:07:30PM +0530, Ravi wrote: > >I have instaled Cygwin on Windows 2000. > > > >When i execute the following this is the error. I am also > attaching the XWin.exe. > > > >administrator@RAVI-PC / > >$ /usr/X11R6/bin/XWin.exe -screen 0 800x600x8 -whitepixel > 255 -blackpixel 0 > >_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > >winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 > >winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > >winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD > >winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed > >winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f > >winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking > >winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 800 > height 600 > >winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00000000 00000000 > 00000000 RGB 0 d 8 > >winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Calling miSetVisualTypesAndMasks > >winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning > > 0 [main] XWin 1632 handle_exceptions: Exception: > STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ > >ZERO > > 1440 [main] XWin 1632 stackdump: Dumping stack trace to > XWin.exe.stackdump > >Arithmetic exception (core dumped) > > > > > > > >Please let me know the solution... > > One step towards finding the solution will be to use the > correct mailing list. > > cgf > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 03:32:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:32:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36EB@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 10:05:42PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: > > >Are we expecting to build the next full release with > cygipc ? If so, then > > >that should be made aware in the FAQ too. > > > > I I really don't think that imposing external dependencies on > > Cygwin/XFree86 is the way to go. I am sure that Suhaib will agree. > > > That's why I asked the question. I wasn't imposing it. > > Suhaib is the project admin - his call. > > Alan. > Alan, How about we leave your CygIPC patches in CVS. We will distribute precompiled binaries without XSHM. However, users who want XSHM could compile it by changing HAS_SHM define to YES and we provide a link to CygIPC at our FAQ, with a WARNING! CygIPC is unsupported. Suhaib From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Fri May 4 03:36:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:36:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36E7@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <00c801c0d485$a93f9830$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:20 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > >Are we expecting to build the next full release with cygipc > > ? If so, then > > >that should be made aware in the FAQ too. > > > > I I really don't think that imposing external dependencies on > > Cygwin/XFree86 is the way to go. I am sure that Suhaib will agree. > > > For one library, such as CygIPC it is OK. Once Cygwin has its own > IPC we will discontinue using CygIPC. CygIPC links statically > therefore users will not need to download it from external sources > in order to use our pre-compiled binaries. Actually they will (they need the ipc-daemon). And when cygwin has it's own IPC they will not be able to use cygIPC linked binaries with newer xfree binaries. I'm one of the developers of the in-cygwin IPC. I _really_ _really_ _really_ object to this. Rob > Suhaib > > > > > cgf > > > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Fri May 4 03:36:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:36:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36E9@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <00d001c0d485$c0ad5de0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: "'Robert Collins'" ; "Alan Hourihane" ; Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > I wouldn't! IMO it would be better to hold off until ipc is part of > > cygwin core. (I.e. threads could have been done way back via the > > win32-pthread project but fork() would have been an issue. (And may be > > with cygipc for all I know). > > > OK! Let's do a vote among developers and major contributors ONLY Good idea. > Should we provide next release of XFree86 precompiled binaries with > XSHM (i.e. statically link to IPC)? My vote: No. Rob From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 03:41:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:41:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36EC@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > 1) I have no objections to moving the official libz package > from contrib > to latest, and will do so at the earliest opportunity. Good > > 2) I'd prefer to relinquish Xpm support to the cygwin-xfree > project, but > the noX version of Xpm still needs a home, and **needs cooperation** > from cygwin-xfree since both X-based and noX-based libs share xpm.h. > noX-Xpm is *required* for the cygwin, native-windowing version of > XEmacs. IS XEmacs installed by Cygwin Setup.exe? If not then I would recommend putting your non-X version of Xpm with XEmacs. Majority of applications which link to Xpm also link to libX11. It is never a good idea to keep duplicate headers for the same libraries. At the moment, Xpm headers may be identical in /usr/include/X11 and /usr/X11R6/include, but in future we are definitely going to face a problem. > > 4) Suhaib's proprietary attitude toward zlib and xpm is > misplaced. The > Xfree folks copied the zlib code into their codebase a long time ago, > true -- everything in xc sources tree came from elsewhere, xfree86 folks only wrote hw/xfree86 and a few other server codes under xc/programs/Xserver I mentioned there should be coordination then people start creating dlls and including in base packages while they knew other projects depends upon them. This creates a chaos as a final result. We will not link CygIPC. Thanks for input Suhaib >but that doesn't make XFree's version official > (Xfree/xc/zlib/README still says 1.0.8 BTW, not 1.1.3). xpm was an > independent entity for YEARS (xpm-3.4k, anyone?) before finally being > adopted into the xfree codebase at 4.0.0. However, in that case, > xfree's version was officially recognized as the official > xpm. But zlib > is a system library (you don't see libz.so inside > xfree86-4.0.3-X-i386.rpm, do you?) > > 5) I hereby pledge not to provide a freetype library. (Thank God. I > was dreading it. I also didn't realize that it is now a part > of XFree. > It wasn't in x11r6.4) Suhaib was right -- I *was* planning to migrate > my port. But now I won't. And that makes me happy. :-) > > 6) cygIPC. I recommend against building cygwin/XFree86 with this > dependency. There is already work underway to add IPC > functionality to > the cygwin1.dll, although full IPC support will require a "cygwin > daemon". Once this capability is added to the official cygwin dist, > then it will be actively supported by the cgywin developers. However, > CygIPC (by which I mean the specific package at > http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/users/cwilson/cygutils/V1.1/cygipc/ ) will > NEVER be added to the official dist, for licensing reasons. > Therefore, > CygIPC is not supported by the list, but by one person. Me. And I've > got really limited cycles; I'm afraid that hundreds of new > cygwin-xfree > users will overwhelm my ability to support. The end result: people > upset with me, people upset with cygwin-xfree, and really really > confused newbies. But it's your decision. > > -------------------------------------- > -----SECTION 1 > -------------------------------------- > zlib moving to latest. What does "contrib" vs. "latest" > mean? A bit of > history. > > my dll-ized version of zlib first appeared in cygwin/latest on Sat, 13 > May 2000. > > It is true that cygwin-xfree contained a zlib library at that time. > However, zlib is required for many other packages and it was IMO silly > to force people who wanted libpng (which depends on libz) to > download a > 21Meg package (xfree86-bin.tar.bz2 was 21Meg, at the time) in order to > get a 50k dll that is, in fact, a separate project. libz has its own > webpage, and its own (okay, halted) development. But the source code > inside xfree/zlib/ is NOT the official repository of zlib. > http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/zlib/ is. > > At best, we have two separate forks of zlib. Not "Xfree's official > non-forked zlib" and that scuzball cwilson's evil fork. XFree forked > the zlib code at 1.0.8 and included the code within its own > codebase. I > took 1.1.3 and applied the patches necessary to get it to > build as a dll > on cygwin, and follow the cygwin conventions. xfree *may* have been > tracking the official zlib code changes from 1.0.8--1.1.3, but I'm not > sure. I do know that cygwin-xfree's version of libz.dll does > not follow > the cygwin naming conventions. So which one is the fork? Which one > *should* be official? (answer left as an exercise for the > student). The > main difference between the two libz dll's is the __declspec() > decorations in zlib-1.1.3-6's cygz.dll, and no declspec decorations in > cygwin-xfree's libz.dll. Also, the name cygz.dll vs. libz.dll. Not > counting the actual dll's, zlib-1.1.3-6 provides /usr/lib/libz.dll.a > (import lib) AND /usr/lib/libz.a (static lib). xfree provides only > /usr/X11R6/lib/libz.a (import lib). NO possibility of static linking > with the xfree version of libz. I'll point out, also, that > the official > cygwin/windows dll naming scheme requires cygz.dll and > libz.dll.a names > for dll and import lib. > > Anyway, I contributed zlib as a dll and static lib to cygwin in May of > 2000. It was always my hope that the cygwin-xfree folks would start > using it instead of rolling their own, but that never happened (until > now, maybe). I'm not sure why, but whatever the reason, it's not > important. > > I provided the zlib package as a service to cygwin users -- including > xfree-folks -- and did NOT intend it as an insult or slight to the > cygwin-xfree people. I also don't consider it a fork. I submitted my > changes, which enable zlib to build as a dll on cygwin following the > appropriate conventions, back to Greg Roelofs. He has placed them at > http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/zlib/contrib/ However, he is > reluctant to release a 1.1.4 with any additional patches > without the OK > from Jean-loup Gailly -- and HE doesn't really want to release ANY > updates that aren't strictly bugfix. Thus, any new platform support > (e.g. a dll-ized cygwin zlib) can only be as official as the > infozip/zlib/contrib directory on the info-zip.org website. Until > Jean-loup and Mark Adler decide to fix any bugs. :-( > > Mea culpa: I haven't submitted my changes to Greg since > cygwin-zlib-1.1.3-2. We're now at 1.1.3-6. The library name change > happened eight months ago at 1.1.3-5, in order to follow the official > dll naming convention for cygwin. I'm terribly sorry about the > oversight. I'll correct that immediately and submit my > latest patch to > Greg. > > Anyway, back to cygwin-zlib. In June 2000, at zlib-1.1.3-3, zlib was > moved to the newly created cygwin/contrib directory. (Remember, > zlib-1.1.3-1,2 both lived in cygwin/latest). This was because, at the > time, the "official" packages (e.g. from DJ, Chris, and Corinna) would > be in "latest" and EVERYTHING else would go in "contrib". We even > talked about porter-specific contrib dirs, but decided > against it. Note > that the distinction between latest and contrib was based on > SOURCE (who > submitted it), not on a distinction between "required" and > "optional" -- > although, in the end, that's the way it has worked out. > > Right now, though, setup.exe -- the REQUIRED method of > installing cygwin > -- makes no distinction at ALL between "latest" and "contrib". zlib > could be in /cygwin/dont-install-me/zlib/ and setup.exe would still > happily display it as an option. So, currently, the > "contrib" directory > is meaningless except at the meta-level as a contributer-ID > classification. > > My understanding of the "protocol" was that once an "official" package > -- e.g. one in /latest/ -- developed a dependency on a "contrib" > package, then either (a) remove the dependency, or (b) move > the package > into latest. This happened recently with ncurses -- the inetutils > (talk) package acquired a dependency, so we moved ncurses from contrib > to latest. So far, to my knowledge, no package currently in /latest/ > depends on zlib, so I haven't moved zlib into latest. But I > will do so > now. > > Eventually, it would be nice if setup (a) understood dependencies (b) > knew what was "optional" and what was "required" -- but it > doesn't. And > even then, the "latest" vs. "contrib" is meaningless. > "inetutils" is in > "latest" but is hardly required -- most folks use sshd/ssh not > telnetd/telnet or rtalk, etc. > > Finally, the zlib package installs itself into /usr/lib, /usr/bin, and > /usr/include (along with documentation elsewhere). The fact that the > archive originates in /cygwin/contrib/zlib/ is largely meaningless. > > To summarize: > zlib-1.1.3-1: my first dll-ized zlib contribution, May 2000. in > latest. > zlib-1.1.3-3: zlib moved to contrib (a new subdir), Jun 2000. > zlib-1.1.3-5: the great name change of '00. "cygz.dll" Oct 2000. > current: zlib-1.1.3-6 > xfree's copy of zlib sources is not the official one. > (neither is mine for that matter, but it's as close as we > can get with > current zlib project status (cf. Jean-loup Gailly, Mark Adler, Greg > Roelofs) Alternative: no dll. > did not intend insult to cygwin-xfree folks. > setup.exe required install method for cygwin, "contrib"/"latest" > meaningless. > I'll move zlib to "latest" anyway, if it makes people happy. > > -------------------------------------- > -----SECTION 2 > -------------------------------------- > xpm. XEmacs. noX. > > I'd love to turn over xpm support to the cygwin-xfree folks. There's > just a few problems, but we can probably find solutions. > First, though, > I'd like to reiterate: xpm existed as an independent package for many > years. It was not an integral part of xfree until 4.0.0. > Suhaib stated > that he thought xpm was part of the various Xfree packages distributed > in the past for B19 and B20.1 -- those packagers MAY have included the > compiled lib, but only as a convenience. X11R6.3 and X11R6.4 source > archives did not contain xpm themselves. In any case, when I built > libxpm-3.4k for cygwin-pre21/ v1.1, there were no other precompiled > binary packages for cygwin-pre21/v1.1 that included it. > > When it came time to migrate the xpm package from the > cygutils external > site into the official dist, I went looking for updated source. All I > found was the newly assimiliated version inside XFree86-4.0.0, but > discovered it was identical to the original xpm-3.4k. I considered > stopping, then -- if xfree would provide it, why should I > step on their > turf? However, the Xpm dll in the cygwin-xfree project required an > Xserver. If you built an app and linked to cygwin-xfree's > Xpm library, > you couldn't run your app without an Xserver. So, I grabbed the code > and built the noX version. Also, I patched it so that it > would build a > dll *according to the official cygwin dll naming convention* > unlike the > cygwin-free one. This had the beneficial result that there > was no name > conflict with what was, at that time, "Suhaib's version". > > So, my intention with the xpm package was to provide an Xless > version -- > specifically for use by the xless-rxvt and by native-ms-windowing > XEmacs. However (and this was discussed on cygwin-apps) I > also included > an X version of the library as well, with symlinks and > whatnot to allow > the user to choose which one to link against at compile time. > This was > perhaps a mistake, for which I apologize. > > That's all water under the bridge. I'd like to remove the xpm package > and let you guys have it. But... > > a) all currently compiled binaries that depend on cygXpm-X.dll or > cygXpm-noX.dll will break. They must be recompiled to look for the > cgywin-xfree libXpm.dll (symlinks won't work. copying libXpm.dll to > cygXpm-X.dll won't work -- dll's contain their own name reference) > > I am not sure how many packages this would affect. The precompiled > cygwin XEmacs at http://www.xemacs.org/ would be one. That's very > bad.... > > b) it will no longer be possible to build, OOB, an executable > that uses > libXpm to interpret and decode Xpm formatted images/icons, but that > doesn't display them or that uses Windows GDI to draw its own > display -- > unless you have an Xserver running. Particularly, this means XEmacs. > > Perhaps the best thing to do is for me to modify the "xpm" package to > ONLY include the noX version. However, since both the X > version and the > noX version should use the same header (with different > #define options, > certainly) this would require some modification to your official xpm.h > to allow both to work together. Is that acceptable? > > To summarize: > cygwin-xfree should distribute the official X version of libXpm.dll > for cygwin > the "xpm" package should contain the noX version, only > header files should be harmonized > the "xpm" package should be renamed "xpm-noX" ????? > how can setup deal with files present in two > packages...should we just > insure that they are identical and let setup overwrite each with the > other? > many apps will break -- incl. the "official" XEmacs -- unless > cygXpm-noX.dll is retained. > --- VERY BAD. > many apps may break if cygXpm-X.dll is replaced by libXpm.dll > --- possibly ok? > > -------------------------------------- > -----SECTION 3 > -------------------------------------- > dll naming convention. how the linker works. > > See the cygwin-apps mailing list for the full discussion. I summarize > the results here: > dll's: /usr/bin/cyg.dll > import libs: /usr/lib/lib.dll.a > static libs: /usr/lib/lib.a > For whatever reason, cygwin-xfree chose not to follow this protocol. > That was their decision -- and it had the serendipitous side > effect that > my Xpm dll and their Xpm dll didn't conflict. (until now?) > > At least one poster claimed that native windows tools build "foo.dll" > and "foo.lib", not "libfoo.dll". Not entirely true; for example, the > MikTeX distribution of netpbm ( http://www.miktex.org/ , > http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/win32/miktex/util/netp > bm/ ) uses > libppm.dll, libpng.dll, libtiff.dll (and the exception that proves the > rule, zlib.dll) > > There seemed to be some confusion in this thread as to how cygwin's > linker finds libraries and dlls, I'll summarize here: > > The linker, when given the argument "-lfoo" will look for the > library in > the following order: > > 1. In the first directory in the library search path, > a. libfoo.dll.a > b. foo.dll.a > c. libfoo.a > d. cygfoo.dll (*) > e. libfoo.dll > f. foo.dll > > (*) this target is added because gcc's spec file calls ld with the > "--dll-search-prefix=cyg" option. Note that this only works for > versionless dll's, or if the version is explicitly specified > (-lfoo5 == > cygfoo5.dll). > > 2. go to next directory in search path and repeat. > > Note that the linker will first search for "import libs", then the > static lib, and then as a fallback it will attempt to use DJ's magic > "generate virtual import lib" stuff inside binutils and link > directly to > the dll. This virtual import lib stuff is NOT supposed to be used in > general, except as an emergency fallback. You're supposed to provide > import libs with your packages. > > Anyway, most of my "forks" are merely attempts to > a) make the library build as a dll and as a static lib -- updated > makefiles, .def files, etc. This requires more patching than I would > like because until VERY recently, libtool didn't play nicely with the > cygwin dll-building process > b) add cygwin-specific documentation. > > One area where my dll's differ from the cygwin-xfree project: I > explicitly use __declspec() on exported functions and variables, but > cgywin-xfree does not. My way can lead to "__imp__symbol not found" > errors unless you're careful with your headers (*), but is more > "correct" on pei386. (also, you MUST use __declspec() on exported > global variables; I'm unsure how cygwin-xfree avoids that > issue, unless > XFree86 libs don't export any global vars) > > (*) by default, the headers corresponding to all libraries > I've dll-ized > and contributed to cygwin, are set up to be "careful" and allow proper > linking to the dll with no extra action by the user except > #include the > header as normal and "-lfoo" as normal. > > In any case, I almost always submit my changes back to the maintainers > (libpng has adopted them completely, for instance). Some maintainers > incorporate them, others do not. What am I supposed to do when they > don't accept them? Say, "Sorry cygwiners but Sam Smith of the foobar > project rejected my patch. I'm giving up; no dll for > libfoobar. You'll > have to live with the static lib if it builds at all." In some cases > the maintainer is MIA. What then? > > I really resent this criticism about "forking" when there > really doesn't > seem to be any alternative AND the "fork" is minimal in > nature: minimum > changes necessary to build a working shared lib with a BRAIN-DAMAGED > Microsoft-induced format. I really really resent the psuedo-ownership > asserted, in which I'm somehow not ALLOWED to provide a port of an > independent package as a service to the entire community, > merely because > the proprietor of a HUGE 21MEG project wants to bundle it > inside his own > mega project. > > This is not to belittle cygwin-xfree; it's a great project > and I use it > myself daily (okay, I use the libs and client progs. I'm not brave > enough for the server yet; I use X-Win32). I just disagree > when smaller > but useful-by-themselves projects like zlib are assimilated, borglike, > into the collective. > > About my other "forks" > libpng -- all changes submitted (and accepted by) png-develop > gettext -- all changes submitted, but maintainer decided to wait for > autoconf improvements to support dlls on cygwin, rather than use my > changes. However, it's been a long time and that STILL hasn't > happened. Meanwhile, cygwin has a gettext shared lib (which > wouldn't be > possible without the "fork") > ncurses -- changes submitted back to maintainer > jpeg -- changes NOT submitted (why? because there will never be > another jpeg release without major rewrite for jpeg2000 > support. jpeg-6b > is frozen, there will be no jpeg-6c. jpeg2000 support may be in a > future library, but it won't be "libjpeg".) > jbigkit -- changes NOT submitted back to maintainer. I probably > should, but development seems dead. > readline -- changes submitted back to maintainer. > > In any case, most of the changes I've made to these packages are the > BARE minimum to (a) get them to compile with full functionality on > cygwin (b) install and name themselves in the "official" > cygwin way (c) > dll-ize themselves. > > In many cases, maintainers are reluctant to absorb the > changes necessary > to support cygwin/windows' whacked mechanism of supporting dlls. Your > choice: "fork" w/ shared libs, or no "fork" and static lib only (or no > lib at all, in some cases). > > -------------------------------------- > -----SECTION 4 > -------------------------------------- > zlib and xpm belong to XFree. That Charles person is a jerk for > stealing "our" packages and releasing them separately. > > zlib: not true. never has been true. zlib is its own package. XFree > copied the code into its codebase long ago, but even then Xfree's > version was not the official one, anymore that the one inside > newlib is > official. > > xpm: NOW it is true, but it was not true back when I first > ported xpm to > cygwin-pre21/v1.1. those were the days of X11R6.4 which did > NOT include > xpm. Now the xpm sources inside XFree-4.0.x are considered canon, > however. > > 'nuff said. This is a dead horse. > > -------------------------------------- > -----SECTION 5 > -------------------------------------- > freetype. > > back in the days of cygwin-pre21/v1.1, I decided to port all of Andy > Piper's usrlocal tarball (for cygiwn B20.1) to the new cygwin > snapshots. Because of internal changes to cygwin, ALL > libraries had to > be recompiled, so I jumped in as a service to the community. My > usr-local tarball for v1.1 was 35.1M uncompressed, and contained > autoconf-2.13 > automake-1.4 > bzip2-0.9.5d > cvs-1.10 > >> freetype-1.3 > gdbm-1.8.0 > gettext-0.10.35 > groff-1.11.1 > inetutils-1.3.2 > jbig-1.0 > jpeg-6b > libcrypt > libpng-1.0.5 > login > man-1.5g > ncurses-5.0 > readline-4.0 > rxvt-2.6.1 > tar-1.12+bzip2 > texinfo-3.12 > tiff-v3.5.2 > unzip-5.32 > vim-5.5 no GUI > >> xpm-3.4k (includes two libXpm's: one is not dependent on X) > zip-2.2 > zlib-1.1.3 > > Many of these original components have been obsoleted by later > contributions to the official cygwin distro -- most by > others, but some > I have ported, recompiled, packaged up, and added. Anyway, > freetype-1.3 > was NOT part of X11R6.4 (nor was xpm-3.4k); also, for the > most part, the > freetype libraries didn't depend on X at all, and only a few of the > freetype executables did. Anyway, the fourth release of my usr-local > tarball contains only: > > automake-1.4 ("recently" OBSOLETED) > freetype-1.3 (static lib only) > ncftp-3.0.1 ("recently" OBSOLETED) > rxvt-2.6.2 > unzip-5.41 ("recently" OBSOLETED) > wget-1.5.3 ("recently" OBSOLETED) > zip-2.3 ("recently" OBSOLETED) > > leaving only rxvt and freetype. Since Steve O. is soon to contribute > his X-less rxvt, I WAS planning to dll-ize freetype (perhaps moving to > freetype2). And then usr-local would be extinct. But, I've been > putting that off for a long time since it was going to be a very > difficult job...I'm **OVERJOYED** to be able to cross > freetype off of my > list, and make my usr-local dist obsolete NOW. > > BTW, I *think* freetype is still an independent project (like > zlib, but > unlike xpm). I don't think it is correct for cygwin-xfree to be > "proprietary" toward the freetype library. (e.g. Suhaib's threat *) > HOWEVER, for the purposes of the CYGWIN port, we can, I > think, all agree > that the official freetype dll/lib/headers for cygwin will be provided > by the cgywin-xfree team and not by some external effort. > > For my part, I agree not put forth that external effort. :-) > > (*) Suhaib said, "[if] libraries which are already being used by > Cygwin/XFree86, like libfreetype, fonts, and xpm, start showing up in > contrib I will rather take off" This is silly. XFree86 doesn't own > libfreetype or zlib (it only recently assimilated xpm). My > contribution > of zlib and xpm was not intended to "creating headache for > developers on > this list" -- but to help all cygwin users, many of whom > needed zlib and > xpm support but did not own or want or need an Xserver; > recall that the > cygwin-xfree Xserver, at the time, was non-functional. > However, in the > interests of harmony, I personally, and I hope everyone else, > will agree > that cygwin-xfree will be the final arbiter when it comes to > libfreetype. > > -------------------------------------- > -----SECTION 6 > -------------------------------------- > cygIPC > > cygIPC can't be added to cygwin officially (for copyright reasons; I > don't own the copyright, and the original authors have dropped off the > net). OTOH, cygwin-python relies on cygIPC -- they just point people > to the CygUtils site for it, and support the python users of CygIPC > themselves. (There's good news coming, though: work on including SysV > IPC mechanisms into cygwin1.dll itself is ongoing...but it must be a > "clean room" implementation. Nobody who has looked at cygIPC code can > contribute to that effort :-( ) > > cygwin/xfree is much more important an application than is > python, IMO. > I'd hate to see usage and acceptance of cygwin/xfree slowed by > unncessary and confusing-to-newbies reliance on an external dependency > (cygIPC). > > --Chuck Wilson > cygwin zlib maintainer > cygwin xpm maintainer (not for much longer...?) > CygUtils site owner: http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/users/cwilson/cygutils/ CygIPC maintainer extremely overworked, cycle-limited grad student. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 03:47:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:47:00 -0000 Subject: using remote regedit with xfree Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36EE@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> \ > Well here is my question: > Is it possible to use Windows-Programs of the remote machine > on my lokal > machine? Like regedit or so. That would mean that Windows-Programs are > displayed through xfree. > NO sms > I would like to edit the registry on a remote machine, but i fear that > this is not possible, if i only use cygwin and xfree on both machines. > > What do you think? > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 03:47:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:47:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36ED@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Yep, I had -g and I thought it was funny that symbols were lost. > > But it turned out to be the passing of '-s' to dllwrap which > strips it all > out again. > > I'm in the midst of a 12hour long -g re-build. I'll post more > details later. > > Alan. > I did build entire x tree with -g option, that is the way I was able to trace to libkernel32.a... Rob suggested that time that pthread was crashing in Windows kernel32.dll. I had been planing to install Debug version of Windows2000 from my MSDN disks, on one partition and see if it can help me trace problem. This will need some work, e.g. backing up current disk, partitioning it and installing Windows2000 Debug version, now a days I lack those extra free hours, therefore I had been unable to do it. Suhaib From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 03:48:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:48:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36EF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Actually they will (they need the ipc-daemon). And when > cygwin has it's > own IPC they will not be able to use cygIPC linked binaries with newer > xfree binaries. > > I'm one of the developers of the in-cygwin IPC. > > I _really_ _really_ _really_ object to this. > > Rob > We will not link to CygIPC :-) Suhaib From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Fri May 4 03:48:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:48:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36EB@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c0d487$56600260$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> This makes good sense. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: "'Alan Hourihane'" ; Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 10:05:42PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: > > > >Are we expecting to build the next full release with > > cygipc ? If so, then > > > >that should be made aware in the FAQ too. > > > > > > I I really don't think that imposing external dependencies on > > > Cygwin/XFree86 is the way to go. I am sure that Suhaib will agree. > > > > > That's why I asked the question. I wasn't imposing it. > > > > Suhaib is the project admin - his call. > > > > Alan. > > > > > Alan, > How about we leave your CygIPC patches in CVS. We will distribute > precompiled binaries without XSHM. However, users who want > XSHM could compile it by changing HAS_SHM define to YES and we provide > a link to CygIPC at our FAQ, with a WARNING! CygIPC is unsupported. > > Suhaib > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 03:59:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:59:00 -0000 Subject: FAQ Update suggestion (was: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36F1@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Can I ask that we _do not_ distribute binaries with IPC > support enabled. > Three reasons: > 1) It's not part of cygwin core. It _may_ have problems with > fork(), and > it will not interoperate with the coming in-cygwin implementation. > 2) It's not part of cygwin core.... thus we will have more user > questions because they cannot get it via setup. > 3) I can't think of a third reason :] > > > 2) users will need to install cygz.dll > > They are advised to install all of cygwin now. The specific > package list > is in Harold's User guide, and the latest sgml sources aren't uploaded > AFAIK. > > > 3) If compiling X application and linking to XPM, make sure > > you get ride of > > /usr/include/X11 headers and cygXpm-X4 blah blah, which is > > just a duplicate > > of stuff from Cygwin/XFree86.. > > Is this the text you want? If not I'm not quite sure what I should be > saying .. yes. Or at least rename /usr/include/X11 to something else. > > > 4) make srue you do not insatll libfreetype and other > > libraries and headers > > already present in xc sources tree from CygUtils site. > > Do we have a list of possible problems... users will not know > what is in > the xc sources tree. At the moment no, but is it a good idea to have duplicate libraries and headers on the same system. They can be of different version and might create problems? Suhaib > > Rob > > > Thanks > > Suhaib > > > From holgate@debian.org Fri May 4 03:59:00 2001 From: holgate@debian.org (Nick Holgate) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 03:59:00 -0000 Subject: XWin.exe.stackdump error References: <20010504005039.A14114@redhat.com> Message-ID: <003c01c0d489$09572cd0$adc809c0@bvmltd.co.uk> > > 0 [main] XWin 1632 handle_exceptions: Exception: > STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ > >ZERO > > 1440 [main] XWin 1632 stackdump: Dumping stack trace to > XWin.exe.stackdump I had the same problem, I worked around it using the -fullscreen option, but it appears to be fixed in Harold's server test 22: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/XWin-Test22.exe.bz2 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Nick Holgate GPG key from public servers : Key ID FD9C18AF Fingerprint = 9DCA EDEA D5C5 57DA 23F3 1A2B 2273 5645 FD9C 18AF From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Fri May 4 04:05:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 04:05:00 -0000 Subject: FAQ Update suggestion (was: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36F1@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <011901c0d489$bd3f3c60$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: "'Robert Collins'" ; Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: RE: FAQ Update suggestion (was: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 > > > > 4) make srue you do not insatll libfreetype and other > > > libraries and headers > > > already present in xc sources tree from CygUtils site. > > > > Do we have a list of possible problems... users will not know > > what is in > > the xc sources tree. > > > At the moment no, but is it a good idea to have duplicate libraries and > headers on the same system. They can be of different version and might > create > problems? > Indeed they can. What I'm asking for is a list of the libraries that are provided by xfree. Ie freetype, xpm,..... Rob From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Fri May 4 04:34:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 04:34:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] emu3timeout References: <3AF27052.201E8E90@ims.fhg.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 May 2001, Holger Vogt wrote: > I still get the error (download at 10:52): > > D:\xfree>XWin-emu3.exe -emu3timeout 50 -emulate3 -screen 0 1024x768x16 Maybe it's still in a cache somewhere. I just checked it and it works for me. Please try http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/XWin-emu3-test2.exe.bz2 It's an symbolic link to the binary, but should be unknown to any cache. bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Fri May 4 04:38:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 04:38:00 -0000 Subject: Status of cygwin KDE project - beta version of dll based qt 2.3.0 library is running Message-ID: <001e01c0d48e$b7c269b0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Hi people, Today a beta version of qt 2.3.0 as dll(!) is compiled. All examples delivered except the opengl because of missing opengl support in the xfree server (I guess) are running. Thanks to Paul Sokolovski for supporting "auto-import-patch" ld patch The next step is to finish proper qt-platform config file for cygwin and to integrate the ld patch in current binutils distribution The third step will be patching libtool and kde makefiles to create kde-dll's. (Perhaps Stefan Kulow can help with this ??) For basic kde-on-Cygwin project infos look at http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01159.html Regards Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 04:44:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 04:44:00 -0000 Subject: Status of cygwin KDE project - beta version of dll based qt 2.3.0 library is running Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36F2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Hi people, > > Today a beta version of qt 2.3.0 as dll(!) is compiled. All examples > delivered except the opengl because of missing opengl support > in the xfree > server (I guess) are running. huh? xfree86 has opengl support. It support software rendering of GLX extension. libGL, libGLU and libglw are included. Suhaib > > Thanks to Paul Sokolovski for supporting "auto-import-patch" ld patch > > The next step is to finish proper qt-platform config file for > cygwin and to > integrate the ld patch in current binutils distribution > The third step will be patching libtool and kde makefiles to create > kde-dll's. (Perhaps Stefan Kulow can help with this ??) > > For basic kde-on-Cygwin project infos look at > http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01159.html > > Regards > > > Ralf Habacker > EMail: Ralf@habacker.de > Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 05:24:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 05:24:00 -0000 Subject: FAQ Update suggestion (was: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 22 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36F3@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Indeed they can. What I'm asking for is a list of the > libraries that are > provided by xfree. Ie freetype, xpm,..... At present they are: libfreetype, libfreetype2 and xpm. Suhaib > > Rob > From holger.vogt@ims.fhg.de Fri May 4 05:30:00 2001 From: holger.vogt@ims.fhg.de (Holger Vogt) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 05:30:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] emu3timeout References: Message-ID: <3AF2A0CB.AF8E559A@ims.fhg.de> That's it. Thanks Holger Alexander Gottwald schrieb: > > On Fri, 4 May 2001, Holger Vogt wrote: > > > I still get the error (download at 10:52): > > > > D:\xfree>XWin-emu3.exe -emu3timeout 50 -emulate3 -screen 0 1024x768x16 > > Maybe it's still in a cache somewhere. I just checked it and it works > for me. > > Please try > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/XWin-emu3-test2.exe.bz2 > It's an symbolic link to the binary, but should be unknown to any cache. > > bye > ago > > -- > Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de > http://www.gotti.org > +49 3725 349 80 80 From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 05:45:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 05:45:00 -0000 Subject: Status of cygwin KDE project - beta version of dll based qt 2.3.0 library is running Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36F4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Hi people, > > Today a beta version of qt 2.3.0 as dll(!) is compiled. All examples > delivered except the opengl because of missing opengl support > in the xfree > server (I guess) are running. You might be having one of those installing dual headers issues.... Andre Bleau took SGI OpenGL headers, which are part of Xfree86 4.0, modified them so GLX extension is not used. His modified headers had been part of Cygwin and being installed in /usr/include/GL. Are you getting undefined referneces when compiling KDE Opengl modules? If so, what might be going on your; compiler is picking GL headers from /usr/include/GL and linking to /usr/lib/libopengl.a. Those headers do not have GLX extensions, therefore your KDE applications will fail. Make sure you you use original GL headers from /usr/X11R6/include/GL and libraries from /usr/X11R6/lib This is another example of taking headers and library our of this project and making life of contributors and developers a bit difficult over here. Suhaib > > Thanks to Paul Sokolovski for supporting "auto-import-patch" ld patch > > The next step is to finish proper qt-platform config file for > cygwin and to > integrate the ld patch in current binutils distribution > The third step will be patching libtool and kde makefiles to create > kde-dll's. (Perhaps Stefan Kulow can help with this ??) > > For basic kde-on-Cygwin project infos look at > http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01159.html > > Regards > > > Ralf Habacker > EMail: Ralf@habacker.de > Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Fri May 4 09:06:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:06:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread Message-ID: <20010504170647.I24977@valinux.com> O.k. I now know what's happening... In the X11-def.cpp we have the following definitions... _Xdebug_p=_Xdebug CONSTANT _XCreateMutex_fn_p=_XCreateMutex_fn CONSTANT _XFreeMutex_fn_p=_XFreeMutex_fn CONSTANT _XLockMutex_fn_p=_XLockMutex_fn CONSTANT _XUnlockMutex_fn_p=_XUnlockMutex_fn CONSTANT _Xglobal_lock_p=_Xglobal_lock CONSTANT The _Xdebug and _Xglobal_lock definitions are global variables. Whereas the others are functions. What's happening is that in libXext it eventually ends up calling the _XLockMutex(_Xglobal_lock) function. Then, when threads are not used, which is normal in twm's case as it never creates any threads - It should just do nothing. But what happens now is that _Xglobal_lock is used as a check to see if threads are enabled. If this returns a non-NULL value it assumes that threads are used. Bang! _Xglobal_lock 's value is basically being defined as it's pointer in memory space. Therefore this is where this 0xd1x.... value comes from. It's not the actual value of _Xglobal_lock. I'm not a DLL building expert, but we need to fix the pointer/value mismatch. Whether this can be done with fixing the X11-def.cpp I don't know. There are some comments in Xlibint.h about defining _XLIBINT_ through the use of the NeedLibInsideFlag (in cygwin.rules). Whether this can help is another route. I need a DLL guru. Alan. From huntharo@pilot.msu.edu Fri May 4 10:51:00 2001 From: huntharo@pilot.msu.edu (Harold L Hunt) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:51:00 -0000 Subject: XWin.exe.stackdump error References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36EA@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <200105041751.f44HpSi37792@pilot29.cl.msu.edu> Cygwin/XFree86 has no video card dependencies; understand that, it's important. The problem this user is reporting is due to running in 8 bits per pixel mode, which is currently not supported and often results in an integer divide by zero error. Harold > > Is it latest XWin.exe? > > > >Arithmetic exception (core dumped) > > huh? interesting :-) > Which video card? > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com ] > > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:51 AM > > To: Ravi > > Cc: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > > Subject: Re: XWin.exe.stackdump error > > > > > > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 10:07:30PM +0530, Ravi wrote: > > >I have instaled Cygwin on Windows 2000. > > > > > >When i execute the following this is the error. I am also > > attaching the XWin.exe. > > > > > >administrator@RAVI-PC / > > >$ /usr/X11R6/bin/XWin.exe -screen 0 800x600x8 -whitepixel > > 255 -blackpixel 0 > > >_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > > >winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 > > >winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > > >winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD > > >winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed > > >winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f > > >winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking > > >winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 800 > > height 600 > > >winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00000000 00000000 > > 00000000 RGB 0 d 8 > > >winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Calling miSetVisualTypesAndMasks > > >winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning > > > 0 [main] XWin 1632 handle_exceptions: Exception: > > STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ > > >ZERO > > > 1440 [main] XWin 1632 stackdump: Dumping stack trace to > > XWin.exe.stackdump > > >Arithmetic exception (core dumped) > > > > > > > > > > > >Please let me know the solution... > > > > One step towards finding the solution will be to use the > > correct mailing list. > > > > cgf > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 4 14:16:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:16:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36F8@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> I am looking into it. I might have some success. However this weekend I m out of town so it might take a few more days Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Hourihane [ mailto:alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk ] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:07 PM > To: Robert Collins > Cc: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread > > > O.k. I now know what's happening... > > In the X11-def.cpp we have the following definitions... > > _Xdebug_p=_Xdebug CONSTANT > _XCreateMutex_fn_p=_XCreateMutex_fn CONSTANT > _XFreeMutex_fn_p=_XFreeMutex_fn CONSTANT > _XLockMutex_fn_p=_XLockMutex_fn CONSTANT > _XUnlockMutex_fn_p=_XUnlockMutex_fn CONSTANT > _Xglobal_lock_p=_Xglobal_lock CONSTANT > > The _Xdebug and _Xglobal_lock definitions are global > variables. Whereas > the others are functions. > > What's happening is that in libXext it eventually ends up calling the > _XLockMutex(_Xglobal_lock) function. Then, when threads are > not used, which > is normal in twm's case as it never creates any threads - It > should just do > nothing. > > But what happens now is that _Xglobal_lock is used as a check to see > if threads are enabled. If this returns a non-NULL value it > assumes that > threads are used. Bang! > > _Xglobal_lock 's value is basically being defined as it's > pointer in memory > space. Therefore this is where this 0xd1x.... value comes > from. It's not > the actual value of _Xglobal_lock. > > I'm not a DLL building expert, but we need to fix the > pointer/value mismatch. > Whether this can be done with fixing the X11-def.cpp I don't > know. There > are some comments in Xlibint.h about defining _XLIBINT_ > through the use > of the NeedLibInsideFlag (in cygwin.rules). Whether this can > help is another > route. > > I need a DLL guru. > > Alan. > From mohitb@hotmail.com Fri May 4 17:50:00 2001 From: mohitb@hotmail.com (Mohit Bhargava) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 17:50:00 -0000 Subject: Required X fonts file. Message-ID: The following fonts files is on the list of required files to install xfree86 on Cygwin. It seems to be missing from the binaries on the mirror sites. Do I need to build this file or is it available elsewhere ? xfree86-4.0.3-fonts.tar.bz2 (30.6MB; required, X fonts) Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Mohit ------------------------------------------ Mohit Bhargava, mohitb@hotmail.com From jnc@nada.kth.se Sat May 5 04:21:00 2001 From: jnc@nada.kth.se (jnc@nada.kth.se) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 04:21:00 -0000 Subject: missing file Message-ID: <989061678.3af3e22e9548c@mail1.nada.kth.se> Hi I can't find this binary file the 'm downloading X for windows, checked severa cites but since they mirror yours they miss it also missing file xfree86-4.0.3-fonts.tar.bz2 Best regards Christer From flognat@flognat.myip.org Sat May 5 04:51:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 04:51:00 -0000 Subject: missing file References: <989061678.3af3e22e9548c@mail1.nada.kth.se> Message-ID: [followup emailed to jnc and Mohit.. The fonts files are split up into groups, so you don't need to download the complete 30 megs, grab the tgz-files sounding like the ones you need, like the 100dpi-fonts and 75dpi-fonts. /Andy / jnc@nada.kth.se wrote: | Hi I can't find this binary file the 'm downloading X for windows, checked severa cites but since they mirror yours they miss it also | | missing file | xfree86-4.0.3-fonts.tar.bz2 | | Best regards | Christer From a.eibach@gmx.net Sat May 5 05:36:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 05:36:00 -0000 Subject: Current state of pthread implementation? References: Message-ID: <008701c0d560$0284acc0$6a1307d5@andreas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Collins" To: "Andreas Eibach" ; Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:58 AM Subject: RE: Current state of pthread implementation? There is no fog! Suhaib is _able_ to compile a thread-safe version. When Suhaib compiles a thread-safe version all the window managers crash. Suhaib _never_ said that the released binaries are threadsafe. - Robert, Thank you very much for clarifying this. I must have gotten this wrong. So I know where I'm at now. Andreas From a.eibach@gmx.net Sat May 5 05:40:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 05:40:00 -0000 Subject: Current state of pthread implementation? Message-ID: <009601c0d560$8f295040$6a1307d5@andreas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:58 PM Subject: RE: Current state of pthread implementation? > I would not classify XFree86 under Cygwin as pthread safe > yet. Thanks for the info, this is what I wanted to know. I'm excitingly following the "pthread" discussion, it's become a big thread besides. So the interest is huge - that's what it's supposed to be. :) Andreas From kmuthu@hotmail.com Sat May 5 06:51:00 2001 From: kmuthu@hotmail.com (Muthukumar G) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 06:51:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 on win95/98 Message-ID: Hi, Here is some information on the behaviour of cygwin/xfree86 on win95 as well as on win98. What I find is somewhat interesting: Some features, which don't work on win95, work fine on win98 and vice versa. On Win95: ======== - works fine in window mode - does not work when running with -query option (as reported earlier, gives the following: Fatal server error: XDMCP fatal error: Session declined No valid address) On Win98: ======== - works fine while running with -query option - does not work in window mode - could not get it working for the first time (XWin.exe.stackdump error); started working after I added -fullscreen option as suggested by Nick Holgate. Server test 22 too has this problem. Obviously, it will be good to have the features correctly working on both win95/98 :-). Do these things have anything to do with the OS since I used the same cygwin/xfree86 packages on both win95/98? In case it helps: On win95: the display adapter is ATI 264-VT3 (DirectDraw). On win98, it is SiS 620. Thanks, Muthu _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sat May 5 06:56:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 06:56:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 on win95/98 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36FC@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> did you use -from -query ? On WIn98 what resolution are you using? Can you post? i.e. -screen 1024x687x32 for example... Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Muthukumar G To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com Sent: 5/5/2001 9:51 AM Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 on win95/98 Hi, Here is some information on the behaviour of cygwin/xfree86 on win95 as well as on win98. What I find is somewhat interesting: Some features, which don't work on win95, work fine on win98 and vice versa. On Win95: ======== - works fine in window mode - does not work when running with -query option (as reported earlier, gives the following: Fatal server error: XDMCP fatal error: Session declined No valid address) On Win98: ======== - works fine while running with -query option - does not work in window mode - could not get it working for the first time (XWin.exe.stackdump error); started working after I added -fullscreen option as suggested by Nick Holgate. Server test 22 too has this problem. Obviously, it will be good to have the features correctly working on both win95/98 :-). Do these things have anything to do with the OS since I used the same cygwin/xfree86 packages on both win95/98? In case it helps: On win95: the display adapter is ATI 264-VT3 (DirectDraw). On win98, it is SiS 620. Thanks, Muthu ________________________________________________________________________ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . From kmuthu@hotmail.com Sat May 5 07:11:00 2001 From: kmuthu@hotmail.com (Muthukumar G) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 07:11:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 on win95/98 Message-ID: Hi, That was real quick :-) 1. Yes, I did use -from & -query 2. On Win98 (working one): Xwin -ac -screen 0 1024x768x16 -fullscreen -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 (I am yet to get this mail from the mailing list; I got this from the archive) Thanks, Muthu Suhaib's reply to my post: -------------------------- did you use -from -query ? On WIn98 what resolution are you using? Can you post? i.e. -screen 1024x687x32 for example... Suhaib -------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sat May 5 07:54:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 07:54:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36FD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> _XLIBINT_ and NeedLibInsideFlag did not help. However I can compile win32-x11 with pthread from ( http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 and pthread from win32 from sourceware), and no crashes ;-) I would consider it the pthread issue with Cygwin. Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Alan Hourihane To: Robert Collins Cc: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Sent: 5/4/2001 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread O.k. I now know what's happening... In the X11-def.cpp we have the following definitions... _Xdebug_p=_Xdebug CONSTANT _XCreateMutex_fn_p=_XCreateMutex_fn CONSTANT _XFreeMutex_fn_p=_XFreeMutex_fn CONSTANT _XLockMutex_fn_p=_XLockMutex_fn CONSTANT _XUnlockMutex_fn_p=_XUnlockMutex_fn CONSTANT _Xglobal_lock_p=_Xglobal_lock CONSTANT The _Xdebug and _Xglobal_lock definitions are global variables. Whereas the others are functions. What's happening is that in libXext it eventually ends up calling the _XLockMutex(_Xglobal_lock) function. Then, when threads are not used, which is normal in twm's case as it never creates any threads - It should just do nothing. But what happens now is that _Xglobal_lock is used as a check to see if threads are enabled. If this returns a non-NULL value it assumes that threads are used. Bang! _Xglobal_lock 's value is basically being defined as it's pointer in memory space. Therefore this is where this 0xd1x.... value comes from. It's not the actual value of _Xglobal_lock. I'm not a DLL building expert, but we need to fix the pointer/value mismatch. Whether this can be done with fixing the X11-def.cpp I don't know. There are some comments in Xlibint.h about defining _XLIBINT_ through the use of the NeedLibInsideFlag (in cygwin.rules). Whether this can help is another route. I need a DLL guru. Alan. From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sat May 5 08:38:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 08:38:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36FD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <003101c0d579$0c092960$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: "'Alan Hourihane '" ; "'Robert Collins '" Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 12:54 AM Subject: RE: [PATCH] Re: pthread > _XLIBINT_ and NeedLibInsideFlag did not help. > However I can compile win32-x11 with pthread from > ( http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 and pthread from win32 from > sourceware), and no crashes ;-) Can you compile Xfree86 with the source win32 pthreads? fork() may break, but if that works, you could tell me whats wrong with my code and I'll write to your spec to fix it. (ahh the beauty of clean room r/e). > I would consider it the pthread issue with Cygwin. This isn't a valid comparison. a) win32-x11 is a different server. b) I think the problem is a variable-in-library problem from what Alan has described. Having said that it _may_ be a pthread source fault. It's new code, not stable and has known incompleteness, races and bugs. But we can't import code without a copyright assignment to redhat, so.... read on.. more below. > Suhaib > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Hourihane > To: Robert Collins > Cc: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Sent: 5/4/2001 12:06 PM > Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread > > O.k. I now know what's happening... > > In the X11-def.cpp we have the following definitions... > > _Xdebug_p=_Xdebug CONSTANT > _XCreateMutex_fn_p=_XCreateMutex_fn CONSTANT > _XFreeMutex_fn_p=_XFreeMutex_fn CONSTANT > _XLockMutex_fn_p=_XLockMutex_fn CONSTANT > _XUnlockMutex_fn_p=_XUnlockMutex_fn CONSTANT > _Xglobal_lock_p=_Xglobal_lock CONSTANT > > The _Xdebug and _Xglobal_lock definitions are global variables. Whereas > the others are functions. > > What's happening is that in libXext it eventually ends up calling the > _XLockMutex(_Xglobal_lock) function. Then, when threads are not used, > which > is normal in twm's case as it never creates any threads - It should just > do > nothing. > > But what happens now is that _Xglobal_lock is used as a check to see > if threads are enabled. If this returns a non-NULL value it assumes that > threads are used. Bang! > > _Xglobal_lock 's value is basically being defined as it's pointer in > memory > space. Therefore this is where this 0xd1x.... value comes from. It's not > the actual value of _Xglobal_lock. huh? a mutex in cygwin is essentially a pointer. (We aren't the OS, so we can't just index into a table of system wide mutex's). if _Xglobal_lock is an initialised mutex, it is really a pointer into memory allocated by the cygwin dll. That shouldn't be a problem per se. Are you expecting _Xglobal_lock to be NULL _before_ it's initialised? One thing to note is that shared mem mutexs aren't supported as yet (interactions with condition variables and some nasty race conditions). They will be and I've test code here that works but its fugly. I need to make it clean before I consider submitting a patch. > I'm not a DLL building expert, but we need to fix the pointer/value > mismatch. > Whether this can be done with fixing the X11-def.cpp I don't know. There > are some comments in Xlibint.h about defining _XLIBINT_ through the use > of the NeedLibInsideFlag (in cygwin.rules). Whether this can help is > another > route. > > I need a DLL guru. I'm happy to contribute my limited dll expertise... but I'm still not quite clear on the problem. You've got two symbols, Xglobal_lock_p and Xglobal_lock. Functions (? inside/outside) the library are seeing the two symbols as having identical values, not as a) a pointer to the second symbol, and b) NULL/a lock count/?? Rob > Alan. > From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Sat May 5 10:37:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 10:37:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36FD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <003101c0d579$0c092960$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010505183746.A25235@valinux.com> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:35:41AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > if _Xglobal_lock is an initialised mutex, it is really a pointer into > memory allocated by the cygwin dll. That shouldn't be a problem per se. > Are you expecting _Xglobal_lock to be NULL _before_ it's initialised? > _Xglobal_lock is defined as NULL _before_ it's initialized - Yes. > One thing to note is that shared mem mutexs aren't supported as yet > (interactions with condition variables and some nasty race conditions). > They will be and I've test code here that works but its fugly. I need to > make it clean before I consider submitting a patch. > Mmmm. > I'm happy to contribute my limited dll expertise... but I'm still not > quite clear on the problem. You've got two symbols, Xglobal_lock_p and > Xglobal_lock. Functions (? inside/outside) the library are seeing the > two symbols as having identical values, not as a) a pointer to the > second symbol, and b) NULL/a lock count/?? > _Xglobal_lock_p is the pointer to _Xglobal_lock. _Xglobal_lock is defined as NULL _before_ any threads are created. It seems the DLL is creating the reference to _Xglobal_lock as _Xglobal_lock_p and therefore when libXext tries to find the value of _Xglobal_lock it really gets it's pointer reference rather than it's actual value. I don't know how the dllwrap tools handles the _p = fudging in the .def file. And I don't think it's a pthread issue at all. We're not even creating any threads (twm doesn't create any threads). Alan. From flognat@flognat.myip.org Sat May 5 10:52:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 10:52:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 on win95/98 References: Message-ID: Hmm could it be a potential problem with number of colors, did Xwin if I recall right, xwin had problems with 24 bit colors, 16 and 32 worked fine... /Andy / "Muthukumar G" wrote: | Hi, | | That was real quick :-) | | 1. Yes, I did use -from & -query | | 2. On Win98 (working one): | Xwin -ac -screen 0 1024x768x16 -fullscreen -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel | 0 -engine 4 | | (I am yet to get this mail from the mailing list; I got this from the | archive) | | Thanks, | Muthu | | Suhaib's reply to my post: | -------------------------- | did you use -from -query ? | | On WIn98 what resolution are you using? Can you post? i.e. -screen | 1024x687x32 for example... | | Suhaib | -------------------------- | | _________________________________________________________________________ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sat May 5 11:26:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:26:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36FE@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> >_Xglobal_lock_p This is fixed in my version of dll. It still crashed. Therefore I am not sure it is a DLL issue and i agree (so far) with Robs comments. I am compiling now pthread-win32 from sources.redhat.com Let's see what happen next. Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Alan Hourihane To: Robert Collins Cc: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Sent: 5/5/2001 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread It seems the DLL is creating the reference to _Xglobal_lock as _Xglobal_lock_p and therefore when libXext tries to find the value of _Xglobal_lock it really gets it's pointer reference rather than it's actual value. I don't know how the dllwrap tools handles the _p = fudging in the .def file. And I don't think it's a pthread issue at all. We're not even creating any threads (twm doesn't create any threads). Alan. From RJBrende@uop.com Sat May 5 12:14:00 2001 From: RJBrende@uop.com (Brendel, Rob) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 12:14:00 -0000 Subject: my chances for success? Message-ID: <09A078107652D211A83700805F575E0509BBC40C@dplmail6.internal.uop.com> Hi list - I'd like to know how much expertise is necessary to get XFree-86 running on my WinNT laptop -- I'm afraid I'm too ignorant. I've dabbled in Linux -- had it dual-booted on my home PC with NT -- and liked what I saw. But I no longer have that machine, and now use a work-supplied laptop; and company policy won't let me put Linux on it. I can put freeware on, but not another OS. Under Linux I liked the multiple virtual desktops and the mouse behavior -- just kept fvwm. Also, I got to like the nedit editor and LyX, the LaTeX front-end. So if I could get all that going on my laptop, I'd be very happy. So I installed Cygwin OK, I think, and the other day took a shot at putting XFree on. Got some connection errors that I don't remember now, hit the archives and saw posts with similar problems, but I have to admit I didn't understand the responses. So I'm beginning to wonder if setting this up requires more expertise than I've got. I've mostly seen Windows, and mostly NT. I was able to install binary packages in Linux but never even tried compiling anything. Any comments on my chances -- should I just sit tight in WinNT and wait for better days? Thanks much, Rob From flognat@flognat.myip.org Sat May 5 12:30:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 12:30:00 -0000 Subject: my chances for success? References: <09A078107652D211A83700805F575E0509BBC40C@dplmail6.internal.uop.com> Message-ID: Throw a browser at litestep, http://www.litestep.net/ Gives you some Unix-X feeling on your normal windows desktop. OTOH I don't think you need expert knowledge, but a little knowledge about scripts, unix shells, what X is and so on, reading the mailinglist archives, and what the launch of the app says... /Andy From ets99lis@student.bth.se Sun May 6 02:44:00 2001 From: ets99lis@student.bth.se (Lennart Isaksson) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 02:44:00 -0000 Subject: 1.3.1:Startxwin problems and questions about XServers Message-ID: <3AF51E20.BA9B8F50@student.hk-r.se> Hi, I????m using cygwin with DLL 1.3.1. The problems I have got hold of are: 1. Startxwin.exe is trying to create a second window after the bash-window but it doesn????t succeed. 2. Startxwin is starting twm, how do I start different Xservers. If I like KDE, do I download all source files and compile it with the gcc or what? I like to have some help here if possible. regards Lennart Isaksson From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun May 6 04:20:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 04:20:00 -0000 Subject: 1.3.1:Startxwin problems and questions about XServers Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3700@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Which version of Windows? Edit startxwin.bat and REM the TWM command, then put your command for another windows manager. For KDE from remote server use xdmcp Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Lennart Isaksson To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Sent: 5/6/2001 5:49 AM Subject: 1.3.1:Startxwin problems and questions about XServers Hi, I'm using cygwin with DLL 1.3.1. The problems I have got hold of are: 1. Startxwin.exe is trying to create a second window after the bash-window but it doesn't succeed. 2. Startxwin is starting twm, how do I start different Xservers. If I like KDE, do I download all source files and compile it with the gcc or what? I like to have some help here if possible. regards Lennart Isaksson From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sun May 6 05:38:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 05:38:00 -0000 Subject: website update Message-ID: <02ff01c0d629$1ede6b30$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> I've updated the main page and added Alan to the contributors list. I'm about to update the current supported levels. I've also written a small page at < http://xfree86.cygwin.com.writing.html > that describes the goals and methods I've used in developing the site so far. It's not linked into any of the other webpages (I wasn't sure if it should be) but I figured you folk should know how I'm handling the web site... and why. I'd like to encourage you developers to create content to document your efforts (rather than having developers+1 independent websites floating around). However I do not have the time, inclincation or desire to preview _every_ page before it goes up. I do wish to see the site stay fairly consistent and easily navigated though. I'm happy to write up some guidelines, and provide post-upload editing /review of pages. I have some thoughts on this - please jump in and discuss this. It affects us all. A fairly easy approach would be to declare the website open-season, and change what you will, but I'm not comfortable doing that until we've _all agreed_ on the content, layout and presentation needed, and on the remedial actions needed if a page fails one or more criteria. For now I propose the following: * Suhaib and I have veto over all website changes. * Various "sections" (ie harolds user guide) are allocated to a team (could be one person) who may commit to their hearts content. If some issue appears, the community can discuss it post-change. * Changes desired by anyone outside an area they are responsible for are submitted as patches to me, and I'll apply asap, unless there are presentation or content issues. (In which case those issues will be immediately aired). * I will work to develop a set of criteria for the website that all of us agree to. These criteria will be in four categories: * technical (ie HTML 3 or 4? CSS 1 or 2? etc) * Stylistic (number of fonts/general writing styles etc) * content (clarity of expression, acurracy etc) * change control and remedial action. When we are all agreed on the website criteria I suggest we adopt the following mechanisms: * Anyone with CVS access may change any web page as long as they follow the agreed on change control process and page criteria. * Anyone nominated to edit the web site can as well (as longs as they .."" "" "" ""). * We follow the agree on remedial action for pages with problems. The goal being to keep the pages up to date with a minimum of confusion and without making a single editor a bottleneck. (If there are two editors, then the editors need agreed on styles and we're back to my suggestion at leastin part). Suhaib has suggested a owner based solution, but I don't believe that will last for the long term. The reasons being that a) you may well end up with each owner having a very different style, and b) things may well bottleneck across "owners". Thus my little essay here. Rob From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun May 6 05:48:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 05:48:00 -0000 Subject: website update Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3701@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Rob, I agree with all of your suggestions. By the way, no question mark after Alan. He is a core developer from XF86. Can you remove it, please. Thanks Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Robert Collins To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Sent: 5/6/2001 8:36 AM Subject: website update I've updated the main page and added Alan to the contributors list. I'm about to update the current supported levels. I've also written a small page at < http://xfree86.cygwin.com.writing.html > that describes the goals and methods I've used in developing the site so far. It's not linked into any of the other webpages (I wasn't sure if it should be) but I figured you folk should know how I'm handling the web site... and why. I'd like to encourage you developers to create content to document your efforts (rather than having developers+1 independent websites floating around). However I do not have the time, inclincation or desire to preview _every_ page before it goes up. I do wish to see the site stay fairly consistent and easily navigated though. I'm happy to write up some guidelines, and provide post-upload editing /review of pages. I have some thoughts on this - please jump in and discuss this. It affects us all. A fairly easy approach would be to declare the website open-season, and change what you will, but I'm not comfortable doing that until we've _all agreed_ on the content, layout and presentation needed, and on the remedial actions needed if a page fails one or more criteria. For now I propose the following: * Suhaib and I have veto over all website changes. * Various "sections" (ie harolds user guide) are allocated to a team (could be one person) who may commit to their hearts content. If some issue appears, the community can discuss it post-change. * Changes desired by anyone outside an area they are responsible for are submitted as patches to me, and I'll apply asap, unless there are presentation or content issues. (In which case those issues will be immediately aired). * I will work to develop a set of criteria for the website that all of us agree to. These criteria will be in four categories: * technical (ie HTML 3 or 4? CSS 1 or 2? etc) * Stylistic (number of fonts/general writing styles etc) * content (clarity of expression, acurracy etc) * change control and remedial action. When we are all agreed on the website criteria I suggest we adopt the following mechanisms: * Anyone with CVS access may change any web page as long as they follow the agreed on change control process and page criteria. * Anyone nominated to edit the web site can as well (as longs as they .."" "" "" ""). * We follow the agree on remedial action for pages with problems. The goal being to keep the pages up to date with a minimum of confusion and without making a single editor a bottleneck. (If there are two editors, then the editors need agreed on styles and we're back to my suggestion at leastin part). Suhaib has suggested a owner based solution, but I don't believe that will last for the long term. The reasons being that a) you may well end up with each owner having a very different style, and b) things may well bottleneck across "owners". Thus my little essay here. Rob From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sun May 6 05:56:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 05:56:00 -0000 Subject: website update References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3701@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <030701c0d62b$93ac1500$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: "'Robert Collins '" ; Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 10:48 PM Subject: RE: website update > Rob, > > I agree with all of your suggestions. > > By the way, no question mark after Alan. He is a core developer from XF86. > Can you remove it, please. Done. > Thanks > Suhaib > From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Sun May 6 06:07:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 06:07:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36FD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <003101c0d579$0c092960$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010506140800.C1441@valinux.com> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:35:41AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > _XLIBINT_ and NeedLibInsideFlag did not help. > > However I can compile win32-x11 with pthread from > > ( http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 and pthread from win32 from > > sourceware), and no crashes ;-) > > Can you compile Xfree86 with the source win32 pthreads? fork() may > break, but if that works, you could tell me whats wrong with my code and > I'll write to your spec to fix it. (ahh the beauty of clean room r/e). > I've been bashing on this all day and I'll give a better update later. But to put you out of your misery on the win32 pthreads - it still happens with this. Alan. From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sun May 6 06:15:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 06:15:00 -0000 Subject: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36FD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <003101c0d579$0c092960$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010506140800.C1441@valinux.com> Message-ID: <031f01c0d62e$3dcd7a90$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Hourihane" To: "Robert Collins" Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread > On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:35:41AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > > _XLIBINT_ and NeedLibInsideFlag did not help. > > > However I can compile win32-x11 with pthread from > > > ( http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 and pthread from win32 from > > > sourceware), and no crashes ;-) > > > > Can you compile Xfree86 with the source win32 pthreads? fork() may > > break, but if that works, you could tell me whats wrong with my code and > > I'll write to your spec to fix it. (ahh the beauty of clean room r/e). > > > I've been bashing on this all day and I'll give a better update later. Coool.. well I'm heading to sleep land shortly :]. > But to put you out of your misery on the win32 pthreads - it still happens > with this. Whew. (I was reassured when you indicated that the problem was var_p == var instead of var_p == &var.) You might want to look at the cygwin-dev and cygwin list archives. Just search for dll and data|variable|export. I suspect this problem has been solved many times before. Rob > Alan. > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun May 6 06:36:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 06:36:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: pthread Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3702@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Ummm... I gave up on this yesterday night ;-) There were a bunch of namespace conflicts when i used pthread-win32 headers with Cygwin. Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Alan Hourihane To: Robert Collins Cc: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Sent: 5/6/2001 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:35:41AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > _XLIBINT_ and NeedLibInsideFlag did not help. > > However I can compile win32-x11 with pthread from > > ( http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 and pthread from win32 from > > sourceware), and no crashes ;-) > > Can you compile Xfree86 with the source win32 pthreads? fork() may > break, but if that works, you could tell me whats wrong with my code and > I'll write to your spec to fix it. (ahh the beauty of clean room r/e). > I've been bashing on this all day and I'll give a better update later. But to put you out of your misery on the win32 pthreads - it still happens with this. Alan. From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Sun May 6 08:27:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 08:27:00 -0000 Subject: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36FD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <003101c0d579$0c092960$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010506140800.C1441@valinux.com> <031f01c0d62e$3dcd7a90$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010506162706.A8990@valinux.com> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:12:16PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:35:41AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > _XLIBINT_ and NeedLibInsideFlag did not help. > > > > However I can compile win32-x11 with pthread from > > > > ( http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 and pthread from win32 from > > > > sourceware), and no crashes ;-) > > > > > > Can you compile Xfree86 with the source win32 pthreads? fork() may > > > break, but if that works, you could tell me whats wrong with my code > and > > > I'll write to your spec to fix it. (ahh the beauty of clean room > r/e). > > > > > I've been bashing on this all day and I'll give a better update later. > > Coool.. well I'm heading to sleep land shortly :]. > > > But to put you out of your misery on the win32 pthreads - it still > happens > > with this. > > Whew. (I was reassured when you indicated that the problem was > var_p == var instead of > var_p == &var.) > > You might want to look at the cygwin-dev and cygwin list archives. Just > search for dll and data|variable|export. I suspect this problem has been > solved many times before. > It's o.k. I've fixed it now....Finally understood how DLL's and function pointers are handled in a cross DLL situation. Part of the problem is here.... Can anyone here tell me if there's a better solution than using __declspec(dllimport) void func(); Can't I do something like this at the linker level ? As otherwise I'll need to fixup the function pointers in quite a few places for the mutex's. Ugh. If not, I'll post to cygwin-devel in a day or so. Oh, twm.exe is working now. Obviously it doesn't create any threads though. I've got an OpenGL thread program which crashes in another function pointer place. I'll eventually test this and fix it's mutex too, but it'd be good to get a better solution than what I've currently got. Alan. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun May 6 08:39:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 08:39:00 -0000 Subject: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3703@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Best place would be to ask cygwin-develpers or cygwin list. I do not think you can do at the linker level. It needs to be in the code. Suhaib -----Original Message----- From: Alan Hourihane To: Robert Collins Cc: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com Sent: 5/6/2001 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:12:16PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:35:41AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > _XLIBINT_ and NeedLibInsideFlag did not help. > > > > However I can compile win32-x11 with pthread from > > > > ( http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 and pthread from win32 from > > > > sourceware), and no crashes ;-) > > > > > > Can you compile Xfree86 with the source win32 pthreads? fork() may > > > break, but if that works, you could tell me whats wrong with my code > and > > > I'll write to your spec to fix it. (ahh the beauty of clean room > r/e). > > > > > I've been bashing on this all day and I'll give a better update later. > > Coool.. well I'm heading to sleep land shortly :]. > > > But to put you out of your misery on the win32 pthreads - it still > happens > > with this. > > Whew. (I was reassured when you indicated that the problem was > var_p == var instead of > var_p == &var.) > > You might want to look at the cygwin-dev and cygwin list archives. Just > search for dll and data|variable|export. I suspect this problem has been > solved many times before. > It's o.k. I've fixed it now....Finally understood how DLL's and function pointers are handled in a cross DLL situation. Part of the problem is here.... Can anyone here tell me if there's a better solution than using __declspec(dllimport) void func(); Can't I do something like this at the linker level ? As otherwise I'll need to fixup the function pointers in quite a few places for the mutex's. Ugh. If not, I'll post to cygwin-devel in a day or so. Oh, twm.exe is working now. Obviously it doesn't create any threads though. I've got an OpenGL thread program which crashes in another function pointer place. I'll eventually test this and fix it's mutex too, but it'd be good to get a better solution than what I've currently got. Alan. From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Sun May 6 08:51:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 08:51:00 -0000 Subject: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3703@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010506165126.B8990@valinux.com> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:39:20AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > Best place would be to ask cygwin-develpers or cygwin list. > I do not think you can do at the linker level. It needs to > be in the code. > Let's hope Chris monitors the message so I don't have to bug on that list. Alan. From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Sun May 6 08:56:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 08:56:00 -0000 Subject: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36FD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <003101c0d579$0c092960$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010506140800.C1441@valinux.com> <031f01c0d62e$3dcd7a90$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010506162706.A8990@valinux.com> Message-ID: <20010506165619.C8990@valinux.com> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 04:27:06PM +0100, Alan Hourihane wrote: > I've got an OpenGL thread program which crashes in another function pointer > place. I'll eventually test this and fix it's mutex too, but it'd be good > to get a better solution than what I've currently got. > In fact, I've just found that xc/programs/ico has a multithreaded option. It fires up no problems with -threads 1. So I know the function pointers are now working. But, sadly when starting two threads there are problems. This is more likely to be with the pthread support though. It's looking like the first thread is grabbing events from the second. Possibly some race condition. Although it's complete speculation at the moment, just the way it looks on screen. It does eventually crash due to the other thread grabbing one of the others event. Rob - If you start 'ico -threads 2' you'll have a good test case for when I've cleaned up the mutex's. Alan. From cgf@redhat.com Sun May 6 13:31:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 13:31:00 -0000 Subject: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3703@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010506163012.C7700@redhat.com> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:39:20AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > Best place would be to ask cygwin-develpers or cygwin list. >I do not think you can do at the linker level. It needs to >be in the code. Use the cygwin or cygwin-apps lists, please. This has nothing to do with the cygwin DLL, which is what cygwin-developers is all about. cgf >-----Original Message----- >From: Alan Hourihane >To: Robert Collins >Cc: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com >Sent: 5/6/2001 11:27 AM >Subject: Re: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). > >On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:12:16PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> > On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:35:41AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> > > > _XLIBINT_ and NeedLibInsideFlag did not help. >> > > > However I can compile win32-x11 with pthread from >> > > > ( http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 and pthread from win32 from >> > > > sourceware), and no crashes ;-) >> > > >> > > Can you compile Xfree86 with the source win32 pthreads? fork() may >> > > break, but if that works, you could tell me whats wrong with my >code >> and >> > > I'll write to your spec to fix it. (ahh the beauty of clean room >> r/e). >> > > >> > I've been bashing on this all day and I'll give a better update >later. >> >> Coool.. well I'm heading to sleep land shortly :]. >> >> > But to put you out of your misery on the win32 pthreads - it still >> happens >> > with this. >> >> Whew. (I was reassured when you indicated that the problem was >> var_p == var instead of >> var_p == &var.) >> >> You might want to look at the cygwin-dev and cygwin list archives. >Just >> search for dll and data|variable|export. I suspect this problem has >been >> solved many times before. >> >It's o.k. I've fixed it now....Finally understood how DLL's and function >pointers are handled in a cross DLL situation. Part of the problem is >here.... > >Can anyone here tell me if there's a better solution than using > >__declspec(dllimport) void func(); > >Can't I do something like this at the linker level ? As otherwise I'll >need to fixup the function pointers in quite a few places for the >mutex's. >Ugh. > >If not, I'll post to cygwin-devel in a day or so. > >Oh, twm.exe is working now. Obviously it doesn't create any threads >though. > >I've got an OpenGL thread program which crashes in another function >pointer >place. I'll eventually test this and fix it's mutex too, but it'd be >good >to get a better solution than what I've currently got. > >Alan. -- cgf@cygnus.com Red Hat, Inc. http://sources.redhat.com/ http://www.redhat.com/ From cgf@redhat.com Sun May 6 13:32:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 13:32:00 -0000 Subject: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3703@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <20010506165126.B8990@valinux.com> Message-ID: <20010506163037.D7700@redhat.com> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 04:51:26PM +0100, Alan Hourihane wrote: >On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:39:20AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >> Best place would be to ask cygwin-develpers or cygwin list. >> I do not think you can do at the linker level. It needs to >> be in the code. >> >Let's hope Chris monitors the message so I don't have to bug on that >list. I can't offer much insight on DLL issues. Sorry. cgf From a.eibach@gmx.net Sun May 6 14:26:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 14:26:00 -0000 Subject: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus Message-ID: <00a301c0d673$3e1c5080$901307d5@andreas> Hi, after Brian Kasper's great trick with just invoking the linker manually (because of the problem that -Xt is linked twice), I eventually managed to compile nedit using the LessTif libraries. But I can't read no menus because the fonts are a mess. Looking back to the middle of April, I see Enoch having the same problem. This doesn't seem to be solved yet. I wish I hadn't deleted my old XFree binaries for I would've been able to make it work there (perhaps). Here's a screenshot in case you insist to see how beautifully it looks ;-P http://www.andy2001.f2s.com/files/cygwin_nedit.png Well I hope someone does at least have a small clue where I have to "tweak" here. My fonts are there - however, the reason could be that I must use mkfontdir first. But HOW do I use it? There's no manual page, neither a --help or -h option. Hmmmm. Andreas From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun May 6 14:33:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 14:33:00 -0000 Subject: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3704@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Which fonts do you have installed? -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Eibach To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Sent: 5/6/2001 5:25 PM Subject: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus Hi, after Brian Kasper's great trick with just invoking the linker manually (because of the problem that -Xt is linked twice), I eventually managed to compile nedit using the LessTif libraries. But I can't read no menus because the fonts are a mess. Looking back to the middle of April, I see Enoch having the same problem. This doesn't seem to be solved yet. I wish I hadn't deleted my old XFree binaries for I would've been able to make it work there (perhaps). Here's a screenshot in case you insist to see how beautifully it looks ;-P http://www.andy2001.f2s.com/files/cygwin_nedit.png Well I hope someone does at least have a small clue where I have to "tweak" here. My fonts are there - however, the reason could be that I must use mkfontdir first. But HOW do I use it? There's no manual page, neither a --help or -h option. Hmmmm. Andreas From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sun May 6 14:54:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 14:54:00 -0000 Subject: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3703@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <005001c0d676$b414a230$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> I think the comments about libtool and KDE in this list a ew days back are relevant - isn't there a custom patch for ld to "do the right thing" Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: "'Alan Hourihane '" ; "'Robert Collins '" Cc: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 1:39 AM Subject: RE: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). > Best place would be to ask cygwin-develpers or cygwin list. > I do not think you can do at the linker level. It needs to > be in the code. > > Suhaib From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sun May 6 14:55:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 14:55:00 -0000 Subject: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C36FD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <003101c0d579$0c092960$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010506140800.C1441@valinux.com> <031f01c0d62e$3dcd7a90$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010506162706.A8990@valinux.com> <20010506165619.C8990@valinux.com> Message-ID: <005301c0d676$f3eceed0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Hourihane" To: "Robert Collins" Cc: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 1:56 AM Subject: Re: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). > On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 04:27:06PM +0100, Alan Hourihane wrote: > > I've got an OpenGL thread program which crashes in another function pointer > > place. I'll eventually test this and fix it's mutex too, but it'd be good > > to get a better solution than what I've currently got. > > > In fact, > > I've just found that xc/programs/ico has a multithreaded option. > > It fires up no problems with -threads 1. So I know the function pointers > are now working. > > But, sadly when starting two threads there are problems. This is more likely > to be with the pthread support though. It's looking like the first thread > is grabbing events from the second. Possibly some race condition. Although it's > complete speculation at the moment, just the way it looks on screen. It does > eventually crash due to the other thread grabbing one of the others event. Is it all single-process threading? Are they mutex's or condition+mutex's in use? When you say event, I'm not sure what soirt of event - win32 event/X event... Rob > Rob - If you start 'ico -threads 2' you'll have a good test case for when > I've cleaned up the mutex's. Do I need to rebuild it? As mentioned I don't reall yhave 12 hours sitting around idle at the moment :[ > Alan. > From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Sun May 6 15:40:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 15:40:00 -0000 Subject: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3703@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <005001c0d676$b414a230$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010506234027.A1094@valinux.com> On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 07:51:04AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > I think the comments about libtool and KDE in this list a ew days back > are relevant - isn't there a custom patch for ld to "do the right thing" > Quite right Rob. I've just gone back to them emails and it sounds exactly what I need. Ralf mentioned Chris is looking at the auto-import-patch for the future. Chris - Anything forthcoming in a future binutils ? Alan. From cgf@redhat.com Sun May 6 15:51:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 15:51:00 -0000 Subject: Alan needs a DLL guru (was Re: [PATCH] Re: pthread). References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3703@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <005001c0d676$b414a230$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010506234027.A1094@valinux.com> Message-ID: <20010506184922.B16375@redhat.com> On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:40:28PM +0100, Alan Hourihane wrote: >On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 07:51:04AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> I think the comments about libtool and KDE in this list a ew days back >> are relevant - isn't there a custom patch for ld to "do the right thing" >> >Quite right Rob. > >I've just gone back to them emails and it sounds exactly what I need. > >Ralf mentioned Chris is looking at the auto-import-patch for the future. > >Chris - Anything forthcoming in a future binutils ? Paul Sokolovsky (paul-ml@is.lg.ua) has posted an unreviewed patch which improves ld's auto-export capabilities and has mentioned something about an auto-import. If the patch is accepted (basically by DJ), then I'll create a new binutils release. If the auto-import is what I remember then I don't think I like it. I could be wrong, but I think itt causes ld to parse header files to find the information for importing. I don't like that. Of course, maybe I'm just misintrepeting or misremembering. cgf From ewu@eskimo.com Sun May 6 16:30:00 2001 From: ewu@eskimo.com (Enoch Wu) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 16:30:00 -0000 Subject: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus References: <00a301c0d673$3e1c5080$901307d5@andreas> Message-ID: <20010506164557.A3934605@MELON> Hi, On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:25:36PM +0200, Andreas Eibach wrote: > Hi, > > after Brian Kasper's great trick with just invoking the linker manually > (because of the problem that -Xt is linked twice), I eventually managed to > compile nedit using the LessTif libraries. > > But I can't read no menus because the fonts are a mess. Looking back to the > middle of April, I see Enoch having the same problem. This doesn't seem to > be solved yet. Well, I should have had a follow up posting. Here it goes: The problem was resolved by installing the fonts from the split up font files (I think Sidiqqi did more than just splitting the files, like mkfontdir & others) Anyhow if you install fonts like he said, you will see the menu. > My fonts are there - however, the reason could be that I must use mkfontdir > first. But HOW do I use it? There's no manual page, neither a --help or -h > option. Hmmmm. > > Andreas cd to the directory where each font type is; save the alias files; mkfontdir . You may have to edit the fixed fonts -- not easy if you have not done it before, EW > > > > > > From huntharo@msu.edu Mon May 7 00:33:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 00:33:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 Message-ID: <001301c0d6c7$9b069630$1fab0a23@huntharo> I just posted Test 23 to my usual announcement page: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/ Server binary, direct link: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/XWin-Test23.exe.bz2 hw/xwin source, direct link: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/xwin-20010507-0309.tar.bz2 Changes: 1) Added 3 button mouse emulation support. (me, Alexander Gottwald) 2) Removed extraneous text following an #endif from winshadgdi.c (me) 3) Pulled mouse button handling out of winwndproc.c, deposited said code into winmouse.c. On Windows NT/2000 the 3 button emulation timeout can be adjusted in increments of 10 milliseconds; on Windows 95/98/Me the 3 button emulation timeout can be adjusted in increments of roughly 55 milliseconds. This limitation in timout resolution is due to using Win32 User timers; perhaps a different sort of Win32 timer will be used in the future if users find the current timout resolution inadequate. Use '-emulate3buttons' to enable 3 button mouse emulation; you may also use '-emulate3buttons timeout_in_milliseconds' to specify the maximum time allowed between the pressing of each button; the default timeout is 50 milliseconds. Harold From darko.palic@gmx.de Mon May 7 01:53:00 2001 From: darko.palic@gmx.de (Palic, Darko) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 01:53:00 -0000 Subject: Some suggestions and one question Message-ID: <004d01c0d6d3$57b3d260$0a01a8c0@earth> Hello, first of all I????m really impressed of the current XFree state! I????m running W2K engl. SP1 Alex emu3-test2 X release But I have some suggestions to the current development: 1. the windows mouse cursor should disappear in the X-Window, so the X cursor should only be visible It should work with ShowCursor(FALSE). 2. the windows keys should be disabled or be mapped to something helpfull, like opening the KDE start menu or something else. If you have a running xterm and you type windows-tab the xterm starts to scroll the command history with no end. If you press only the windows key the windows startmenu opens, and if you press it again the bash history shows the last command 3. the third mouse button support for X is missing and it would be very helpful, even if the emulate3 support of Alex is runnig fine I hope I could show up some small bugs or problems regards, Darko From darko.palic@gmx.de Mon May 7 01:58:00 2001 From: darko.palic@gmx.de (Palic, Darko) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 01:58:00 -0000 Subject: Some suggestions and one question Message-ID: <004e01c0d6d4$0c5064e0$0a01a8c0@earth> how could I setup cygwin to startup my startxwin.bat or maybe only to cd into the /usr/X11R6/bin directory? regards, Darko From darko.palic@gmx.de Mon May 7 02:04:00 2001 From: darko.palic@gmx.de (Palic, Darko) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 02:04:00 -0000 Subject: Some suggestions and one question Message-ID: <004f01c0d6d4$e0571c70$0a01a8c0@earth> also forget my last posting for hiding the mouse button! I tested the TEST23 and it has no double mouse cursor like the previous versions! regards, Darko Palic From george.wakileh@vol.at Mon May 7 05:01:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 05:01:00 -0000 Subject: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting Message-ID: <01C0D6FE.DA3EA630@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hello, I am getting a few warnings as below. rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting xterm: Cannot allocate color yellow3 Warning: Color name "black" is not defined Warning: Color name "white" is not defined Not enough colormap entries available for basic colors - using monochrome mode. I have rgb.txt in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/ and it has 255 255 255 white 0 0 0 black 205 205 0 yellow3 etc Are there any other files having to deal with colours? If so, what are they and where are they located? Thanks very much in advance. Kind regards, George From george.wakileh@vol.at Mon May 7 05:01:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 05:01:00 -0000 Subject: Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset Message-ID: <01C0D6FE.DC219700@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hello, I am getting the warning "Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset", although I have all the fonts under /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 100dpi 75dpi CID PEX Type1 ttfonts encodings misc etc Is this something to worry about? Your feedback is appreciated. Thanks. George From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon May 7 05:03:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 05:03:00 -0000 Subject: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3707@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Are you sure you did not extract rgb.txt file with Winzip or another Windows zip software, instead of bzip2 and tar? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:04 AM > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > > Hello, > > I am getting a few warnings as below. > > rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > xterm: Cannot allocate color yellow3 > > Warning: Color name "black" is not defined > Warning: Color name "white" is not defined > Not enough colormap entries available for basic colors - > using monochrome mode. > > I have rgb.txt in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/ and it has > 255 255 255 white > 0 0 0 black > 205 205 0 yellow3 > etc > > Are there any other files having to deal with colours? If > so, what are they and where are they located? > > Thanks very much in advance. > > Kind regards, > > George > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon May 7 05:04:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 05:04:00 -0000 Subject: Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3708@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> If you are using Winzip etc, use only bzip2 and tar which comes with Cygwin. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:06 AM > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset > > > Hello, > > I am getting the warning "Warning: Unable to load any usable > fontset", although I have all the fonts under /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts > 100dpi > 75dpi > CID > PEX > Type1 > ttfonts > encodings > misc > etc > > Is this something to worry about? > > Your feedback is appreciated. > > Thanks. > > George > From rkarcher@frey.de Mon May 7 05:32:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 05:32:00 -0000 Subject: Connect-problems Test23 to VMS Message-ID: <20010507143055.A467@kar.berlin.frey.de> Hi, using XWin-Test23.exe, I can't connect to VMS anymore. I get the VMS-message: Timeout waiting for DECterm controller to start. XWin-Test22.exe connected flawlessly. Reinhard From kmuthu@hotmail.com Mon May 7 06:14:00 2001 From: kmuthu@hotmail.com (Muthukumar G) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 06:14:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 on win95/98 Message-ID: Thanks for the pointer. After this, I checked my win98 color settings. It was set to 8 bit color. I was getting stackdump when I tried to start XWin in 16 bit color (while win98 was in 8 bit color). When I corrected my win98 to 16 bit color, it started working fine in windowed mode. BTW, XDMCP error on win95 is still there. Thanks, Muthu >From: Andrew Markebo >To: "Muthukumar G" >CC: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com >Subject: Re: Cygwin/XFree86 on win95/98 >Date: 05 May 2001 19:52:26 +0200 > >Hmm could it be a potential problem with number of colors, did Xwin >if I recall right, xwin had problems with 24 bit colors, 16 and 32 >worked fine... > > /Andy > >/ "Muthukumar G" wrote: >| Hi, >| >| That was real quick :-) >| >| 1. Yes, I did use -from & -query >| >| 2. On Win98 (working one): >| Xwin -ac -screen 0 1024x768x16 -fullscreen -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel >| 0 -engine 4 >| >| (I am yet to get this mail from the mailing list; I got this from the >| archive) >| >| Thanks, >| Muthu >| >| Suhaib's reply to my post: >| -------------------------- >| did you use -from -query | remote host>? >| >| On WIn98 what resolution are you using? Can you post? i.e. -screen >| 1024x687x32 for example... >| >| Suhaib >| -------------------------- >| >| _________________________________________________________________________ >| Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . From magnum3065@hotmail.com Mon May 7 08:27:00 2001 From: magnum3065@hotmail.com (magnum3065) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:27:00 -0000 Subject: Changes in XFree86? Message-ID: I downloaded XFree86 a few days ago and installed it just fine, but I screwed some stuff up in cygwin and reinstalled it. I downloaded XFree86 again today and noticed that a few modifications were made on the list of files on the installation site, as well as some changes to the startxwin.bat file. I'm not sure what else was changed in XFree86, but now it won't work. When I run the bat file the program opens, but no xterms open up, and running startx from cygwin tells me that it's "giving up" and can't find the server. I'm confused about what was changed from the version I downloaded a few days ago, and I'm not sure how to fix it. From george.wakileh@vol.at Mon May 7 08:29:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:29:00 -0000 Subject: AltGr key. Message-ID: <01C0D71B.EB6BC010@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hello, After much struggle, I could now get things to work with xmodmap.de. So, things are fine with the German keyboard after starting the X-Server. However, in bash the AltGr key is still not recognised. That is, I cannot type ~ and | which one often needs. Is this the case with Alexander and others who have a German keyboard? If not, what is the solution? Thanks for your help. George From george.wakileh@vol.at Mon May 7 08:35:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:35:00 -0000 Subject: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting Message-ID: <01C0D71C.CB68C0F0@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hi Suhaib, I certainly used bzip2 and tar for all the xfree86 files, and did the unzipping from cygwin bash. I don't think that Winzip can handle bz2 files. George -----Original Message----- From: Suhaib Siddiqi [SMTP:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com] Sent: Monday, 07 May 2001 14:04 To: 'cygwin-xfree' Subject: RE: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting Are you sure you did not extract rgb.txt file with Winzip or another Windows zip software, instead of bzip2 and tar? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:04 AM > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > > Hello, > > I am getting a few warnings as below. > > rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > xterm: Cannot allocate color yellow3 > > Warning: Color name "black" is not defined > Warning: Color name "white" is not defined > Not enough colormap entries available for basic colors - > using monochrome mode. > > I have rgb.txt in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/ and it has > 255 255 255 white > 0 0 0 black > 205 205 0 yellow3 > etc > > Are there any other files having to deal with colours? If > so, what are they and where are they located? > > Thanks very much in advance. > > Kind regards, > > George > From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Mon May 7 10:07:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:07:00 -0000 Subject: AltGr key. References: <01C0D71B.EB6BC010@george.wakileh@vol.at> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 May 2001, George J. Wakileh wrote: > Hello, > > After much struggle, I could now get things to work with xmodmap.de. So, > things are fine with the German keyboard after starting the X-Server. > However, in bash the AltGr key is still not recognised. That is, I cannot > type ~ and | which one often needs. It should work. What does xev say when pressing Alt-Gr. > Is this the case with Alexander and others who have a German keyboard? If > not, what is the solution? It works for me. I've not tested the latest release so far, but I don't expect changes. bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From a.eibach@gmx.net Mon May 7 11:11:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:11:00 -0000 Subject: AltGr key. Message-ID: <007c01c0d721$214904e0$c60b07d5@andreas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Eibach" To: "Alexander Gottwald" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:10 PM Subject: Re: AltGr key. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexander Gottwald" > To: "George J. Wakileh" > Cc: "'cygwin-xfree'" > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: AltGr key. > > > On Mon, 7 May 2001, George J. Wakileh wrote: > > > > However, in bash the AltGr key is still not recognised. That is, I > cannot > > > type ~ and | which one often needs. > [...] > > It works for me. I've not tested the latest release so far, but I don't > > expect changes. > > I can confirm this. It works for me, too. :) > Good work, Alexander! > > Andreas > From a.eibach@gmx.net Mon May 7 11:19:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:19:00 -0000 Subject: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3704@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <00d201c0d722$36154f40$c60b07d5@andreas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 11:33 PM Subject: RE: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus > > Which fonts do you have installed? > Dozens. :) To name the most important ones: misc, Speedo, Type1, PEX, 100dpi and 75dpi. Should actually be sufficient, shouldn't it? Andreas From a.eibach@gmx.net Mon May 7 11:24:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:24:00 -0000 Subject: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus References: <00a301c0d673$3e1c5080$901307d5@andreas> <20010506164557.A3934605@MELON> Message-ID: <00d801c0d722$ee8000c0$c60b07d5@andreas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Enoch Wu" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 1:45 AM Subject: Re: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus > Well, I should have had a follow up posting. Here it goes: The problem was resolved by installing the fonts from the split up font files (I think Sidiqqi did Whoops! His first name is 'Suhaib'. > more than just splitting the files, like mkfontdir & others) Anyhow if you > install fonts like he said, you will see the menu. Ouch. Kinda weird, now that I've got the _whole_ of the story on my harddisk. Anyway, if this works, I'll do this. > cd to the directory where each font type is; save the alias files; mkfontdir . > > You may have to edit the fixed fonts -- not easy if you have not done it before, Thanks a bunch for your help, Andreas From huntharo@msu.edu Mon May 7 11:29:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:29:00 -0000 Subject: Changes in XFree86? References: Message-ID: <001e01c0d723$54dc8820$1fab0a23@huntharo> I updated the User's Guide to list the correct set of files to download. However, there were no changes to the Cygwin/XFree86 binaries. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of magnum3065 > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:32 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Changes in XFree86? > > > I downloaded XFree86 a few days ago and installed it just fine, but I > screwed some stuff up in cygwin and reinstalled it. I > downloaded XFree86 > again today and noticed that a few modifications were made on > the list of > files on the installation site, as well as some changes to > the startxwin.bat > file. I'm not sure what else was changed in XFree86, but now > it won't work. > When I run the bat file the program opens, but no xterms open up, and > running startx from cygwin tells me that it's "giving up" and > can't find the > server. I'm confused about what was changed from the version > I downloaded a > few days ago, and I'm not sure how to fix it. > From george.wakileh@vol.at Mon May 7 11:33:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:33:00 -0000 Subject: AltGr key. Message-ID: <01C0D735.9621A600@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hi Alexander, Thanks. After starting the X-Server, xev gives for Alt-Gr State 0x2000, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" Kind regards, George -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Gottwald [SMTP:Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] Sent: Monday, 07 May 2001 19:08 To: George J. Wakileh Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' Subject: Re: AltGr key. On Mon, 7 May 2001, George J. Wakileh wrote: > Hello, > > After much struggle, I could now get things to work with xmodmap.de. So, > things are fine with the German keyboard after starting the X-Server. > However, in bash the AltGr key is still not recognised. That is, I cannot > type ~ and | which one often needs. It should work. What does xev say when pressing Alt-Gr. > Is this the case with Alexander and others who have a German keyboard? If > not, what is the solution? It works for me. I've not tested the latest release so far, but I don't expect changes. bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From a.eibach@gmx.net Mon May 7 11:34:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:34:00 -0000 Subject: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus References: <00a301c0d673$3e1c5080$901307d5@andreas> <20010506164557.A3934605@MELON> Message-ID: <00ec01c0d724$4ea1e080$c60b07d5@andreas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Enoch Wu" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 1:45 AM Subject: Re: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus > cd to the directory where each font type is; save the alias files; mkfontdir . > > You may have to edit the fixed fonts -- not easy if you have not done it before, Seems I missed this. I just tried it by - like you told me to - cd to each directory and just do a 'mkfontdir .' but this doesn't seem to be sufficient - same "graphics" in nedit. Well I don't know what you mean by 'alias files', and why do I have to save them? Side-note: yes you're right. I've never edited fixed fonts in my life. ;-) Thanks anyway, Andreas From huntharo@msu.edu Mon May 7 11:36:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:36:00 -0000 Subject: icewm.exe.stackdump References: <200105071523.IAA03754@user5.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <001f01c0d724$416a3d90$1fab0a23@huntharo> Wrong mailing list. You want cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com. I have posted your mail there. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of > nc0ded@hushmail.com > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:15 PM > To: cygwin@sources.redhat.com > Subject: icewm.exe.stackdump > > > Hi- > I've posted this to the icewm-dev list, but haven't found > a resolution, so i was hoping one of the bright chaps > on this list might be able to help me.. > > uname -a output: > CYGWIN_NT-5.0 CTHULHU 1.3.1(0.38/3/2) 2001-04-24 20:01 i686 unknown > i started with icewm-1.0.8, configured with --enable-debug, > make, and make > install > > it compiles fine each time, with only the following warnings.... > > Compiling aworkspaces.o... > Compiling amailbox.o... > Compiling aclock.o... > In file included from /usr/include/fcntl.h:14, > from sysdep.h:41, > from aclock.cc:13: > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:51: warning: `O_BINARY' redefined > sysdep.h:18: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:52: warning: `O_TEXT' redefined > sysdep.h:15: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > Compiling acpustatus.o... > In file included from /usr/include/fcntl.h:14, > from sysdep.h:41, > from acpustatus.cc:15: > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:51: warning: `O_BINARY' redefined > sysdep.h:18: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:52: warning: `O_TEXT' redefined > sysdep.h:15: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > Compiling apppstatus.o... > In file included from /usr/include/fcntl.h:14, > from sysdep.h:41, > from apppstatus.cc:16: > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:51: warning: `O_BINARY' redefined > sysdep.h:18: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:52: warning: `O_TEXT' redefined > sysdep.h:15: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > Compiling aaddressbar.o... > Compiling objbar.o... > Compiling aapm.o... > In file included from /usr/include/fcntl.h:14, > from sysdep.h:41, > from aapm.cc:15: > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:51: warning: `O_BINARY' redefined > sysdep.h:18: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:52: warning: `O_TEXT' redefined > sysdep.h:15: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > Compiling yapp.o... > In file included from /usr/include/fcntl.h:14, > from sysdep.h:41, > from yapp.cc:11: > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:51: warning: `O_BINARY' redefined > sysdep.h:18: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:52: warning: `O_TEXT' redefined > sysdep.h:15: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > Compiling ytimer.o... > Compiling ywindow.o... > Compiling ypaint.o... > In file included from /usr/include/fcntl.h:14, > from sysdep.h:41, > from ypaint.cc:11: > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:51: warning: `O_BINARY' redefined > sysdep.h:18: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:52: warning: `O_TEXT' redefined > sysdep.h:15: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > Compiling ytooltip.o... > Compiling ypopup.o... > Compiling ymenu.o... > Compiling ymenuitem.o... > Compiling yscrollbar.o... > Compiling ybutton.o... > Compiling ylistbox.o... > Compiling yinput.o... > Compiling misc.o... > In file included from /usr/include/fcntl.h:14, > from sysdep.h:41, > from misc.cc:7: > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:51: warning: `O_BINARY' redefined > sysdep.h:18: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:52: warning: `O_TEXT' redefined > sysdep.h:15: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > misc.cc: In function `char * basename(const char *)': > misc.cc:405: warning: return to `char *' from `const char *' > discards qualifiers > > Compiling icons.o... > In file included from /usr/include/fcntl.h:14, > from sysdep.h:41, > from icons.cc:10: > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:51: warning: `O_BINARY' redefined > sysdep.h:18: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h:52: warning: `O_TEXT' redefined > sysdep.h:15: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > Compiling ycursor.o... > Compiling ylabel.o... > Compiling yscrollview.o... > > when using gdb to launch icewm from within the following > startup script > @echo off > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > SET > PATH=%PATH%;\usr\local\bin;\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\bin > start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel > 0 -engine 1 > start /B xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg green -bg > black -e bash > start /B gdb icewm > > , it first starts, of course, at wmapp.cc line 1030 > 1030 int main(int argc, char **argv) { > > on continuing.... > > we get the following tty output > icewm: Warning: Obsolete option: TitleBarCentered > icewm: Warning: Could not load font > '-artwiz-snap-regular-r-normal-sans- > 10-*'. > > and then gdb says the program received signal SIGSEGV, > Segmentation fault > line 84, themes.cc > 84 int dplen(strlen(path)); > > like i said previously, if the XWin server has already > started, i can from > another terminal > set DISPLAY, and run icewm from there. which i am doing in > the interim until > there is a possible > solution, but it would rock if this could be included in the > collection > for Cygwin, IMHO ;-) > Icewm is my favorite, if you need an X gui. > The Cygwin startx script normally started twm, and that works fine. > hopefully that helps. i appreciate it. > > Nc0ded@Hushmail.com > > Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com > From duck@duckland.org Mon May 7 11:36:00 2001 From: duck@duckland.org (Don Duck Harper) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:36:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 References: <001301c0d6c7$9b069630$1fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: <20010507133651.A28749@duckland.org> On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 03:30:34AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote to To Cygx (E-mail): :-) I just posted Test 23 to my usual announcement page: :-) Changes: :-) 1) Added 3 button mouse emulation support. (me, Alexander Gottwald) Well, the emulation works as advertised, but now, button 2 stops working. :( It worked before, and works under XFree 4.0.3 under linux on this laptop. *sigh* But, this whole X under Win32 is great! I can keep my windowmaker environment, and still use project. :) Don -- Don Harper, RHCE, MCSE email: duck@duckland.org Just a systems kinda guy... http://www.duckland.org #!/usr/bin/perl -w # 531-byte qrpff-fast, Keith Winstein and Marc Horowitz # MPEG 2 PS VOB file on stdin -> descrambled output on stdout # arguments: title key bytes in least to most-significant order $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^$d>>4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval You know you are in Austin, TX when... You find yourself making beaded necklaces to give away as Christmas gifts. From huntharo@msu.edu Mon May 7 11:40:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:40:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 References: <20010507133651.A28749@duckland.org> Message-ID: <002001c0d724$de066750$1fab0a23@huntharo> Don, We need to establish some conventions: Button1 = Left mouse button Button2 = Middle mouse button Button3 = Right mouse button Now, which button are you referring to? Also, are you talking about a mouse with all three buttons or only Button1 and Button3? If you're talking about a three button mouse you do not want to run with -emulate3buttons. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Duck Harper [ mailto:duck@duckland.org ] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:37 PM > To: Harold Hunt > Cc: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 > > > On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 03:30:34AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote > to To Cygx (E-mail): > :-) I just posted Test 23 to my usual announcement page: > :-) Changes: > :-) 1) Added 3 button mouse emulation support. (me, Alexander > Gottwald) > > Well, the emulation works as advertised, but now, button 2 stops > working. :( It worked before, and works under XFree 4.0.3 under linux > on this laptop. > > *sigh* > > But, this whole X under Win32 is great! I can keep my windowmaker > environment, and still use project. :) > > Don > > -- > Don Harper, RHCE, MCSE email: > duck@duckland.org > Just a systems kinda guy... > http://www.duckland.org > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > # 531-byte qrpff-fast, Keith Winstein and Marc Horowitz > > # MPEG 2 PS VOB file on stdin -> descrambled output on stdout > # arguments: title key bytes in least to most-significant order > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=( > $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64, > 72,$a^=12*($_%16 > -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*" > ,$_)[20]&48){$h > =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV > ;s/...$/1$&/;$ > d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&( > $d>>12^$d>>4^ > $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<< > 9,$_=$t[$_]^ > (($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pa > ck+/g;eval > > > You know you are in Austin, TX when... > You find yourself making beaded necklaces to give away as Christmas > gifts. > From huntharo@msu.edu Mon May 7 11:42:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:42:00 -0000 Subject: AltGr key. References: <01C0D735.9621A600@george.wakileh@vol.at> Message-ID: <002101c0d725$125e0fd0$1fab0a23@huntharo> George, > After starting the X-Server, xev gives for Alt-Gr > State 0x2000, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), > same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" Is that the only message? Isn't there a release message? Harold From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Mon May 7 11:53:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:53:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 References: <001301c0d6c7$9b069630$1fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 May 2001, Harold Hunt wrote: > On Windows NT/2000 the 3 button emulation timeout can be adjusted in > increments of 10 milliseconds; on Windows 95/98/Me the 3 button emulation > timeout can be adjusted in increments of roughly 55 milliseconds. This > limitation in timout resolution is due to using Win32 User timers; perhaps a > different sort of Win32 timer will be used in the future if users find the > current timout resolution inadequate. > > Use '-emulate3buttons' to enable 3 button mouse emulation; you may also use > '-emulate3buttons timeout_in_milliseconds' to specify the maximum time > allowed between the pressing of each button; the default timeout is 50 > milliseconds. > It seems we now have a different 3button emulation than other xfree servers. They always first send Button1 or Button3 and releases them again if an fake Button2 is generated (as my code did). Anyway, until no one complains about, it's ok The following patch fixes an error if the argument -emulate3buttons is the last argument (no timeout value). --- InitOutput.c.old Mon May 7 20:48:23 2001 +++ InitOutput.c Mon May 6 20:48:49 2001 @@ -382,7 +382,7 @@ int iE3BTimeout = WIN_DEFAULT_E3B_TIME; /* Grab the optional timeout value */ - if (i + 1 <= argc + if (i + 1 < argc && 1 == sscanf (argv[i + 1], "%d", &iE3BTimeout)) { bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Mon May 7 11:54:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:54:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 References: <001301c0d6c7$9b069630$1fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 May 2001, Harold Hunt wrote: > hw/xwin source, direct link: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/xwin-20010507-0309.tar.bz2 > Why is ServerOSDefines removed from the Imakefile? DEFINES = $(OS_DEFINES) ... GetTimeInMillis is not defined if the DDXTIME is not set via ServerOSDefines. ---8<---8<---- --- Imakefile.old Wed Apr 11 04:41:08 2001 +++ Imakefile Wed Apr 25 21:44:02 2001 @@ -70,7 +70,7 @@ -I$(SERVERSRC)/include -I$(SERVERSRC)/os \ -I$(EXTINCSRC) -I$(XINCLUDESRC) -I$(SERVERSRC)/miext/shadow -DEFINES = $(OS_DEFINES) $(SHMDEF) $(MMAPDEF) -UXFree85LOADER -UXF86DRI +DEFINES = ServerOSDefines $(SHMDEF) $(MMAPDEF) -UXFree86LOADER -UXF86DRI #if BuildDPMS SRCSB = dpmsstubs.c ---8<---8<--- bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Mon May 7 12:00:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:00:00 -0000 Subject: AltGr key. References: <01C0D735.9621A600@george.wakileh@vol.at> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 May 2001, George J. Wakileh wrote: > Hi Alexander, > > Thanks. > > After starting the X-Server, xev gives for Alt-Gr > State 0x2000, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" Is this the key release? The state indicates a pressed Mode_switch. The output for AltGr + Q is: KeyPress event, serial 125, synthetic NO, window 0x200001, root 0x2e, subw 0x200002, time 1259310, (52,20), root:(54,22), state 0x0, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" KeyPress event, serial 125, synthetic NO, window 0x200001, root 0x2e, subw 0x200002, time 1259430, (52,20), root:(54,22), state 0x2000, keycode 24 (keysym 0x40, at), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 1 characters: "@" KeyRelease event, serial 125, synthetic NO, window 0x200001, root 0x2e, subw 0x200002, time 1259511, (52,20), root:(54,22), state 0x2000, keycode 24 (keysym 0x40, at), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 1 characters: "@" KeyRelease event, serial 125, synthetic NO, window 0x200001, root 0x2e, subw 0x200002, time 1259581, (52,20), root:(54,22), state 0x2000, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From huntharo@msu.edu Mon May 7 12:05:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:05:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 References: Message-ID: <002201c0d728$54ade4c0$1fab0a23@huntharo> Do not apply this patch. Alexander, You must have missed the corresponding patch to xc/config/cf/server.tmpl that added: OS_DEFINES = ServerOSDefines You'll need to do a make Makefiles from xc/programs/ to get the new define working. I didn't create those patch, but I can verify that they are the correct way to do things. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander Gottwald > [ mailto:Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de ] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:16 PM > To: Harold Hunt > Cc: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 > > > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Harold Hunt wrote: > > > hw/xwin source, direct link: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/shadow/xwin-20010507-0309.tar.bz2 > > > Why is ServerOSDefines removed from the Imakefile? > DEFINES = $(OS_DEFINES) ... > > GetTimeInMillis is not defined if the DDXTIME is not set via > ServerOSDefines. > > ---8<---8<---- > --- Imakefile.old Wed Apr 11 04:41:08 2001 > +++ Imakefile Wed Apr 25 21:44:02 2001 > @@ -70,7 +70,7 @@ > -I$(SERVERSRC)/include -I$(SERVERSRC)/os \ > -I$(EXTINCSRC) -I$(XINCLUDESRC) > -I$(SERVERSRC)/miext/shadow > > -DEFINES = $(OS_DEFINES) $(SHMDEF) $(MMAPDEF) -UXFree85LOADER > -UXF86DRI > +DEFINES = ServerOSDefines $(SHMDEF) $(MMAPDEF) > -UXFree86LOADER -UXF86DRI > > #if BuildDPMS > SRCSB = dpmsstubs.c > ---8<---8<--- > > bye > ago > -- > Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de > http://www.gotti.org > +49 3725 3498080 > From george.wakileh@vol.at Mon May 7 13:31:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:31:00 -0000 Subject: AltGr key. Message-ID: <01C0D746.0E7FE840@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hi Harold, Sorry, the complete message is KeyRelease event serial 23, synthetic NO, window 0x1200001, root 0x2e, sub 0x0, time 16502018, (136, 110), root: (185, 174), State 0x2000, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" Harold / Alexander, I just want to reiterate that the Alt-Gr key works fine in the X-Server xterm windows. It is not recognised only in the cygwin bash window. George -----Original Message----- From: Harold Hunt [SMTP:huntharo@msu.edu] Sent: Monday, 07 May 2001 20:40 To: 'George J. Wakileh'; 'cygwin-xfree' Subject: RE: AltGr key. George, > After starting the X-Server, xev gives for Alt-Gr > State 0x2000, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), > same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" Is that the only message? Isn't there a release message? Harold From george.wakileh@vol.at Mon May 7 13:42:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:42:00 -0000 Subject: AltGr key. Message-ID: <01C0D747.9FE1D040@george.wakileh@vol.at> Yes, I get something similar for Alt-Gr + Q, Alexander. I might not have been clear, but again my note was about the cygwin window. This is where the Alt-Gr is not recognised. George -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Gottwald [SMTP:Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] Sent: Monday, 07 May 2001 21:01 To: George J. Wakileh Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' Subject: RE: AltGr key. On Mon, 7 May 2001, George J. Wakileh wrote: > Hi Alexander, > > Thanks. > > After starting the X-Server, xev gives for Alt-Gr > State 0x2000, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" Is this the key release? The state indicates a pressed Mode_switch. The output for AltGr + Q is: KeyPress event, serial 125, synthetic NO, window 0x200001, root 0x2e, subw 0x200002, time 1259310, (52,20), root:(54,22), state 0x0, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" KeyPress event, serial 125, synthetic NO, window 0x200001, root 0x2e, subw 0x200002, time 1259430, (52,20), root:(54,22), state 0x2000, keycode 24 (keysym 0x40, at), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 1 characters: "@" KeyRelease event, serial 125, synthetic NO, window 0x200001, root 0x2e, subw 0x200002, time 1259511, (52,20), root:(54,22), state 0x2000, keycode 24 (keysym 0x40, at), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 1 characters: "@" KeyRelease event, serial 125, synthetic NO, window 0x200001, root 0x2e, subw 0x200002, time 1259581, (52,20), root:(54,22), state 0x2000, keycode 113 (keysym 0xff7e, Mode_switch), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: "" bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From huntharo@msu.edu Mon May 7 14:02:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:02:00 -0000 Subject: AltGr key. References: <01C0D747.9FE1D040@george.wakileh@vol.at> Message-ID: <002301c0d738$b6e25300$1fab0a23@huntharo> > I might not have been clear, but again my note was about the > cygwin window. This is where the Alt-Gr is not recognised. Oops. Cygwin's and Cygwin/XFree86's handling of AltGr is completely unrelated. I have seen several posts on the cygwin mailing list regarding your question. I suggest that you search the cygwin mailing list archives for 'AltGr', you will likely find an answer to your question; I do not suggest asking your question on the cygwin mailing list, as they will yell at you, then refer you to the mailing list archives :) Harold From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Mon May 7 15:04:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:04:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 References: <002201c0d728$54ade4c0$1fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 May 2001, Harold Hunt wrote: > Do not apply this patch. > > Alexander, > > You must have missed the corresponding patch to xc/config/cf/server.tmpl > that added: > OS_DEFINES = ServerOSDefines Doing a cvs checkout on a 64k line is not the best idea :) > You'll need to do a make Makefiles from xc/programs/ to get the new define > working. > > I didn't create those patch, but I can verify that they are the correct way > to do things. > Anyway, I think I have to get a cvs update - even if it takes some weeks :). Damned CVS protocol. bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Mon May 7 15:06:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:06:00 -0000 Subject: AltGr key. References: <01C0D747.9FE1D040@george.wakileh@vol.at> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 May 2001, George J. Wakileh wrote: > Yes, I get something similar for Alt-Gr + Q, Alexander. > > I might not have been clear, but again my note was about the cygwin window. This is where the Alt-Gr is not recognised. Is it a bash in a xterm on X11 or the bash in the console window? bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From huntharo@msu.edu Mon May 7 15:18:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:18:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 References: Message-ID: <002501c0d743$55e474b0$1fab0a23@huntharo> I forgot to mention that my current builds and source is from CVS, I guess that is why you missed the patch :) > Doing a cvs checkout on a 64k line is not the best idea :) Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Mon May 7 15:23:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:23:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 References: Message-ID: <01f901c0d744$106c60e0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Gottwald" To: "Harold Hunt" Cc: "'Alexander Gottwald'" ; "'Cygx (E-mail)'" Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:05 AM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Harold Hunt wrote: > > > Do not apply this patch. > > > > Alexander, > > > > You must have missed the corresponding patch to xc/config/cf/server.tmpl > > that added: > > OS_DEFINES = ServerOSDefines > > Doing a cvs checkout on a 64k line is not the best idea :) Works fine for me here - 56Kb line at home. (I use -z4, and on servers that allow it -z9). Mind you, why are you checking out? - You've already got the source, just do updates. > > You'll need to do a make Makefiles from xc/programs/ to get the new define > > working. > > > > I didn't create those patch, but I can verify that they are the correct way > > to do things. > > > Anyway, I think I have to get a cvs update - even if it takes some > weeks :). Damned CVS protocol. You shouldn't have any difficulty. Even though X is a big tree cvs shouldn't barf or run particularly slow. It's good practice to update your working directory before making any patches. Rob > bye > ago > -- > Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de > http://www.gotti.org > +49 3725 3498080 > > From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Mon May 7 15:29:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:29:00 -0000 Subject: XDMCP Session Declined References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > I want to know if someone got xdmcp working with win95 or if this error > occurs on other windows version too. > Yes, I can :). I got it working on a fresh win95 installation. But I'll try to break it :). bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From ewu@eskimo.com Mon May 7 19:08:00 2001 From: ewu@eskimo.com (Enoch Wu) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:08:00 -0000 Subject: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus References: <00a301c0d673$3e1c5080$901307d5@andreas> <20010506164557.A3934605@MELON> <00ec01c0d724$4ea1e080$c60b07d5@andreas> Message-ID: <20010507192312.A3979175@MELON> Hello, On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 08:34:09PM +0200, Andreas Eibach wrote: > I just tried it by - like you told me to - cd to each directory and just do > a 'mkfontdir .' > but this doesn't seem to be sufficient - same "graphics" in nedit. > Well I don't know what you mean by 'alias files', and why do I have to save > them? I recall working on alias files in the font directories years ago but I don't remember the details now. You will have to look up the XFree86 HOWTO to find out if such is the case, > Side-note: yes you're right. I've never edited fixed fonts in my life. ;-) My diff output shows large differences between the 2001-4-14 font files and the newer split up font files (on a font by font comparison). I am inclined to suggest that you re-install the font files from the split tarballs just to save yourself a lot of work. However if you would rather do it the hard way and learn from the experience, I can only refer you to the numerous documentation on the Net or the X Window Users Guide. What I did was to reinstall just the fonts I needed - that worked well for me. EW From rkarcher@frey.de Tue May 8 01:17:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:17:00 -0000 Subject: VMS and Test 23 Message-ID: <20010508101703.A536@kar.berlin.frey.de> Hi, some more information about the problems connecting to VMS. The main problem is the crash of DECTERM, which is xterm on VMS, because of an integer divide by zero error. xclock for example is working. tcpdump shows differences in the logfiles of Test22 - which works - and Test23 after about 100 packets (including the rexec packets for starting DECTERM on VMS). Connection to xterm on linux are o.k. Reinhard From a.eibach@gmx.net Tue May 8 03:19:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 03:19:00 -0000 Subject: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus References: <00a301c0d673$3e1c5080$901307d5@andreas> <20010506164557.A3934605@MELON> <00ec01c0d724$4ea1e080$c60b07d5@andreas> <20010507192312.A3979175@MELON> Message-ID: <001901c0d7a8$63d42920$6f0d07d5@andreas> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Enoch Wu" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:23 AM Subject: Re: nedit doesn't work - can't read any menus > My diff output shows large differences between the 2001-4-14 font files > and the newer split up font files (on a font by font comparison). > I am inclined to suggest that you re-install the font files from the split > tarballs just to save yourself a lot of work. Enoch, Yes, that's been it! Did a radical rm -rf * in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts, DELETED my 30mb fonts file and installed 'misc' and 'PEX'. This worked. Thanks a LOT for your great help. Finally I got a working X11 editor - hooray! :-) Andreas From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 8 04:37:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 04:37:00 -0000 Subject: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C370F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> OK, do you have UNIX mode or text mode mounted cygdrive? These errors could be due to text mounted disk. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:40 AM > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: RE: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > > Hi Suhaib, > > I certainly used bzip2 and tar for all the xfree86 files, and did the > unzipping from cygwin bash. I don't think that Winzip can handle bz2 > files. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [SMTP:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com] > Sent: Monday, 07 May 2001 14:04 > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: RE: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > > Are you sure you did not extract rgb.txt file with Winzip or another > Windows zip software, instead of bzip2 and tar? > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:04 AM > > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > > Subject: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I am getting a few warnings as below. > > > > rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > > > xterm: Cannot allocate color yellow3 > > > > Warning: Color name "black" is not defined > > Warning: Color name "white" is not defined > > Not enough colormap entries available for basic colors - > > using monochrome mode. > > > > I have rgb.txt in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/ and it has > > 255 255 255 white > > 0 0 0 black > > 205 205 0 yellow3 > > etc > > > > Are there any other files having to deal with colours? If > > so, what are they and where are they located? > > > > Thanks very much in advance. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > George > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 8 04:39:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 04:39:00 -0000 Subject: Changes in XFree86? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3710@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Would be more helpful if you can post a copy of your startxwin.bat. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: magnum3065 [ mailto:magnum3065@hotmail.com ] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:32 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Changes in XFree86? > > > I downloaded XFree86 a few days ago and installed it just fine, but I > screwed some stuff up in cygwin and reinstalled it. I > downloaded XFree86 > again today and noticed that a few modifications were made on > the list of > files on the installation site, as well as some changes to > the startxwin.bat > file. I'm not sure what else was changed in XFree86, but now > it won't work. > When I run the bat file the program opens, but no xterms open up, and > running startx from cygwin tells me that it's "giving up" and > can't find the > server. I'm confused about what was changed from the version > I downloaded a > few days ago, and I'm not sure how to fix it. > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 8 04:40:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 04:40:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 on win95/98 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3711@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Thanks for the pointer. After this, I checked my win98 color > settings. It > was set to 8 bit color. I was getting stackdump when I tried > to start XWin > in 16 bit color (while win98 was in 8 bit color). When I > corrected my win98 > to 16 bit color, it started working fine in windowed mode. > > BTW, XDMCP error on win95 is still there. Are you behind a firewall or VPN, as discussed in FAQ? Suhaib > > Thanks, > Muthu > > > >From: Andrew Markebo > >To: "Muthukumar G" > >CC: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > >Subject: Re: Cygwin/XFree86 on win95/98 > >Date: 05 May 2001 19:52:26 +0200 > > > >Hmm could it be a potential problem with number of colors, did Xwin > >if I recall right, xwin had problems with 24 bit colors, 16 and 32 > >worked fine... > > > > /Andy > > > >/ "Muthukumar G" wrote: > >| Hi, > >| > >| That was real quick :-) > >| > >| 1. Yes, I did use -from & -query > >| > >| 2. On Win98 (working one): > >| Xwin -ac -screen 0 1024x768x16 -fullscreen -whitepixel 255 > -blackpixel > >| 0 -engine 4 > >| > >| (I am yet to get this mail from the mailing list; I got > this from the > >| archive) > >| > >| Thanks, > >| Muthu > >| > >| Suhaib's reply to my post: > >| -------------------------- > >| did you use -from -query >| remote host>? > >| > >| On WIn98 what resolution are you using? Can you post? i.e. -screen > >| 1024x687x32 for example... > >| > >| Suhaib > >| -------------------------- > >| > >| > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > >| Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . From a.eibach@gmx.net Tue May 8 09:14:00 2001 From: a.eibach@gmx.net (Andreas Eibach) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 09:14:00 -0000 Subject: Shift-CTRL key combinations (nedit) not working Message-ID: <00be01c0d7d9$fb85d120$3d0e07d5@andreas> Hi, Crazy, nedit once again. ;-) Well I tested the keyboard shortcuts for this editor and most of them start with Shift-CTRL ..... None of them work for me, neither with Alexander's German keymap nor with the original one. That's it for now... Andreas From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Tue May 8 11:35:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:35:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 References: <01f901c0d744$106c60e0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 May 2001, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > > > You must have missed the corresponding patch to > xc/config/cf/server.tmpl > > > that added: > > > OS_DEFINES = ServerOSDefines > > > > Doing a cvs checkout on a 64k line is not the best idea :) > > Works fine for me here - 56Kb line at home. (I use -z4, and on servers > that allow it -z9). Mind you, why are you checking out? - You've already > got the source, just do updates. > some weeks ago i tried update, after 2 hours I stopped it. update causes the same traffic. cvs sends the whole file to the server and receives the diff. > > Anyway, I think I have to get a cvs update - even if it takes some > > weeks :). Damned CVS protocol. > > You shouldn't have any difficulty. Even though X is a big tree cvs > shouldn't barf or run particularly slow. It's good practice to update > your working directory before making any patches. Maybe this week, lets see. -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From alanformstone@yahoo.com Tue May 8 12:23:00 2001 From: alanformstone@yahoo.com (Alan Formstone) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:23:00 -0000 Subject: Problems editing oracle sqlplus buffer with xterm Message-ID: <005001c0d7f3$fd6ce1d0$1e1116ac@us.lhsgroup.com> Hi, I recently installed cygwin/xfree and love it. However in a normal cygwin terminal I can edit sqlplus commands using vi. With an xterm I can't. I know this is a config problem but have no idea why A colleague has this working with no problems. The only difference is the OS. Hes' using 95 and I'm using NT. Maybe some other Oracle bod experienced the same problem in the past... SQL> select * 2 SQL> ed Wrote file afiedt.buf 1* select * SQL> The buffer is written to disk, but I dont get a chance to edit it! Cheers, Alan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jgirardeau@vixsaustin.com Tue May 8 13:46:00 2001 From: jgirardeau@vixsaustin.com (Jim Girardeau) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:46:00 -0000 Subject: DDD Message-ID: can I run DDD under cygwin? Is there any other good debugger (not gdb). Thanks, Jim From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 8 13:48:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:48:00 -0000 Subject: DDD Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3716@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Yes, you can run DDD, but you need to compile it yourself. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Girardeau [ mailto:jgirardeau@vixsaustin.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:44 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@xfree.cygwin.com > Subject: DDD > > > can I run DDD under cygwin? > Is there any other good debugger (not gdb). Thanks, Jim > From george.wakileh@vol.at Tue May 8 15:41:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:41:00 -0000 Subject: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting Message-ID: <01C0D821.7CBD1220@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hi Suhaib, Sorry for the late answer. I was out of town and just came back an hour ago. mount gives d:\bin on /usr/bin type system (binmode) d:\lib on /usr/lib type system (binmode) d: on / type system (binmode) c: on /cygdrive/c type user (binmode,noumount) Kind regards, George -----Original Message----- From: Suhaib Siddiqi [SMTP:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com] Sent: Tuesday, 08 May 2001 13:37 To: 'cygwin-xfree' Subject: RE: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting OK, do you have UNIX mode or text mode mounted cygdrive? These errors could be due to text mounted disk. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:40 AM > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: RE: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > > Hi Suhaib, > > I certainly used bzip2 and tar for all the xfree86 files, and did the > unzipping from cygwin bash. I don't think that Winzip can handle bz2 > files. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [SMTP:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com] > Sent: Monday, 07 May 2001 14:04 > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: RE: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > > Are you sure you did not extract rgb.txt file with Winzip or another > Windows zip software, instead of bzip2 and tar? > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:04 AM > > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > > Subject: rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I am getting a few warnings as below. > > > > rxvt: Cannot load color "Black" - Aborting > > > > xterm: Cannot allocate color yellow3 > > > > Warning: Color name "black" is not defined > > Warning: Color name "white" is not defined > > Not enough colormap entries available for basic colors - > > using monochrome mode. > > > > I have rgb.txt in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/ and it has > > 255 255 255 white > > 0 0 0 black > > 205 205 0 yellow3 > > etc > > > > Are there any other files having to deal with colours? If > > so, what are they and where are they located? > > > > Thanks very much in advance. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > George > > > From george.wakileh@vol.at Tue May 8 15:44:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:44:00 -0000 Subject: AltGr key. Message-ID: <01C0D821.D99ADFE0@george.wakileh@vol.at> Thanks Harold / Alexander. I will check the cygwin archives. George -----Original Message----- From: Harold Hunt [SMTP:huntharo@msu.edu] Sent: Monday, 07 May 2001 23:00 To: 'George J. Wakileh'; 'Alexander Gottwald' Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' Subject: RE: AltGr key. > I might not have been clear, but again my note was about the > cygwin window. This is where the Alt-Gr is not recognised. Oops. Cygwin's and Cygwin/XFree86's handling of AltGr is completely unrelated. I have seen several posts on the cygwin mailing list regarding your question. I suggest that you search the cygwin mailing list archives for 'AltGr', you will likely find an answer to your question; I do not suggest asking your question on the cygwin mailing list, as they will yell at you, then refer you to the mailing list archives :) Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 8 16:03:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:03:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 References: Message-ID: <014a01c0d812$c47ed030$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Gottwald" To: "Robert Collins" Cc: "Alexander Gottwald" ; "Harold Hunt" ; "'Cygx (E-mail)'" Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 > On Tue, 8 May 2001, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > > > > > > You must have missed the corresponding patch to > > xc/config/cf/server.tmpl > > > > that added: > > > > OS_DEFINES = ServerOSDefines > > > > > > Doing a cvs checkout on a 64k line is not the best idea :) > > > > Works fine for me here - 56Kb line at home. (I use -z4, and on servers > > that allow it -z9). Mind you, why are you checking out? - You've already > > got the source, just do updates. > > > some weeks ago i tried update, after 2 hours I stopped it. > update causes the same traffic. cvs sends the whole file to the server and > receives the diff. It checks datestamps first. If you're finding the whole file gets sent up, make sure you are timesynced to GMT and lookup the thread on CVS performance in cygwin@cygwin.com (It was broken datestamps). Also if the whole tree is too big, cd to leaf dirs with only a 100 odd files and then cvs update. (_after fixing_ the potential date problem). Rob From tkmame@retrogames.com Tue May 8 23:03:00 2001 From: tkmame@retrogames.com (Christopher Stone) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 23:03:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin Message-ID: <01050823020606.08397@bagend> Hello, When I try to run XFree86 under win4lin it complains with some socket error and asks me if I am already running an X server (which I am because I am running win4lin)...is there anyway to run XFree86 for Cygwin under a win4lin environment? Thanks, and keep up the good work, this is exciting stuff!! -Chris From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Wed May 9 00:37:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 00:37:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] for pthread.h Message-ID: <20010509083828.A836@valinux.com> Rob, A small patch for pthread.h when compiling code with -ansi. Obviously -ansi doesn't like these kinds of comment fields. Alan. --- /tmp/pthread.h Wed May 9 08:36:07 2001 +++ /usr/include/pthread.h Wed May 9 08:36:19 2001 @@ -28,7 +28,7 @@ /* FIXME: this should allocate a new cond variable, and return the value that would normally be written to the passed parameter of pthread_cond_init(lvalue, NULL); */ -// #define PTHREAD_COND_INITIALIZER 0 +/* #define PTHREAD_COND_INITIALIZER 0 */ #define PTHREAD_DESTRUCTOR_ITERATIONS 1 /* Tls has 64 items for pre win2000 - and we don't want to use them all :] From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 9 01:00:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 01:00:00 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] for pthread.h References: <20010509083828.A836@valinux.com> Message-ID: <000f01c0d85d$c9cae790$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Doh!. // is actually c++ only in theory. Thanks! I'll generate a changelog and send to cygwin-patches with my next set of code changes. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Hourihane" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:38 PM Subject: [PATCH] for pthread.h > Rob, > > A small patch for pthread.h when compiling code with -ansi. Obviously -ansi > doesn't like these kinds of comment fields. > > Alan. > > --- /tmp/pthread.h Wed May 9 08:36:07 2001 > +++ /usr/include/pthread.h Wed May 9 08:36:19 2001 > @@ -28,7 +28,7 @@ > > /* FIXME: this should allocate a new cond variable, and return the value that > would normally be written to the passed parameter of pthread_cond_init(lvalue, NULL); */ > -// #define PTHREAD_COND_INITIALIZER 0 > +/* #define PTHREAD_COND_INITIALIZER 0 */ > > #define PTHREAD_DESTRUCTOR_ITERATIONS 1 > /* Tls has 64 items for pre win2000 - and we don't want to use them all :] > From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Wed May 9 04:18:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 04:18:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 23 References: <014a01c0d812$c47ed030$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 May 2001, Robert Collins wrote: > > some weeks ago i tried update, after 2 hours I stopped it. > > update causes the same traffic. cvs sends the whole file to the server > and > > receives the diff. > > It checks datestamps first. If you're finding the whole file gets sent > up, make sure you are timesynced to GMT and lookup the thread on CVS > performance in cygwin@cygwin.com (It was broken datestamps). > > Also if the whole tree is too big, cd to leaf dirs with only a 100 odd > files and then cvs update. (_after fixing_ the potential date problem). > Don't know what happend some weeks ago, yesterday the update was successful. When I've some time left, I'll generate the Makefiles again and will see what now broken with cross-compiling :). bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Wed May 9 04:20:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 04:20:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin References: <01050823020606.08397@bagend> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 May 2001, Christopher Stone wrote: > Hello, > > When I try to run XFree86 under win4lin it complains with some socket error > and asks me if I am already running an X server (which I am because I am > running win4lin)...is there anyway to run XFree86 for Cygwin under a win4lin > environment? > Use the extra parameter ":1" or ":2" this will set up the server with display number ":1.0" instead of ":0.0" wich is already occupied by the linux xserver bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil Wed May 9 13:36:00 2001 From: plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil (Plaxton Jeffrey J CPT) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:36:00 -0000 Subject: Error Starting X Message-ID: <777ABA385729D111A06600A0C948E59E0296ED13@lewisex17.lewis.army.mil> Hello all, I've downloaded the latest version of Cygwin (version 1.3.1) on Win 2K/SP-1. I've also downloaded all of the Xfree 4.0.3 binaries. Everything appears to be good, however when I execute startxwin.bat from anywhere (command line, command prompt window, or even from within Cygwin) I get the following error: Xterm.exe - Entry Point Not Found The procedure entry point_check_for_executable could not be located in the dynamic link library cygwin1.dll. Any thoughts on what could be causing this? TIA, Jeff Plaxton From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 9 13:50:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:50:00 -0000 Subject: Error Starting X Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C371A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Check if you do not have multiple cygwin1.dll on your system. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Plaxton Jeffrey J CPT [ mailto:plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:36 PM > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com' > Subject: Error Starting X > > > Hello all, > I've downloaded the latest version of Cygwin (version > 1.3.1) on Win > 2K/SP-1. I've also downloaded all of the Xfree 4.0.3 > binaries. Everything > appears to be good, however when I execute startxwin.bat from anywhere > (command line, command prompt window, or even from within > Cygwin) I get the > following error: > > > Xterm.exe - Entry Point Not Found > > The procedure entry > point_check_for_executable could > not be located in the dynamic link library cygwin1.dll. > > Any thoughts on what could be causing this? > > TIA, > Jeff Plaxton > From plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil Wed May 9 14:38:00 2001 From: plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil (Plaxton Jeffrey J CPT) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:38:00 -0000 Subject: Error Starting X Message-ID: <777ABA385729D111A06600A0C948E59E0296ED16@lewisex17.lewis.army.mil> Sorry about breaking the thread, but I've only subscribed to the digest version. In any case, I only have one version of cygwin1.dll. It is in the D:\Cygwin\bin directory (where it is supposed to be). Jeffrey Plaxton |Check if you do not have multiple cygwin1.dll on your system. | |Suhaib | |> -----Original Message----- |> From: Plaxton Jeffrey J CPT [ mailto:plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil < mailto:plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil > ] |> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:36 PM |> To: 'cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com' |> Subject: Error Starting X |> |> |> Hello all, |> I've downloaded the latest version of Cygwin (version |> 1.3.1) on Win |> 2K/SP-1. I've also downloaded all of the Xfree 4.0.3 |> binaries. Everything |> appears to be good, however when I execute startxwin.bat from anywhere |> (command line, command prompt window, or even from within |> Cygwin) I get the |> following error: |> |> |> Xterm.exe - Entry Point Not Found |> |> The procedure entry |> point_check_for_executable could |> not be located in the dynamic link library cygwin1.dll. |> |> Any thoughts on what could be causing this? |> |> TIA, |> Jeff Plaxton |> From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 9 14:57:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:57:00 -0000 Subject: Error Starting X Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C371B@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Could you post cygcheck out put please? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Plaxton Jeffrey J CPT [ mailto:plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:38 PM > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com' > Subject: RE: Error Starting X > > > Sorry about breaking the thread, but I've only subscribed to > the digest > version. In any case, I only have one version of > cygwin1.dll. It is in the > D:\Cygwin\bin directory (where it is supposed to be). > > Jeffrey Plaxton > > |Check if you do not have multiple cygwin1.dll on your system. > | > |Suhaib > | > |> -----Original Message----- > |> From: Plaxton Jeffrey J CPT [ mailto:plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil > < mailto:plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil > ] > |> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:36 PM > |> To: 'cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com' > |> Subject: Error Starting X > |> > |> > |> Hello all, > |> I've downloaded the latest version of Cygwin (version > |> 1.3.1) on Win > |> 2K/SP-1. I've also downloaded all of the Xfree 4.0.3 > |> binaries. Everything > |> appears to be good, however when I execute startxwin.bat > from anywhere > |> (command line, command prompt window, or even from within > |> Cygwin) I get the > |> following error: > |> > |> > |> Xterm.exe - Entry Point Not Found > |> > |> The procedure entry > |> point_check_for_executable could > |> not be located in the dynamic link library cygwin1.dll. > |> > |> Any thoughts on what could be causing this? > |> > |> TIA, > |> Jeff Plaxton > |> > > From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Wed May 9 23:47:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:47:00 -0000 Subject: Script for create cygwin installer setup Message-ID: <001901c0d919$adb194c0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Hi people, what do you think about using the cygwin installer for distributing the Xfree archives. (I have seen that cygwin installer V2.50 supports bzip2 archives) For distribution kde on cygwin with X I have created a script, which scans a directory and produces cygwin installer conform setup.ini files. Look at the examples. By the way, I suggest to standardize the used file names to simplify setup.ini creating. Any comments are welcome. Regards Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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4.0.3 install: xfree86-4.0.3-Xterm.tar.bz2 364475 @ xfree86-Xvfb version: 4.0.3 install: xfree86-4.0.3-Xvfb.tar.bz2 1630345 @ xfree86-devel version: 4.0.3 install: xfree86-4.0.3-devel.tar.bz2 1810586 @ xfree86-twm version: 4.0.3 install: xfree86-4.0.3-twm.tar.bz2 192126 From magnum3065@hotmail.com Thu May 10 00:31:00 2001 From: magnum3065@hotmail.com (magnum3065) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:31:00 -0000 Subject: Changes in XFree86? References: <001e01c0d723$54dc8820$1fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: Ok, I figured out the problem. The file X, which should have been a symlink to XWin.exe, was only a blank text document. I've fixed my installation, but this should be fixed soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "'magnum3065'" ; Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: RE: Changes in XFree86? > I updated the User's Guide to list the correct set of files to download. > > However, there were no changes to the Cygwin/XFree86 binaries. > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of magnum3065 > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:32 AM > > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > > Subject: Changes in XFree86? > > > > > > I downloaded XFree86 a few days ago and installed it just fine, but I > > screwed some stuff up in cygwin and reinstalled it. I > > downloaded XFree86 > > again today and noticed that a few modifications were made on > > the list of > > files on the installation site, as well as some changes to > > the startxwin.bat > > file. I'm not sure what else was changed in XFree86, but now > > it won't work. > > When I run the bat file the program opens, but no xterms open up, and > > running startx from cygwin tells me that it's "giving up" and > > can't find the > > server. I'm confused about what was changed from the version > > I downloaded a > > few days ago, and I'm not sure how to fix it. > > > From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Thu May 10 02:51:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:51:00 -0000 Subject: AW: Status of cygwin KDE project - beta version of dll based qt 2.3.0 library is running References: <20010510104130.C1523@valinux.com> Message-ID: <000001c0d937$0a6c1ce0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> The only switch is -shared, look at the makefile in the sample Regards Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > -----Urspr????ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Alan Hourihane [ mailto:alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk ] > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2001 11:42 > An: Ralf Habacker > Betreff: Re: Status of cygwin KDE project - beta version of dll based qt > 2.3.0 library is running > > On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 03:37:28PM +0200, Ralf Habacker wrote: > > Hi, > > I have check this too and my client programm runs > > > > $ ./client > > Dll sees var=123 > > we see var=123 > > setting var=456 > > Dll sees var=456 > > we see var=456 > > > > Dll sees var=90 > > we see var=90 > > > > Dll sees foo=9 > > we see foo=9 > > setting foo=19 > > Dll sees foo=19 > > we see foo=19 > > > > Calling dllimported function pointer: > > Dll sees foo=19 > > > Thanks Ralf. > > When you build KDE, are there any other options you pass to the linker > apart from -Wl,--imp-outlib,libxxx.a ? > > Do you enable '--enable-auto-image-base' or '--enable-dynamic' ? > > Alan. > From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Thu May 10 08:32:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:32:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin (fwd) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:57:12 -0700 From: Christopher Stone To: Alexander Gottwald Subject: Re: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin On Wednesday 09 May 2001 04:20 am, you wrote: > On Tue, 7 May 2001, Christopher Stone wrote: > > Hello, > > > > When I try to run XFree86 under win4lin it complains with some socket > > error and asks me if I am already running an X server (which I am because > > I am running win4lin)...is there anyway to run XFree86 for Cygwin under a > > win4lin environment? > > Use the extra parameter ":1" or ":2" this will set up the server with > display number ":1.0" instead of ":0.0" wich is already occupied by the > linux xserver Hi, thanks for responding! I tried Xwin.exe ":2" and got the following error: DuplicateHandle failed Win32 error 6DuplicateHandle failed Win32 error 6_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw not installed winSetEngine () - Using Shadow GDI DIB winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 640 height 480 winFinishScreenInitFB () - Could not allocate frame buffer Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 Any ideas on what could be wrong? Thanks again for your time. Regards, Chris From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Thu May 10 08:32:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:32:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin (fwd) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:58:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Gottwald To: Christopher Stone Cc: Alexander Gottwald Subject: Re: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin On Wed, 9 May 2001, Christopher Stone wrote: > On Wednesday 09 May 2001 04:20 am, you wrote: > > On Tue, 8 May 2001, Christopher Stone wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > When I try to run XFree86 under win4lin it complains with some socket > > > error and asks me if I am already running an X server (which I am because > > > I am running win4lin)...is there anyway to run XFree86 for Cygwin under a > > > win4lin environment? > > > > Use the extra parameter ":1" or ":2" this will set up the server with > > display number ":1.0" instead of ":0.0" wich is already occupied by the > > linux xserver > > > Hi, thanks for responding! I tried Xwin.exe ":2" and got the following error: > > DuplicateHandle failed Win32 error 6DuplicateHandle failed Win32 error > 6_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw not installed > winSetEngine () - Using Shadow GDI DIB > winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 640 height 480 > winFinishScreenInitFB () - Could not allocate frame buffer > > Fatal server error: > Couldn't add screen 0 > > Any ideas on what could be wrong? Thanks again for your time. You still have to specify the screen: XWin :2 -screen 0 800x600x16 bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil Thu May 10 08:38:00 2001 From: plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil (Plaxton Jeffrey J CPT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:38:00 -0000 Subject: Error Starting X Message-ID: <777ABA385729D111A06600A0C948E59E0296ED17@lewisex17.lewis.army.mil> >> SNIP << Here is the output of cygcheck: $ cygcheck -s Cygnus Win95/NT Configuration Diagnostics Current System Time: Wed May 9 15:08:36 2001 WinNT Ver 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 1 Path: /usr/local/bin /usr/bin /bin /cygdrive/c/WINNT/system32 /cygdrive/c/WINNT /cygdrive/c/WINNT/system32/WBEM /cygdrive/c/DMI/bin /cygdrive/c/Program Files/Support Tools/ /cygdrive/d/Borland/BCC55/Bin /cygdrive/d/perl/win32 /usr/bin usr/share/postgresql/data usr/local/bin SysDir: C:\WINNT\System32 WinDir: C:\WINNT PWD = `/home/administrator' LD_LIBRARY_PATH = `/usr/lib' USER = `administrator' MAKE_MODE = `unix' HOME = `/home/administrator' Use `-r' to scan registry a: fd N/A N/A c: hd NTFS 4486Mb 39% CP CS UN PA FC d: hd NTFS 2047Mb 30% CP CS UN PA FC e: hd NTFS 3223Mb 22% CP CS UN PA FC f: cd N/A N/A h: net NTFS 976Mb 60% PA ??? D:\Cygwin\bin /usr/bin system binmode D:\Cygwin\lib /usr/lib system binmode D:\Cygwin / system binmode Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\bash.exe Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\cat.exe Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\cpp.exe Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\find.exe Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\gcc.exe Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\gdb.exe Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\ld.exe Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\ls.exe Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\make.exe Found: d:\Borland\BCC55\Bin\make.exe Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\sh.exe 56k 2000/12/03 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygbz21.0.dll 45k 2001/04/25 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygform5.dll 18k 2000/10/23 D:\Cygwin\bin\cyggdbm.dll 17k 2001/01/07 D:\Cygwin\bin\cyghistory4.dll 14k 2000/10/23 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygintl.dll 81k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygitcl30.dll 35k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygitk30.dll 45k 2000/10/22 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygjbig1.dll 119k 2000/10/23 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygjpeg6b.dll 26k 2001/04/25 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygmenu5.dll 156k 2001/04/25 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygncurses++5.dll 226k 2001/04/25 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygncurses5.dll 15k 2001/04/25 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygpanel5.dll 163k 2001/05/06 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygpng2.dll 108k 2001/01/07 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygreadline4.dll 390k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygtcl80.dll 5k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygtclpip80.dll 10k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygtclreg80.dll 243k 2000/10/23 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygtiff3.dll 623k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygtk80.dll 41k 2000/11/20 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygXpm-noX4.dll 45k 2000/11/20 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygXpm-X4.dll 49k 2001/02/03 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygz.dll 648k 2001/04/11 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygwin1.dll Cygwin DLL version info: dll major: 1003 dll minor: 0 dll epoch: 19 dll bad signal mask: 19005 dll old termios: 5 dll malloc env: 28 api major: 0 api minor: 34 shared data: 3 dll identifier: cygwin1 mount registry: 2 cygnus registry name: Cygnus Solutions cygwin registry name: Cygwin program options name: Program Options cygwin mount registry name: mounts v2 cygdrive flags: cygdrive flags cygdrive prefix: cygdrive prefix cygdrive default prefix: build date: Sat Feb 17 00:00:06 EST 2001 snapshot date: 2001-02-16-23:55-EST shared id: cygwin1S3 Use -h to see help about each section From vdibartolo@smallworld.com Thu May 10 08:55:00 2001 From: vdibartolo@smallworld.com (vdibartolo@smallworld.com) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:55:00 -0000 Subject: WindowMaker and XFree86 Message-ID: <200105101559.LAA10054@saltlake.dev.smallworld.com> All, I recently compiled WindowMaker 0.64.0 on my Windows NT 4.0 SP5 box using CygWin 1.3.1 and XFree86 4.03. I'm wondering if anyone has a similar setup as I have and is experiencing a couple of annoying glitches and some inoperability. To save time, here's a short list of things: 1. First and foremost, gcc crashed my Win98 machine when I tried to compile the libPropList required for WindowMaker, which is why I'm only using it on Winnt 2. WindowMaker doesn't consistently load the first time I run startxwin.bat. I usually have to execute startxwin.bat 2 times for it to "stick" (i.e. load). See the bottom of the email for the relevant lines in my startxwin.bat file. 3. When WindowMaker does come up, I get the following message: "wmsetbg warning: could not open domain file /home/administrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WindowMaker". This file exists and is readable (with proper case on each path element). 4. Any changes I make to my environment (e.g. adding workspaces, renaming them, adding docked icons) are saved to /home/adminstrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WMstate when I save them, but are not loaded when I restart WindowMaker for another session later. This and the above point (#3) seem to indicate that WindowMaker is having problems resolving the path to "/home" being that the filesystem is Windows and the path is more like "E:\cygwin\home". Sound likely? 5. Small but annoying - the "xterm" item on the WindowMaker right-click menu launches an xterm just file but I cannot rid myself of the xterm in any way other than killing it. This behavior is not shared by the rxvt term. If I dock an icon that launches xterm or otherwise open an xterm this problem goes away. Any help on any of these would be appreciated. I am assuming that these errors are particular to WindowMaker in CygWin otherwise I would have posted to a WindowMaker-specific list. Thanks again. -Vinny ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- startxwin.bat (REM'd lines removed): @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 SET PATH=.;%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\usr\local\bin start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 start wmaker& @echo on From duck@duckland.org Thu May 10 09:08:00 2001 From: duck@duckland.org (Don Duck Harper) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:08:00 -0000 Subject: WindowMaker and XFree86 References: <200105101559.LAA10054@saltlake.dev.smallworld.com> Message-ID: <20010510110812.B19578@duckland.org> On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:59:56AM -0400, vdibartolo@smallworld.com wrote to To cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com: :-) All, :-) :-) I recently compiled WindowMaker 0.64.0 on my Windows NT 4.0 SP5 box using CygWin 1.3.1 and XFree86 4.03. I'm wondering if anyone has a similar setup as I have and is experiencing a couple of annoying glitches and some inoperability. To save time, here's a short list of things: :-) :-) 1. First and foremost, gcc crashed my Win98 machine when I tried to compile the libPropList required for WindowMaker, which is why I'm only using it on Winnt :-) 2. WindowMaker doesn't consistently load the first time I run startxwin.bat. I usually have to execute startxwin.bat 2 times for it to "stick" (i.e. load). See the bottom of the email for the relevant lines in my startxwin.bat file. Which is why I start it from a bash script now. :) Works 100%. :-) 3. When WindowMaker does come up, I get the following message: "wmsetbg warning: could not open domain file /home/administrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WindowMaker". This file exists and is readable (with proper case on each path element). :-) 4. Any changes I make to my environment (e.g. adding workspaces, renaming them, adding docked icons) are saved to /home/adminstrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WMstate when I save them, but are not loaded when I restart WindowMaker for another session later. This and the above point (#3) seem to indicate that WindowMaker is having problems resolving the path to "/home" being that the filesystem is Windows and the path is more like "E:\cygwin\home". Sound likely? I donno...I can get theme changes, number of workspaces, which side the dock and icons are to stay, but not running applications. :( :-) 5. Small but annoying - the "xterm" item on the WindowMaker right-click menu launches an xterm just file but I cannot rid myself of the xterm in any way other than killing it. This behavior is not shared by the rxvt term. If I dock an icon that launches xterm or otherwise open an xterm this problem goes away. Yeah, but I like aterm better, so I compiled that, and now, no problems. :) -- Don Harper, RHCE, MCSE email: duck@duckland.org Just a systems kinda guy... http://www.duckland.org #!/usr/bin/perl -w # 531-byte qrpff-fast, Keith Winstein and Marc Horowitz # MPEG 2 PS VOB file on stdin -> descrambled output on stdout # arguments: title key bytes in least to most-significant order $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^$d>>4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval Actual English subtitles used in films made in Hong Kong: Beat him out of recognizable shape! From Suraj.Jaganmohanan@honeywell.com Thu May 10 09:17:00 2001 From: Suraj.Jaganmohanan@honeywell.com (Suraj, Jaganmohanan (IE10)) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:17:00 -0000 Subject: startxwin.bat error Message-ID: hi I downloaded the necessary files for X-server. When i tried to start x-server using startxwin.bat. I got a error saying that the procedure entry point getrlimit could not be located in the dll cygwin1.dll . Whats the reason for that? suraj From STEPHEN.BOVY@ca.com Thu May 10 10:15:00 2001 From: STEPHEN.BOVY@ca.com (Bovy, Stephen) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:15:00 -0000 Subject: XFce ??? Message-ID: <2D0C70C401A8D311A7CD009027AA3D7E05C89428@usilms06.ca.com> I noticed you have a screen-shot of XFce, and the startx.bat makes mention of xfce variables. Has someone ported xfce ??? Is a binary available ?????? From sjackman@home.com Thu May 10 11:16:00 2001 From: sjackman@home.com (Shaun Jackman) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:16:00 -0000 Subject: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) Message-ID: <20010510112737.A29012@quince> Xwin is running on Win98SE, the XDMCP host is running on Debian. $ Xwin -ac -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 -from 192.168.1.104 -query 192.168.1.101 _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 00000007 winSetEngine () - Using user's preference: 4 winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1018 height 737 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00ff0000 0000ff00 000000ff RGB 8 d 32 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy Fatal server error: XDMCP fatal error: Session declined No valid address I'd love to be able to use my M$ box as a dumb Xterm (seems fitting). What's going wrong here? From the mailing list archives I understand -query doesn't work with Win95, but it's supposed to work with Win98. Thanks, Shaun From jmarranz@dii.etsii.upm.es Thu May 10 11:46:00 2001 From: jmarranz@dii.etsii.upm.es (jmarranz@dii.etsii.upm.es) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:46:00 -0000 Subject: GNOME: good news / bad news Message-ID: <3AFAE291.8AF339FB@dii.etsii.upm.es> I 've got compile ALL *base* packages of GNOME standard distribution with cygwin 1.3.1 with a minor changes. But I couldn't compile *core* packages. I think GNOME boys may do a preliminary port (not perfect) with very few work. Cygwin is very mature now (pthreads is almost complete). It would be a big step to support Linux adoption without sacrifice many years of Windows inversion. Other big step: port Java JDK to cygwin (we could work remotely with X served with Windows machines). It????s necessary support the CGJ proyect and port to cygwin then. ************************************************* Jos???? Mar????a Arranz Santamar????a Laboratorio de Inform????tica ETSI Industriales - U. Polit????cnica de Madrid c/Jos???? Gutierrez Abascal, 2 CP 28006 Madrid, SPAIN e-mail: jmarranz@dii.etsii.upm.es Tlf: +34 91 336 30 72 Fax: +34 91 561 66 23 http://www.dii.etsii.upm.es ************************************************* From moser@decodon.com Thu May 10 11:54:00 2001 From: moser@decodon.com (Frank-Michael Moser) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:54:00 -0000 Subject: WindowMaker and XFree86 References: <200105101559.LAA10054@saltlake.dev.smallworld.com> Message-ID: <3AFAE3CC.20ED08CF@decodon.com> ... > 4. Any changes I make to my environment (e.g. adding workspaces, renaming them, > adding docked icons) are saved to /home/adminstrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WMstate > when I save them, but are not loaded when I restart WindowMaker for another > session later. This and the above point (#3) seem to indicate that WindowMaker > is having problems resolving the path to "/home" being that the filesystem is > Windows and the path is more like "E:\cygwin\home". Sound likely? This is again a CRLF-problem. I experienced the same problems and workarounded them by a trick. I guess the place where /home/adminstrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WMstate is a text-mount. So you have to ensure that when WMaker is closed all ~/GNUstep/Defaults/* files are converted from CRLF to CR back again to be readable by WMAKER. I did it by editing WMaker's exitscript. '~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/exitscript': type -p d2u > /dev/null && if [ -x "$(type -p d2u)" ] ; then d2u ~/GNUstep/Defaults/* d2u /usr/local/etc/WindowMaker/* fi > /dev/null 2> /dev/null > 5. ... aterm works fine for me, too. Frank-Michael. > -Vinny > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > startxwin.bat (REM'd lines removed): > > @echo off > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > SET PATH=.;%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\usr\local\bin > > start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 > start wmaker& > @echo on -- ------------------------------------------------------------ DECODON GmbH phone: +49(0)3834 515230 W.-Rathenau-Str. 49a fax: +49(0)3834 515239 17489 Greifswald email: moser@decodon.com Germany web: www.decodon.com ------------------------------------------------------------ From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Thu May 10 13:50:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:50:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin (fwd) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:52:49 -0700 From: Christopher Stone To: Alexander Gottwald Subject: Re: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin On Thursday 10 May 2001 04:58 am, you wrote: > On Wed, 9 May 2001, Christopher Stone wrote: > > On Wednesday 09 May 2001 04:20 am, you wrote: > > > On Tue, 8 May 2001, Christopher Stone wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > When I try to run XFree86 under win4lin it complains with some socket > > > > error and asks me if I am already running an X server (which I am > > > > because I am running win4lin)...is there anyway to run XFree86 for > > > > Cygwin under a win4lin environment? > > > > > > Use the extra parameter ":1" or ":2" this will set up the server with > > > display number ":1.0" instead of ":0.0" wich is already occupied by the > > > linux xserver > > > > Hi, thanks for responding! I tried Xwin.exe ":2" and got the following > > error: > > > > DuplicateHandle failed Win32 error 6DuplicateHandle failed Win32 error > > 6_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw not installed > > winSetEngine () - Using Shadow GDI DIB > > winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 640 height 480 > > winFinishScreenInitFB () - Could not allocate frame buffer > > > > Fatal server error: > > Couldn't add screen 0 > > > > Any ideas on what could be wrong? Thanks again for your time. > > You still have to specify the screen: > XWin :2 -screen 0 800x600x16 > Hi ago, sorry to keep bothering you, but I get the same error when I supply the -screen argument also: winFinishScreenInitFB () - Could not allocate frame buffer Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 I tried: XWin.exe :2 -screen 0 800x600x16 XWin.exe :2 -screen 1 800x600x16 XWin.exe :2 -screen 2 800x600x16 ...and many other combinations... all give the same error :( Regards, Chris From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Thu May 10 14:24:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:24:00 -0000 Subject: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) References: <20010510112737.A29012@quince> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 May 2001, Shaun Jackman wrote: > Xwin is running on Win98SE, the XDMCP host is running on Debian. > > $ Xwin -ac -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 -from > 192.168.1.104 -query 192.168.1.101 > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 00000007 > winSetEngine () - Using user's preference: 4 > winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1018 height 737 > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00ff0000 0000ff00 000000ff RGB 8 d 32 > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning > error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > > Fatal server error: > XDMCP fatal error: Session declined No valid address > > I'd love to be able to use my M$ box as a dumb Xterm (seems fitting). What's going wrong here? From the mailing list archives I understand -query doesn't work with Win95, but it's supposed to work with Win98. It must be something different. In investigating on it. Can you please run the binary from http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/XWin-emu3.exe.bz2 It has some extra output related to the xdmcp problem. There should be some lines like this: Xserver: DefineSelf(): ifname = eth0, addr = 192.168.26.214 can you ples send these lines and any information related to installed and configured network components (modems, network cards...) bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 10 14:29:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:29:00 -0000 Subject: XFce ??? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3725@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Look into contrib directory, please Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Bovy, Stephen [ mailto:STEPHEN.BOVY@ca.com ] > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:20 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@xfree.cygwin.com > Subject: XFce ??? > > > I noticed you have a screen-shot of XFce, and the > startx.bat makes mention of xfce variables. > > Has someone ported xfce ??? Is a binary available ?????? > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 10 14:30:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:30:00 -0000 Subject: startxwin.bat error Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3726@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Which version of Cygwin1.dll? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Suraj, Jaganmohanan (IE10) > [ mailto:Suraj.Jaganmohanan@honeywell.com ] > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:09 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@xfree.cygwin.com > Subject: startxwin.bat error > > > hi > I downloaded the necessary files for X-server. When i tried to start > x-server using startxwin.bat. I got a error saying > that the procedure entry point getrlimit could not be located > in the dll > cygwin1.dll . > Whats the reason for that? > suraj > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 10 14:34:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:34:00 -0000 Subject: Error Starting X Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3727@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Something is wrong with your cygwin1.dll? Could you try to reinstall it? Here is my output from cygcheck and compare it with yours? You dates and dll minor version does not match up. Are you sure are you using 1.3.1 and not 1.3.0? Suhaib "cygwin1.dll" v0.0 ts=2001/4/24 2 Cygwin DLL version info: dll major: 1003 dll minor: 1 dll epoch: 19 dll bad signal mask: 19005 dll old termios: 5 dll malloc env: 28 api major: 0 api minor: 38 shared data: 3 dll identifier: cygwin1 mount registry: 2 cygnus registry name: Cygnus Solutions cygwin registry name: Cygwin program options name: Program Options cygwin mount registry name: mounts v2 cygdrive flags: cygdrive flags cygdrive prefix: cygdrive prefix cygdrive default prefix: build date: Tue Apr 24 20:01:02 EDT 2001 shared id: cygwin1S3 > -----Original Message----- > From: Plaxton Jeffrey J CPT [ mailto:plaxtonj@lewis.army.mil ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:10 PM > To: Cygwin-Xfree-List (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Error Starting X > > > >> SNIP << > > Here is the output of cygcheck: > > $ cygcheck -s > > Cygnus Win95/NT Configuration Diagnostics > Current System Time: Wed May 9 15:08:36 2001 > > WinNT Ver 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 1 > > Path: /usr/local/bin > /usr/bin > /bin > /cygdrive/c/WINNT/system32 > /cygdrive/c/WINNT > /cygdrive/c/WINNT/system32/WBEM > /cygdrive/c/DMI/bin > /cygdrive/c/Program Files/Support Tools/ > /cygdrive/d/Borland/BCC55/Bin > /cygdrive/d/perl/win32 > /usr/bin > usr/share/postgresql/data > usr/local/bin > > SysDir: C:\WINNT\System32 > WinDir: C:\WINNT > > PWD = `/home/administrator' > LD_LIBRARY_PATH = `/usr/lib' > USER = `administrator' > MAKE_MODE = `unix' > HOME = `/home/administrator' > > Use `-r' to scan registry > > a: fd N/A N/A > c: hd NTFS 4486Mb 39% CP CS UN PA FC > d: hd NTFS 2047Mb 30% CP CS UN PA FC > e: hd NTFS 3223Mb 22% CP CS UN PA FC > f: cd N/A N/A > h: net NTFS 976Mb 60% PA ??? > > D:\Cygwin\bin /usr/bin system binmode > D:\Cygwin\lib /usr/lib system binmode > D:\Cygwin / system binmode > > Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\bash.exe > Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\cat.exe > Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\cpp.exe > Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\find.exe > Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\gcc.exe > Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\gdb.exe > Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\ld.exe > Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\ls.exe > Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\make.exe > Found: d:\Borland\BCC55\Bin\make.exe > Found: D:\Cygwin\bin\sh.exe > > 56k 2000/12/03 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygbz21.0.dll > 45k 2001/04/25 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygform5.dll > 18k 2000/10/23 D:\Cygwin\bin\cyggdbm.dll > 17k 2001/01/07 D:\Cygwin\bin\cyghistory4.dll > 14k 2000/10/23 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygintl.dll > 81k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygitcl30.dll > 35k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygitk30.dll > 45k 2000/10/22 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygjbig1.dll > 119k 2000/10/23 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygjpeg6b.dll > 26k 2001/04/25 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygmenu5.dll > 156k 2001/04/25 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygncurses++5.dll > 226k 2001/04/25 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygncurses5.dll > 15k 2001/04/25 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygpanel5.dll > 163k 2001/05/06 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygpng2.dll > 108k 2001/01/07 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygreadline4.dll > 390k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygtcl80.dll > 5k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygtclpip80.dll > 10k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygtclreg80.dll > 243k 2000/10/23 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygtiff3.dll > 623k 2001/04/28 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygtk80.dll > 41k 2000/11/20 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygXpm-noX4.dll > 45k 2000/11/20 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygXpm-X4.dll > 49k 2001/02/03 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygz.dll > 648k 2001/04/11 D:\Cygwin\bin\cygwin1.dll > Cygwin DLL version info: > dll major: 1003 > dll minor: 0 > dll epoch: 19 > dll bad signal mask: 19005 > dll old termios: 5 > dll malloc env: 28 > api major: 0 > api minor: 34 > shared data: 3 > dll identifier: cygwin1 > mount registry: 2 > cygnus registry name: Cygnus Solutions > cygwin registry name: Cygwin > program options name: Program Options > cygwin mount registry name: mounts v2 > cygdrive flags: cygdrive flags > cygdrive prefix: cygdrive prefix > cygdrive default prefix: > build date: Sat Feb 17 00:00:06 EST 2001 > snapshot date: 2001-02-16-23:55-EST > shared id: cygwin1S3 > > Use -h to see help about each section > From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 10 15:05:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:05:00 -0000 Subject: Script for create cygwin installer setup References: <001901c0d919$adb194c0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Message-ID: Ralf, Good work man. Currently we don't have anyone working on getting Cygwin/XFree86 to install with the Cygwin installer, so perhaps you would like to lead that effort? :) Just give us details of what you want to do and submit what you come up with. It will be really nice to get Cygwin/XFree86 to install with the Cygwin installer. Harold -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Ralf Habacker Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:23 AM To: Cygwin-Xfree Subject: Script for create cygwin installer setup Hi people, what do you think about using the cygwin installer for distributing the Xfree archives. (I have seen that cygwin installer V2.50 supports bzip2 archives) For distribution kde on cygwin with X I have created a script, which scans a directory and produces cygwin installer conform setup.ini files. Look at the examples. By the way, I suggest to standardize the used file names to simplify setup.ini creating. Any comments are welcome. Regards Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 10 15:08:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:08:00 -0000 Subject: Status of cygwin KDE project - beta version of dll based qt 2.3.0 library is running References: <000001c0d937$0a6c1ce0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Message-ID: Ralf, Great news again! Harold -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Ralf Habacker Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:53 AM To: Cygwin-Xfree Cc: Alan Hourihane Subject: AW: Status of cygwin KDE project - beta version of dll based qt 2.3.0 library is running The only switch is -shared, look at the makefile in the sample Regards Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > -----Urspr????ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Alan Hourihane [ mailto:alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk ] > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2001 11:42 > An: Ralf Habacker > Betreff: Re: Status of cygwin KDE project - beta version of dll based qt > 2.3.0 library is running > > On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 03:37:28PM +0200, Ralf Habacker wrote: > > Hi, > > I have check this too and my client programm runs > > > > $ ./client > > Dll sees var=123 > > we see var=123 > > setting var=456 > > Dll sees var=456 > > we see var=456 > > > > Dll sees var=90 > > we see var=90 > > > > Dll sees foo=9 > > we see foo=9 > > setting foo=19 > > Dll sees foo=19 > > we see foo=19 > > > > Calling dllimported function pointer: > > Dll sees foo=19 > > > Thanks Ralf. > > When you build KDE, are there any other options you pass to the linker > apart from -Wl,--imp-outlib,libxxx.a ? > > Do you enable '--enable-auto-image-base' or '--enable-dynamic' ? > > Alan. > From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 10 15:17:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:17:00 -0000 Subject: WindowMaker and XFree86 References: <200105101559.LAA10054@saltlake.dev.smallworld.com> Message-ID: Vinny, Well, I can see one thing in your startxwin.bat file that worries me: > start wmaker& I'm not sure what DOS is going to do with that '&' character... remember, running a batch file is not UNIX... it's DOS. Removing the & may cause WM to start reliably, but it probably won't fix any of your other problems. Harold -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of vdibartolo@smallworld.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:00 PM To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: WindowMaker and XFree86 All, I recently compiled WindowMaker 0.64.0 on my Windows NT 4.0 SP5 box using CygWin 1.3.1 and XFree86 4.03. I'm wondering if anyone has a similar setup as I have and is experiencing a couple of annoying glitches and some inoperability. To save time, here's a short list of things: 1. First and foremost, gcc crashed my Win98 machine when I tried to compile the libPropList required for WindowMaker, which is why I'm only using it on Winnt 2. WindowMaker doesn't consistently load the first time I run startxwin.bat. I usually have to execute startxwin.bat 2 times for it to "stick" (i.e. load). See the bottom of the email for the relevant lines in my startxwin.bat file. 3. When WindowMaker does come up, I get the following message: "wmsetbg warning: could not open domain file /home/administrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WindowMaker". This file exists and is readable (with proper case on each path element). 4. Any changes I make to my environment (e.g. adding workspaces, renaming them, adding docked icons) are saved to /home/adminstrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WMstate when I save them, but are not loaded when I restart WindowMaker for another session later. This and the above point (#3) seem to indicate that WindowMaker is having problems resolving the path to "/home" being that the filesystem is Windows and the path is more like "E:\cygwin\home". Sound likely? 5. Small but annoying - the "xterm" item on the WindowMaker right-click menu launches an xterm just file but I cannot rid myself of the xterm in any way other than killing it. This behavior is not shared by the rxvt term. If I dock an icon that launches xterm or otherwise open an xterm this problem goes away. Any help on any of these would be appreciated. I am assuming that these errors are particular to WindowMaker in CygWin otherwise I would have posted to a WindowMaker-specific list. Thanks again. -Vinny ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ startxwin.bat (REM'd lines removed): @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 SET PATH=.;%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\usr\local\bin start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 start wmaker& @echo on From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 10 15:20:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:20:00 -0000 Subject: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) References: <20010510112737.A29012@quince> Message-ID: Shaun, Did you use the -from parameter as documented in the User's Guide? The -from paramter is required by Cygwin/XFree86. http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/docs/howto/using-remote-session.html Harold -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Jackman Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:28 PM To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) Xwin is running on Win98SE, the XDMCP host is running on Debian. $ Xwin -ac -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 -from 192.168.1.104 -query 192.168.1.101 _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 00000007 winSetEngine () - Using user's preference: 4 winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1018 height 737 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00ff0000 0000ff00 000000ff RGB 8 d 32 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy Fatal server error: XDMCP fatal error: Session declined No valid address I'd love to be able to use my M$ box as a dumb Xterm (seems fitting). What's going wrong here? From the mailing list archives I understand -query doesn't work with Win95, but it's supposed to work with Win98. Thanks, Shaun From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 10 15:21:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:21:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin (fwd) References: Message-ID: Chris, Your problems have nothing to do with screen and/or display numbers. The real problem is indicated by the following line: > winFinishScreenInitFB () - Could not allocate frame buffer That means that one of the Win32 API calls that XWin.exe makes to allocate a GDI bitmap is failing... I need to add a few more failure messages to XWin.exe to figure out what is going on. You may still have problems with display and/or screen numbers after we get the frame buffer allocated, but we'll cross one bridge at a time. Harold -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Alexander Gottwald Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:34 AM To: XFree86/Cygwin Mailing list Subject: Re: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin (fwd) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:57:12 -0700 From: Christopher Stone To: Alexander Gottwald Subject: Re: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin On Wednesday 09 May 2001 04:20 am, you wrote: > On Tue, 7 May 2001, Christopher Stone wrote: > > Hello, > > > > When I try to run XFree86 under win4lin it complains with some socket > > error and asks me if I am already running an X server (which I am because > > I am running win4lin)...is there anyway to run XFree86 for Cygwin under a > > win4lin environment? > > Use the extra parameter ":1" or ":2" this will set up the server with > display number ":1.0" instead of ":0.0" wich is already occupied by the > linux xserver Hi, thanks for responding! I tried Xwin.exe ":2" and got the following error: DuplicateHandle failed Win32 error 6DuplicateHandle failed Win32 error 6_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw not installed winSetEngine () - Using Shadow GDI DIB winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 640 height 480 winFinishScreenInitFB () - Could not allocate frame buffer Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 Any ideas on what could be wrong? Thanks again for your time. Regards, Chris From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Fri May 11 00:13:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:13:00 -0000 Subject: Additional setup possibilities Message-ID: <001601c0d9ea$41c220f0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Hi, I have a question about integration of Xfree distribution and other graphical applications into the cygwin installer. The xfree distribution contains several packages like basics, fonts and many applications. Additional the kde package 1.1.2 for example contains libs/basics, games, utils and many applications too. Putting all this thing in one package result in a 27 MB archive for kde 1.1.2. I think, that isn't good. example xfree list (it has to be combined a little bitI): ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.0.3.tar.bz2 XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.0.3.tar.bz2 XFree86-CID-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-2-100dpi-fonts-4.0.3.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-2-75dpi-fonts-4.0.3.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-7-1-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-7-100dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-7-75dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-9-100dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-9-75dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-KOI8-R-100dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-KOI8-R-75dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-KOI8-R-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-PEX-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-Speedo-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-Type1-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-cyrillic-fonts-4.0.3.tar.bz2 XFree86-encodings-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-japanese-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-local-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-misc-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-util-fonts.tar.bz2 etc-x11-vtwm.tar.bz2 xfree86-vtwm-5.4.5a.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-DLLs.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-XClients.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-XWin.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-Xmh.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-Xnest.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-Xprt.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-Xterm.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-Xvfb.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-devel.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-twm.tar.bz2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- To integrate this into cygwin installer I see four ways: 1. Add all this packages to setup.ini, but this would result in a very long list of installable packages, which will not be very practible. 2. Another way it to implement categories. One for Cygwin base, one for Xfree, one for kde, one for gnome ...... For this an additional config file for categorie divided mirrors might be necessary. 3. The third way could be in using serveral installer for each categrory. For distribution xfree and other on top this may be a quick an dirty soution, but for the future this seems very bad to me too. 4. A fourth way could be using the rpm manager (available for cygwin) as basic packaging tool and Cygwin installer as windows frontend like yast do for suse linux. The advantage I see is that kpackage or other packager could although be used. Scripting in the package will be available for post install tasks an so on. (I have already used rpm to install source packages). Any comments are welcome. Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com From huntharo@msu.edu Fri May 11 00:24:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:24:00 -0000 Subject: Additional setup possibilities References: <001601c0d9ea$41c220f0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Message-ID: Ralf, I don't consider Cygwin/XFree86 having as many packages as Cygwin to be a problem... The server for Cygwin/XFree86 consists of only a few megabytes of data and executables, but several extras, such as xterm, xhost, additional fonts, additional window managers, etc. are desired. We should be fine as long as we group the X-related packages together with a common prefix. Harold -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Ralf Habacker Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 3:16 AM To: DJDelorie Cc: Cygwin; Cygwin-Xfree Subject: Additional setup possibilities Hi, I have a question about integration of Xfree distribution and other graphical applications into the cygwin installer. The xfree distribution contains several packages like basics, fonts and many applications. Additional the kde package 1.1.2 for example contains libs/basics, games, utils and many applications too. Putting all this thing in one package result in a 27 MB archive for kde 1.1.2. I think, that isn't good. example xfree list (it has to be combined a little bitI): ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.0.3.tar.bz2 XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.0.3.tar.bz2 XFree86-CID-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-2-100dpi-fonts-4.0.3.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-2-75dpi-fonts-4.0.3.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-7-1-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-7-100dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-7-75dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-9-100dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-9-75dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-ISO8859-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-KOI8-R-100dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-KOI8-R-75dpi-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-KOI8-R-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-PEX-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-Speedo-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-Type1-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-cyrillic-fonts-4.0.3.tar.bz2 XFree86-encodings-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-japanese-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-local-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-misc-fonts.tar.bz2 XFree86-util-fonts.tar.bz2 etc-x11-vtwm.tar.bz2 xfree86-vtwm-5.4.5a.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-DLLs.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-XClients.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-XWin.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-Xmh.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-Xnest.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-Xprt.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-Xterm.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-Xvfb.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-devel.tar.bz2 xfree86-4.0.3-twm.tar.bz2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- To integrate this into cygwin installer I see four ways: 1. Add all this packages to setup.ini, but this would result in a very long list of installable packages, which will not be very practible. 2. Another way it to implement categories. One for Cygwin base, one for Xfree, one for kde, one for gnome ...... For this an additional config file for categorie divided mirrors might be necessary. 3. The third way could be in using serveral installer for each categrory. For distribution xfree and other on top this may be a quick an dirty soution, but for the future this seems very bad to me too. 4. A fourth way could be using the rpm manager (available for cygwin) as basic packaging tool and Cygwin installer as windows frontend like yast do for suse linux. The advantage I see is that kpackage or other packager could although be used. Scripting in the package will be available for post install tasks an so on. (I have already used rpm to install source packages). Any comments are welcome. Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Fri May 11 01:51:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:51:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin (fwd) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:36:19 -0700 From: Christopher Stone To: Alexander Gottwald Subject: Re: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin On Thursday 10 May 2001 02:01 pm, you wrote: > Please try the following lines: > XWin :2 -screen 0 800x600x16 -engine 1 > XWin :2 -screen 0 800x600x16 -engine 2 > XWin :2 -screen 0 800x600x16 -engine 4 > > Since there is a huge emulation layer between linux and win4lin, some of > the graphic features from NT or 9x (don't know what win4lin claims to be) > may not be available. Hi, I tried all of these and they all give the same error as before :( winFinishScreenInitFB () - Could not allocate frame buffer Fatal server error: Couldn't add screen 0 win4lin only runs win 9x (no NT support). And ive got win95 installed under win4lin. Thanks again for trying to help..I have a feeling we have exhausted all options :( win4lin 3 is coming out soon and I will get a free upgrade, I can try again with win4lin 3.0 and let you know if its any better... If you like, I can try compiling a debug version of cygwin-X and getting debug info if you need...id be willing to help all I can to get it working for win4lin...it may take me some time, but just let me know...or if you got another suggestion to try let me know also. Thanks again, Chris From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Fri May 11 01:56:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:56:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin References: <0105101436190J.08397@bagend> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 May 2001, Christopher Stone wrote: > On Thursday 10 May 2001 02:01 pm, you wrote: > > Please try the following lines: > > XWin :2 -screen 0 800x600x16 -engine 1 > > XWin :2 -screen 0 800x600x16 -engine 2 > > XWin :2 -screen 0 800x600x16 -engine 4 > > > > Since there is a huge emulation layer between linux and win4lin, some of > > the graphic features from NT or 9x (don't know what win4lin claims to be) > > may not be available. > > Hi, > > I tried all of these and they all give the same error as before :( > > winFinishScreenInitFB () - Could not allocate frame buffer > > Fatal server error: > Couldn't add screen 0 > > win4lin only runs win 9x (no NT support). And ive got win95 installed under > win4lin. > > Thanks again for trying to help..I have a feeling we have exhausted all > options :( win4lin 3 is coming out soon and I will get a free upgrade, I > can try again with win4lin 3.0 and let you know if its any better... > > If you like, I can try compiling a debug version of cygwin-X and getting > debug info if you need...id be willing to help all I can to get it working > for win4lin...it may take me some time, but just let me know...or if you got > another suggestion to try let me know also. > Just a question? Why do you want to run XWin in win4lin. Any program that might want to connect to XWin can connect to the linux XServer, which is much faster (I count at least 3 additional abstraction layers in XWin on win4lin : win4lin, win32, cygwin) bye ago BTW: Please keep the mails cc'ed to the Cygwin/Xfree ML -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From tkmame@retrogames.com Fri May 11 02:26:00 2001 From: tkmame@retrogames.com (Christopher Stone) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:26:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin References: Message-ID: <0105110224300P.08397@bagend> On Friday 11 May 2001 01:57 am, you wrote: > Just a question? Why do you want to run XWin in win4lin. Any program that > might want to connect to XWin can connect to the linux XServer, which is > much faster (I count at least 3 additional abstraction layers in XWin on > win4lin : win4lin, win32, cygwin) Why? That's easy, I want to develop my cross-platform applications using an xterm! the damn cygwin windows doesnt have a scroll bar >:( other than that there is no pressing need for me to run X under win4lin except for the sheer coolness of it. I certainly dont want the cygwin/X code to be riddled with #ifdefs and hacks in order to get it to run under win4lin. But if there is a simple fix and/or work-around, I would be delighted to help discover it. Regards, Chris (please CC replys to this message to my email, thx) From Joerg.Schaible@gft.com Fri May 11 02:37:00 2001 From: Joerg.Schaible@gft.com (Schaible, Jörg) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:37:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin Message-ID: Hi Chris, >Why? That's easy, I want to develop my cross-platform >applications using an >xterm! the damn cygwin windows doesnt have a scroll bar >:( since the Cygwin console is a normal Windows console with normal Windows console functionality, you have just to open the properties of the console and increase the buffer to any value you like. Greetings, J????rg From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Fri May 11 03:04:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:04:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin References: Message-ID: <008a01c0da01$82d20bc0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Or download the cmd.exe and consize package Chuck just announced on the cygwin list. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schaible, J????rg" To: "XFree86/Cygwin Mailing list" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: RE: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin Hi Chris, >Why? That's easy, I want to develop my cross-platform >applications using an >xterm! the damn cygwin windows doesnt have a scroll bar >:( since the Cygwin console is a normal Windows console with normal Windows console functionality, you have just to open the properties of the console and increase the buffer to any value you like. Greetings, J????rg From lcapiez@prosodie.com Fri May 11 03:33:00 2001 From: lcapiez@prosodie.com (Capiez Lionel) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:33:00 -0000 Subject: WindowMaker and XFree86 Message-ID: <9F92926E70B1D2119EFF0008C74C411F02FE400E@multimedia.prosodie.com> Hello, As a coincidence, I also tried to compile WindowMaker yesterday. However, being new at Cygwin/Xfree86, I got stuck at the libPropList stage. Could you please tell me where you got libPropList from and how you got it to compile? (should anything trickier that a "make" be involved) Thanks in advance. Lionel -- PROSODIE [ http://www.prosodie.com ] Lionel Capiez -- lcapiez@prosodie.com -- (+33) 4 72 80 72 28 -----Message d'origine----- De : vdibartolo@smallworld.com [ mailto:vdibartolo@smallworld.com ] Envoy???? : jeudi 10 mai 2001 18:00 ???? : cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com Objet : WindowMaker and XFree86 All, I recently compiled WindowMaker 0.64.0 on my Windows NT 4.0 SP5 box using CygWin 1.3.1 and XFree86 4.03. I'm wondering if anyone has a similar setup as I have and is experiencing a couple of annoying glitches and some inoperability. To save time, here's a short list of things: 1. First and foremost, gcc crashed my Win98 machine when I tried to compile the libPropList required for WindowMaker, which is why I'm only using it on Winnt 2. WindowMaker doesn't consistently load the first time I run startxwin.bat. I usually have to execute startxwin.bat 2 times for it to "stick" (i.e. load). See the bottom of the email for the relevant lines in my startxwin.bat file. 3. When WindowMaker does come up, I get the following message: "wmsetbg warning: could not open domain file /home/administrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WindowMaker". This file exists and is readable (with proper case on each path element). 4. Any changes I make to my environment (e.g. adding workspaces, renaming them, adding docked icons) are saved to /home/adminstrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WMstate when I save them, but are not loaded when I restart WindowMaker for another session later. This and the above point (#3) seem to indicate that WindowMaker is having problems resolving the path to "/home" being that the filesystem is Windows and the path is more like "E:\cygwin\home". Sound likely? 5. Small but annoying - the "xterm" item on the WindowMaker right-click menu launches an xterm just file but I cannot rid myself of the xterm in any way other than killing it. This behavior is not shared by the rxvt term. If I dock an icon that launches xterm or otherwise open an xterm this problem goes away. Any help on any of these would be appreciated. I am assuming that these errors are particular to WindowMaker in CygWin otherwise I would have posted to a WindowMaker-specific list. Thanks again. -Vinny ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ startxwin.bat (REM'd lines removed): @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 SET PATH=.;%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\usr\local\bin start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 start wmaker& @echo on From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 11 03:37:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:37:00 -0000 Subject: WindowMaker and XFree86 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C3729@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> I copied the Libproplist code from Red Hat Linux SRPMS disks. It compile out of the box. You can do internet search and download it. I do not know the URL. BTW: I think LibPropList is also available from WindowsMaker Home Page. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Capiez Lionel [ mailto:lcapiez@prosodie.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:32 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: RE: WindowMaker and XFree86 > > > Hello, > > As a coincidence, I also tried to compile WindowMaker > yesterday. However, > being new at Cygwin/Xfree86, I got stuck at the libPropList > stage. Could you > please tell me where you got libPropList from and how you got > it to compile? > (should anything trickier that a "make" be involved) > > Thanks in advance. > > Lionel > > -- > PROSODIE [ http://www.prosodie.com ] > Lionel Capiez -- lcapiez@prosodie.com -- (+33) 4 72 80 72 28 > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : vdibartolo@smallworld.com [ mailto:vdibartolo@smallworld.com ] > Envoy???? : jeudi 10 mai 2001 18:00 > ???? : cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Objet : WindowMaker and XFree86 > > > All, > > I recently compiled WindowMaker 0.64.0 on my Windows NT > 4.0 SP5 box > using CygWin 1.3.1 and XFree86 4.03. I'm wondering if anyone > has a similar > setup as I have and is experiencing a couple of annoying > glitches and some > inoperability. To save time, here's a short list of things: > > 1. First and foremost, gcc crashed my Win98 machine > when I tried to > compile the libPropList required for WindowMaker, which is > why I'm only > using it on Winnt > 2. WindowMaker doesn't consistently load the first time I run > startxwin.bat. I usually have to execute startxwin.bat 2 > times for it to > "stick" (i.e. load). See the bottom of the email for the > relevant lines in > my startxwin.bat file. > 3. When WindowMaker does come up, I get the following message: > "wmsetbg warning: could not open domain file > /home/administrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WindowMaker". This file > exists and is > readable (with proper case on each path element). > 4. Any changes I make to my environment (e.g. adding > workspaces, > renaming them, adding docked icons) are saved to > /home/adminstrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WMstate when I save them, > but are not > loaded when I restart WindowMaker for another session later. > This and the > above point (#3) seem to indicate that WindowMaker is having problems > resolving the path to "/home" being that the filesystem is > Windows and the > path is more like "E:\cygwin\home". Sound likely? > 5. Small but annoying - the "xterm" item on the WindowMaker > right-click menu launches an xterm just file but I cannot rid > myself of the > xterm in any way other than killing it. This behavior is not > shared by the > rxvt term. If I dock an icon that launches xterm or > otherwise open an xterm > this problem goes away. > > Any help on any of these would be appreciated. I am > assuming that > these errors are particular to WindowMaker in CygWin > otherwise I would have > posted to a WindowMaker-specific list. Thanks again. > > -Vinny > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ------------ > > startxwin.bat (REM'd lines removed): > > @echo off > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > SET > PATH=.;%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\usr\local\bin > > start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel > 0 -engine 4 > start wmaker& > @echo on > From kmuthu@hotmail.com Fri May 11 03:53:00 2001 From: kmuthu@hotmail.com (Muthukumar G) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:53:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 on win95/98 Message-ID: > > Thanks for the pointer. After this, I checked my win98 color > settings. >It > was set to 8 bit color. I was getting stackdump when I tried > to >start XWin > in 16 bit color (while win98 was in 8 bit color). When I > >corrected my win98 >to 16 bit color, it started working fine in windowed >mode. > > > > BTW, XDMCP error on win95 is still there. > > >Are you behind a firewall or VPN, as discussed in FAQ? > >Suhaib No. The machines are on the same LAN. Regards, Muthu _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . From kmuthu@hotmail.com Fri May 11 05:14:00 2001 From: kmuthu@hotmail.com (Muthukumar G) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 05:14:00 -0000 Subject: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) Message-ID: Hi Ago, I tried running the XWin.exe (which you mentioned) on my WIN95 (NOT WIN98) box and this is what I got: D:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin>xwin-emu3 -screen 0 1024x768x16 -from 192.84.36.146 -query 192.84.36.6 InitConnectionLimits: MaxClients = 31 _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root Xserver: DefineSelf(): ifname = lo, addr = 127.0.0.1 get_xdmcp_sock: binding xdmcp socket to addr 192.84.36.146:0 winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 00000003 winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1018 height 714 winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Masks: 00007c00 000003e0 0000001f bpRGB: 5 winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Returning Fatal server error: XDMCP fatal error: Session declined No valid address In case this helps in getting the problem fixed ... (though you did not tell me to try this). The NIC is Intel EtherExpress Pro/100 Regards, Muthu _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 11 05:49:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 05:49:00 -0000 Subject: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C372A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Can you ping from your Win9x box to 192.84.36.146? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Muthukumar G [ mailto:kmuthu@hotmail.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:14 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) > > > Hi Ago, > > I tried running the XWin.exe (which you mentioned) on my > WIN95 (NOT > WIN98) box and this is what I got: > > D:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin>xwin-emu3 -screen 0 1024x768x16 -from > 192.84.36.146 > -query 192.84.36.6 > InitConnectionLimits: MaxClients = 31 > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > Xserver: DefineSelf(): ifname = lo, addr = 127.0.0.1 > get_xdmcp_sock: binding xdmcp socket to addr 192.84.36.146:0 > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 00000003 > winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw > winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1018 > height 714 > winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Masks: 00007c00 000003e0 0000001f bpRGB: 5 > winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Returning > > Fatal server error: > XDMCP fatal error: Session declined No valid address > > In case this helps in getting the problem fixed ... > (though you did not > tell me to try this). The NIC is Intel EtherExpress Pro/100 > > Regards, > Muthu > > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . From kmuthu@hotmail.com Fri May 11 06:42:00 2001 From: kmuthu@hotmail.com (Muthukumar G) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 06:42:00 -0000 Subject: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) Message-ID: >Can you ping from your Win9x box to 192.84.36.146? >Suhaib Yes. I can. As I mentioned in my another mail, both the machines are on the same LAN. Regards, Muthu PS: 192.84.36.146 is my win95 box > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Muthukumar G [ mailto:kmuthu@hotmail.com ] > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:14 AM > > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > > Subject: Re: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) > > > > Hi Ago, > > > > I tried running the XWin.exe (which you mentioned) on my > WIN95 (NOT > > WIN98) box and this is what I got: > > > > D:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin>xwin-emu3 -screen 0 1024x768x16 -from > >192.84.36.146 > -query 192.84.36.6 > > InitConnectionLimits: MaxClients = 31 > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > > Xserver: DefineSelf(): ifname = lo, addr = 127.0.0.1 > > get_xdmcp_sock: binding xdmcp socket to addr 192.84.36.146:0 > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000003 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . From vdibartolo@smallworld.com Fri May 11 07:45:00 2001 From: vdibartolo@smallworld.com (vdibartolo@smallworld.com) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:45:00 -0000 Subject: WindowMaker and XFree86 Message-ID: <200105111450.KAA16638@saltlake.dev.smallworld.com> Harold, I thought this strange too, but picked it out of a previous post concerning WindowMaker in the archives. It certainly doesn't seem to hurt too much either way :) I can refer you to the article if you like. I did a search for WindowMaker and poked through everything that came up. -Vinny >>Vinny, >>Well, I can see one thing in your startxwin.bat file that worries me: >> start wmaker& >>I'm not sure what DOS is going to do with that '&' character... remember, >>running a batch file is not UNIX... it's DOS. Removing the & may cause WM >>to start reliably, but it probably won't fix any of your other problems. >>Harold From cgf@redhat.com Fri May 11 07:47:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:47:00 -0000 Subject: Additional setup possibilities References: <001601c0d9ea$41c220f0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Message-ID: <20010511104556.C25095@redhat.com> On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 09:16:11AM +0200, Ralf Habacker wrote: >To integrate this into cygwin installer I see four ways: > >1. Add all this packages to setup.ini, but this would result in a very long >list of installable packages, which will not be very practible. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg00082.html cgf From dj@redhat.com Fri May 11 09:42:00 2001 From: dj@redhat.com (DJ Delorie) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:42:00 -0000 Subject: Additional setup possibilities References: <001601c0d9ea$41c220f0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Message-ID: <200105111642.MAA13641@greed.delorie.com> > 2. Another way it to implement categories. One for Cygwin base, one for > Xfree, one for kde, one for gnome ...... For this an additional config file > for categorie divided mirrors might be necessary. This is the preferred option, and has been discussed in the past, but so far nobody has changed setup to support this. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 11 09:57:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:57:00 -0000 Subject: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C372C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Your error, "Address not valid" points to TCP.IP issue at your workstation. BTW: the ip trafic from the same LAN can still be redirected to a firewall. It depends upon how your netk administrators configure it. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Muthukumar G [ mailto:kmuthu@hotmail.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 9:42 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: RE: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) > > > >Can you ping from your Win9x box to 192.84.36.146? > > >Suhaib > > Yes. I can. As I mentioned in my another mail, both the > machines are on the > same LAN. > > Regards, > Muthu > > PS: > > 192.84.36.146 is my win95 box > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Muthukumar G [ mailto:kmuthu@hotmail.com ] > > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:14 AM > > > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > > > Subject: Re: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) > > > > > > > Hi Ago, > > > > > > I tried running the XWin.exe (which you mentioned) on > my > WIN95 (NOT > > > WIN98) box and this is what I got: > > > > > > D:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin>xwin-emu3 -screen 0 1024x768x16 -from > > >192.84.36.146 > -query 192.84.36.6 > > > InitConnectionLimits: MaxClients = 31 > > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > > > Xserver: DefineSelf(): ifname = lo, addr = 127.0.0.1 > > > get_xdmcp_sock: binding xdmcp socket to addr 192.84.36.146:0 > > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me > > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported > engines 0000003 > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com . From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Fri May 11 10:44:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:44:00 -0000 Subject: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) References: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 May 2001, Muthukumar G wrote: > Hi Ago, > > I tried running the XWin.exe (which you mentioned) on my WIN95 (NOT > WIN98) box and this is what I got: > > D:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin>xwin-emu3 -screen 0 1024x768x16 -from 192.84.36.146 > -query 192.84.36.6 > InitConnectionLimits: MaxClients = 31 > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > Xserver: DefineSelf(): ifname = lo, addr = 127.0.0.1 Here is the main problem. On server initialization, all known interfaces are registered to xdmcp. Normally there would be at least two other entries with ifname = eth0. The error seems to be in a cygwin ioctl function. The code which calls t is in os/access.c and is (roughly) this. int fd = fopen("/dev/ip",O_RDWR, 0); ifnet.ib_next=1; while (ifnet.ib_next) { str.ic_cmd = IPIOC_GETIPB; str.ic_dp = (char *) &ifnet; ioctl(fd,I_STR, &str); } In some cases, the ioctl will only work for the loopback device. Maybe some of those who are familar with the cygwin network code can give me a hint. > get_xdmcp_sock: binding xdmcp socket to addr 192.84.36.146:0 > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 00000003 > winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw > winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1018 height 714 > winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Masks: 00007c00 000003e0 0000001f bpRGB: 5 > winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Returning > > Fatal server error: > XDMCP fatal error: Session declined No valid address > > In case this helps in getting the problem fixed ... (though you did not > tell me to try this). The NIC is Intel EtherExpress Pro/100 -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From tkmame@retrogames.com Fri May 11 11:48:00 2001 From: tkmame@retrogames.com (Christopher Stone) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:48:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin References: <008a01c0da01$82d20bc0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <0105111035590R.08397@bagend> On Friday 11 May 2001 03:02 am, Robert Collins wrote: > Or download the cmd.exe and consize package Chuck just announced on the > cygwin list. I could not find any such beast on the cygwin home page...care to provide a URL? From tkmame@retrogames.com Fri May 11 11:48:00 2001 From: tkmame@retrogames.com (Christopher Stone) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:48:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86/Cygwin under win4lin References: Message-ID: <0105111030210Q.08397@bagend> On Friday 11 May 2001 02:37 am, Schaible, J????rg wrote: > Hi Chris, > > >Why? That's easy, I want to develop my cross-platform > >applications using an > >xterm! the damn cygwin windows doesnt have a scroll bar >:( > > since the Cygwin console is a normal Windows console with normal Windows > console functionality, you have just to open the properties of the console > and increase the buffer to any value you like. Huh? Am I missing somehting? I get the option of 25, 43 or 50 lines, and all it does is increase the size of the box...I hardly call this any value I like, and it still does not give me a scrollbar... Regards, Chris From mleisner@eng.mc.xerox.com Fri May 11 12:47:00 2001 From: mleisner@eng.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:47:00 -0000 Subject: bad links Message-ID: <200105111947.PAA15537@mailhost.eng.mc.xerox.com> On http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/devel/ there are links to several books including http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/XWINSYS.pdf They aren't present anymore... Is Harold Hunt's Cygwin/XFree86 users guide available in a printable (non-html) format? marty mleisner@eng.mc.xerox.com Don't confuse education with schooling. Milton Friedman to Yogi Berra From dreiland@hotmail.com Fri May 11 13:39:00 2001 From: dreiland@hotmail.com (Doug Reiland) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:39:00 -0000 Subject: startx problem Message-ID: I just downloaded the lastest binaries, and installed as documented in the user guide, but I am having problems using startxwin.bat and startx. My problem appears to the same one Ken posted to this list (subject: startx) about a month ago. I did not see a resolution to the problem on that thread. I'll talk about startx since I get some output. It looks like the server is starting up. I get a grey box, and ps -ef shows it running. However, xinit keeps printing an error message ".... accept failed". Of course, everything I try to run (i.e. xterm ) complains about which display to use. I was getting some errors/warning out of xinit. One about the CIDs fonts missing, and one about the SecurityPolicy file missing. These were not listed as required downloads so I did not grab them at first. After downloading and installing the CIDs fonts, that error message goes away. I grab the SecurityPolicy file I noticed with the another tar.bz2 files. With that SecurityPolicy file installed, xinit gives an error/warning about the SecurityPolicy file being the wrong version. I don't know if that has anything to do with my real problem. I am using Windows 98 SE. Thanks in advance, Doug _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Suraj.Jaganmohanan@honeywell.com Fri May 11 22:29:00 2001 From: Suraj.Jaganmohanan@honeywell.com (Suraj, Jaganmohanan (IE10)) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:29:00 -0000 Subject: startxwin.bat error Message-ID: The version of cygwin1.dll is 1.1.7. > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [SMTP:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com] > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 3:00 AM > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > Subject: RE: startxwin.bat error > > > Which version of Cygwin1.dll? > > Suhaib > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Suraj, Jaganmohanan (IE10) > > [ mailto:Suraj.Jaganmohanan@honeywell.com ] > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:09 PM > > To: cygwin-xfree@xfree.cygwin.com > > Subject: startxwin.bat error > > > > > > hi > > I downloaded the necessary files for X-server. When i tried to start > > x-server using startxwin.bat. I got a error saying > > that the procedure entry point getrlimit could not be located > > in the dll > > cygwin1.dll . > > Whats the reason for that? > > suraj > > From huntharo@msu.edu Fri May 11 23:08:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:08:00 -0000 Subject: startxwin.bat error References: Message-ID: You need to run the Cygwin setup.exe to update to the latest version, which happens to be 1.3.1. Harold -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Suraj, Jaganmohanan (IE10) Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 1:21 AM To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' Subject: RE: startxwin.bat error The version of cygwin1.dll is 1.1.7. > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [SMTP:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com] > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 3:00 AM > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > Subject: RE: startxwin.bat error > > > Which version of Cygwin1.dll? > > Suhaib > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Suraj, Jaganmohanan (IE10) > > [ mailto:Suraj.Jaganmohanan@honeywell.com ] > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:09 PM > > To: cygwin-xfree@xfree.cygwin.com > > Subject: startxwin.bat error > > > > > > hi > > I downloaded the necessary files for X-server. When i tried to start > > x-server using startxwin.bat. I got a error saying > > that the procedure entry point getrlimit could not be located > > in the dll > > cygwin1.dll . > > Whats the reason for that? > > suraj > > From mathezer@yahoo.com Sat May 12 17:14:00 2001 From: mathezer@yahoo.com (Stephen Mathezer) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:14:00 -0000 Subject: Windows ME Can't open display 127.0.0.1:0.0 Message-ID: I am posting this for a friend who is without email access at the moment. This is with Cygwin + XFree downloaded today (1.3.1) The short story is that the windows manager dies because it can't open the display. "Can't open display: 127.0.0.1:0.0" We have tried this with DISPLAY set to 127.0.0.1:0.0 as well as the ethernet IP address and the machine name. 127.0.0.1 is in the hosts file with both localhost and `hostname` as associated names. XWin.exe itself does start, we get the grey background with the little black X mouse cursor. The really goofy thing is that if we start XWin with -ac then it is possible to run twm and xterm from a Solaris box with -display cygwinbox:0.0 and that works fine. Telnet localhost 6000 also connects. Any Xwindows application run locally fails with Can't open display: 127.0.0.1:0.0. /tmp does exist and there is a socket at /tmp/.X11-unix/S0 Oh yeah, we also updated to DirectX 8a Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks -Steve _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cwilson@ece.gatech.edu Sun May 13 00:44:00 2001 From: cwilson@ece.gatech.edu (Charles S. Wilson) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:44:00 -0000 Subject: [ANN] CygUtils updates Message-ID: <3AFE3BA2.12EEBAA7@ece.gatech.edu> Now that Steve O. has contributed rxvt to the official dist, AND I've been informed that the cygwin-xfree dist contains the freetype libraries, 1) CygUtils' rxvt package is obsolete 2) CygUtils' freetype package is (mostly) obsolete (*) 3) CygUtils' "usr-local" package is obsolete (everything that was in it is now available directly from sourceware in official packages or from cygwin-xfree) So, I've updated the web pages at CygUtils to reflect that, and I've updated the "RemoveObsoletePackages" tool to assist you in removing any vestiges of the CygUtils usr-local stuff from your system. CygUtils is http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/users/cwilson/cygutils/V1.1/ (*) As far as I can tell, the cygwin-xfree dist does not contain the utility programs from freetype, so I created an "executables-only" dist for freetype so that you can get those programs without messing up your cygwin-xfree installation. --Chuck From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Sun May 13 07:39:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 07:39:00 -0000 Subject: XDMCP No valid address (Win98SE) References: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 May 2001, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > Here is the main problem. On server initialization, all known interfaces > are registered to xdmcp. Normally there would be at least two other entries > with ifname = eth0. > The error seems to be in a cygwin ioctl function. The code which calls > t is in os/access.c and is (roughly) this. > > int fd = fopen("/dev/ip",O_RDWR, 0); > ifnet.ib_next=1; > while (ifnet.ib_next) { > str.ic_cmd = IPIOC_GETIPB; > str.ic_dp = (char *) &ifnet; > ioctl(fd,I_STR, &str); > } I just checked the code and noticed, I've looked in the wrong place. The real iterface detection code is based on ioctl(fd,SIOCGIFCONF,pointer). > > In some cases, the ioctl will only work for the loopback device. Maybe some > of those who are familar with the cygwin network code can give me a hint. -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From jlamoree@nextron.com Mon May 14 10:50:00 2001 From: jlamoree@nextron.com (Joseph Lamoree) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:50:00 -0000 Subject: Clipboard hack? Message-ID: There have recently been messages to the list about cut-n-paste from/to X and Win32. I see that it's no trivial task and it might be worked on in the future. However, is there any trick or kludge to getting some kind of clipboard support working with the current distribution? Even if it wasn't pretty, it would be very helpful to me. Thanks. -joseph From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon May 14 14:51:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:51:00 -0000 Subject: Clipboard hack? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A1F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> At the moment cut and paste between x and win32 is not possible, not even through a Ugly hack... Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Lamoree [ mailto:jlamoree@nextron.com ] > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:51 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Clipboard hack? > > > There have recently been messages to the list about > cut-n-paste from/to X and Win32. I see that it's no trivial > task and it might be worked on in the future. However, is > there any trick or kludge to getting some kind of clipboard > support working with the current distribution? Even if it > wasn't pretty, it would be very helpful to me. > > Thanks. > > -joseph > From cabo@tzi.org Tue May 15 01:35:00 2001 From: cabo@tzi.org (Dr. Carsten Bormann) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 01:35:00 -0000 Subject: Clipboard hack? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A1F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > At the moment cut and paste between x and win32 is not possible, not even > through a Ugly hack... I don't know whether a little gadget that has controls to copy between /dev/clipboard and the selection would be an ugly hack, but it sure is possible. It's trivial, I just don't have time to write it... Gruesse, Carsten From ronald.hecht@gmx.de Tue May 15 03:41:00 2001 From: ronald.hecht@gmx.de (Ronald Hecht) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:41:00 -0000 Subject: dt-fonts Message-ID: <3B010A62.B12E9564@gmx.de> Hello, When using XWin (Test-Version23) I'm getting the following error: X-Resource: DefaultGUIFontSpec (-dt-interface system-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*,) does not fully specify a font set for this locale X Server Error, Message reported is: BadMatch with a soloaris application, which exits immediately after that. Any hints? Ronald From mMaassen@bsp-brainware.com Tue May 15 05:32:00 2001 From: mMaassen@bsp-brainware.com (Marco Maassen) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:32:00 -0000 Subject: XTerm: Cannot open display ... Message-ID: <41ED3F92EF1BD21188F200A0244AAD2ED991@bsp-server-01.bsp-brainware.com> Hello as I see, I have the same problem as many others: the X-server starts normaly, xterm says Cannot open display 127.0.0.1:0.0. On my machine runs W2K (Build 2195), Cygwin 1.3.1 and XFree 4.0.3. Environment: OS=Window_NT What's wrong? Cheers Marco From znmeb@aracnet.com Tue May 15 06:38:00 2001 From: znmeb@aracnet.com (M. Edward Borasky) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:38:00 -0000 Subject: Is the XFree server down? Message-ID: I've been trying to connect to the XFree86 server for four days now and have yet to accomplish a connection. Is it down? Gone? -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky, Chief Scientist, Borasky Research http://www.borasky-research.net http://www.aracnet.com/~znmeb mailto:znmeb@borasky-research.com mailto:znmeb@aracnet.com If there's nothing to astrology, how come so many famous men were born on holidays? From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 15 06:40:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:40:00 -0000 Subject: Is the XFree server down? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A22@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Try one of the mirrors please > -----Original Message----- > From: M. Edward Borasky [ mailto:znmeb@aracnet.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:39 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Is the XFree server down? > > > I've been trying to connect to the XFree86 server for four > days now and have yet to accomplish a connection. Is it down? Gone? > > -- > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky, Chief Scientist, Borasky Research http://www.borasky-research.net http://www.aracnet.com/~znmeb mailto:znmeb@borasky-research.com mailto:znmeb@aracnet.com If there's nothing to astrology, how come so many famous men were born on holidays? From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 15 06:45:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:45:00 -0000 Subject: Is the XFree server down? References: Message-ID: Are you referring to xfree86.org? Yes, it has been down for several days. Here is Google's cached version of the mirrors list for xfree86.org: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:0c179e426976ec84:www.xfree86.org/MIRROR S.shtml+xfree86+mirrors&hl=en You'll have to cut and paste both lines of that URL, as I'm sure that the mailer software is going to line-wrap it... Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of M. Edward > Borasky > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:39 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Is the XFree server down? > > > I've been trying to connect to the XFree86 server for four days > now and have > yet to accomplish a connection. Is it down? Gone? > > -- > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky, Chief Scientist, Borasky Research > http://www.borasky-research.net http://www.aracnet.com/~znmeb > mailto:znmeb@borasky-research.com mailto:znmeb@aracnet.com > > If there's nothing to astrology, how come so many famous men were born on > holidays? > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 15 06:46:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:46:00 -0000 Subject: Is the XFree server down? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A23@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> You are looking at the wrong URL... Check under mirrors at http://xfree86.cygwin.com Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: M. Edward Borasky [ mailto:znmeb@aracnet.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:46 AM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Subject: RE: Is the XFree server down? > > > Where is the list of mirrors? All the web searches point to > www.xfree86.org, which is down. > > -- > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky, Chief Scientist, Borasky Research > http://www.borasky-research.net http://www.aracnet.com/~znmeb mailto:znmeb@borasky-research.com mailto:znmeb@aracnet.com If there's nothing to astrology, how come so many famous men were born on holidays? > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Suhaib > Siddiqi > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:40 AM > To: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > Subject: RE: Is the XFree server down? > > > Try one of the mirrors please > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: M. Edward Borasky [ mailto:znmeb@aracnet.com ] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:39 AM > > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > > Subject: Is the XFree server down? > > > > > > I've been trying to connect to the XFree86 server for four days now > > and have yet to accomplish a connection. Is it down? Gone? > > > > -- > > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky, Chief Scientist, Borasky Research > http://www.borasky-research.net http://www.aracnet.com/~znmeb > mailto:znmeb@borasky-research.com mailto:znmeb@aracnet.com > > If there's nothing to astrology, how come so many famous men were born > on holidays? > > From matej.franceskin@ensico.si Tue May 15 07:19:00 2001 From: matej.franceskin@ensico.si (Matej Franceskin) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:19:00 -0000 Subject: xdmcp (Win98SE) Message-ID: <654C0BA3C85ED2118BE100105CAA119AA3ED@ensico01.ensico> I get this error when running 'X -query xserver' or 'X -broadcast'. This does work when the client is running Linux. Client: Win98SE Cygwin XFree 4.03 Server: Debian X 4.03 Help? _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 00000007 winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking winAdjustVideoModeShadowDDNL () - Command line depth: 16, using depth: 32 winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 640 height 480 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00ff0000 0000ff00 000000ff RGB 8 d 32 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy Fatal server error: XDMCP fatal error: Session failed Session 308784004 failed for display 0.0.0.0:0 : Cannot open display You have to specify from where you're connecting: X -from your.server.ip -query xserver From matej.franceskin@ensico.si Tue May 15 07:39:00 2001 From: matej.franceskin@ensico.si (Matej Franceskin) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:39:00 -0000 Subject: display depth Message-ID: <654C0BA3C85ED2118BE100105CAA119AA3EE@ensico01.ensico> I use the following command to start my X server on win2k: XWin -from my_address -screen 0 1024x768x32 -fp tcp/fontserver:7000 -engine 4 -query remote_server & The problem is that I want to run some programs that do not support visuals with more than 256 colors. If my screen has 32bit depth than the option -screen 0 1024x768x8 does nothing. I noticed that the last parameter (screen depth) is irrelevant. XWin always uses the same depth as the win2k display so If I want to get 8 bit depth I have to change the win2k display setting to 256 colors and use -engine 1 with XWin and all the colors I get this way are completely messed up. The same thing works fine in linux... Am I doing something wrong, or is this a bug (or feature)? From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 15 09:26:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:26:00 -0000 Subject: display depth References: <654C0BA3C85ED2118BE100105CAA119AA3EE@ensico01.ensico> Message-ID: Matej, 8 bits per pixel is not supported, yet. I will be working on 8 bpp shortly, but it requires some palette management so it will take some time to code. The bit depth command line parameter is only used when running in a DirectDraw fullscreen mode, otherwise we have to use the bit depth that Windows is currently using. I will also be updating the User's Guide shortly to reflect when the bpp parameter is used and when it is ignored. Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Matej > Franceskin > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:39 AM > To: 'cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com' > Subject: display depth > > > I use the following command to start my X server on win2k: > > XWin -from my_address -screen 0 1024x768x32 -fp tcp/fontserver:7000 > -engine 4 -query remote_server & > > The problem is that I want to run some programs that do not support > visuals with more than 256 colors. > If my screen has 32bit depth than the option -screen 0 1024x768x8 does > nothing. I noticed that the last parameter (screen depth) is irrelevant. > XWin always uses the same depth as the win2k display so If I want to get > 8 bit depth I have to change the win2k display setting to 256 colors and > use -engine 1 with XWin and all the colors I get this way are completely > messed up. > > The same thing works fine in linux... > > Am I doing something wrong, or is this a bug (or feature)? > > > From salah.zerrougui@primetech.ca Tue May 15 11:54:00 2001 From: salah.zerrougui@primetech.ca (Salah Zerrougui) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:54:00 -0000 Subject: Keyboard mapping Message-ID: Hi all, I installed cygwin-xfree, and it is working fine for the output (Graphics). But the input is causing me trouble. 1) The easy part (the numeric keypad does not work) it behaves like arrows. 2) If i switch from X to my windows (Ctrl-Esc) and back to X, my keyboard mapping behave strangely (instead of A i get ^A and all keys are mapped incorrectly). BTW: before sending i tried to switch back and forth using Alt-Tab and the mapping is correct, so it has to with Ctrl-ESC. Here is my environnement: Cygwin/Xfree --------------------- Windows NT 4.0/SP6 startxwin: start XWin -query MyHPUXServerIP -once -terminate -screen 0 1152x864x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 Thanks in advance, Salah. From lingfengz@yahoo.com Tue May 15 18:22:00 2001 From: lingfengz@yahoo.com (Ling F. Zhang) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:22:00 -0000 Subject: basic stuff Message-ID: <20010516012252.89476.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> I just got started with xfree86/cygwin..and I basically followed instruction on the user guide online when I do the installation... when I type startx (or XWin or use startxwin.bat)...the following err message appear: $ _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 00000007 winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 640 height 480 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 0000f800 000007e0 0000001f RGB 6 d 16 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from li st! I am particularily concern with the first one about not being root and one of the last ones about could not init font path and SecurityPolicy... is there anything wrong? how should I go about configurating it...I should not that XFree86 can start and I am able to work with windows manager like vtwm. meanwhile, here's another problem: when xfree86 starts, it annoyingly uses usr/sh as its shell, I would like to use bash but don't want to run it everytime I start xfree86? any solution? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From lingfengz@yahoo.com Tue May 15 18:24:00 2001 From: lingfengz@yahoo.com (Ling F. Zhang) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:24:00 -0000 Subject: window manager Message-ID: <20010516012431.55961.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> is there any other ported ones besides the vtwm (5.4.5) I downloaded from the ftp site of xfree? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From james@verge-rpg.com Tue May 15 20:14:00 2001 From: james@verge-rpg.com (Arek (James Potts)) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:14:00 -0000 Subject: basic stuff References: <20010516012252.89476.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c0ddb6$45507120$0100a8c0@vergebbs> I'm not exactly an expert on this, but It looks to me like you need to update DirectX if you can. Point your browser to http://www.microsoft.com/directx for details. I hope this helps.... James Potts (webmaster@verge-net.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ling F. Zhang" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:22 PM Subject: basic stuff > I just got started with xfree86/cygwin..and I > basically followed instruction on the user guide > online when I do the installation... > when I type startx (or XWin or use > startxwin.bat)...the following err message appear: > > $ > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be > set to root > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows 95/98/Me > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported > engines 00000007 > winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking > winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient > width 640 height 480 > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 0000f800 000007e0 > 0000001f RGB 6 d 16 > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning > error opening security policy file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > Could not init font path element > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from li > st! > > I am particularily concern with the first one about > not being root and one of the last ones about could > not init font path and SecurityPolicy... > is there anything wrong? how should I go about > configurating it...I should not that XFree86 can start > and I am able to work with windows manager like vtwm. > > meanwhile, here's another problem: > when xfree86 starts, it annoyingly uses usr/sh as its > shell, I would like to use bash but don't want to run > it everytime I start xfree86? any solution? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > From james@verge-rpg.com Tue May 15 20:19:00 2001 From: james@verge-rpg.com (Arek (James Potts)) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:19:00 -0000 Subject: window manager References: <20010516012431.55961.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003801c0ddb6$fc629780$0100a8c0@vergebbs> Hmmm....I've successfully gotten WindowMaker ( http://www.windowmaker.org ) to compile and run, although I've heard of a couple of problems with it (I've never run into them myself...), and I've heard that Enlightenment ( http://www.enlightenment.org ) might also work, although I'm sure that there are a few issues with it as well. I'm sure that there are others that also work. Your best bet is to just hunt down a few window managers and try compiling them. That's what I did. Again, I hope this helps. James Potts (webmaster@verge-net.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ling F. Zhang" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:24 PM Subject: window manager > is there any other ported ones besides the vtwm > (5.4.5) I downloaded from the ftp site of xfree? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 15 20:55:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:55:00 -0000 Subject: basic stuff References: <20010516012252.89476.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ling, > error opening security policy file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy You can ignore this; everybody gets this warning, it is not important, nor is it the cause of any problems. > Could not init font path element > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from li > st! Did you use WinZip et al to untar the Cygwin/XFree86 archives? WinZip and other Windows archive programs will not correctly unzip the Cygwin/XFree86 archives. You must unpack the archives as documented in the User's Guide: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-ug.html Specifically: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-installing.html > meanwhile, here's another problem: > when xfree86 starts, it annoyingly uses usr/sh as its > shell, I would like to use bash but don't want to run > it everytime I start xfree86? any solution? Search the Cygwin/XFree86 mailing list archive... this question has been ansked and answered several times. Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 15 20:57:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:57:00 -0000 Subject: window manager References: <20010516012431.55961.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > is there any other ported ones besides the vtwm > (5.4.5) I downloaded from the ftp site of xfree? Yes, there are other window managers that have been ported, namely XFCE: ftp://mirrors.rcn.net/pub/sourceware/cygwin/xfree/contrib/ Harold From lingfengz@yahoo.com Tue May 15 21:11:00 2001 From: lingfengz@yahoo.com (Ling F. Zhang) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:11:00 -0000 Subject: gnome and kde Message-ID: <20010516041131.78984.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Is there a port for either of them? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From lingfengz@yahoo.com Tue May 15 21:12:00 2001 From: lingfengz@yahoo.com (Ling F. Zhang) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:12:00 -0000 Subject: ported softwares Message-ID: <20010516041227.57838.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> WHere can I find list/link for software that's ported to cygwin? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 15 21:12:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:12:00 -0000 Subject: basic stuff References: <003301c0ddb6$45507120$0100a8c0@vergebbs> Message-ID: James, > I'm not exactly an expert on this, but It looks to me like you need to > update DirectX if you can. "Update DirectX", used to be the correct response to almost every question posted to the Cygwin/XFree86 list; the current server is a complete rewrite which corrects the DirectX version problems. XWin.exe checks if DirectDraw is installed, if DirectDraw is operational, and what version DirectDraw is before deciding whether to use the DirectDraw, DirectDraw4, or GDI bit block transfer (blit) engine. XWin.exe would have fallen back on the GDI blitter, had DirectDraw4 and DirectDraw been non-operational or not installed. As a side note, the GDI blitter will work on every version of Windows, regardless of the operational status of DirectX/DirectDraw; you can force XWin.exe to use the GDI blitter by passing the '-engine 1' command line parameter. Don't be discouraged at giving the wrong answer though, as we need lots of people to answer questions on this list; I bet it won't be long until you know the correct answer to lots of questions on this list :) Thank you for your interest in our project, Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 15 21:18:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:18:00 -0000 Subject: ported softwares References: <20010516041227.57838.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ling, > WHere can I find list/link for software that's ported > to cygwin? Do you want a list of software ported to Cygwin or to Cygwin/XFree86? Cygwin ports: http://cygwin.com/ported.html Cygwin/XFree86 ports: there is no such list :) Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 15 21:57:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:57:00 -0000 Subject: gnome and kde References: <20010516041131.78984.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ling, > Is there a port for either of them [KDE and Gnome]? People are working on porting KDE and Gnome. I believe that they are currently focusing on porting the libraries that KDE and Gnome depenend on, qt and gtk+, respectively. It will probably be several weeks or months before a stable port of either to Cygwin/XFree86 is released. Harold From nzanella@cs.mun.ca Tue May 15 22:21:00 2001 From: nzanella@cs.mun.ca (Neil Zanella) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:21:00 -0000 Subject: window manager References: <20010516012431.55961.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try fvwm2 from http://www.fvwm.org/ I think it works. Neil On Tue, 15 May 2001, Ling F. Zhang wrote: > is there any other ported ones besides the vtwm > (5.4.5) I downloaded from the ftp site of xfree? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Tue May 15 23:08:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:08:00 -0000 Subject: AW: gnome and kde References: <20010516041131.78984.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c0ddce$ff1f3290$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-cygwin , I'm working on porting kde. Do you like to help ? Regards Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > -----Urspr????ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]Im Auftrag von Ling F. > Zhang > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2001 06:12 > An: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Betreff: gnome and kde > > Is there a port for either of them? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > From rkarcher@frey.de Tue May 15 23:24:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:24:00 -0000 Subject: Keyboard mapping Message-ID: <20010516082249.B501@kar.berlin.frey.de> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:54:18PM -0400, Salah Zerrougui wrote > 2) If i switch from X to my windows (Ctrl-Esc) and back to X, my keyboard > mapping behave strangely (instead of A i get ^A and all keys are mapped > incorrectly). > BTW: before sending i tried to switch back and forth using Alt-Tab and > the mapping is correct, so it has to with Ctrl-ESC. > X is remembering that you pressed the CTRL-key under X. You released the CTRL-key while not under X. So, after returning to X, press and release the CTRL-key. Reinhard From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Wed May 16 02:09:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:09:00 -0000 Subject: public version of qt lib on sourceforge available References: <001701c0ddd7$1723c060$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Message-ID: <001d01c0dde8$3b508de0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Hi all, the qt library with versions 1.45 and 2.3.0 is available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-cygwin Regards Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 16 03:25:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:25:00 -0000 Subject: Clipboard hack? References: Message-ID: <03e401c0ddf2$402e63a0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Well if you can identify the current selection accurately, then you've solved the problem: simply copy to /dev/clipboard whenever a new selection has been completed. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Carsten Bormann" To: "Suhaib Siddiqi" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: RE: Clipboard hack? > > At the moment cut and paste between x and win32 is not possible, not even > > through a Ugly hack... > > I don't know whether a little gadget that has controls to copy between > /dev/clipboard and the selection would be an ugly hack, but it sure is > possible. > It's trivial, I just don't have time to write it... > > Gruesse, Carsten > > > From lingfengz@yahoo.com Wed May 16 03:44:00 2001 From: lingfengz@yahoo.com (Ling F. Zhang) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:44:00 -0000 Subject: mkpasswd Message-ID: <20010516104435.50705.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> I am trying to use ssh to connect to my school server, I got the error: YOU DON'T EXIST, GO AWAY! so I searched the mailing list achieve. This obviously have to do with configuration with etc/passwd and etc/group... but, I can't run mkpasswd to create them because I am using winme and the user guide say it only works with NT (and I tried it) any fix? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 16 03:53:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:53:00 -0000 Subject: mkpasswd Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A29@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Take it to cygwin mailing list. Wrong list. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Ling F. Zhang [ mailto:lingfengz@yahoo.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 6:45 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: mkpasswd > > > I am trying to use ssh to connect to my school server, > I got the error: > YOU DON'T EXIST, GO AWAY! > > so I searched the mailing list achieve. This > obviously have to do with configuration with > etc/passwd and etc/group... > but, I can't run mkpasswd to create them because I am > using winme and the user guide say it only works with > NT (and I tried it) > > any fix? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From jbdoll@kepri.re.kr Wed May 16 08:02:00 2001 From: jbdoll@kepri.re.kr (Jong B. Lee) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:02:00 -0000 Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available Message-ID: <001501c0de19$b7a70960$8b0c4ea8@kepri.re.kr> Dear list, I have ported the following packages to cygwin. You can get the precompiled packages from http://my.dreamwiz.com/jbdoll/ 1. libiconv-1.6.1 2. glib-1.2.10 3. gtk+-1.2.10 4. imlib-1.9.10 5. xfce-3.4.4 For XFce, I know that the contrib directory has good one. But, that was built against MingW32 compiled DLLs, as Suhaib said. For glib-1.2.10, the thread functions are not implemented, yet, mainly due to my lack of knowledge on thread. Cheers, Jong B. Lee From Kevin.Kuphal@motorola.com Wed May 16 08:08:00 2001 From: Kevin.Kuphal@motorola.com (Kuphal Kevin-AKK012) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:08:00 -0000 Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available Message-ID: Just curious, what are your next steps in moving towards GNOME on Cygwin? Could you publish a list of to-be-ported libraries and their status. I'd be happy to help how I can, I'd just need some information on your next steps... Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Jong B. Lee [ mailto:jbdoll@kepri.re.kr ] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:06 AM To: cygwin; cygwin-xfree Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available Dear list, I have ported the following packages to cygwin. You can get the precompiled packages from http://my.dreamwiz.com/jbdoll/ 1. libiconv-1.6.1 2. glib-1.2.10 3. gtk+-1.2.10 4. imlib-1.9.10 5. xfce-3.4.4 For XFce, I know that the contrib directory has good one. But, that was built against MingW32 compiled DLLs, as Suhaib said. For glib-1.2.10, the thread functions are not implemented, yet, mainly due to my lack of knowledge on thread. Cheers, Jong B. Lee From jbdoll@kepri.re.kr Wed May 16 08:51:00 2001 From: jbdoll@kepri.re.kr (Jong B. Lee) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:51:00 -0000 Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available References: Message-ID: <000301c0de20$842c7640$8b0c4ea8@kepri.re.kr> My goal is to use GNOME on cygwin not to port them. But, could not find ported packages. And, that's why I'm doing it myself, as cygwin faq guides. If you have , please release them to the list. I'm waiting for Rob's GNOME to come to life. Jong B. Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kuphal Kevin-AKK012" To: "cygwin-xfree" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:08 AM Subject: RE: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available > > Just curious, what are your next steps in moving towards GNOME on Cygwin? Could you publish a list of to-be-ported libraries and their status. I'd be happy to help how I can, I'd just need some information on your next steps... > > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jong B. Lee [ mailto:jbdoll@kepri.re.kr ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:06 AM > To: cygwin; cygwin-xfree > Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available > > > Dear list, > > I have ported the following packages to cygwin. > You can get the precompiled packages from > http://my.dreamwiz.com/jbdoll/ > > 1. libiconv-1.6.1 > 2. glib-1.2.10 > 3. gtk+-1.2.10 > 4. imlib-1.9.10 > 5. xfce-3.4.4 > > For XFce, I know that the contrib directory has good one. > But, that was built against MingW32 compiled DLLs, as Suhaib said. > > > For glib-1.2.10, the thread functions are not implemented, yet, > mainly due to my lack of knowledge on thread. > > Cheers, > > Jong B. Lee > From jwylder@motorola.com Wed May 16 10:47:00 2001 From: jwylder@motorola.com (Wylder James-JWYLDER1) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:47:00 -0000 Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available Message-ID: <698AE46F861FD51182CB0002B328C3726099FD@IL75EXM05> Jong, Did you have to make any code changes to port these? I would like to see the source if there were any. Jim W. -----Original Message----- From: Jong B. Lee [ mailto:jbdoll@kepri.re.kr ] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:06 AM To: cygwin; cygwin-xfree Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available Dear list, I have ported the following packages to cygwin. You can get the precompiled packages from http://my.dreamwiz.com/jbdoll/ 1. libiconv-1.6.1 2. glib-1.2.10 3. gtk+-1.2.10 4. imlib-1.9.10 5. xfce-3.4.4 For XFce, I know that the contrib directory has good one. But, that was built against MingW32 compiled DLLs, as Suhaib said. For glib-1.2.10, the thread functions are not implemented, yet, mainly due to my lack of knowledge on thread. Cheers, Jong B. Lee From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 16 14:58:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:58:00 -0000 Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available References: <001501c0de19$b7a70960$8b0c4ea8@kepri.re.kr> Message-ID: <00b701c0de53$097b9600$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> You should be able to use --enable-threads=pthread. In fact configure should autodetect that. (You'll need a current cygwin though: 1.1.8 does not have enough thread functions). Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jong B. Lee" To: "cygwin" ; "cygwin-xfree" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:06 AM Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available > Dear list, > > I have ported the following packages to cygwin. > You can get the precompiled packages from > http://my.dreamwiz.com/jbdoll/ > > 1. libiconv-1.6.1 > 2. glib-1.2.10 > 3. gtk+-1.2.10 > 4. imlib-1.9.10 > 5. xfce-3.4.4 > > For XFce, I know that the contrib directory has good one. > But, that was built against MingW32 compiled DLLs, as Suhaib said. > > > For glib-1.2.10, the thread functions are not implemented, yet, > mainly due to my lack of knowledge on thread. > > Cheers, > > Jong B. Lee > > From james@verge-rpg.com Wed May 16 16:08:00 2001 From: james@verge-rpg.com (Arek (James Potts)) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:08:00 -0000 Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available References: <698AE46F861FD51182CB0002B328C3726099FD@IL75EXM05> Message-ID: <008e01c0de5d$1847b010$0100a8c0@vergebbs> I don't know about Jong's ports of these programs, but I was able to compile libiconv and gtk+ with no changes, and glib with only one simple change to the source code. I didn't announce a port because the code change for glib needs to be rewritten to be handled in configure. James Potts (webmaster@verge-net.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wylder James-JWYLDER1" To: "cygwin-xfree" Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: RE: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available > Jong, > > Did you have to make any code changes to port these? > I would like to see the source if there were any. > > Jim W. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jong B. Lee [ mailto:jbdoll@kepri.re.kr ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:06 AM > To: cygwin; cygwin-xfree > Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available > > > Dear list, > > I have ported the following packages to cygwin. > You can get the precompiled packages from > http://my.dreamwiz.com/jbdoll/ > > 1. libiconv-1.6.1 > 2. glib-1.2.10 > 3. gtk+-1.2.10 > 4. imlib-1.9.10 > 5. xfce-3.4.4 > > For XFce, I know that the contrib directory has good one. > But, that was built against MingW32 compiled DLLs, as Suhaib said. > > > For glib-1.2.10, the thread functions are not implemented, yet, > mainly due to my lack of knowledge on thread. > > Cheers, > > Jong B. Lee > From john.turner@pobox.com Wed May 16 16:17:00 2001 From: john.turner@pobox.com (John A. Turner) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:17:00 -0000 Subject: kudos! Message-ID: <3B030B97.D56DCEE0@pobox.com> Just wanted to say congrats to all involved on the excellent progress. Although I've watched from the beginning, I let my cygwin-xfree mailbox fill to over 1000 messages since I wasn't actually using it. But I've been home sick from work for a couple of days, had some problems with the commercial X-server I was using (StarNet's X-Win32), so I decided to slog through the backlog of msgs and give it cygwin/xfree86 a shot again. Wow! It's really fantastic. Again, congrats and thanks to all involved. I do have a couple of things I'd like to ask/report, but I'll do so in separate msgs. -John Turner From john.turner@pobox.com Wed May 16 16:32:00 2001 From: john.turner@pobox.com (John A. Turner) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:32:00 -0000 Subject: text/binary mounts Message-ID: <3B030F1F.9E21581D@pobox.com> I've seen Suhaib say many many times that one *must* be using binary mounts for cygwin/xfree86 to work correctly - indeed, that's one of the things that kept me from trying it again, since I use only text mounts. However, it seems to be working just fine with text mounts. Here are some details of my setup: Win2k, SP1 Cygwin 1.3.1 XFree86 4.0.3 and various of Harold's tests my mount table looks like (in part): E:\Local\cygwin on / type system (textmode) E:\Local\cygwin\bin on /usr/bin type system (textmode) E:\Local\cygwin\lib on /usr/lib type system (textmode) and my startup script is: @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 SET PATH=.;%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin SET XFCE_DATA=\cygwin\usr\X11R6\var bash -c "nohup bash -c 'xwin -screen 0 1280x1024x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 &'" & bash -c "nohup bash -c 'xfwm &'" & start /B rxvt -fn "Lucida Console-12" -e bash @echo on obviously I'm not complaining - I'm just reporting that contrary to the recommendations, text mounts seem to work fine -John Turner From john.turner@pobox.com Wed May 16 17:04:00 2001 From: john.turner@pobox.com (John A. Turner) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:04:00 -0000 Subject: Test 23 crashes - "negative sized edge?" Message-ID: <3B0316B3.624E3358@pobox.com> Summary ------- when displaying XEmacs from Irix, although 4.0.3 and Test 22 work fine, Test 23 crashes with the msg: Fatal server error: negative sized edge? Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). Details ------- Environment is: Win2k, SP1 Cygwin 1.3.1 XFree86 4.0.3, Test 22, and Test 23 startup script: @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 SET PATH=.;%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin SET XFCE_DATA=\cygwin\usr\X11R6\var bash -c "nohup bash -c 'xwin -screen 0 1280x1024x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 &'" & bash -c "nohup bash -c 'xfwm &'" & start /B rxvt -fn "Lucida Console-12" -e bash @echo on when ssh'd to a remote firewall, then rsh'd to an Irix box, I set DISPLAY appropriately and display clients back to cygwin/xfree86 simple things like xclock work fine on 4.0.3 and all the Test versions I tried, including 22 and 23 however, although XEmacs (version 21.5b1) works fine with 4.0.3 and Test 22, Test 23 crashes - here's the full log from nohup.out: _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f winSetEngine () - Using user's preference: 4 winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1280 height 1024 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00ff0000 0000ff00 000000ff RGB 8 d 32 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy XFWM message (type Read): Skipping '.xfwmrc': not in $HOME nor /usr/local/etc/xfce XFWM message (type Read): trying to read system rc file XFWM message (type Read): Skipping 'xfwmrc': not in $HOME nor /usr/local/etc/xfce XFWM message (type SessionInit): X Session Manager not available Using builtin session management instead *** WARNING ***: Cannot load pixmap file \cygwin\usr\X11R6\var/XFce3.logo *** WARNING ***: Cannot load pixmap file \cygwin\usr\X11R6\var/XFce3.logo /home/turner/.xfbdrc File not found. Fatal server error: negative sized edge? Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). other items of possible interest: o engines 1 and 2 fail in the same way o using twm instead of xfwm results in the same crash just to re-emphasize, I've been using Test 22 all day with no problems if there's anything you'd like me to try, I'll be happy to... thanks... -John Turner From john.turner@pobox.com Wed May 16 17:11:00 2001 From: john.turner@pobox.com (John A. Turner) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:11:00 -0000 Subject: adding .fon fonts Message-ID: <3B031866.F7417387@pobox.com> keep in mind that I know little about X internals, or even X programming - when it comes to X, whether on Unix or Win2k, I'm purely a luser my question is, if I have some .fon fonts, is it possible to use them with cygwin/xfree86? I see that all the standard fonts are .pcf - if that's what's required, can .fon fonts be converted to .pcf? thx, -John Turner From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 16 17:19:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:19:00 -0000 Subject: Test 23 crashes - "negative sized edge?" References: <3B0316B3.624E3358@pobox.com> Message-ID: John, Huh... Test23 was the first test build to come directly from XFree86's CVS tree, whereas all previous builds were from a tarball of the 4.0.3 sources. I'm going to have to think that the error you are seeing is a bug that was introduced somewhere between 4.0.3 and now. In any case, I don't think it is anything that we did, nor would we know how to fix it. Thanks for reporting the bug nonetheless, Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of John A. > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:09 PM > To: Cygwin XFree86 mailing list > Subject: Test 23 crashes - "negative sized edge?" > > > Summary > ------- > > when displaying XEmacs from Irix, although 4.0.3 and Test 22 work > fine, Test 23 crashes with the msg: > > Fatal server error: > negative sized edge? > Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill > or server shutdown). > Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill > or server shutdown). > > Details > ------- > > Environment is: > > Win2k, SP1 > Cygwin 1.3.1 > XFree86 4.0.3, Test 22, and Test 23 > > startup script: > > @echo off > > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > SET PATH=.;%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin > SET XFCE_DATA=\cygwin\usr\X11R6\var > > bash -c "nohup bash -c 'xwin -screen 0 1280x1024x32 -whitepixel > 255 -blackpixel 0 > -engine 4 &'" & > bash -c "nohup bash -c 'xfwm &'" & > start /B rxvt -fn "Lucida Console-12" -e bash > > @echo on > > when ssh'd to a remote firewall, then rsh'd to an Irix box, I set DISPLAY > appropriately and display clients back to cygwin/xfree86 > > simple things like xclock work fine on 4.0.3 and all the Test versions I > tried, including 22 and 23 > > however, although XEmacs (version 21.5b1) works fine with 4.0.3 > and Test 22, > Test 23 crashes - here's the full log from nohup.out: > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f > winSetEngine () - Using user's preference: 4 > winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1280 height 1024 > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00ff0000 0000ff00 000000ff RGB 8 d 32 > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning > error opening security policy file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > XFWM message (type Read): Skipping '.xfwmrc': not in $HOME nor > /usr/local/etc/xfce > XFWM message (type Read): trying to read system rc file > XFWM message (type Read): Skipping 'xfwmrc': not in $HOME nor > /usr/local/etc/xfce > XFWM message (type SessionInit): X Session Manager not available > Using builtin session management instead > > *** WARNING ***: Cannot load pixmap file \cygwin\usr\X11R6\var/XFce3.logo > *** WARNING ***: Cannot load pixmap file \cygwin\usr\X11R6\var/XFce3.logo > /home/turner/.xfbdrc File not found. > > Fatal server error: > negative sized edge? > Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill > or server shutdown). > Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill > or server shutdown). > > other items of possible interest: > > o engines 1 and 2 fail in the same way > o using twm instead of xfwm results in the same crash > > just to re-emphasize, I've been using Test 22 all day with no problems > > if there's anything you'd like me to try, I'll be happy to... > > thanks... > > -John Turner From john.turner@pobox.com Wed May 16 17:29:00 2001 From: john.turner@pobox.com (John A. Turner) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:29:00 -0000 Subject: Test 23 crashes - "negative sized edge?" References: Message-ID: <3B031C6E.CCB3BF84@pobox.com> Harold Hunt wrote: > > John, > > Huh... Test23 was the first test build to come directly from XFree86's CVS > tree, whereas all previous builds were from a tarball of the 4.0.3 sources. > I'm going to have to think that the error you are seeing is a bug that was > introduced somewhere between 4.0.3 and now. In any case, I don't think it > is anything that we did, nor would we know how to fix it. > > Thanks for reporting the bug nonetheless, no problem - it's the least I can do as a simple luser I'm just glad 22 worked, because I was prepared to try all the tests possible to try and pin down where it started - this made it easy (in addition, I couldn't find older binaries at your test site...) -JT From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 16 17:35:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:35:00 -0000 Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available Message-ID: There is significantly more to do than that! * All file handling operations need to be classified as text or binary, and appropriate file modes set. * I had serious trouble with libtool and glib modules. I believe Edward has fixed that, which in combination with the Cygwin 1.3.x support for pthreads should allow full glib support. * As far as gnone goes, Orbit needs workarounds for security on win9x, esound support has just recently been added (cygwin 1.3.x again), and most of the other libraries were trivial, once they had their export symbols defined properly. Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Arek (James Potts) [ mailto:james@verge-rpg.com ] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:08 AM > To: Wylder James-JWYLDER1; cygwin-xfree > Subject: Re: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available > > > I don't know about Jong's ports of these programs, but I was > able to compile > libiconv and gtk+ with no changes, and glib with only one > simple change to > the source code. I didn't announce a port because the code > change for glib > needs to be rewritten to be handled in configure. > > James Potts > (webmaster@verge-net.com) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wylder James-JWYLDER1" > To: "cygwin-xfree" > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:46 PM > Subject: RE: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available > > > > Jong, > > > > Did you have to make any code changes to port these? > > I would like to see the source if there were any. > > > > Jim W. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jong B. Lee [ mailto:jbdoll@kepri.re.kr ] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:06 AM > > To: cygwin; cygwin-xfree > > Subject: glib/gtk+-1.2.10 and xfce-3.4.4 for cygwin is available > > > > > > Dear list, > > > > I have ported the following packages to cygwin. > > You can get the precompiled packages from > > http://my.dreamwiz.com/jbdoll/ > > > > 1. libiconv-1.6.1 > > 2. glib-1.2.10 > > 3. gtk+-1.2.10 > > 4. imlib-1.9.10 > > 5. xfce-3.4.4 > > > > For XFce, I know that the contrib directory has good one. > > But, that was built against MingW32 compiled DLLs, as Suhaib said. > > > > > > For glib-1.2.10, the thread functions are not implemented, yet, > > mainly due to my lack of knowledge on thread. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jong B. Lee > > > > From rkarcher@frey.de Wed May 16 22:38:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:38:00 -0000 Subject: Test 23 crashes - "negative sized edge?" References: Message-ID: <20010517073650.A488@kar.berlin.frey.de> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 08:14:49PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote > > Huh... Test23 was the first test build to come directly from XFree86's CVS > tree, whereas all previous builds were from a tarball of the 4.0.3 sources. > I'm going to have to think that the error you are seeing is a bug that was > introduced somewhere between 4.0.3 and now. In any case, I don't think it > is anything that we did, nor would we know how to fix it. > Maybe my problem with VMS Decterm is related to that. Reinhard From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Thu May 17 01:16:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:16:00 -0000 Subject: compiling QT on cygwin(latest stable version) please help References: <3B02430A.6C2AF0C8@wapme-systems.de> Message-ID: <000301c0dea8$cb04df20$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> > Ralf Habacker schrieb: > > > Hi, qt library 2.3 (without network functionality) (bin and > src) is already > > available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-cygwin > > when are you expecting to release the alpha kde binaries for cygwin? > I like to release the alpha version of KDE this week. > Regards, > > Stipe Tolj > Department Management > Technology Center & Research Lab > > tolj@wapme-systems.de > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Wapme Systems AG > > M????nsterstr. 248 > 40470 D????sseldorf > > Tel: +49-211-74845-0 > Fax: +49-211-74845-299 > > E-Mail: info@wapme-systems.de > Internet: http://www.wapme-systems.de > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > wapme.net - wherever you are > > > > From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 17 01:42:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:42:00 -0000 Subject: Test 23 crashes - "negative sized edge?" References: <3B0316B3.624E3358@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20010517094349.B1758@valinux.com> Looks like a problem in the Type1 font rasterizer. xc/lib/font/Type1/regions.c Need to stick some printf's around there to debug. Alan. On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 08:14:49PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > John, > > Huh... Test23 was the first test build to come directly from XFree86's CVS > tree, whereas all previous builds were from a tarball of the 4.0.3 sources. > I'm going to have to think that the error you are seeing is a bug that was > introduced somewhere between 4.0.3 and now. In any case, I don't think it > is anything that we did, nor would we know how to fix it. > > Thanks for reporting the bug nonetheless, > > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of John A. > > Turner > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:09 PM > > To: Cygwin XFree86 mailing list > > Subject: Test 23 crashes - "negative sized edge?" > > > > > > Summary > > ------- > > > > when displaying XEmacs from Irix, although 4.0.3 and Test 22 work > > fine, Test 23 crashes with the msg: > > > > Fatal server error: > > negative sized edge? > > Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill > > or server shutdown). > > Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill > > or server shutdown). > > > > Details > > ------- > > > > Environment is: > > > > Win2k, SP1 > > Cygwin 1.3.1 > > XFree86 4.0.3, Test 22, and Test 23 > > > > startup script: > > > > @echo off > > > > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > > SET PATH=.;%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin > > SET XFCE_DATA=\cygwin\usr\X11R6\var > > > > bash -c "nohup bash -c 'xwin -screen 0 1280x1024x32 -whitepixel > > 255 -blackpixel 0 > > -engine 4 &'" & > > bash -c "nohup bash -c 'xfwm &'" & > > start /B rxvt -fn "Lucida Console-12" -e bash > > > > @echo on > > > > when ssh'd to a remote firewall, then rsh'd to an Irix box, I set DISPLAY > > appropriately and display clients back to cygwin/xfree86 > > > > simple things like xclock work fine on 4.0.3 and all the Test versions I > > tried, including 22 and 23 > > > > however, although XEmacs (version 21.5b1) works fine with 4.0.3 > > and Test 22, > > Test 23 crashes - here's the full log from nohup.out: > > > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed > > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f > > winSetEngine () - Using user's preference: 4 > > winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1280 height 1024 > > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00ff0000 0000ff00 000000ff RGB 8 d 32 > > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning > > error opening security policy file > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > > XFWM message (type Read): Skipping '.xfwmrc': not in $HOME nor > > /usr/local/etc/xfce > > XFWM message (type Read): trying to read system rc file > > XFWM message (type Read): Skipping 'xfwmrc': not in $HOME nor > > /usr/local/etc/xfce > > XFWM message (type SessionInit): X Session Manager not available > > Using builtin session management instead > > > > *** WARNING ***: Cannot load pixmap file \cygwin\usr\X11R6\var/XFce3.logo > > *** WARNING ***: Cannot load pixmap file \cygwin\usr\X11R6\var/XFce3.logo > > /home/turner/.xfbdrc File not found. > > > > Fatal server error: > > negative sized edge? > > Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill > > or server shutdown). > > Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill > > or server shutdown). > > > > other items of possible interest: > > > > o engines 1 and 2 fail in the same way > > o using twm instead of xfwm results in the same crash > > > > just to re-emphasize, I've been using Test 22 all day with no problems > > > > if there's anything you'd like me to try, I'll be happy to... > > > > thanks... > > > > -John Turner From karl.philipp@danet.de Thu May 17 03:34:00 2001 From: karl.philipp@danet.de (Karl Philipp) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 03:34:00 -0000 Subject: Icons of Solaris Screen scrumbled [when using XWin with XDMCP] Message-ID: Hi, I'm using XWin via XDMCP for accessing a Solaris 2.7 server: XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -query -from My local client OS is WinNT. The problem is that certain icons and backdrops (of the bar, e.g.) are scrumbled. See the attached part of a screenshot for more detailed information about that problem. But I've seen a screenshot of another contribution in that mailinglist that it should really work well: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg00710.html I've tested different depths: 8, 16 and 24. It doesn't work properly. How can I solve my problem? greetings Karl --- Karl Philipp Phone : +49 6151 868 - 518 eMail : mailto:karl.philipp@danet.de Danet GmbH, Business Unit BI Gutenbergstr. 10 64331 Weiterstadt, Germany WWW : http://www.danet.de From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 17 03:49:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 03:49:00 -0000 Subject: adding .fon fonts Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A30@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> You cannot use *.fon with XFree86. I do remember seeing a utility somewhere On the Internet which claims to convert *.fon from win32 to *.pcf files. I never tried it and I do not have URL for it. If you can convert them to *.pcf, then gzip it... Then copy to a /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/subdirectory-of-your-choice And run mkfontdir to create aliases files, you should be fine. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: John A. Turner [ mailto:john.turner@pobox.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:17 PM > To: Cygwin XFree86 mailing list > Subject: adding .fon fonts > > > keep in mind that I know little about X internals, or even X > programming - when it comes to X, whether on Unix or Win2k, > I'm purely a luser > > my question is, if I have some .fon fonts, is it possible to > use them with cygwin/xfree86? I see that all the standard > fonts are .pcf - if that's what's required, can .fon fonts be > converted to .pcf? > > thx, > > -John Turner > From duck@duckland.org Thu May 17 06:45:00 2001 From: duck@duckland.org (Don Duck Harper) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:45:00 -0000 Subject: adding .fon fonts References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A30@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010517084517.A2278@duckland.org> Well, first hit on a google search turned up this page: http://www.simsig.com/linux.html Seems that there is a tool w/ wine to do this. :) don On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:49:27AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote to To 'Cygwin XFree86 mailing list': :-) :-) You cannot use *.fon with XFree86. I do remember seeing a utility somewhere :-) On the Internet which claims to convert *.fon from win32 to *.pcf files. :-) I never tried it and I do not have URL for it. If you can convert them to :-) *.pcf, then gzip it... Then copy to a :-) /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/subdirectory-of-your-choice :-) And run mkfontdir to create aliases files, you should be fine. :-) :-) Suhaib :-) > -----Original Message----- :-) > From: John A. Turner [ mailto:john.turner@pobox.com ] :-) > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:17 PM :-) > To: Cygwin XFree86 mailing list :-) > Subject: adding .fon fonts :-) > :-) > :-) > keep in mind that I know little about X internals, or even X :-) > programming - when it comes to X, whether on Unix or Win2k, :-) > I'm purely a luser :-) > :-) > my question is, if I have some .fon fonts, is it possible to :-) > use them with cygwin/xfree86? I see that all the standard :-) > fonts are .pcf - if that's what's required, can .fon fonts be :-) > converted to .pcf? :-) > :-) > thx, :-) > :-) > -John Turner :-) > -- Don Harper, RHCE, MCSE email: duck@duckland.org Just a systems kinda guy... http://www.duckland.org #!/usr/bin/perl -w # 531-byte qrpff-fast, Keith Winstein and Marc Horowitz # MPEG 2 PS VOB file on stdin -> descrambled output on stdout # arguments: title key bytes in least to most-significant order $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^$d>>4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval You know you're drinking too much coffee when... * You grind your coffee beans in your mouth. From ronald.hecht@gmx.de Thu May 17 09:13:00 2001 From: ronald.hecht@gmx.de (Ronald Hecht) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:13:00 -0000 Subject: xfce Message-ID: <3B03FB33.F0955D73@gmx.de> Hi, I've compiled xfce, but had some probs with DLL-Export. What changes need to be applied to compile under cygwin? Ronald From martin.ittig@bluemail.ch Fri May 18 02:10:00 2001 From: martin.ittig@bluemail.ch (Martin Ittig) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 02:10:00 -0000 Subject: Processes don't stop Message-ID: <3ADE91D3000C589E@mss2n.bluewin.ch> Hi, I've installed the latest cygwin and cygwin-xfree. Great thing! Now, I can start XWin with the xfce (over the startxwin.bat). But when I quit the XWin (over left mouse -> quit Xfwm) all the applications left on my Desktop. I've to close then all this programs (with exit in the bash and File -> quit for the rest). After that the XWin quits. What did I wrong? Martin PS: Sorry for the ugly english! ________________________________________ E-Mail for everyone! http://www.bluemail.ch/ powered by Bluewin! From Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no Fri May 18 04:47:00 2001 From: Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no (Idar Tollefsen) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 04:47:00 -0000 Subject: Building Enlightenment Message-ID: Hello, With the recent advances of Cygwin/XFree and support libraries I thought it was time to try building Enlightenment. With all libraries in place, I'm stuck on the following error message: gcc -I/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include -L/lib -L/usr/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/lib -o dox format.o file.o ttfont.o text.o dox.o -lttf -lFnlib -lImlib -ljpeg -ltiff -lpng -lz -lm -lSM -lICE -lXext -lX11 ttfont.o(.text+0x120e):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `XShmCreateImage' ttfont.o(.text+0x12bd):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmget' ttfont.o(.text+0x1338):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmat' ttfont.o(.text+0x135f):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `XShmAttach' ttfont.o(.text+0x1385):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmget' ttfont.o(.text+0x1400):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmat' ttfont.o(.text+0x1427):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `XShmAttach' ttfont.o(.text+0x1504):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `XShmGetImage' ttfont.o(.text+0x16a1):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `XShmPutImage' ttfont.o(.text+0x1725):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `XShmDetach' ttfont.o(.text+0x1734):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' ttfont.o(.text+0x1747):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmctl' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status It looks like I'm missing a library here. I would suspect libSM, but libSM.a is present in /usr/X11R6/lib. As for versions; I updated both Cygwin and XFree yesterday, so they should both be up to date. I also installed the latest cygIPC package. I know that there have been problems with shm and cygwin before, and maybe still is? I can, however, not find any option to build Enlightenment without it. Could someone please enlightenment as to what might be the problem, or direct me to a set of precompiled binaries, if they exist? - IT From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 18 04:53:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 04:53:00 -0000 Subject: Building Enlightenment Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A3D@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> We do not officially support CygIPC therefore the pre-compiled binaries are Not built with XSHM extension. If you want to compile Enlightment, you need SHM support and to have that you need to compile XFree86 yourself with XSHM enabled. Alan posted a message a couple of weeks ago, check mail archives, please. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Idar Tollefsen [ mailto:Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no ] > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 7:45 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Building Enlightenment > > > Hello, > > With the recent advances of Cygwin/XFree and support libraries > I thought it was time to try building Enlightenment. > > With all libraries in place, I'm stuck on the following error message: > > gcc -I/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include > -I/usr/local/include > -L/lib -L/usr/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/lib -o dox > format.o file.o ttfont.o text.o dox.o > -lttf -lFnlib -lImlib -ljpeg -ltiff -lpng -lz -lm -lSM -lICE > -lXext -lX11 > ttfont.o(.text+0x120e):ttfont.c: undefined reference to > `XShmCreateImage' > ttfont.o(.text+0x12bd):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmget' > ttfont.o(.text+0x1338):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmat' > ttfont.o(.text+0x135f):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `XShmAttach' > ttfont.o(.text+0x1385):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmget' > ttfont.o(.text+0x1400):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmat' > ttfont.o(.text+0x1427):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `XShmAttach' > ttfont.o(.text+0x1504):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `XShmGetImage' > ttfont.o(.text+0x16a1):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `XShmPutImage' > ttfont.o(.text+0x1725):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `XShmDetach' > ttfont.o(.text+0x1734):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmdt' > ttfont.o(.text+0x1747):ttfont.c: undefined reference to `shmctl' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > It looks like I'm missing a library here. I would suspect > libSM, but libSM.a is present in /usr/X11R6/lib. > > As for versions; I updated both Cygwin and XFree yesterday, > so they should both be up to date. I also installed the > latest cygIPC package. > > I know that there have been problems with shm and cygwin > before, and maybe still is? I can, however, not find any > option to build Enlightenment without it. > > Could someone please enlightenment as to what might be > the problem, or direct me to a set of precompiled binaries, > if they exist? > > > - IT > > From huntharo@msu.edu Fri May 18 05:17:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 05:17:00 -0000 Subject: Building Enlightenment References: Message-ID: Idar, > With the recent advances of Cygwin/XFree and support libraries > I thought it was time to try building Enlightenment. You'll have to pull the XFree86 sources from CVS and add the following line to xc/config/cf/xf86site.def before running 'make World' from xc/: #define UseCygIPC YES Building XFree86 will take between 1 and 4 hours, depending on your machine performance. After building with UseCygIPC you will need to move your current /usr/X11R6/ directory to something like /usr/X11R6_works/. Then, run 'make install' from xc/. This will install all of the XFree86 executables, fonts, libraries, etc. into /usr/X11R6/. Now you can compile Enlightenment. Thank you for your interest in our project, Harold From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Fri May 18 05:26:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 05:26:00 -0000 Subject: Building Enlightenment References: Message-ID: <20010518132719.J1282@valinux.com> On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:12:35AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > Idar, > > > With the recent advances of Cygwin/XFree and support libraries > > I thought it was time to try building Enlightenment. > > You'll have to pull the XFree86 sources from CVS and add the following line > to xc/config/cf/xf86site.def before running 'make World' from xc/: Don't modify the xf86site.def. If you ever update from CVS there may be conflicts in the future. Best to create a new file xc/config/cf/host.def and put the line below in that. The build process will automatically pick up the new host.def file. It's there as a mechanism to customize your build without touching any of the original source files. > #define UseCygIPC YES > Alan. From Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no Fri May 18 05:41:00 2001 From: Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no (Idar Tollefsen) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 05:41:00 -0000 Subject: Building Enlightenment Message-ID: >>> With the recent advances of Cygwin/XFree and support libraries >>> I thought it was time to try building Enlightenment. >> You'll have to pull the XFree86 sources from CVS and add the following line >> to xc/config/cf/xf86site.def before running 'make World' from xc/: >Don't modify the xf86site.def. If you ever update from CVS there may be >conflicts in the future. Best to create a new file xc/config/cf/host.def >and put the line below in that. The build process will automatically pick >up the new host.def file. It's there as a mechanism to customize your build >without touching any of the original source files. >> #define UseCygIPC YES Thank you for such a straight answer, both of you. I'll follow your advice and get it from CVS. The only problem with that is that I'm behind a firewall that only let's traffic trough on port 8080, so I can't connect to the CVS server. I will get it from home instead and continue the process on Monday. Again, thank you for your time. - IT From joerg.pleumann@trantor.de Fri May 18 06:06:00 2001 From: joerg.pleumann@trantor.de (=?Windows-1252?Q?J=F6rg_Pleumann?=) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 06:06:00 -0000 Subject: German setup for XFree86 Message-ID: <008101c0df9a$ff9f1ff0$f028d981@ls10pc50> Hello, I just installed XFree86 on top of the Cygwin installation I've been using for quite a while now. I must say that I'm very impressed. I have several remote Unix machines that I access from time to time, and it's nice to be able to do this from my Windows 2000 notebook (without the need for a dual boot, VMware or a commercial X client). Really great piece of work! I have some minor problems, though, configuring the X server. Maybe someone can give me a hint or point me at some online documentation: (1) How do I use / emulate the (non-existent) third key of my two-key touchpad? (2) I used setxkbdmap to achieve German keyboard layout, but how do I tell my bash to actually print the German umlaut characters? Is there a way to put the bash into "8 bit" mode? (3) Why am I unable to terminate the X server using the window manager's popup menu? I have to close the console window where startxwin.bat is run to get rid of it. Also, I noticed that from time to time "zombie" bash instances (with no console attached) stay in the task list after the server has been killed. (4) What is the recommended way to configure Cygwin/XFree86? I've been looking for an XF86Config file, but didn't find one? Is this file not used for the Cygwin port of XFree? Any comments are greatly appreciated. -- Sincerely Joerg Pleumann ______________________________________________________________________ University of Dortmund Phone: 049-231-755-4712 Computer Science Dept. X Fax: 049-231-755-2061 D-44221 Dortmund E-Mail: pleumann@ls10.cs.uni-dortmund.de ______________________________________________________________________ From rkarcher@frey.de Fri May 18 06:40:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 06:40:00 -0000 Subject: German setup for XFree86 References: <008101c0df9a$ff9f1ff0$f028d981@ls10pc50> Message-ID: <20010518153820.A486@kar.berlin.frey.de> On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 03:03:55PM +0200, J????rg Pleumann wrote > (2) I used setxkbdmap to achieve German keyboard layout, but how do I tell > my > bash to actually print the German umlaut characters? Is there a way to put > the bash into "8 bit" mode? > I created an .inputrc file in my homedirectory: set output-meta On # to show 8-bit characters set convert-meta Off # to show it as character, not the octal reprentation Reinhard PS: search the man page for bash and read the chapter concerning readline. From jon.ewing@mediasurface.com Fri May 18 08:28:00 2001 From: jon.ewing@mediasurface.com (jon ewing) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:28:00 -0000 Subject: Font Server(s) Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010518161211.00aee7f0@rothko.research.mediasurface.com> Hello, I'm trying to compile up a truetype fontserver under cygwin. I'd like to be able to mount my C:\WINNT\Fonts directory under the Cygwin tree, run a fontserver pointed at that directory, and so give all other *nix machines and Windows machines running either Cygwin\XFree86 or StarNet's X-Win32 access to my fonts. I'm running Cygwin and Cygwin XFree86 4.0.3 under Windows 2000. My first attempt was compiling xfstt. This compiled fine. I mounted my windows fonts directory as /usr/share/fonts/truetype, ran 'xfstt --sync', which correctly told me that i had 112 fonts, than ran xfstt. On another machine I pointed X-Win32 at the maching running xfstt, port 7101, and it told me it was unusable. Trying to connect to it from a linux box (using xset fp+ inet/i.p.address:7101) gave a heap of errors under linux, while xfstt reported 'byteorder mismatch'. I was thinking next of trying to compile xfsft, but (as far as I can work out) it needs the XFree86 3.*.* source to patch. Has anyone else attempted this? More importantly, has anyone else succeeded in doing this? ;-) Thanks, Jon. From sureshpremis@aol.com Fri May 18 10:50:00 2001 From: sureshpremis@aol.com (Suresh Prem) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:50:00 -0000 Subject: Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO Message-ID: <3B058917.A8A3897E@aol.com> Hi All, I just installed cygwin-xfree and when i try to run startxwin.bat from the ms-dos prompt, I get the following error messages. C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin>startxwin.bat C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin>_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking winAdjustVideoModeShadowDDNL () - Command line depth: 16, using depth: 8 winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1024 height 768 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00000000 00000000 00000000 RGB 0 d 8 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Calling miSetVisualTypesAndMasks winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning 0 [main] XWin 1016 handle_exceptions: Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ ZERO 695 [main] XWin 1016 stackdump: Dumping stack trace to XWin.exe.stackdump XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server "127.0.0.1:0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. As per some of the advice i got from this list my startxwin.bat looks like this: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 SET PATH=.;%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin REM SET XFCE_DATA=\cygwin\usr\X11R6\var; xfce REM *********THIS PART COMMENTED OUT. IF YOU WANT TO USE NOHUP, UNCOMMENT EVERYT HING AND COMMENT OUT START BELOW******** REM G:\Cygwin\bin\bash -c "/usr/bin/nohup /usr/bin/bash -c ""/bin/bash -c 'xwin -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4'&""&" REM bash -c "/usr/bin/nohup /usr/bin/bash -c ""/usr/bin/bash -c './xterm -sb -s l 2048 -font 7x13bold -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e /usr/bin/bas h' &""&" & REM bash -c "/usr/bin/nohup /usr/bin/bash -c ""/usr/bin/bash -c './mxterm -sb - sl 2048 -font 7x13bold -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e /usr/bin/ba sh' &""&" & REM bash -c "/usr/bin/nohup /usr/bin/bash -c ""/usr/bin/bash -c './rxvt -fn 7x13 bold -e /usr/bin/bash' &""&" & REM bash -c "/usr/bin/nohup /usr/bin/bash -c ""/usr/bin/bash -c './xfwm' &""&" REM ***************** TO USE WINDOWS START COMMAND********************* start /B XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 start /B rxvt -fn "Lucida Console-12" -e bash start /B xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e /usr/bin/b ash REM start /B mxterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e /usr/ bin/bash start /B twm REM start mwm REM start vtwm REM set stty=intr ^c susp ^z start ^q stop ^s quit ^\\ erase ^? @echo on --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anything i am missing that leads to this problem? Any ideas in resolving this problem will be greatly appreciated. From miguel@howards.org Fri May 18 10:57:00 2001 From: miguel@howards.org (Michael Howard) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:57:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 Message-ID: I just tried unsuccessfully to install cygwin/xfree86 4.0.3 on a clean WinME laptop * as reported by several others, it starts to run, but no apps come up (the lights are on, but nobody's home) * I got a startup error regarding the SecurityPolicy file error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy * this path includes a symbolic link lrwxrwxrwx 1 michael 544 134 May 17 19:14 xserver -> ../../../.././ etc/X11/xserver * there was no etc/X11 directory created as part of the tar installation process * mkfontdir.tar creates cygwin/etc/X11/... seems like a bug - I did a mv /cygwin/etc/X11 /etc * none of the tarballs reference the SecurityPolicy file, but it is included alongside the .bz2 files in the distribution * I created the /etc/X11/xserver directory by hand and put the SecurityPolicy file in there. * The SecurityPolicy error message went away * But xterm still doesn't work Please advise mth -------------------------------------------- Michael T Howard michael@howards.org 23 Algonquin Avenue cell 978-764-0920 Andover MA 01810-5527 home 978-474-4559 -------------------------------------------- From huntharo@msu.edu Fri May 18 12:01:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:01:00 -0000 Subject: Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO References: <3B058917.A8A3897E@aol.com> Message-ID: Cygwin/XFree86 does not currently support 8 bits per pixel. You need to switch Windows into a depth other than 8 bpp, as Cygwin/XFree86 must run at the current depth being used by Windows, unless you are running in fullscreen with a DirectDraw engine, in which case Cygwin/XFree86 will change the bit depth the value passed on the command line. In other words, the depth that you pass to Cygwin/XFree86 is ignored in most cases. Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Fri May 18 12:02:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:02:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: Michael, Seems to me that you probably didn't see the User's Guide. Follow the instructions in the User's Guide exactly. http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-ug.html Harold From dreiland@hotmail.com Fri May 18 12:59:00 2001 From: dreiland@hotmail.com (Doug Reiland) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:59:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 Message-ID: Well, I believed I followed the install guide. In fact, there was not really much to do. unzip, and tar, right??? I can't get this to work, either. Seems like there are a lot of us that can't get this to work. Looking at the archives, it appears that only one person that has seen this problem has been able to move past it. That was something about a sock proxy. I am not sure what that is. I have seen the listing/suggestions about netstat/telnet, etc..., but again no resolution or outcomes. If anybody has gotten past this problem, please post your findings/solution to this email list. If anybody knows how to help, I believe a lot of folks (me included) would like to hear from you. Also, I am attempting to build this thing to debug this issue. If anybody has the steps needed to build via gcc, I would love to get those as well. I thought I saw somewhere the supported compilers, and the gcc from cygwin was not listed. If I have to use the (xwing/ming??)version, that's fine. I would still like to have the steps needed to build (gcc, win98, x86). Thanks, Doug _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From nzanella@cs.mun.ca Fri May 18 14:41:00 2001 From: nzanella@cs.mun.ca (Neil Zanella) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:41:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: Have you looked in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 and /usr/lib/X11 ? Perhaps you can make a symlink to /etc/X11. On Fri, 18 May 2001, Michael Howard wrote: > > I just tried unsuccessfully to install cygwin/xfree86 4.0.3 on a clean WinME > laptop > > * as reported by several others, it starts to run, but no apps come up > (the lights are on, but nobody's home) > * I got a startup error regarding the SecurityPolicy file > error opening security policy file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > * this path includes a symbolic link > lrwxrwxrwx 1 michael 544 134 May 17 19:14 xserver -> > ../../../.././ > etc/X11/xserver > * there was no etc/X11 directory created as part of the tar installation > process > * mkfontdir.tar creates cygwin/etc/X11/... > seems like a bug > - I did a mv /cygwin/etc/X11 /etc > * none of the tarballs reference the SecurityPolicy file, but it is > included > alongside the .bz2 files in the distribution > * I created the /etc/X11/xserver directory by hand and put the > SecurityPolicy file > in there. > * The SecurityPolicy error message went away > * But xterm still doesn't work > > Please advise > mth > > -------------------------------------------- > Michael T Howard michael@howards.org > 23 Algonquin Avenue cell 978-764-0920 > Andover MA 01810-5527 home 978-474-4559 > -------------------------------------------- > From nzanella@cs.mun.ca Fri May 18 14:44:00 2001 From: nzanella@cs.mun.ca (Neil Zanella) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:44:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 May 2001, Doug Reiland wrote: > Well, I believed I followed the install guide. In fact, there was not really > much to do. unzip, and tar, right??? > I can't get this to work, either. Seems like there are a lot of us that > can't get this to work. Looking at the archives, it appears that only one > person that has seen this problem has been able to move past it. That was > something about a sock proxy. I am not sure what that is. After you run the Cygwin setup.exe you have to run it again to ensure that all packags wee downloaded successfully as often they are not. Most lokely your log file will show yo tha you are missing the gzip or tar package or something like that. Just run setup.exe and it will tell you if some packages were not downloaded and it will prompt you t get them if they are missing. Repeat this step until all packages have been downloaded. -- Neil From miguel@howards.org Fri May 18 15:16:00 2001 From: miguel@howards.org (Michael Howard) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:16:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: I went through the installation several times. After the first time I tried to be exceedingly careful to follow the User's Guide instructions After the second failure I repulled all the files from another mirror. I diffed these with the previous files and found no differences. -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 2:57 PM To: Michael Howard Cc: cygx Subject: RE: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 Michael, Seems to me that you probably didn't see the User's Guide. Follow the instructions in the User's Guide exactly. http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-ug.html Harold From miguel@howards.org Fri May 18 15:22:00 2001 From: miguel@howards.org (Michael Howard) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:22:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: The xserver directory in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 is a symlink to /etc/X11/xserver. I do not have a /usr/lib/X11 directory (on my linux box /usr/lib/X11 is a symlink to ../X11R6/lib/X11) I'm not sure what you mean by "Perhaps you can make a symlink to /etc/X11." Where would it go to? Thanks, Michael -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Neil Zanella Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:41 PM To: Michael Howard Cc: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: Re: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 Have you looked in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 and /usr/lib/X11 ? Perhaps you can make a symlink to /etc/X11. On Fri, 18 May 2001, Michael Howard wrote: > > I just tried unsuccessfully to install cygwin/xfree86 4.0.3 on a clean WinME > laptop > > * as reported by several others, it starts to run, but no apps come up > (the lights are on, but nobody's home) > * I got a startup error regarding the SecurityPolicy file > error opening security policy file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > * this path includes a symbolic link > lrwxrwxrwx 1 michael 544 134 May 17 19:14 xserver -> > ../../../.././ > etc/X11/xserver > * there was no etc/X11 directory created as part of the tar installation > process > * mkfontdir.tar creates cygwin/etc/X11/... > seems like a bug > - I did a mv /cygwin/etc/X11 /etc > * none of the tarballs reference the SecurityPolicy file, but it is > included > alongside the .bz2 files in the distribution > * I created the /etc/X11/xserver directory by hand and put the > SecurityPolicy file > in there. > * The SecurityPolicy error message went away > * But xterm still doesn't work > > Please advise > mth > > -------------------------------------------- > Michael T Howard michael@howards.org > 23 Algonquin Avenue cell 978-764-0920 > Andover MA 01810-5527 home 978-474-4559 > -------------------------------------------- > From huntharo@msu.edu Fri May 18 15:24:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:24:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: Michael, There aren't supposed to be any files in /etc/X11. Cygwin/XFree86 is not a port of the xfree86 server, per se, rather, Cygwin/XFree86 is a seperate server that is part of the XFree86 project. We do not use /etc/X11/XF86Config etc. I referred you to the User's Guide because the User's Guide tells you how to install and configure correctly. Actually, there isn't much to configure... we detect your bit depth on startup and we shrink the specified window size if it is too large. Have you tried starting the server per the instructions in the User's Guide? Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Howard [ mailto:miguel@howards.org ] > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 4:34 PM > To: Harold Hunt > Subject: RE: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 > > > Harold, > > Thanks for taking the time to respond to my posting. > > I went through the installation several times before I submitted > my posting. > I just went through it again and don't see what I am doing wrong. > > I did the unzipping inside cygwin from my / directory (which happens to > correspond to c:\cygwin). > > It looks like to me that none of the .tar files are putting any files in > /etc/X11 > I ran the command > for tar in *.tar ; do echo $tar ; tar -tf $tar | grep /etc/X11; done > to check > > It probably is something that I am doing ... but I don't know what it is. > > Any more specific recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 2:57 PM > To: Michael Howard > Cc: cygx > Subject: RE: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 > > > Michael, > > Seems to me that you probably didn't see the User's Guide. Follow the > instructions in the User's Guide exactly. > > http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-ug.html > > Harold > From miguel@howards.org Fri May 18 15:28:00 2001 From: miguel@howards.org (Michael Howard) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:28:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: I just went back to www.cygwin.com, clicked Install Cygwin Now, and got the message Nothing to Install/Update in the Cygwin Setup dialog box Michael -----Original Message----- From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Neil Zanella Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:44 PM To: Doug Reiland Cc: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: RE: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 On Fri, 18 May 2001, Doug Reiland wrote: > Well, I believed I followed the install guide. In fact, there was not really > much to do. unzip, and tar, right??? > I can't get this to work, either. Seems like there are a lot of us that > can't get this to work. Looking at the archives, it appears that only one > person that has seen this problem has been able to move past it. That was > something about a sock proxy. I am not sure what that is. After you run the Cygwin setup.exe you have to run it again to ensure that all packags wee downloaded successfully as often they are not. Most lokely your log file will show yo tha you are missing the gzip or tar package or something like that. Just run setup.exe and it will tell you if some packages were not downloaded and it will prompt you t get them if they are missing. Repeat this step until all packages have been downloaded. -- Neil From nzanella@cs.mun.ca Fri May 18 15:37:00 2001 From: nzanella@cs.mun.ca (Neil Zanella) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:37:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 May 2001, Michael Howard wrote: > The xserver directory in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 is a symlink to > /etc/X11/xserver. > I do not have a /usr/lib/X11 directory > (on my linux box /usr/lib/X11 is a symlink to ../X11R6/lib/X11) > > I'm not sure what you mean by "Perhaps you can make a symlink to /etc/X11." > Where would it go to? If you really needed then ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 /etc/X11 Neil From nzanella@cs.mun.ca Fri May 18 15:41:00 2001 From: nzanella@cs.mun.ca (Neil Zanella) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:41:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 May 2001, Michael Howard wrote: > I just went back to www.cygwin.com, clicked Install Cygwin Now, and got the > message > Nothing to Install/Update > in the Cygwin Setup dialog box That's good. Now follow the XFree86 instructions and eventually run ./startxwin.bat from the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 directory. This should get your X environment showing up. Neil From s_a_shaikh@yahoo.com Fri May 18 15:52:00 2001 From: s_a_shaikh@yahoo.com (Shamsul A Shaikh) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:52:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: what I did was to create was create the directory /etc/X11/xserver and then copied the file SecurityPolicy file to that directory. That seemed to the trick for me (WinME upgraded from Win98SE) Shams -----Original Message----- On Fri, 18 May 2001, Michael Howard wrote: > The xserver directory in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 is a symlink to > /etc/X11/xserver. > I do not have a /usr/lib/X11 directory > (on my linux box /usr/lib/X11 is a symlink to ../X11R6/lib/X11) > > I'm not sure what you mean by "Perhaps you can make a symlink to /etc/X11." > Where would it go to? If you really needed then ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 /etc/X11 Neil _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From huntharo@msu.edu Fri May 18 23:06:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:06:00 -0000 Subject: Started on Docbook based FAQ References: <002601c0c938$03649990$2fab0a23@huntharo> Message-ID: Just to follow up, I am still working on the FAQ and have answered a substantial number of questions. I have a few questions that I don't know the answers to, and I will be posting a draft FAQ soon to solicit answers to those questions. Didn't want anyone to think that I had given up on rewriting the FAQ in DocBook :) Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:20 PM > To: Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: Started on Docbook based FAQ > > > Just a heads up: > > I've started rewriting the FAQ using Docbook/SGML. > > It's coming along nicely :) > > Harold From darko.palic@gmx.de Sat May 19 03:48:00 2001 From: darko.palic@gmx.de (Palic, Darko) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 03:48:00 -0000 Subject: WG: Test 23 crash Message-ID: <001501c0e051$4b4ffd00$0a01a8c0@earth> Hello, I????m running test23 since release. I use it under Win2k SP1 engl. and connect to a remote Suse 7.1 via xdmcp. Sometimes, when I try to login under KDE2 the X closes without any error. This behaviour occurs also sometimes under KDE2 when try to open a new application. Does anyone have a suggestion? How can I dump the output of the XWin.exe into a file not onto the cmd window? Is it possible to get rid of the opening cmd window, when starting xwin? Okay what was my problem report, but now a have a maybe very simple question: - How can should my cygwin.bat look to start the X automatically ? It should do: 1. start cygwin 2. jump into a /usr/X11R6/bin 3. ./startxwin.bat any suggestions? regards, Darko From dreiland@hotmail.com Sat May 19 04:48:00 2001 From: dreiland@hotmail.com (Doug Reiland) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 04:48:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 Message-ID: >From: Neil Zanella >To: Doug Reiland >CC: >Subject: RE: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:14:16 -0230 (NDT) > >On Fri, 18 May 2001, Doug Reiland wrote: > > > > Well, I believed I followed the install guide. In fact, there was not >really > > much to do. unzip, and tar, right??? > > I can't get this to work, either. Seems like there are a lot of us that > > can't get this to work. Looking at the archives, it appears that only >one > > person that has seen this problem has been able to move past it. That >was > > something about a sock proxy. I am not sure what that is. > >After you run the Cygwin setup.exe you have to run it again to ensure that >all packags wee downloaded successfully as often they are not. Most lokely >your log file will show yo tha you are missing the gzip or tar package or >something like that. Just run setup.exe and it will tell you if some >packages were not downloaded and it will prompt you t get them if they >are missing. Repeat this step until all packages have been downloaded. > >-- Neil > I don't have any problem downloading and installing cygwin or the xfree86 stuff. My point was there is not much to it. I just can't get my xserver to work. From the outside looking in, it appears to be the same problem as these other posts. "can't open display" or the startx script getting "not accepting connections". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sat May 19 05:40:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 05:40:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A40@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > I don't have any problem downloading and installing cygwin or the xfree86 > stuff. My point was there is not much to it. I just can't get my xserver > to > work. From the outside looking in, it appears to be the same problem as > these other posts. "can't open display" or the startx script getting "not > accepting connections". > Cannot Open Display -- of local clients or remote? Are you in a firewalled Network? Sorry I had been to busy and was not following this thread. You may have Already posted answer to my questions. Suhaib > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Sat May 19 07:39:00 2001 From: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 07:39:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin + XPM + fvwm References: Message-ID: <20010519103907.C7115@redhat.com> The "Cygwin Team" actually decided to use a separate mailing list for X related questions. Please confine your X observations to the cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com mailing lsit. You might also want to adjust your thinking away from offering suggestions to actually offering specific code to implement your ideas. That is the fastest way to turn a good idea into reality. cgf On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 07:14:47AM -0230, Neil Zanella wrote: >I ran fvwm2's configure on the latest net release of cygwin and I got a >message in a windows dialog box saying that the file libXpm.dll could not >be found in the specified path. For some reason it looks like the cygwin >team decided to place many dll files including libXpm.dll under >/usr/X11R6/bin or cygpath -w /usr/X11R6/bin to be precise. >Perhaps this decision was made because the windows Path >variable is used to point to both dll files and executables. >I resolved the problem by doing the following before running >the configure script: > >export PATH=$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin > >IMHO either fvwm2's configure should look in that place for the >file or cygwin should come with a preconfigured PATH variable including >thedirectory /usr/X11R6/bin as xpm is part of the cygwin package. >No other errors were encountered when installing fvwm2! > >Thanks! From ewu@eskimo.com Sat May 19 09:21:00 2001 From: ewu@eskimo.com (Enoch Wu) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:21:00 -0000 Subject: WG: Test 23 crash References: <001501c0e051$4b4ffd00$0a01a8c0@earth> Message-ID: <20010519093651.A3927361@MELON> On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 12:48:51PM +0200, Palic, Darko wrote: > Hello, > > - How can should my cygwin.bat look to start the X automatically ? > It should do: > 1. start cygwin > 2. jump into a /usr/X11R6/bin > 3. ./startxwin.bat > any suggestions? > > regards, > Darko > Darko, Create a file called .bash_login in your home directory with the following commands: startx & exit Look at the setup files at http://www.eskimo.com/~ewu/cygwin/xfree86/x-startup EW From ryk@ryklaptop Sat May 19 14:30:00 2001 From: ryk@ryklaptop (Richard Y. Kim) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:30:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: <15110.58972.293937.630530@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "HH" == Harold Hunt writes: HH> HH> Michael, HH> Seems to me that you probably didn't see the User's HH> Guide. Follow the instructions in the User's Guide HH> exactly. HH> HH> http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-ug.html I also had trouble when I followed the instructions at this url on several W2k machines. I recall not being able to start the X server after following the instruction "exactly". For example, I believe the startxwin.bat file refers to `xfce' which is not part of the default tarballs. I happened to find xfce tarball under `contrib' directory which seems to work. After poking around I figured out a way to run X server. After that, I wrote the following makefile to automate the process of installing cygwin-xfree. This is what I did to run cygwin X server on several W2k machines. YMMV. # The directory under which the cygwin binaries are mirrored. CYGWIN_MIRROR = cygwin cygwin-x : # # Unpack xfree86-4.0.3-*.tar.bz2 # @for x in $(CYGWIN_MIRROR)/xfree/xc-4-binaries/4.0.3/xfree86-4.0.3-*.tar.bz2; do \ echo "Unpacking $$x ..."; \ bunzip2 -c $$x | (cd /; tar xvf -); \ done # # I don't think the user's guide says anything about # this, but the `startx' or `startxwin.bat' files # refer to xfce which is not in the tarballs just # unpacked. However it does seem to be in a tarball # in the `contrib' directory. # bunzip2 -c $(CYGWIN_MIRROR)/xfree/contrib/xfce-3.4.4-cygwin.tar.bz2 | (cd /; tar xvf -) # # It looks like I need to install /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy # based on the error message I get if I try to start # the X server. # test -d /etc/X11/xserver || mkdir /etc/X11/xserver cp -p $(CYGWIN_MIRROR)/xfree/xc-4-binaries/4.0.3/SecurityPolicy /etc/X11/xserver # # etc-x11-vtwm.tar.bz2 has the sample X config files which unpacks # under /example-x11-rc directory. I use .xinitrc # from this directory. # bunzip2 -c $(CYGWIN_MIRROR)/xfree/xc-4-binaries/4.0.3/etc-x11-vtwm.tar.bz2 \ | (cd "`cygpath -w /`\\.." && tar xf -) # # The default screen size is too small for me. So change it. # echo "xwin -screen 0 1000x768x24" > $(HOME)/.xserverrc # # The default startxwin.bat file starts X server, but I cannot figure out a way # to launch xterm after the X server starts. So # this is a hack to change the last line of the # sample .xinitrc file to launch xterm for me. # @if [ -f $(HOME)/.xinitrc ]; then \ test -f $(HOME)/.xinitrc-orig || cp -p $(HOME)/.xinitrc $(HOME)/.xinitrc-orig; \ fi sed 's/exec xfwm/xterm \& ; exec xfwm/' /example-x11-rc/.xinitrc-orig > $(HOME)/.xinitrc From Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com Sun May 20 09:59:00 2001 From: Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com (Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com) Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 09:59:00 -0000 Subject: Connection reset by peer Message-ID: <85256A52.005D5979.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> I installed xfree86 recently and received the following error when using "startxwin.bat". XIO: fatal IO error 104 with 0 events remaining. XIO: fatal IO error 104 on X server "localhost:0.0" after 0 requests <0 known processed> with 0 events remaining. Something must be wrong with my configuration. Any clues? Thanks Rich Larrabee From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun May 20 11:01:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:01:00 -0000 Subject: Connection reset by peer Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A42@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Do you see an X Window on your screen or not? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com [ mailto:Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com ] > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 1:01 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Connection reset by peer > > > > I installed xfree86 recently and received the following error when using > "startxwin.bat". > > XIO: fatal IO error 104 known > processed> with 0 events remaining. > > XIO: fatal IO error 104 on X server > "localhost:0.0" > after 0 requests <0 known processed> with 0 events remaining. > > > Something must be wrong with my configuration. Any clues? > > Thanks > > Rich Larrabee From jbdoll@kepri.re.kr Sun May 20 21:03:00 2001 From: jbdoll@kepri.re.kr (Jong B. Lee) Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:03:00 -0000 Subject: WindowMaker and XFree86 References: <200105101559.LAA10054@saltlake.dev.smallworld.com> Message-ID: <000001c0e1ab$57bdfd20$8b0c4ea8@kepri.re.kr> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: WindowMaker and XFree86 > All, > > I recently compiled WindowMaker 0.64.0 on my Windows NT 4.0 SP5 box using CygWin 1.3.1 and XFree86 4.03. > I'm wondering if anyone has a similar setup as I have and is experiencing a couple of annoying glitches and some inoperability. > To save time, here's a short list of things: > > 1. First and foremost, gcc crashed my Win98 machine when I tried to compile the libPropList required for WindowMaker, which is why I'm only using it on Winnt libPropList compiles OOTB, as Suhaib said. > 2. WindowMaker doesn't consistently load the first time I run startxwin.bat > 3. When WindowMaker does come up, I get the following message: "wmsetbg warning: could not open domain file /home/administrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WindowMaker". > 4. Any changes I make to my are saved to /home/adminstrator/GNUstep/Defaults/WMstate when I save them, but are not loaded when I restart WindowMaker for another session later For 2, 3, and 4 Modify your startxwin.bat I'm using this command, and have no problem like that. start bash -c "/usr/bin/nohup /usr/bin/bash -c ""/usr/bin/bash -c 'wmaker' &""&" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > startxwin.bat (REM'd lines removed): > > @echo off > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > SET PATH=.;%PATH%;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\usr\local\bin > > start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 > start wmaker& > @echo on > From jaguadom@ebusiness.genetsis.com Mon May 21 03:30:00 2001 From: jaguadom@ebusiness.genetsis.com (Javier Aguado) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 03:30:00 -0000 Subject: xview source Message-ID: <002901c0e1e0$24cbe500$760f14ac@ebusiness.genetsis.com> Hi all I installed cygwin&xfree4.0.3 and i need the xview. somebody knows where i can found the source of xview (or a binarie if it's ported)? Thanks Javier Aguado From nico.pieterse@grontmij.nl Mon May 21 06:02:00 2001 From: nico.pieterse@grontmij.nl (nico.pieterse@grontmij.nl) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:02:00 -0000 Subject: unable to start Graphics driver Message-ID: Hi there, Because I want to use the GIS program Grass, I just installed the newest version of Cygnus and Xfree in my NT4.0 computer. By giving the grass command d.mon x0 is should start up a graphics driver. Instead, I recieved an error message: GRASS:/usr/X11R6/bin > d.mon x0 using default visual which is TrueColor Visual is read-only or using private colormap ncolors: 32768 allocating memory... Graphics driver [x0] started ERROR - eof from graphic monitor Problem selecting x0. Will try once more Socket is already in use or not accepting connections Use d.mon to select a monitor I tried to use gs (escher.ps) to find out if it is a Xfree or Grass problem. gs exits with errors (unexpected interpreter error -20) I am using my computre standalone, and all rights are mine. None of the files is read-only Can anyone help me out??? Greetings, Nico M. Pieterse From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon May 21 06:09:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:09:00 -0000 Subject: unable to start Graphics driver Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A44@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> This seems to be grass problem? Did you compile Grass X-version on Windows NT Using Cygwin or are you trying to connect to a remote Grass client? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: nico.pieterse@grontmij.nl [ mailto:nico.pieterse@grontmij.nl ] > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:03 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@xfree.cygwin.com > Subject: unable to start Graphics driver > > > Hi there, > > Because I want to use the GIS program Grass, I just installed > the newest > version of Cygnus and Xfree in my NT4.0 computer. By giving the grass > command d.mon x0 is should start up a graphics driver. > Instead, I recieved > an error message: > > GRASS:/usr/X11R6/bin > d.mon x0 > using default visual which is TrueColor > Visual is read-only or using private colormap > ncolors: 32768 > allocating memory... > Graphics driver [x0] started > ERROR - eof from graphic monitor > Problem selecting x0. Will try once more > Socket is already in use or not accepting connections > Use d.mon to select a monitor > > I tried to use gs (escher.ps) to find out if it is a Xfree or Grass > problem. gs exits with errors (unexpected interpreter error > -20) I am using my computre standalone, and all rights are > mine. None of the > files is read-only > Can anyone help me out??? > > Greetings, > > Nico M. Pieterse > From dreiland@hotmail.com Mon May 21 06:37:00 2001 From: dreiland@hotmail.com (Doug Reiland) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:37:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 Message-ID: >>I don't have any problem downloading and installing cygwin or the xfree86 >>stuff. My point was there is not much to it. I just can't get my >>xserver >>to work. From the outside looking in, it appears to be the same >>problem >>as these other posts. "can't open display" or the startx script >>getting >>"not accepting connections". >Cannot Open Display -- of local clients or remote? Are you in a > >firewalled Network? Sorry I had been to busy and was not following this >thread. You may >have Already posted answer to my questions. >Suhaib I am stuck at the basics: I can't get local clients to work. I have a standalone Win 98 Se PC. Thanks, Doug _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From jkennedy@energis.co.uk Mon May 21 07:37:00 2001 From: jkennedy@energis.co.uk (jkennedy@energis.co.uk) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:37:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin Message-ID: <80256A53.0050185A.00@emg.energis.co.uk> Hi, Anybody seen the below errors _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from list! Also I appear to be missing cygncurses5.dll - which surprises me as all the installs went on just fine. 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I have a | standalone Win 98 Se PC. What are you doing to load the TCP/IP-stack?? Do you have a modem installed and the TCP/IP, socket drivers and so on installed or?? Can you do 'ping 127.0.0.1' ?? /Andy From kdekorte@yahoo.com Mon May 21 11:12:00 2001 From: kdekorte@yahoo.com (Kevin DeKorte) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:12:00 -0000 Subject: Minor Change to startxwin.bat Message-ID: <20010521170838.39221.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Suihab, In the startxwin.bat I believe the path statement should look like this SET PATH=.;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\usr\bin;\cygwin\usr\local\bin;%PATH% If the %PATH% var comes first, the Windows telnet and ftp programs are tried first and they don't work inside of XFree. Kevin ===== --------------------------------- Kevin DeKorte kdekorte@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From huntharo@msu.edu Mon May 21 11:49:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:49:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin References: <80256A53.0050185A.00@emg.energis.co.uk> Message-ID: Jake, > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > error opening security policy file Ignore those messages. > Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, > removing from > list! You most likely extracted the Cygwin/XFree86 tarballs using WinZip or something similar. WinZip does not understand the Cygwin end of line characters nor does it understand Cygwin symlinks, so using WinZip to extract the tarballs causes corruption in the extracted files. Follow the installation instructions in the Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide; http://xfree86.cygwin.com/doc/howto/cygwin-xfree-ug.html Thank you for your interest in our project, Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Mon May 21 11:49:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:49:00 -0000 Subject: Minor Change to startxwin.bat References: <20010521170838.39221.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kevin, I agree, running the wrong telnet and ftp programs are problems that users commonly report. Harold From dreiland@hotmail.com Mon May 21 12:38:00 2001 From: dreiland@hotmail.com (Doug Reiland) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:38:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 Message-ID: Yes, I can ping 127.0.0.1. I have a modem installed. Also, I had a wireless adapter installed that gets a static ip address. The wireless stuff (intel anypoint) required the system be given a name. i called the system HOMEBASE. I have attempted setting DISPLAY to: 127.0.0.1:0.0 HOMEBASE:0.0 homebase:0.0 :0.0 nothing has worked. My xserver windows appears. The netstat output shows , a connection on port 6000, and I am able to telnet (a debug step from another posting) to that port. However, local clients (I really don't have a way to try remote) cannot seem to get to the xserver (cannot locate/connect to display msg). Whatever I set the DISPLAY to, netstat shows a couple of tcp connections. Something like: local address foreign address 127.0.0.1: 127.0.0.1:6000 or if a change DISPLAY to HOMEBASE:0.0 HOMEBASE: HOMEBASE:6000 I guess that is correct??? thanks, Doug >From: Andrew Markebo >To: "Doug Reiland" >CC: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com >Subject: Re: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 >Date: 21 May 2001 19:42:37 +0200 > >/ "Doug Reiland" wrote: >| [...] >| I am stuck at the basics: I can't get local clients to work. I have a >| standalone Win 98 Se PC. > >What are you doing to load the TCP/IP-stack?? Do you have a modem >installed and the TCP/IP, socket drivers and so on installed or?? > >Can you do 'ping 127.0.0.1' ?? > > /Andy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon May 21 14:04:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:04:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A4B@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Are you starting the local clients from the same DOS Window or Bash shell you started The Xserver and set DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0? If not then you will need to set DISPLAY In every window (DOS or bash) before starting local cleints. You can also set the DISPLAY in autoexec.bat file and reboot that way... Whatever you prefer. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Reiland [ mailto:dreiland@hotmail.com ] > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:39 PM > To: flognat@flognat.myip.org > Cc: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 > > > > Yes, I can ping 127.0.0.1. I have a modem installed. Also, I > had a wireless > adapter installed that gets a static ip address. The wireless > stuff (intel > anypoint) required the system be given a name. > > i called the system HOMEBASE. I have attempted setting > DISPLAY to: 127.0.0.1:0.0 HOMEBASE:0.0 homebase:0.0 :0.0 > > nothing has worked. My xserver windows appears. The netstat > output shows , a > connection on port 6000, and I am able to telnet (a debug > step from another > posting) to that port. However, local clients (I really don't > have a way to > try remote) cannot seem to get to the xserver (cannot > locate/connect to > display msg). > > Whatever I set the DISPLAY to, netstat shows a couple of tcp > connections. > Something like: > > local address foreign address > 127.0.0.1: 127.0.0.1:6000 > > or if a change DISPLAY to HOMEBASE:0.0 > > HOMEBASE: HOMEBASE:6000 > > I guess that is correct??? > > thanks, > Doug > > >From: Andrew Markebo > >To: "Doug Reiland" > >CC: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > >Subject: Re: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 > >Date: 21 May 2001 19:42:37 +0200 > > > >/ "Doug Reiland" wrote: > >| [...] > >| I am stuck at the basics: I can't get local clients to > work. I have a > >| standalone Win 98 Se PC. > > > >What are you doing to load the TCP/IP-stack?? Do you have a modem > >installed and the TCP/IP, socket drivers and so on installed or?? > > > >Can you do 'ping 127.0.0.1' ?? > > > > /Andy > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From dreiland@hotmail.com Mon May 21 14:15:00 2001 From: dreiland@hotmail.com (Doug Reiland) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:15:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 Message-ID: >Are you starting the local clients from the same DOS Window or Bash >shell >you started >The Xserver and set DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0? If not then you will need >to >set DISPLAY >In every window (DOS or bash) before starting local cleints. You can >also >set the DISPLAY in autoexec.bat file and reboot that way... Whatever you > >prefer. >Suhaib The environment variable is set correctly. This is verified by the fact that the client program prints an error message when it cannot connect that includes the display (.i.e. cannot connect to display 127.0.0.1:0.0) Doug _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From erico@abelia.ocn.ne.jp Mon May 21 14:53:00 2001 From: erico@abelia.ocn.ne.jp (erico@abelia.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:53:00 -0000 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOkc2YSRJJCYhKRsoQg==?= Message-ID: <200105212152.GAA05013@abelia.ocn.ne.jp> $B!z!z(B Chyoi Machi Mail $B!z!z(B $B>pJsDs6!4k6HL>(B : NET-DOCONO $B"!!~"!(B http://sv.g-spot.to/docono/ $B$M$'$M$'J9$$$F!*(B $B$*$7$c$l$G$+$C$3$$$$?M$,$$$C$Q$$$i$7$$!#(B $B$h$+$C$?$iGA$$$F$_$F!*(B $B$-$C$H!"$$$$=P2q$$$,$"$k$h!#(B http://sv.g-spot.to/docono/ $B"!!~"!(B Chyoi machi Mail $B$K4X$9$k$40U8+Ey(B erico@abelia.ocn.ne.jp $B$^$G(B From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon May 21 17:30:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:30:00 -0000 Subject: ????? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A4C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> We need to really ban these JAPANESE IDIOTS. I have on my company SMTP servers banned the entire Japan domain. I had enough of these Brain dead Japenese idiot spammers. > -----Original Message----- > From: erico@abelia.ocn.ne.jp [ mailto:erico@abelia.ocn.ne.jp ] > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:53 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: ????? > > $B!z!z(J Chyoi Machi Mail $B!z!z(J > $B>pJsDs6!4k6HL>(J : NET-DOCONO > > $B"!!~"!(J > http://sv.g-spot.to/docono/ > $B$M$'$M$'J9$$$F!*(J > $B$*$7$c$l$G$+$C$3$$$$?M$,$$$C$Q$$$i$7$$!#(J > $B$h$+$C$?$iGA$$$F$_$F!*(J > $B$-$C$H!"$$$$=P2q$$$,$"$k$h!#(J > http://sv.g-spot.to/docono/ > $B"!!~"!(J > > Chyoi machi Mail $B$K4X$9$k$40U8+Ey(J > erico@abelia.ocn.ne.jp $B$^$G(J From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon May 21 17:44:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:44:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A4D@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Then I do not know what else to say. Mostly it is a tcp/ip problem on your local machine. You need to troubleshoot at your end. It is difficult to guess Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Reiland [ mailto:dreiland@hotmail.com ] > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:15 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com; ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com > Subject: RE: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 > > >Are you starting the local clients from the same DOS Window or Bash > >shell > >you started > >The Xserver and set DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0? If not then you will need >to > >set DISPLAY > >In every window (DOS or bash) before starting local cleints. You can > >also > >set the DISPLAY in autoexec.bat file and reboot that way... Whatever you > > >prefer. > > >Suhaib > > The environment variable is set correctly. This is verified by the fact > that > the client program prints an error message when it cannot connect that > includes the display (.i.e. cannot connect to display 127.0.0.1:0.0) > > > Doug > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From cgf@redhat.com Mon May 21 17:54:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:54:00 -0000 Subject: ????? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A4C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010521205256.A17826@redhat.com> On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 08:30:23PM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >We need to really ban these JAPANESE IDIOTS. I have on my company SMTP >servers banned the entire Japan domain. I had enough of these >Brain dead Japenese idiot spammers. I block every bit of spam that I see in any cygwin mailing list. I don't have any way of blocking a specific domain. cgf From jbdoll@kepri.re.kr Mon May 21 18:32:00 2001 From: jbdoll@kepri.re.kr (Jong B. Lee) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:32:00 -0000 Subject: no /etc/X11 in 4.0.3 References: Message-ID: <003101c0e25f$78f58260$8b0c4ea8@kepri.re.kr> > > The environment variable is set correctly. This is verified by the fact that > the client program prints an error message when it cannot connect that > includes the display (.i.e. cannot connect to display 127.0.0.1:0.0) > > > Doug > This (cannot connect to display 127.0.0.1:0.0) can be happen when you start X-related utils befor running XWin. Is your startx.bat correct order? Jong B. Lee From huntharo@msu.edu Mon May 21 23:41:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 23:41:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft Message-ID: I have posted a draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html I have posted the SGML source to the draft at: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/src/fdl.sgml (Free Documentation License) http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/src/cygx-faq.sgml (FAQ source) I would appreciate any comments, suggestions, corrections, and additions. In particular I need help with 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, and 4.6 regarding non-U.S. keyboard layouts. Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold From staf.verhaegen@imec.be Mon May 21 23:59:00 2001 From: staf.verhaegen@imec.be (Staf Verhaegen) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 23:59:00 -0000 Subject: ????? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A4C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <3B0A0E47.8436043B@imec.be> Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > We need to really ban these JAPANESE IDIOTS. I have on my company SMTP > servers banned the entire Japan domain. I had enough of these > Brain dead Japenese idiot spammers. Please, We are an international mailing. We cannot exclude people because of a few spammers. Here at work I get much more spam from American companies then asian ones. Should I ask my system administrator to block all american emails ??? greets, Staf. +----------------------------------------+-----------------------------+ |Staf Verhaegen (staf.verhaegen@imec.be) |ADRESS: IMEC vzw. - ASP/LITHO| |tel: 016/ 281 783 | Kapeldreef 75 | |fax: 016/ 281 214 | 3001 Leuven (Belgium)| +----------------------------------------+-----------------------------+ For every tool there are at least 2 uses: the one it was designed for and the other for which it wasn't. From rkarcher@frey.de Tue May 22 00:17:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:17:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <20010522091510.A494@kar.berlin.frey.de> On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:41:32AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote > I have posted a draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > > I would appreciate any comments, suggestions, corrections, and additions. > > In particular I need help with 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, and 4.6 regarding non-U.S. > keyboard layouts. > 4.4: Alexander Gottwald has a modmap for a german keybord, which could be use as template for other layouts. I don't have the URL any more, perhaps some else could supply it. 4.6: Have you got any other source than my posting? I would like to know, if it is working for someone else too. Reinhard From francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr Tue May 22 01:06:00 2001 From: francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr (Francis VIVAT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:06:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <20010522091510.A494@kar.berlin.frey.de> Message-ID: <128501c0e296$54c12610$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Hi, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reinhard Karcher" To: "Harold Hunt" Sent: mardi 22 mai 2001 09:15 Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:41:32AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote > > I have posted a draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > > > > I would appreciate any comments, suggestions, corrections, and additions. > > > > In particular I need help with 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, and 4.6 regarding non-U.S. > > keyboard layouts. > > > > 4.4: Alexander Gottwald has a modmap for a german keybord, which could > be use as template for other layouts. I don't have the URL any more, > perhaps some else could supply it. > I have one for French keyboard. ftp://ftp.cetp.ipsl.fr/depot/xmodmap.fr > 4.6: Have you got any other source than my posting? I would like to know, > if it is working for someone else too. > I still have the octal value on screen (French layout). > Reinhard > CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) From rkarcher@frey.de Tue May 22 01:24:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:24:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <20010522091510.A494@kar.berlin.frey.de> <128501c0e296$54c12610$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Message-ID: <20010522102208.B494@kar.berlin.frey.de> On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 10:08:03AM +0200, Francis VIVAT wrote > > > 4.6: Have you got any other source than my posting? I would like to know, > > if it is working for someone else too. > > > > I still have the octal value on screen (French layout). > Are you sure that there are no typos in yout .inputrc? Is it in your $HOME? Is INPUTRC defined and points to a different file? Reinhard From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 22 01:36:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:36:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <000801c0e29a$049309c0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Before we start doing the FAQ in docbook - can you assemble a set of links to the software you are using to build it? IMO these _must_ be cygwin or win32 tools. Not all out contributors will have unix systems around. At the moment, all my attempts to get cygwin jade going have failed... Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "cygx" Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > I have posted a draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > > I have posted the SGML source to the draft at: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/src/fdl.sgml (Free Documentation > License) > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/src/cygx-faq.sgml (FAQ source) > > I would appreciate any comments, suggestions, corrections, and additions. > > In particular I need help with 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, and 4.6 regarding non-U.S. > keyboard layouts. > > Thank you for your interest in the project, > > Harold > > From karl.philipp@danet.de Tue May 22 02:11:00 2001 From: karl.philipp@danet.de (Karl Philipp) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 02:11:00 -0000 Subject: Missing error message using XWin.exe Message-ID: Hello, obviously XWin.exe uses files in /usr/bin, see below: Assume, I've forgotten to add the string '\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\bin' to the env variable PATH. If I invoke 'xwin.exe -' now, nothing happens. The prompt of the CLI (command line interface) returns immediately without any message. In the case I've added '\cygwin\bin' to the env variable PATH I receive a lot of command line parameters trying to launch 'xwin.exe -'. IMO, I would appreciate, when 'XWin.exe' outputs a error message, that it hasn't found certain programs which are necessary for the operation of 'XWin.exe'. greetings Karl Philipp --- Karl Philipp Phone : +49 6151 868 - 518 Fax : +49 6151 868 - 980 eMail : mailto:karl.philipp@danet.de Danet GmbH, Business Unit BI Gutenbergstr. 10 64331 Weiterstadt, Germany WWW : http://www.danet.de From Johannes.Becker@hrz.uni-giessen.de Tue May 22 02:15:00 2001 From: Johannes.Becker@hrz.uni-giessen.de (Johannes.Becker@hrz.uni-giessen.de) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 02:15:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <3B0A4A36.13578.5F01B1@localhost> Am 22 May 2001, um 2:41 schrieb Harold Hunt: > I have posted a draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html ... > In particular I need help with 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, and 4.6 regarding non-U.S. > keyboard layouts. I installed cygwin-xfree on Win98 and it looks good! some Notes: 1) startxwin.bat Win98 doesn't understand the "/B" option in lines like start /B xterm and Win98 complains about lack of space for environment variables. I therefore suggest that the main part of startxwin.bat is done in a shell script startxwin.sh. In my case Startxwin.bat looks like D: chdir \Programme\cygwin\bin bash --login -i -e /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.sh startxwin.sh is attached below. 2) a german xmodmap On SuSE-Linux the command xmodmap -pke > Xmodmap.de produced a keybord file that works fine with cygwin-xfree. See attachment. I added the xmodmap command to startxwin.sh (After installing cygwin-xfree there was no directory /etc/X11 Is that ok? ) 3) Displaying characters In order to display umlauts the file .inputrc has to be evaluated. Therefore it is necessary to add the option -ls to the xterm and rxvt commands in startxwin.sh Thanks for cygwin-xfree!! Johannes From francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr Tue May 22 03:01:00 2001 From: francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr (Francis VIVAT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:01:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <20010522091510.A494@kar.berlin.frey.de> <128501c0e296$54c12610$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> <20010522102208.B494@kar.berlin.frey.de> Message-ID: <131c01c0e2a6$62a409e0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reinhard Karcher" To: "Francis VIVAT" Sent: mardi 22 mai 2001 10:22 Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 10:08:03AM +0200, Francis VIVAT wrote > > > > > 4.6: Have you got any other source than my posting? I would like to know, > > > if it is working for someone else too. > > > > > > > I still have the octal value on screen (French layout). > > > > Are you sure that there are no typos in yout .inputrc? Is it in your > $HOME? Is INPUTRC defined and points to a different file? > If no .inputrc, pressing ???? makes a beep. With my .inputrc, pressing ???? makes \351 $ more .inputrc set intput-meta On # to show 8-bit characters set output-meta On # to show 8-bit characters set convert-meta Off # to show it as character, not the octal reprentation if convert-meta Off only, the result is the same (\351) CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) From rkarcher@frey.de Tue May 22 03:35:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 03:35:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <20010522091510.A494@kar.berlin.frey.de> <128501c0e296$54c12610$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> <20010522102208.B494@kar.berlin.frey.de> <131c01c0e2a6$62a409e0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Message-ID: <20010522123326.C494@kar.berlin.frey.de> On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 12:03:00PM +0200, Francis VIVAT wrote > If no .inputrc, pressing ???? makes a beep. > With my .inputrc, pressing ???? makes \351 > > $ more .inputrc > set intput-meta On # to show 8-bit characters > set output-meta On # to show 8-bit characters > set convert-meta Off # to show it as character, not the octal reprentation > > if convert-meta Off only, the result is the same (\351) > Sorry, no idea. With my bash setting convert-meta to On or Off toggles the display of the 8-bit character or the octal representation. Reinhard PS: No CC to my emailaddress necessary. I'm reading the list. From Johannes.Becker@hrz.uni-giessen.de Tue May 22 04:29:00 2001 From: Johannes.Becker@hrz.uni-giessen.de (Johannes.Becker@hrz.uni-giessen.de) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 04:29:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <131c01c0e2a6$62a409e0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> <20010522123326.C494@kar.berlin.frey.de> Message-ID: <3B0A69A3.22707.D9CAC4@localhost> > On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 12:03:00PM +0200, Francis VIVAT wrote > > If no .inputrc, pressing ???? makes a beep. > > With my .inputrc, pressing ???? makes \351 The behaviour depends on using bash or sh. Bash doesn't show umlauts while you type, but shows umlauts in echo commands. $ sh \[\033]0;\w\007 \033[32m\]\u@\h \[\033[33m\w\033[0m\] $ echo ???????????? ???????????? \[\033]0;\w\007 \033[32m\]\u@\h \[\033[33m\w\033[0m\] $ bash g013@BE / $ echo \344\366\374 ???????????? Regards Johannes From francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr Tue May 22 04:49:00 2001 From: francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr (Francis VIVAT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 04:49:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <131c01c0e2a6$62a409e0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> <3B0A69A3.22707.D9CAC4@localhost> Message-ID: <136301c0e2b5$86a126c0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> OK, echo works. $ echo \351 ???? CygWin folks, is it the normal behavior ? Thanks JB. CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: mardi 22 mai 2001 13:29 Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > > > On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 12:03:00PM +0200, Francis VIVAT wrote > > > If no .inputrc, pressing ???? makes a beep. > > > With my .inputrc, pressing ???? makes \351 > > The behaviour depends on using bash or sh. > Bash doesn't show umlauts while you type, but > shows umlauts in echo commands. > > $ sh > \[\033]0;\w\007 > \033[32m\]\u@\h \[\033[33m\w\033[0m\] > $ echo ???????????? > ???????????? > \[\033]0;\w\007 > \033[32m\]\u@\h \[\033[33m\w\033[0m\] > $ bash > > g013@BE / > $ echo \344\366\374 > ???????????? > > > Regards > Johannes > > > > From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Tue May 22 04:56:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 04:56:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <136301c0e2b5$86a126c0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2001, Francis VIVAT wrote: > OK, echo works. > > $ echo \351 > ???? > > CygWin folks, is it the normal behavior ? > Yes, it is. You can uses this notation if you can't enter the char with your keyboard (eg. nonprintable as tab, backspace..) bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From rkarcher@frey.de Tue May 22 04:59:00 2001 From: rkarcher@frey.de (Reinhard Karcher) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 04:59:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <131c01c0e2a6$62a409e0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> <3B0A69A3.22707.D9CAC4@localhost> <136301c0e2b5$86a126c0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Message-ID: <20010522135742.D494@kar.berlin.frey.de> On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 01:51:23PM +0200, Francis VIVAT wrote > $ echo \351 > ???? > > CygWin folks, is it the normal behavior ? > $ echo \351 351 $ echo ???????????? ???????????? bash version 2.05.0(6) cygwin 1.3.2 Do you have older versions? Reinhard From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Tue May 22 05:01:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:01:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <20010522091510.A494@kar.berlin.frey.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2001, Reinhard Karcher wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:41:32AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote > > I have posted a draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > > > > I would appreciate any comments, suggestions, corrections, and additions. > > > > In particular I need help with 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, and 4.6 regarding non-U.S. > > keyboard layouts. > > > > 4.4: Alexander Gottwald has a modmap for a german keybord, which could > be use as template for other layouts. I don't have the URL any more, > perhaps some else could supply it. http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.de.bz2 http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.fi.bz2 http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.fr.bz2 untested (from redhat distribution) http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.tar.gz But maybe we should place them on xfree.cygwin.com > > 4.6: Have you got any other source than my posting? I would like to know, > if it is working for someone else too. > > Reinhard > > -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr Tue May 22 05:08:00 2001 From: francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr (Francis VIVAT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:08:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <138501c0e2b8$0386f550$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> ok, ok, if I type "\" then "3" then "5" then "1", but the problem is that I type "????", and the result on screen is \351. But in the first form, it says : $ echo \351 351 What I want, is pressing "????" displays "????". CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Gottwald" To: "Francis VIVAT" Cc: Sent: mardi 22 mai 2001 13:55 Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > On Tue, 22 May 2001, Francis VIVAT wrote: > > > OK, echo works. > > > > $ echo \351 > > ???? > > > > CygWin folks, is it the normal behavior ? > > > Yes, it is. You can uses this notation if you can't enter the char with your > keyboard (eg. nonprintable as tab, backspace..) > > bye > ago > -- > Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de > http://www.gotti.org > +49 3725 349 80 80 > > From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Tue May 22 05:23:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:23:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <20010522135742.D494@kar.berlin.frey.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2001, Reinhard Karcher wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 01:51:23PM +0200, Francis VIVAT wrote > > $ echo \351 > > ???? > > > > CygWin folks, is it the normal behavior ? > > > > $ echo \351 > 351 > > $ echo ???????????? > ???????????? > > bash version 2.05.0(6) > cygwin 1.3.2 > > Do you have older versions? man bash reports: QUOTING [...] Words of the form $'string' are treated specially. The word expands to string, with backslash-escaped characters replaced as specifed by the ANSI C standard. Backslash escape sequences, if present, are decoded as follows: [some other codes] \nnn the character whose ASCII code is the octal value nnn (one to three digits) \xnnn the character whose ASCII code is the hex???? adecimal value nnn (one to three digits) > echo $'\351' ???? > echo \351 351 otherwise help echo stats, that even \351 should be interpreted correctly > bash --version GNU bash, version 2.04.0(1)-release (i386-suse-linux) bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr Tue May 22 05:43:00 2001 From: francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr (Francis VIVAT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 05:43:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <13b801c0e2bc$ddcca800$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Hi, can you change your french one with mine, I use it and it works :-) ftp://ftp.cetp.ipsl.fr/depot/xmodmap.fr CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Gottwald" To: "Reinhard Karcher" Cc: "Harold Hunt" Sent: mardi 22 mai 2001 14:00 Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > On Tue, 22 May 2001, Reinhard Karcher wrote: > > > On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:41:32AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote > > > I have posted a draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: > > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > > > > > > I would appreciate any comments, suggestions, corrections, and additions. > > > > > > In particular I need help with 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, and 4.6 regarding non-U.S. > > > keyboard layouts. > > > > > > > 4.4: Alexander Gottwald has a modmap for a german keybord, which could > > be use as template for other layouts. I don't have the URL any more, > > perhaps some else could supply it. > > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.de.bz2 > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.fi.bz2 > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.fr.bz2 > untested (from redhat distribution) > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.tar.gz > > But maybe we should place them on xfree.cygwin.com > > > > > 4.6: Have you got any other source than my posting? I would like to know, > > if it is working for someone else too. > > > > Reinhard > > > > > > -- > Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de > http://www.gotti.org > +49 3725 349 80 80 > > From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 22 06:15:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:15:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <000801c0e29a$049309c0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: Robert, > Before we start doing the FAQ in docbook - can you assemble a set of > links to the software you are using to build it? Markus Hoenicka has written an entire User's Guide for setting up DocBook with Cygwin: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/hoenicka_markus/cygbook1.html I just added a link to this guide to the draft FAQ. Oh, I should also point out that, as far as I can tell, the Cygwin folks compile their SGML/DocBook manuals using Cygwin. You might want to ask them for some pointers if the above guide doesn't help. Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 22 06:17:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:17:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: Alexander, > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.de.bz2 > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.fi.bz2 > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.fr.bz2 > untested (from redhat distribution) > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.tar.gz I was wondering if there was a general answer to the question of "where can I get a modmap for language foo?". For example, do the modmaps from RedHat almost always work now? Is there a way to generate a modmap automatically? Something along those lines is what I'd like to put in the answer; of course, a link to an archive of tested modmaps would be fine, but I'd like to have some sort of directions for those that cannot find a tested modmap. Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 22 06:21:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:21:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <3B0A4A36.13578.5F01B1@localhost> Message-ID: > 2) a german xmodmap > > On SuSE-Linux the command > > xmodmap -pke > Xmodmap.de > > produced a keybord file that works fine > with cygwin-xfree. Can anybody else verify for me if this works in general? > 3) Displaying characters > > In order to display umlauts the file .inputrc has to be > evaluated. Therefore it is necessary to add the option > -ls > to the xterm and rxvt commands in startxwin.sh Also, can I get a confirmation on this? Thanks, Harold From flognat@flognat.myip.org Tue May 22 06:30:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:30:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: / "Harold Hunt" wrote: |[...] | I was wondering if there was a general answer to the question of "where can | I get a modmap for language foo?". For example, do the modmaps from RedHat | almost always work now? Is there a way to generate a modmap automatically? I had problems with modmap.fi and modmap.se from RedHat. What I did were fire up xkeycaps, select swedish 104 or whatever and let it generate one, out of the box. /Andy | Something along those lines is what I'd like to put in the answer; of | course, a link to an archive of tested modmaps would be fine, but I'd like | to have some sort of directions for those that cannot find a tested modmap. | | Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 22 06:30:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:30:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: Andrew, > Regarding, how and where to find keymaps, xkeycaps is a good program > to use to generate a keymap for your keyboard. I found the xkeycaps > swedish/finnish keyboard worked better better with cygxwin than the > one that came with redhat. Can you give a more detailed answer? I don't use a xmodmap, so I really can't fill in the blanks that are missing :) Could you describe in a little more detail what xkeycaps does? Thanks, Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 22 06:41:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:41:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <019a01c0e2c4$adbf32b0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Harold.... Thank you: That guide didn't exist when I was doing my last docbook examination (well the NT - only one did, not the cygwin version). As we're combining two changes here: FAQ content generation, and FAQ content, I'm going to focus on the content generation for a bit, and you'll get my feedback on the actual updated content after the generation is acceptable to all. A few thoughts: * we should have multiple source files. Per topic or perhaps setup/user/developer. This allows better management of the content. Perhaps even one file per "topic". I know docbook can manage this for us. * A make system should be provided. I'm happy to put that together (I suggest autoconf && automake be used as it has much smaller make files :} ). This is to make redistribution easier. * I suggest that we get a CVS area on cygwin.com for both the users guide and this faq. This will make multi-authoring easier. I consider making multi-author change control easy _very important_. What do you think? A CVS area for cygwin-xfree-doc would allow the docbook source and make system to be easily accessible to all the contributors, and allow effective interleaving of updates. --- If we're lucky Chris could even use the cvs area to auto-generate updated web pages rather than us buliding the doco, and adding/removing files from the web cvs area every time.... --- * We need a stylesheet for this. (plain docbook sticks out like a sore thumb w.r.t. the website. This is my problem: I volunteered to create one for the straight html on the website... this is just a variation on a theme :]. I mention it here for the record). * Have you considered docbook/xml rather than sgml? A year or so ago it was looking to be the continuity path for docbook... and it seemed a bit more flexable. Probably more later... getting ready for ADSL now. mmm. ADSL. :] Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "Robert Collins" ; "cygx" Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:15 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > Robert, > > > Before we start doing the FAQ in docbook - can you assemble a set of > > links to the software you are using to build it? > > Markus Hoenicka has written an entire User's Guide for setting up DocBook > with Cygwin: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/hoenicka_markus/cygbook1.html > > I just added a link to this guide to the draft FAQ. > > Oh, I should also point out that, as far as I can tell, the Cygwin folks > compile their SGML/DocBook manuals using Cygwin. You might want to ask them > for some pointers if the above guide doesn't help. > > Harold > > From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Tue May 22 06:56:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:56:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2001, Harold Hunt wrote: > Alexander, > > > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.de.bz2 > > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.fi.bz2 > > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.fr.bz2 > > untested (from redhat distribution) > > http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.tar.gz > > I was wondering if there was a general answer to the question of "where can > I get a modmap for language foo?". For example, do the modmaps from RedHat > almost always work now? Is there a way to generate a modmap automatically? > Something along those lines is what I'd like to put in the answer; of > course, a link to an archive of tested modmaps would be fine, but I'd like > to have some sort of directions for those that cannot find a tested modmap. - generate one with xkeycaps ( http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps ) don't know if it compiles for cygwin - Linux/Unix distributions man xkeycaps tells that those from HP and SuSE are broken - maybe samples from X11 or XFree are there some? bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Tue May 22 07:04:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:04:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2001, Harold Hunt wrote: > > 2) a german xmodmap > > > > On SuSE-Linux the command > > > > xmodmap -pke > Xmodmap.de > > > > produced a keybord file that works fine > > with cygwin-xfree. > > Can anybody else verify for me if this works in general? > The keyboard code was designed to be 100% compatible. If it won't work, then it's a bug in Cygwin/XFree. > > 3) Displaying characters > > > > In order to display umlauts the file .inputrc has to be > > evaluated. Therefore it is necessary to add the option > > -ls > > to the xterm and rxvt commands in startxwin.sh > > Also, can I get a confirmation on this? > xterm -ls starts a login shell, which reads (in this order for bash) /etc/profile ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_login ~/.profile and ~/.bash_logout on exit if not started as login shell, bash reads only ~/.bashrc -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From flognat@flognat.myip.org Tue May 22 07:18:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:18:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: / "Harold Hunt" wrote: | Andrew, | | > Regarding, how and where to find keymaps, xkeycaps is a good program | > to use to generate a keymap for your keyboard. I found the xkeycaps | > swedish/finnish keyboard worked better better with cygxwin than the | > one that came with redhat. | | Can you give a more detailed answer? I don't use a xmodmap, so I really | can't fill in the blanks that are missing :) Could you describe in a little | more detail what xkeycaps does? Meanwhile, Anyone else than me that have tried some of the Redhat xmodmaps for their keyboard?? I just did a quick test.. xkeycaps, http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/ , an application written by JWZ (yeah the netscape guy) which has a database of many known keyboard layouts (don't know if you can sort of do xmodmaps of this out of the source) Basically what you do, is that you fire up xkeycaps, it asks you which keyboard you have[1], select your layout (PC105/SUN..) select language.. [2] write output and you get a xmodmap file.. There is a minor problem compiling xkeycaps on cygwin, you need to add xpm I think to the libs to link with.. (I was running this through Reflection X and some characters in the font isn't really what they should be but.. ) [1] http://flognat.myip.org/img1.jpg [2] http://flognat.myip.org/img2.jpg /Andy From manuel.segura@escpi.cnam.fr Tue May 22 09:36:00 2001 From: manuel.segura@escpi.cnam.fr (Manuel Segura) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:36:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin-XFree86 problem-repport Message-ID: <3B0A967D.4E4185FB@escpi.cnam.fr> Hello, I have just installed the today available version of cygwin + XFree86, on NT4 workstation + Service Pack 6. Very good job ! Just found this few problems: - to start the Xserver, I had to modify the file c:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\startxwin.bat: ------------------------------------- @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 REM Error in the path line: REM SET PATH=%PATH%;\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\bin SET PATH=%PATH%;\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\bin REM the -engine option is bad: The doc (XWin -?) show that the option REM can be one of "1,2 ou 4" REM start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine -4 start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 start /B xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e bash start /B rxvt -fn "Lucidia Console-12" start /B twm ------------------------------------- This modifications corrects the problem. Another problem for which i Have not found a solution, is that the keybord is configured "qwerty", istead of "azerty". It is a problem because i am french and my keyboard is azerty. I don't know where to configure this. In the cygwin shell window, it is correct (azerty) Again, Thanks for your good job ! Manuel --------------------------------------------------------------- Manuel Segura --------------------------------------------------------------- From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 22 09:53:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:53:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin-XFree86 problem-repport Message-ID: Manuel, Don't send Cygwin/XFree86 message to sourcemaster@cygwin.com... that is not the mailing list for Cygwin/XFree86. > This modifications corrects the problem. What modification? I can't tell what you have modified. > Another problem for which i Have not found a solution, is that the > keybord > is configured "qwerty", istead of "azerty". It is a problem because i am > french > and my keyboard is azerty. You need to tell xmodmap to load a French keyboard layout. I'm sure some of our European users will post with a better answer to this question soon :) Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 22 10:14:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:14:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86 CVS tree down? Message-ID: I've tried, and failed, four times today to do a CVS update of my XFree86 tree. I have used the command that I have always used: cvs -z4 update -d as well as: cvs -z3 update -d After a few minutes time I get the message: cvs [update aborted]: recv() from server anoncvs.xfree86.org: Connection reset by peer Has anyone else had problems with the XFree86 CVS tree today? I updated my Cygwin installation this morning, with the DLL going from 1.3.1 to 1.3.2... I'm just wondering if the problem I'm seeing is server side or client side. Oh, and I have rebooted since the Cygwin update. Harold From george.wakileh@vol.at Tue May 22 10:15:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:15:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin-XFree86 problem-repport Message-ID: <01C0E2F3.846FE5B0@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hello, Add in your batch file xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap I am attaching two xmodmap.fr for your to try. Place them in $HOME. Copy one at a time to .Xmodmap and see which one works for you. > cp xmodmap.fr /.Xmodmap George -----Original Message----- From: Manuel Segura [SMTP:manuel.segura@escpi.cnam.fr] Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2001 18:40 To: cygwin-xfree@xfree.cygwin.com; sourcemaster@cygnus.com Subject: Cygwin-XFree86 problem-repport Hello, I have just installed the today available version of cygwin + XFree86, on NT4 workstation + Service Pack 6. Very good job ! Another problem for which i Have not found a solution, is that the keybord is configured "qwerty", istead of "azerty". It is a problem because i am french and my keyboard is azerty. I don't know where to configure this. In the cygwin shell window, it is correct (azerty) Again, Thanks for your good job ! Manuel --------------------------------------------------------------- Manuel Segura --------------------------------------------------------------- xmodmap.fr-2 xmodmap.fr -------------- next part -------------- ! Converted keytable file to xmodmap file ! with mk_modmap by root@linux.chanae.stben.be Wed Sep 4 03:01:13 MET DST 1996 clear Mod1 clear Mod2 keycode 9 = Escape Escape keycode 10 = ampersand 1 keycode 11 = eacute 2 dead_tilde keycode 12 = quotedbl 3 numbersign keycode 13 = apostrophe 4 braceleft keycode 14 = parenleft 5 bracketleft keycode 15 = minus 6 bar keycode 16 = egrave 7 dead_grave keycode 17 = underscore 8 backslash keycode 18 = ccedilla 9 asciicircum keycode 19 = agrave 0 at keycode 20 = parenright degree bracketright keycode 21 = equal plus braceright keycode 22 = BackSpace keycode 23 = Tab Tab keycode 24 = a keycode 25 = z keycode 26 = e E currency keycode 27 = r keycode 28 = t keycode 29 = y keycode 30 = u keycode 31 = i keycode 32 = o keycode 33 = p keycode 34 = dead_circumflex dead_diaeresis keycode 35 = dollar sterling currency keycode 36 = Return keycode 37 = Control_L keycode 38 = q keycode 39 = s keycode 40 = d keycode 41 = f keycode 42 = g keycode 43 = h keycode 44 = j keycode 45 = k keycode 46 = l keycode 47 = m M keycode 48 = ugrave percent keycode 49 = twosuperior keycode 50 = Shift_L keycode 51 = asterisk mu keycode 52 = w keycode 53 = x keycode 54 = c keycode 55 = v keycode 56 = b keycode 57 = n keycode 58 = comma question dead_cedilla keycode 59 = semicolon period keycode 60 = colon slash Multi_key keycode 61 = exclam section keycode 62 = Shift_R keycode 63 = KP_Multiply keycode 64 = Alt_L Meta_L keycode 65 = space space keycode 66 = Caps_Lock keycode 67 = F1 F11 keycode 68 = F2 F12 keycode 69 = F3 F13 keycode 70 = F4 F14 keycode 71 = F5 F15 keycode 72 = F6 F16 keycode 73 = F7 F17 keycode 74 = F8 F18 keycode 75 = F9 F19 keycode 76 = F10 F20 keycode 77 = Num_Lock keycode 78 = Scroll_Lock keycode 79 = KP_7 keycode 80 = KP_8 keycode 81 = KP_9 keycode 82 = KP_Subtract keycode 83 = KP_4 keycode 84 = KP_5 keycode 85 = KP_6 keycode 86 = KP_Add keycode 87 = KP_1 keycode 88 = KP_2 keycode 89 = KP_3 keycode 90 = KP_0 keycode 92 = Sys_Req keycode 94 = less greater bar keycode 95 = F11 F11 keycode 96 = F12 F12 keycode 107 = Delete keycode 108 = KP_Enter keycode 109 = Control_R keycode 112 = KP_Divide keycode 113 = Mode_switch keycode 114 = Break keycode 110 = Find keycode 98 = Up keycode 99 = Prior keycode 100 = Left keycode 102 = Right keycode 104 = Down keycode 105 = Next keycode 106 = Insert ! right windows-logo key ! in "windows" keyboards the postion of the key is annoying, is where AltGr ! usually resides, so go definie it as AltGr keycode 116 = Mode_switch ! right windows-menu key keycode 117 = Multi_key add Mod1 = Alt_L add Mod2 = Mode_switch -------------- next part -------------- ! Converted keytable file to xmodmap file ! with mk_modmap by root@linux.chanae.stben.be Wed Sep 4 03:01:13 MET DST 1996 clear Mod1 clear Mod2 keycode 9 = Escape Escape keycode 10 = ampersand 1 keycode 11 = eacute 2 dead_tilde keycode 12 = quotedbl 3 numbersign keycode 13 = apostrophe 4 braceleft keycode 14 = parenleft 5 bracketleft keycode 15 = minus 6 bar keycode 16 = egrave 7 dead_grave keycode 17 = underscore 8 backslash keycode 18 = ccedilla 9 asciicircum keycode 19 = agrave 0 at keycode 20 = parenright degree bracketright keycode 21 = equal plus braceright keycode 22 = BackSpace keycode 23 = Tab Tab keycode 24 = a keycode 25 = z keycode 26 = e E EuroSign keycode 27 = r keycode 28 = t keycode 29 = y keycode 30 = u keycode 31 = i keycode 32 = o keycode 33 = p keycode 34 = dead_circumflex dead_diaeresis keycode 35 = dollar sterling currency keycode 36 = Return keycode 37 = Control_L keycode 38 = q keycode 39 = s keycode 40 = d keycode 41 = f keycode 42 = g keycode 43 = h keycode 44 = j keycode 45 = k keycode 46 = l keycode 47 = m M keycode 48 = ugrave percent keycode 49 = twosuperior keycode 50 = Shift_L keycode 51 = asterisk mu keycode 52 = w keycode 53 = x keycode 54 = c keycode 55 = v keycode 56 = b keycode 57 = n keycode 58 = comma question dead_cedilla keycode 59 = semicolon period keycode 60 = colon slash Multi_key keycode 61 = exclam section keycode 62 = Shift_R keycode 63 = KP_Multiply keycode 64 = Alt_L Meta_L keycode 65 = space space keycode 66 = Caps_Lock keycode 67 = F1 F11 keycode 68 = F2 F12 keycode 69 = F3 F13 keycode 70 = F4 F14 keycode 71 = F5 F15 keycode 72 = F6 F16 keycode 73 = F7 F17 keycode 74 = F8 F18 keycode 75 = F9 F19 keycode 76 = F10 F20 keycode 77 = Num_Lock keycode 78 = Scroll_Lock keycode 79 = KP_7 keycode 80 = KP_8 keycode 81 = KP_9 keycode 82 = KP_Subtract keycode 83 = KP_4 keycode 84 = KP_5 keycode 85 = KP_6 keycode 86 = KP_Add keycode 87 = KP_1 keycode 88 = KP_2 keycode 89 = KP_3 keycode 90 = KP_0 keycode 92 = Sys_Req keycode 94 = less greater bar keycode 95 = F11 F11 keycode 96 = F12 F12 keycode 107 = Delete keycode 108 = KP_Enter keycode 109 = Control_R keycode 112 = KP_Divide keycode 113 = Mode_switch keycode 114 = Break keycode 110 = Find keycode 98 = Up keycode 99 = Prior keycode 100 = Left keycode 102 = Right keycode 104 = Down keycode 105 = Next keycode 106 = Insert ! right windows-logo key ! in "windows" keyboards the postion of the key is annoying, is where AltGr ! usually resides, so go definie it as AltGr keycode 116 = Mode_switch ! right windows-menu key keycode 117 = Multi_key add Mod1 = Alt_L add Mod2 = Mode_switch From manuel.segura@escpi.cnam.fr Tue May 22 10:19:00 2001 From: manuel.segura@escpi.cnam.fr (Manuel Segura) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:19:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin-XFree86 problem-repport References: Message-ID: <3B0AA096.6A0E0578@escpi.cnam.fr> hello, the bugs about I was speeking are in the file c:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\startxwin.bat: 1) in the path line, replace "\usr\X11R6\bin" with "\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin". If not, the path will be false, and for example, if you want to start an xterm using the left button of you mouse, it will not work because it cannot found the path of xterm. 2) In the line "start XWin ...", the parameter for engine is false: replace "-engine -4" with "-engine 4". You can have help on XWin using the command "XWin -?" Manuel Bye Harold Hunt a ????crit : > > Manuel, > > Don't send Cygwin/XFree86 message to sourcemaster@cygwin.com... that is not > the mailing list for Cygwin/XFree86. > > > This modifications corrects the problem. > > What modification? I can't tell what you have modified. > > > Another problem for which i Have not found a solution, is that the > > keybord > > is configured "qwerty", istead of "azerty". It is a problem because i am > > french > > and my keyboard is azerty. > > You need to tell xmodmap to load a French keyboard layout. I'm sure some of > our European users will post with a better answer to this question soon :) > > Harold -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Manuel Segura --------------------------------------------------------------- From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 22 10:31:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:31:00 -0000 Subject: XFree86 CVS tree down? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A57@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> I think they are down. I could not checkout either. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:14 PM > To: cygx > Subject: XFree86 CVS tree down? > > > I've tried, and failed, four times today to do a CVS update > of my XFree86 tree. > > I have used the command that I have always used: > cvs -z4 update -d > > as well as: > cvs -z3 update -d > > After a few minutes time I get the message: > cvs [update aborted]: recv() from server anoncvs.xfree86.org: > Connection reset by peer > > Has anyone else had problems with the XFree86 CVS tree today? > I updated my Cygwin installation this morning, with the DLL > going from 1.3.1 to 1.3.2... I'm just wondering if the > problem I'm seeing is server side or client side. > > Oh, and I have rebooted since the Cygwin update. > > Harold > From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 22 11:57:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:57:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <019a01c0e2c4$adbf32b0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: Robert, > * we should have multiple source files. Per topic or perhaps > setup/user/developer. This allows better management of the content. > Perhaps even one file per "topic". I know docbook can manage this for > us. Of course. It should be evident from the User's Guide and XWin sources that I support multiple files :) However, I wasn't sure what the final divisions of the FAQ would be, so I didn't want to break the source into several files when I first posted it. > * A make system should be provided. I'm happy to put that together (I > suggest autoconf && automake be used as it has much smaller make files > :} ). This is to make redistribution easier. You really want to have the Cygnus DocBook-tools... then you just run 'db2html cygx-faq.sgml', or 'db2pdf cygx-faq.sgml', etc. > * I suggest that we get a CVS area on cygwin.com for both the users > guide and this faq. This will make multi-authoring easier. I consider > making multi-author change control easy _very important_. What do you > think? A CVS area for cygwin-xfree-doc would allow the docbook source > and make system to be easily accessible to all the contributors, and > allow effective interleaving of updates. Might be easier to use SourceForge. > * We need a stylesheet for this. (plain docbook sticks out like a sore > thumb w.r.t. the website. This is my problem: I volunteered to create > one for the straight html on the website... this is just I don't think our sales will suffer as a result of not using a stylesheet :) > * Have you considered docbook/xml rather than sgml? A year or so ago it > was looking to be the continuity path for docbook... and it seemed a bit > more flexable. Yes, I have considered using DocBook XML instead of DocBook SGML, but at this time DocBook XML is not a viable alternative. The problem with DocBook XML is, in the words of Norman Walsh on 2001-01-12, "You have to explicitly pass the XML declaration to jade." Now, that sounds all well and good, until you realize that you can't tell the DocBook-tools utility 'db2html' to pass the XML declaration on to jade. In short, DocBook SGML works out of the box on most GNU/Linux distributions and allows the use of DocBook-tools, whereas DocBook XML requires funky command line parameters and/or a hacked set of DocBook-tools scripts. DocBook XML won't take over until a good XSLT processor is included with every GNU/Linux distribution; for now, DocBook XML is processed against the SGML DTD, so there is almost no point in using DocBook XML. On a side note, I have attempted to follow the stricter rules of XML in my SGML files. It is fairly likely that my SGML source will compile as DocBook XML with very few changes. Harold From cgf@redhat.com Tue May 22 13:10:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:10:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <019a01c0e2c4$adbf32b0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010522160851.D19354@redhat.com> On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:57:48PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: >> * I suggest that we get a CVS area on cygwin.com for both the users >> guide and this faq. This will make multi-authoring easier. I consider >> making multi-author change control easy _very important_. What do you >> think? A CVS area for cygwin-xfree-doc would allow the docbook source >> and make system to be easily accessible to all the contributors, and >> allow effective interleaving of updates. > >Might be easier to use SourceForge. Huh? Why is this? I have no problem setting up a cvs area if people want one. cgf From george.wakileh@vol.at Tue May 22 15:57:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:57:00 -0000 Subject: /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' Message-ID: <01C0E323.28587460@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hi, Trying to compile xdvi-22.39, I got /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' Could someone kindly comment on that? What is the problem with libXaw.a? I am not sure if your distribution has libXaw.a. If not, sometime ago, I downloaded xc-src and compiled. Kind regards, George --- $ ./configure creating cache ./config.cache checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for a BSD compatible install... /bin/install -c checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for X... libraries /usr/lib, headers checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... no checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... no checking for gethostbyname... yes checking for connect... yes checking for remove... yes checking for shmat... no checking for shmat in -lipc... no checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... yes checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for X11/Xosdefs.h... yes checking for unistd.h... yes checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... yes checking for opendir in -ldir... no checking for sys/wait.h that is POSIX.1 compatible... yes checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... no checking for integer type to use in bitmaps... unsigned int, size = 4 checking for whether the C compiler supports string concatenation... yes checking for stropts.h and isastream()... no checking for SunOS 4... no checking for certain old versions of Linux... no checking for off_t... yes checking for pid_t... yes checking for size_t... yes checking return type of signal handlers... void checking for poll.h and poll()... yes checking for vfork.h... no checking for working vfork... yes checking for waitpid... yes checking for putenv... yes checking for mkstemp... yes checking for sigaction... yes checking for ulltostr... no checking for vsnprintf... yes checking for sin... yes updating cache ./config.cache creating ./config.status creating Makefile creating config.h wakileh@SATURN /xdvi-22.39 $ make gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. xdvi.c gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. events.c gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. dvi-init.c gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. dvi-draw.c gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. special.c gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. font-open.c gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. filefind.c gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. pk.c gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. vf.c gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. util.c gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. popups.c gcc -L/usr/lib -o xdvi xdvi.o events.o dvi-init.o dvi-draw.o special.o font-open.o filefind.o pk.o vf.o util.o popups.o -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXext -lX11 /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [xdvi] Error 1 From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 22 16:39:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:39:00 -0000 Subject: /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A5A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Add the -lXpm to your linker please. XpmReadFileToPixmap ^^^ points to what your linker is missing (a libXpm.a). The -lXpm must be after -lXaw and before -lX11. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 6:56 PM > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined > reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' > > Hi, > > Trying to compile xdvi-22.39, I got > /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to > `XpmReadFileToPixmap' > > Could someone kindly comment on that? What is the problem with libXaw.a? > I am not sure if your distribution has libXaw.a. If not, sometime ago, I > downloaded xc-src and compiled. > > Kind regards, > > George > > --- > > $ ./configure > creating cache ./config.cache > checking for gcc... gcc > checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes > checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no > checking whether we are using GNU C... yes > checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes > checking for a BSD compatible install... /bin/install -c > checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E > checking for X... libraries /usr/lib, headers > checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... no > checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... no > checking for gethostbyname... yes > checking for connect... yes > checking for remove... yes > checking for shmat... no > checking for shmat in -lipc... no > checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... yes > checking for ANSI C header files... yes > checking for X11/Xosdefs.h... yes > checking for unistd.h... yes > checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... yes > checking for opendir in -ldir... no > checking for sys/wait.h that is POSIX.1 compatible... yes > checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... no > checking for integer type to use in bitmaps... unsigned int, size = 4 > checking for whether the C compiler supports string concatenation... yes > checking for stropts.h and isastream()... no > checking for SunOS 4... no > checking for certain old versions of Linux... no > checking for off_t... yes > checking for pid_t... yes > checking for size_t... yes > checking return type of signal handlers... void > checking for poll.h and poll()... yes > checking for vfork.h... no > checking for working vfork... yes > checking for waitpid... yes > checking for putenv... yes > checking for mkstemp... yes > checking for sigaction... yes > checking for ulltostr... no > checking for vsnprintf... yes > checking for sin... yes > updating cache ./config.cache > creating ./config.status > creating Makefile > creating config.h > > wakileh@SATURN /xdvi-22.39 > $ make > gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. xdvi.c > gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. events.c > gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. dvi-init.c > gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. dvi-draw.c > gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. special.c > gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. font-open.c > gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. filefind.c > gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. pk.c > gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. vf.c > gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. util.c > gcc -c -g -O2 -I. -I. popups.c > gcc -L/usr/lib -o xdvi xdvi.o events.o dvi-init.o dvi-draw.o special.o > font-open.o filefind.o pk.o vf.o util.o popups.o -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM > -lICE -lXext -lX11 > > /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to > `XpmReadFileToPixmap' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make: *** [xdvi] Error 1 From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 22 19:06:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:06:00 -0000 Subject: X and startx Message-ID: I've seen some posts in the recent past complaining that the 'X' symlink in /usr/X11R6/bin/ points to some nonexistent file. I've checked the 'X' symlink in my latest build from XFree86 and I find that 'X' points to 'XWin', which is correct. However, 'startx' fails to run because /usr/X11R6/bin/ is not in the path that Cygwin uses, so 'xinit' cannot be found. Regarding fixing 'startx', should we: 1) If possible, modify the generation of the 'startx' script to add /usr/X11R6/bin/ to the path. 2) If possible, modify the generation of the 'startx' script to add explicit path references to each executable referenced in 'startx' (e.g. /usr/X11R6/bin/xinit). 3) Add an answer to the draft FAQ that tells users how to add /usr/X11R6/bin/ to the path that Cygwin uses. I'd appreciate any input and/or suggestions, Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 22 19:48:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:48:00 -0000 Subject: The "correct" way to do an XFree86 debug build References: <20010420093357.F10530@valinux.com> Message-ID: Alan, Our previous method of doing a debug build of XFree86 was to add -g to xc/cf/cygwin.cf/OptimizedCDebugFlags. I'm woking on documenting the Cygwin/XFree86 build process and I'd like to ensure that our method is correct. Should we also be defining DEBUG and SMART_DEBUG on xc/cf/cygwin.cf/StandardDefines? Furthermore, is there a simple switch that we should be toggling to enable a full debug build? I'd like to have as correct an answer as possible, so that we don't have to answer these questions again in the future :) Thank you, Harold From cgf@redhat.com Tue May 22 19:50:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:50:00 -0000 Subject: The "correct" way to do an XFree86 debug build References: <20010420093357.F10530@valinux.com> Message-ID: <20010522224859.A6833@redhat.com> On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 10:48:03PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: >I'd like to have as correct an answer as possible, so that we don't have to >answer these questions again in the future :) Wow. Great proactive attitude. I love it. cgf From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 22 20:29:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:29:00 -0000 Subject: The "correct" way to do an XFree86 debug build References: <20010522224859.A6833@redhat.com> Message-ID: Chris, > >I'd like to have as correct an answer as possible, so that we > don't have to > >answer these questions again in the future :) > > Wow. Great proactive attitude. I love it. Heh... well, I have finally gotten around to starting on the Cygwin/XFree86 Contributer's Guide that I have talked about for the past several months. It's all part of my evil plan to hook as many contributers as possible for Cygwin/XFree86 so I can sit back and watch the features and bug fixes roll in :) Harold From nzanella@cs.mun.ca Tue May 22 21:41:00 2001 From: nzanella@cs.mun.ca (Neil Zanella) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:41:00 -0000 Subject: X and startx References: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2001, Harold Hunt wrote: > I've seen some posts in the recent past complaining that the 'X' symlink in > /usr/X11R6/bin/ points to some nonexistent file. I've checked the 'X' > symlink in my latest build from XFree86 and I find that 'X' points to > 'XWin', which is correct. > > However, 'startx' fails to run because /usr/X11R6/bin/ is not in the path > that Cygwin uses, so 'xinit' cannot be found. > > Regarding fixing 'startx', should we: > 1) If possible, modify the generation of the 'startx' script to add > /usr/X11R6/bin/ to the path. Perhaps I have already expressed my opinion in which case I apologize for the repetition but here is what I vote for: #1. There are several reasons for this: (i) it fixes the problem discussed in the e-mail (ii) it fixes other X related problems such as enabling the programs to find libXpm.dll and other dlls contained therein. (iii) adding /usr/X11R6/bin at the end of the PATH would not slow down the searching of executable files by any significant amount. If anything it will slow down file not found messages by an insignificant amount of time. (iv) let's just choose the simplest solution that also works best. Only my 2c and thanks, -- Neil From ewu@eskimo.com Tue May 22 21:59:00 2001 From: ewu@eskimo.com (Enoch Wu) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:59:00 -0000 Subject: X and startx References: Message-ID: <20010522221533.A3843673@MELON> Harold, On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 10:06:29PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > Regarding fixing 'startx', should we: > 3) Add an answer to the draft FAQ that tells users how to add > /usr/X11R6/bin/ to the path that Cygwin uses. > Leave it like Linux. IIRC, the /usr/X11R6/bin is always required in Linux and other Unices, like Solaris and FreeBSD. We are still striving for a Unix-like environment. Therefore, #3 is the way to go. It would be a "culture" shock for someone who is trained on Cygwin to dive into Unices. EW From karl.philipp@danet.de Wed May 23 00:16:00 2001 From: karl.philipp@danet.de (Karl Philipp) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:16:00 -0000 Subject: AW: Cygwin-XFree86 problem-repport References: <3B0A967D.4E4185FB@escpi.cnam.fr> Message-ID: Hi, KPH> REM the -engine option is bad: The doc (XWin -?) show that the option '?' resp. '-?' isn't really an command line parameter of XWin.exe. Although it outputs a lot of possible parameters, you can read read at the top of the parameter list: c:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin>xwin -? Unrecognized option: -? use: X [:] [option] ... greetings Karl --- Karl Philipp Phone : +49 6151 868 - 518 Fax : +49 6151 868 - 980 eMail : mailto:karl.philipp@danet.de Danet GmbH, Business Unit BI Gutenbergstr. 10 64331 Weiterstadt, Germany WWW : http://www.danet.de KPH> REM can be one of "1,2 ou 4" KPH> REM start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 KPH> -engine -4 KPH> start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 KPH> -engine 4 KPH> start /B xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e KPH> bash KPH> start /B rxvt -fn "Lucidia Console-12" KPH> start /B twm KPH> ------------------------------------- KPH> KPH> This modifications corrects the problem. KPH> KPH> Another problem for which i Have not found a solution, is that the KPH> keybord KPH> is configured "qwerty", istead of "azerty". It is a problem KPH> because i am KPH> french KPH> and my keyboard is azerty. KPH> I don't know where to configure this. KPH> In the cygwin shell window, it is correct (azerty) KPH> KPH> Again, Thanks for your good job ! KPH> KPH> Manuel KPH> --------------------------------------------------------------- KPH> Manuel Segura KPH> --------------------------------------------------------------- From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 01:09:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 01:09:00 -0000 Subject: /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A5A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: | Add the -lXpm to your linker please. | XpmReadFileToPixmap | ^^^ points to what your linker is missing (a libXpm.a). The -lXpm must be | after -lXaw and before -lX11. Is this a 'problem' with cygx, or with xdvi, xkeycaps... ?? When I do xmkmf on solaris, linux... for these utils, it includes -lxpm automagically in the makefile? /Andy From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 01:13:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 01:13:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <000001c0e360$07d3cae0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" > Robert, > > Of course. It should be evident from the User's Guide and XWin sources that > I support multiple files :) However, I wasn't sure what the final divisions > of the FAQ would be, so I didn't want to break the source into several files > when I first posted it. Cool. Ok lets leave the breaks until we're onto the content alone. > > * A make system should be provided. I'm happy to put that together (I > > suggest autoconf && automake be used as it has much smaller make files > > :} ). This is to make redistribution easier. > > You really want to have the Cygnus DocBook-tools... then you just run > 'db2html cygx-faq.sgml', or 'db2pdf cygx-faq.sgml', etc. Yes but :]. I seem to be missing those even though openjade is now _mostly_ happy on my box. (Thank you Marcus' doco). So db2hmtl for me is openjade -v -d test.dsl test.sgml Secondly, converting the files is _one_ operation. We have more than one operation: build a web site copy (collate the howto and the faq in correct directories vs build a printable copy (sure it's only a stylesheet change) vs make a tarball for downloading from the website. > > * I suggest that we get a CVS area on cygwin.com for both the users > > guide and this faq. This will make multi-authoring easier. I consider > > making multi-author change control easy _very important_. What do you > > think? A CVS area for cygwin-xfree-doc would allow the docbook source > > and make system to be easily accessible to all the contributors, and > > allow effective interleaving of updates. > > Might be easier to use SourceForge. >From a use-of-cvs it should be no different. And I don't think we want to split up the parts of the project if we don't need to. > > * We need a stylesheet for this. (plain docbook sticks out like a sore > > thumb w.r.t. the website. This is my problem: I volunteered to create > > one for the straight html on the website... this is just > > I don't think our sales will suffer as a result of not using a stylesheet :) True, but the faq will look ugly without one ;]. And an approachable faq is one that will hopefully get read a little more often than not. > > * Have you considered docbook/xml rather than sgml? A year or so ago it > > was looking to be the continuity path for docbook... and it seemed a bit > > more flexable. > > Yes, I have considered using DocBook XML instead of DocBook SGML, but at > this time DocBook XML is not a viable alternative. The problem with DocBook > XML is, in the words of Norman Walsh on 2001-01-12, "You have to explicitly > pass the XML declaration to jade." Now, that sounds all well and good, > until you realize that you can't tell the DocBook-tools utility 'db2html' to > pass the XML declaration on to jade. > > In short, DocBook SGML works out of the box on most GNU/Linux distributions > and allows the use of DocBook-tools, whereas DocBook XML requires funky > command line parameters and/or a hacked set of DocBook-tools scripts. > DocBook XML won't take over until a good XSLT processor is included with > every GNU/Linux distribution; for now, DocBook XML is processed against the > SGML DTD, so there is almost no point in using DocBook XML. > > On a side note, I have attempted to follow the stricter rules of XML in my > SGML files. It is fairly likely that my SGML source will compile as DocBook > XML with very few changes. > > Harold > Thank you for looking into the XML side. I'm not too concerned about what GNU/Linux distro's come with... (I have openBSD or win32 here, and I believe we should have no expectation that contributors/users are working on anything but cygwin). So, given that with the current cygwin, openjade && openSP no longer build easily (I'm getting a set of feedback for Marcus together), we still don't have an OOTB solution for making (note: not editing..) docbook based documentation. Secondly, the problem I see with attempting to switch later, is that other authors won't follow the stricter rules, unless their contributions are validated against an XML DTD now. Does that make any impact on the suggestion? (ie db2html isn't likely to exist for cygwin based users for a while yet.) AFAICT funky commandline parameters are needed for any cygwin author :/. Rob From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 01:19:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 01:19:00 -0000 Subject: /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A5A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: / Andrew Markebo wrote: [...] | Is this a 'problem' with cygx, or with xdvi, xkeycaps... ?? Sort of, how come the application knows if Xaw wants xpm or not ;-) (Can Xaw be done without xpm-support?) /Andy From karl.philipp@danet.de Wed May 23 01:55:00 2001 From: karl.philipp@danet.de (Karl Philipp) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 01:55:00 -0000 Subject: AW: X and startx References: <20010522221533.A3843673@MELON> Message-ID: Hello, KPH> On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 10:06:29PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: KPH> > Regarding fixing 'startx', should we: KPH> KPH> > 3) Add an answer to the draft FAQ that tells users how to add KPH> > /usr/X11R6/bin/ to the path that Cygwin uses. KPH> > KPH> Leave it like Linux. IIRC, the /usr/X11R6/bin is always KPH> required in Linux KPH> and other Unices, like Solaris and FreeBSD. We are still striving for a KPH> Unix-like environment. Therefore, #3 is the way to go. It KPH> would be a "culture" KPH> shock for someone who is trained on Cygwin to dive into Unices. IMO, the use of a (software) system should be as simple as possible. A significant part of the users don't read the FAQ first when they install Cygwin/XFree86. The danger is, that this strategy causes superfluous traffic in this mailing list. Therefore I agree with Neil and vote for #1: KPH> Perhaps I have already expressed my opinion in which case I apologize KPH> for the repetition but here is what I vote for: #1. There are several KPH> reasons for this: KPH> KPH> (i) it fixes the problem discussed in the e-mail KPH> (ii) it fixes other X related problems such as enabling the programs to KPH> find libXpm.dll and other dlls contained therein. KPH> (iii) adding /usr/X11R6/bin at the end of the PATH would not slow down KPH> the searching of executable files by any significant amount. If KPH> anything it will slow down file not found messages by an KPH> insignificant amount of time. KPH> (iv) let's just choose the simplest solution that also works best. Okay, the most of us are developers (possibly) and we are smartly men (presumably) ;-), but there are normal users ... greetings Karl --- Karl Philipp Phone : +49 6151 868 - 518 Fax : +49 6151 868 - 980 eMail : mailto:karl.philipp@danet.de Danet GmbH, Business Unit BI Gutenbergstr. 10 64331 Weiterstadt, Germany WWW : http://www.danet.de From ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro Wed May 23 03:37:00 2001 From: ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro (claude) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:37:00 -0000 Subject: xterm error: Can't open display Message-ID: After I start startxwin, xterm won't start because "Can't open display: 127.0.0.1:0.0" and twm complains about the same thing. The X Window is present, empty. What now ? From duck@caveduck.com Wed May 23 03:44:00 2001 From: duck@caveduck.com (Dave Cook) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:44:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: X and startx Message-ID: <002201c0e375$3db84860$6800a8c0@dbca950> Regarding getting /usr/X11R6/bin on the path, I'd prefer to be as *nix-like as possible, while making things easy for J. Random User if we can. This means getting /usr/X11R6/bin onto $PATH in /etc/profile. I am right now looking at a running RH7.1 system that contains at the top of /etc/profile: if ! echo $PATH | /bin/grep -q "/usr/X11R6/bin" ; then PATH="$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin" fi Now the stock Cygwin /etc/profile (unlike the Linux one) actually sets a default PATH on the first line via PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:$PATH" Fortunately this puts the important system paths ahead of anything already defined, so it's OK to add /usr/X11R6/bin at the top. Thus if I were writing the XFree86/Cygwin install script I'd probably add the above snippet right at the top of /etc/profile (checking first to see if it's already present). It is important for consistency to put the X bin directory on the path *before* any of the /etc/profile.d/*.sh are run. Otherwise introducing those into Cygwin could have un-Unix-like consequences. BTW here are simple .xinitrc and .xserverrc files that work fine for me via the startx / xinit mechanism. They presume that /usr/X11R6/bin is already on the path: #! /bin/sh # ~/.xinitrc # This should start initial xterms and the window manager. # Start the window mgr *last* and don't run it in the background... # when xinit exits, X closes. # # Use xsetroot to put a decent solid background on the root window # The default pseudo-gray generates severe moires for me...YMMV # Color names are defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt # Faster and more reliable to do this before launching any xterms xsetroot -solid darkgreen # start an xterm xterm -e /usr/bin/bash & #rxvt -e /usr/bin/bash & # Start a window manager, and leave it in the foreground. # twm comes with XFree86/Cygwin, and vtwm is also available. twm #! /bin/sh # ~/.xserverrc # X server startup file. Used by xinit (via startx). # if you 'exec' the server, X starts 10-15 sec faster than if you don't. # exec xwin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -engine 4 Regards, Dave Cook From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 03:47:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:47:00 -0000 Subject: /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A5E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:09 AM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: Re: > /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined > reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' > > > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > | Add the -lXpm to your linker please. > | XpmReadFileToPixmap > | ^^^ points to what your linker is missing (a libXpm.a). The -lXpm > | must be after -lXaw and before -lX11. > > Is this a 'problem' with cygx, or with xdvi, xkeycaps... ?? > > When I do xmkmf on solaris, linux... for these utils, it > includes -lxpm automagically in the makefile? > > /Andy > Then you need to fix xmkmf in /usr/X11R6/bin. It is basically A script which can be edited. Suhaib From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 03:49:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:49:00 -0000 Subject: xterm error: Can't open display Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A5F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: claude [ mailto:ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:36 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: xterm error: Can't open display > > > After I start startxwin, xterm won't start because "Can't open > display: 127.0.0.1:0.0" and twm complains about the same > thing. The X Window is present, empty. What now ? > > > Do you have set DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 in your ENV/ Suhaib From ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro Wed May 23 03:50:00 2001 From: ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro (claude) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:50:00 -0000 Subject: xterm error: Can't open display References: Message-ID: First I tried to start it by running startxwin.bat at bash prompt, which is: SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 SET PATH=%PATH%;\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\bin start XWin :0 start /B xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e bash start /B rxvt -fn "Lucidia Console-12" start /B twm then from cmd-prompt and outside the xwindow-window with... wait !, from ouside the xwindow-window (double-clik on it) it works ! ok, but why only this way ? On 23 May 2001, Andrew Markebo wrote: > From where do you try to start xterm, cmd-prompt, bash-prompt? Inside > outside the xwinodws-window? > > /Andy > > / claude wrote: > | After I start startxwin, xterm won't start because "Can't open > | display: 127.0.0.1:0.0" and twm complains about the same thing. > | The X Window is present, empty. > | What now ? > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 03:53:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:53:00 -0000 Subject: X and startx References: <002201c0e375$3db84860$6800a8c0@dbca950> Message-ID: <00a901c0e376$561de620$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Dave, I suggest you check what tarball creates /etc/profile, and if none do, make a patch for cygwin's main setup.exe - I'm pretty sure something like this will get accepted ;] Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cook" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: Fw: X and startx > Regarding getting /usr/X11R6/bin on the path, I'd prefer to be as *nix-like as possible, > while making things easy for J. Random User if we can. > > This means getting /usr/X11R6/bin onto $PATH in /etc/profile. I am right now > looking at a running RH7.1 system that contains at the top of /etc/profile: > > if ! echo $PATH | /bin/grep -q "/usr/X11R6/bin" ; then > PATH="$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin" > fi > > Now the stock Cygwin /etc/profile (unlike the Linux one) actually sets a default PATH on > the first line via > > PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:$PATH" > > Fortunately this puts the important system paths ahead of anything already defined, so > it's OK to add /usr/X11R6/bin at the top. > > Thus if I were writing the XFree86/Cygwin install script I'd probably add the above > snippet right at the top of /etc/profile (checking first to see if it's already present). > > It is important for consistency to put the X bin directory on the path *before* any of the > /etc/profile.d/*.sh are run. Otherwise introducing those into Cygwin could have > un-Unix-like consequences. > > BTW here are simple .xinitrc and .xserverrc files that work fine for me via the startx / > xinit mechanism. They presume that /usr/X11R6/bin is already on the path: > > #! /bin/sh > # ~/.xinitrc > # This should start initial xterms and the window manager. > # Start the window mgr *last* and don't run it in the background... > # when xinit exits, X closes. > # > > # Use xsetroot to put a decent solid background on the root window > # The default pseudo-gray generates severe moires for me...YMMV > # Color names are defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt > # Faster and more reliable to do this before launching any xterms > xsetroot -solid darkgreen > > # start an xterm > xterm -e /usr/bin/bash & > #rxvt -e /usr/bin/bash & > > # Start a window manager, and leave it in the foreground. > # twm comes with XFree86/Cygwin, and vtwm is also available. > twm > > > #! /bin/sh > # ~/.xserverrc > # X server startup file. Used by xinit (via startx). > # if you 'exec' the server, X starts 10-15 sec faster than if you don't. > # > exec xwin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -engine 4 > > > Regards, > > Dave Cook > > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 03:58:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 03:58:00 -0000 Subject: xterm error: Can't open display Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A60@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: claude [ mailto:ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:49 AM > To: Andrew Markebo > Cc: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Re: xterm error: Can't open display > > > First I tried to start it by running startxwin.bat at bash > prompt, which > is: > > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > SET PATH=%PATH%;\usr\X11R6\bin;\cygwin\bin;\cygwin\usr\bin > start XWin :0 > start /B xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg > black -e bash start /B rxvt -fn "Lucidia Console-12" start /B twm > > then from cmd-prompt and outside the xwindow-window with... > wait !, from ouside the xwindow-window (double-clik on it) it > works ! ok, but why only this way ? Double-click on what from outside the xwindows and it works? You neeed to provide more parameters to Xwin. Check mail archives And FAQ etc. However that has nothing to do with DISPLAY problem. > > > > > On 23 May 2001, Andrew Markebo wrote: > > > From where do you try to start xterm, cmd-prompt, > bash-prompt? Inside > > outside the xwinodws-window? > > > > /Andy > > > > / claude wrote: > > | After I start startxwin, xterm won't start because "Can't open > > | display: 127.0.0.1:0.0" and twm complains about the same > thing. The > > | X Window is present, empty. What now ? > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 04:00:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:00:00 -0000 Subject: X and startx Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A61@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> At present XFree86 installation does not modify /etc/profile or add paths. Harold suggestions at present are best handled by users. However a patch to Modify startx creation for Cygwin will be gladly accepted. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:52 AM > To: Dave Cook; cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: X and startx > > > Dave, > I suggest you check what tarball creates /etc/profile, > and if none do, make a patch for cygwin's main setup.exe - > I'm pretty sure something like this will get accepted ;] > > Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Cook" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:43 PM > Subject: Fw: X and startx > > > > Regarding getting /usr/X11R6/bin on the path, I'd prefer to be as > *nix-like as possible, > > while making things easy for J. Random User if we can. > > > > This means getting /usr/X11R6/bin onto $PATH in /etc/profile. I am > right now > > looking at a running RH7.1 system that contains at the top of > /etc/profile: > > > > if ! echo $PATH | /bin/grep -q "/usr/X11R6/bin" ; then > > PATH="$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin" > > fi > > > > Now the stock Cygwin /etc/profile (unlike the Linux one) > actually sets > a default PATH on > > the first line via > > > > PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:$PATH" > > > > Fortunately this puts the important system paths ahead of anything > already defined, so > > it's OK to add /usr/X11R6/bin at the top. > > > > Thus if I were writing the XFree86/Cygwin install script > I'd probably > add the above > > snippet right at the top of /etc/profile (checking first to see if > it's already present). > > > > It is important for consistency to put the X bin directory > on the path > *before* any of the > > /etc/profile.d/*.sh are run. Otherwise introducing those > into Cygwin > could have > > un-Unix-like consequences. > > > > BTW here are simple .xinitrc and .xserverrc files that work fine for > me via the startx / > > xinit mechanism. They presume that /usr/X11R6/bin is already on the > path: > > > > #! /bin/sh > > # ~/.xinitrc > > # This should start initial xterms and the window manager. > > # Start the window mgr *last* and don't run it in the background... > > # when xinit exits, X closes. > > # > > > > # Use xsetroot to put a decent solid background on the root window > > # The default pseudo-gray generates severe moires for me...YMMV > > # Color names are defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt > > # Faster and more reliable to do this before launching any xterms > > xsetroot -solid darkgreen > > > > # start an xterm > > xterm -e /usr/bin/bash & > > #rxvt -e /usr/bin/bash & > > > > # Start a window manager, and leave it in the foreground. > > # twm comes with XFree86/Cygwin, and vtwm is also available. twm > > > > > > #! /bin/sh > > # ~/.xserverrc > > # X server startup file. Used by xinit (via startx). > > # if you 'exec' the server, X starts 10-15 sec faster than if you > don't. > > # > > exec xwin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -engine 4 > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Dave Cook > > > > > > > > > From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 04:01:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:01:00 -0000 Subject: /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A5E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: *dig dig dig* Hmm could it be something like /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config cygwin.rules:#define SharedLibXpm YES I can't find a shared libXpm.so, only libXpm.a, I don't know if this is wrong or right..? /Andy / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] | > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:09 AM | > To: Suhaib Siddiqi | > Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' | > Subject: Re: | > /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined | > reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' | > | > | > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: | > | Add the -lXpm to your linker please. | > | XpmReadFileToPixmap | > | ^^^ points to what your linker is missing (a libXpm.a). The -lXpm | > | must be after -lXaw and before -lX11. | > | > Is this a 'problem' with cygx, or with xdvi, xkeycaps... ?? | > | > When I do xmkmf on solaris, linux... for these utils, it | > includes -lxpm automagically in the makefile? | > | > /Andy | > | | Then you need to fix xmkmf in /usr/X11R6/bin. It is basically | A script which can be edited. | | Suhaib From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 04:03:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:03:00 -0000 Subject: /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A62@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:02 AM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: Re: > /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined > reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' > > > *dig dig dig* Hmm could it be something like > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config > cygwin.rules:#define SharedLibXpm YES Is this not in cygwin.rules? Rule to build shared libXpm is already In cygwin.rules because libXpm.dll is compiled by default. Suhaib > > I can't find a shared libXpm.so, only libXpm.a, I don't know > if this is wrong or right..? > > /Andy > > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > | > -----Original Message----- > | > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > | > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:09 AM > | > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > | > Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' > | > Subject: Re: > | > /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined > | > reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' > | > > | > > | > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > | > | Add the -lXpm to your linker please. > | > | XpmReadFileToPixmap > | > | ^^^ points to what your linker is missing (a libXpm.a). > The -lXpm > | > | must be after -lXaw and before -lX11. > | > > | > Is this a 'problem' with cygx, or with xdvi, xkeycaps... ?? > | > > | > When I do xmkmf on solaris, linux... for these utils, it > | > includes -lxpm automagically in the makefile? > | > > | > /Andy > | > > | > | Then you need to fix xmkmf in /usr/X11R6/bin. It is basically A > | script which can be edited. > | > | Suhaib > From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 04:04:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:04:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: X and startx References: <002201c0e375$3db84860$6800a8c0@dbca950> Message-ID: / "Dave Cook" wrote: | Regarding getting /usr/X11R6/bin on the path, I'd prefer to be as *nix-like as possible, | while making things easy for J. Random User if we can. | | This means getting /usr/X11R6/bin onto $PATH in /etc/profile. I am right now | looking at a running RH7.1 system that contains at the top of /etc/profile: | | if ! echo $PATH | /bin/grep -q "/usr/X11R6/bin" ; then | PATH="$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin" | fi | | Now the stock Cygwin /etc/profile (unlike the Linux one) actually sets a default PATH on | the first line via Is /etc/profile _always_ read?? If you just run bash from a command-prompt (not login), isn't it supposed to inherit the environment from where it started. /Andy From ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro Wed May 23 04:09:00 2001 From: ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro (claude) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:09:00 -0000 Subject: xterm error: Can't open display References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A60@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 May 2001, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > First I tried to start it by running startxwin.bat at bash > > then from cmd-prompt and outside the xwindow-window with... > > wait !, from ouside the xwindow-window (double-clik on it) it > > works ! ok, but why only this way ? > > > Double-click on what from outside the xwindows and it works? You neeed to > provide more parameters to Xwin. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ such as ? > Check mail archives And FAQ etc. Nothing there From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 04:11:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:11:00 -0000 Subject: xterm error: Can't open display Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A63@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: claude [ mailto:ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:07 AM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: 'cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com' > Subject: RE: xterm error: Can't open display > > > On Wed, 23 May 2001, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > > > > First I tried to start it by running startxwin.bat at bash > > > then from cmd-prompt and outside the xwindow-window with... > > > wait !, from ouside the xwindow-window (double-clik on it) it > > > works ! ok, but why only this way ? > > > > > > Double-click on what from outside the xwindows and it > works? You neeed > > to provide more parameters to Xwin. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > such as ? > E.g. start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x24 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > > > Check mail archives And FAQ etc. > > Nothing there > From ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro Wed May 23 04:17:00 2001 From: ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro (claude) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:17:00 -0000 Subject: xterm error: Can't open display (ENV) References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A5F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 May 2001, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > Do you have set DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 in your ENV/ In X's env yes, also in ms-windows' env From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 04:19:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:19:00 -0000 Subject: X and startx References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A61@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <010801c0e37a$173f3ef0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:00 PM Subject: RE: X and startx > At present XFree86 installation does not modify /etc/profile or add paths. > Harold suggestions at present are best handled by users. However a patch to > Modify startx creation for Cygwin will be gladly accepted. > > Suhaib This one is a patch to the _cygwin_ installation. Dave has suggested a method that won't affect users without X, and will make the X install work better when it gets installed. Rob > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 04:23:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:23:00 -0000 Subject: X and startx Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A64@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > At present XFree86 installation does not modify /etc/profile or add > paths. > > Harold suggestions at present are best handled by users. However a > patch to > > Modify startx creation for Cygwin will be gladly accepted. > > > > Suhaib > > This one is a patch to the _cygwin_ installation. Dave has > suggested a method that won't affect users without X, and > will make the X install work better when it gets installed. > > Rob > > > > Cool :-) Suhaib From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 04:26:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:26:00 -0000 Subject: about libXpm.a/.so/.dll.. whatever :-) Dynamic linking? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A65@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Yep it is in cygwin.rules.. Hmm ahh there we have a dll.. Hmm > how does everything work?? > > Consider me doing > gcc -o myapp myapp.o -lX11 -lXaw > > On solaris it links with libXaw.so, which probably > automatically loads libXpm.so during runtime. On Solaris x86 are you using XFree86 4.x or Xsun which ships with Solaris x86? If it is Xsun then it does not use liXpm. LibXpm was introduced in XFre86 from Version 4.0. I have run into this issue sometimes on Linux too. > > On cygwin, does it link with static libXaw.a, or dynamic > libXaw.dll(?) from where, does it look for shared libs in bin subdir?? libXaw is only static under Cygwin, due to M$ Win32 limitations. FAQ discuss it ;-) > > Does it automatically load libXpm.dll during runtime?? No, you need to link. Suhaib > (checking checking hmm how do I see which files gcc chews for > linkage and so on?? -v works fine for compilation, but not linkage) > > /Andy > From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 04:32:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:32:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A62@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: (OOPs sorry Suhaib for sending this to you, privately forgot to press F instead of R, but I managed to find more info now!!!) / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: [...] | > *dig dig dig* Hmm could it be something like | > | > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config | > cygwin.rules:#define SharedLibXpm YES | | Is this not in cygwin.rules? Rule to build shared libXpm is already | In cygwin.rules because libXpm.dll is compiled by default. Yep it is in cygwin.rules.. Hmm ahh there we have a dll.. Hmm how does everything work?? Consider me doing gcc -o myapp myapp.o -lX11 -lXaw On solaris it links with libXaw.so, which probably automatically loads libXpm.so during runtime. Checking an strace of the above on cygwin shows that it looks for libXaw.dll.a, fails and then loads libXaw.a, thats why it wants us to include -lXpm, it _doesn't_ link dynamically!! So as developer, compiling apps, can I link dynamic?? (is libXaw.dll the same as libXaw.dll.a?? Suppose that the cygwin FAQ will answer that) /Andy From ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro Wed May 23 04:37:00 2001 From: ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro (claude) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:37:00 -0000 Subject: xterm error: Can't open display References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A63@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 May 2001, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > Double-click on what from outside the xwindows and it > > works? You neeed > > > to provide more parameters to Xwin. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > such as ? > > > > E.g. > start XWin -screen 0 1024x768x24 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 use: X [:] [option] Unrecognized option: -screen From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 04:43:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:43:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A66@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Yep it is in cygwin.rules.. Hmm ahh there we have a dll.. Hmm > how does everything work?? > > Consider me doing > gcc -o myapp myapp.o -lX11 -lXaw > > On solaris it links with libXaw.so, which probably > automatically loads libXpm.so during runtime. > > Checking an strace of the above on cygwin shows that it looks > for libXaw.dll.a, fails and then loads libXaw.a, thats why it ^^^^^ huh? Who looks for libXaw.dll.a? We have no such thing. Compiling libXaw.dll is not a good idea due to design of DLLs which M$ opted. > wants us to include -lXpm, it _doesn't_ link dynamically!! You can send a patch if you have an idea how to do it. :-) For now you must add -lXpm -lXaw -lX11 to llinker Suhaib > > So as developer, compiling apps, can I link dynamic?? (is > libXaw.dll the same as libXaw.dll.a?? Suppose that the cygwin > FAQ will answer > that) > > /Andy > > > > > > > > > > > From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 04:54:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 04:54:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A66@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: | > Yep it is in cygwin.rules.. Hmm ahh there we have a dll.. Hmm | > how does everything work?? | > | > Consider me doing | > gcc -o myapp myapp.o -lX11 -lXaw | > | > On solaris it links with libXaw.so, which probably | > automatically loads libXpm.so during runtime. | > | > Checking an strace of the above on cygwin shows that it looks | > for libXaw.dll.a, fails and then loads libXaw.a, thats why it | ^^^^^ huh? Who looks for libXaw.dll.a? We have no such thing. | Compiling libXaw.dll is not a good idea due to design of | DLLs which M$ opted. Yes the _linker_, when you tell it to link, when you do -lXaw it looks for libXaw.dll.a, Xaw.dll.a, libXaw.a, Xaw.a in the path it has to search.. It uses the first match it can find, the first match is libXaw.a so it links with thatone. | > wants us to include -lXpm, it _doesn't_ link dynamically!! | | You can send a patch if you have an idea how to do it. :-) For now you must | add | -lXpm -lXaw -lX11 to llinker A simple patch, try to change in cygwin.rules.. cygwin.rules:#define SharedLibXpm YES Hopefully that is enough, making X11.tmpl grap static lib instead. On Os2 libxpm is included in some kind of list of required stuff for libXaw.. /Andy (followup on earlier email) | On Solaris x86 are you using XFree86 4.x or Xsun which ships with | Solaris x86? | If it is Xsun then it does not use liXpm. LibXpm was introduced in | XFre86 from Version 4.0. I have run into this issue sometimes on Linux too. It is Solaris on Sun hardware.. But with X11R6.. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 05:00:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 05:00:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A67@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > | > wants us to include -lXpm, it _doesn't_ link dynamically!! > | > | You can send a patch if you have an idea how to do it. :-) For now > | you must add -lXpm -lXaw -lX11 to llinker > > A simple patch, try to change in cygwin.rules.. > cygwin.rules:#define SharedLibXpm YES You need to test first please. However I do not think it will help Because we build a static libXaw.a not libXaw.dll. > > Hopefully that is enough, making X11.tmpl grap static lib > instead. On Os2 libxpm is included in some kind of list of > required stuff for libXaw.. On OS/2 if I am not mistaken, it is libXaw.dll. On Win32 Microsoft DLL design Creates a dll initiallization mess, therefore we are forced to make a static libXaw.a (FAQ :-) please) 3.13 Will there be Xaw.DLL, Xt.DLL and Xmu.DLL? There are no plans for them at this pont. GCC is free software, and most stuff written for it is also freely available. Recompile Xaw, Xt and Xmu if you want. However, keep the following in mind: "One of the biggest issues with X on Win32 is the moronic DLL format. Specifically - it is not possible to export data from a Win32 DLL in a form that can be used to statically initialize another global variable. Data access from a DLL requires at least one pointer indirection, and hence executable code. This is why X11R6 doesn't have DLLs for Xt/Xmu/Xaw (and Motif) on Win32", quoted from XFree86-developers Mailing List - David E. Wexelblat (dwex@datafocus.com) Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:08:27 -0500. Suhaib > > /Andy > > (followup on earlier email) > > | On Solaris x86 are you using XFree86 4.x or Xsun which ships with > | Solaris x86? If it is Xsun then it does not use liXpm. LibXpm was > | introduced in XFre86 from Version 4.0. I have run into this issue > | sometimes on Linux too. > > It is Solaris on Sun hardware.. But with X11R6.. > From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 05:14:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 05:14:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A67@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: | > | > wants us to include -lXpm, it _doesn't_ link dynamically!! | > | | > | You can send a patch if you have an idea how to do it. :-) For now | > | you must add -lXpm -lXaw -lX11 to llinker | > | > A simple patch, try to change in cygwin.rules.. | > cygwin.rules:#define SharedLibXpm YES | | You need to test first please. However I do not think it will help | Because we build a static libXaw.a not libXaw.dll. I am not 100% sure how it works, doing (in cygwin.rules): #define SharedLibXpm NO doesn't help, but rmoving (commenting out) the line "#define SharedLibXpm Yes" makes xmkmf add -lXpm in the Makefile /Andy From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 05:18:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 05:18:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A68@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > | > | > wants us to include -lXpm, it _doesn't_ link dynamically!! > | > | > | > | You can send a patch if you have an idea how to do it. :-) For > | > | now > | > | you must add -lXpm -lXaw -lX11 to llinker > | > > | > A simple patch, try to change in cygwin.rules.. > | > cygwin.rules:#define SharedLibXpm YES > | > | You need to test first please. However I do not think it will help > | Because we build a static libXaw.a not libXaw.dll. > > I am not 100% sure how it works, doing (in cygwin.rules): > > #define SharedLibXpm NO That will compile libXpm.a as a static library when you compile X sources. > > doesn't help, but rmoving (commenting out) the line "#define > SharedLibXpm Yes" makes xmkmf add -lXpm in the Makefile Let me look into it. Suhaib > > /Andy > From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Wed May 23 05:26:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 05:26:00 -0000 Subject: AW: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A67@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <000a01c0e382$ebe63480$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> > > | > wants us to include -lXpm, it _doesn't_ link dynamically!! > > | > > | You can send a patch if you have an idea how to do it. :-) For now > > | you must add -lXpm -lXaw -lX11 to llinker > > > > A simple patch, try to change in cygwin.rules.. > > cygwin.rules:#define SharedLibXpm YES > > You need to test first please. However I do not think it will help > Because we build a static libXaw.a not libXaw.dll. > > > > > Hopefully that is enough, making X11.tmpl grap static lib > > instead. On Os2 libxpm is included in some kind of list of > > required stuff for libXaw.. > > On OS/2 if I am not mistaken, it is libXaw.dll. On Win32 Microsoft DLL > design > Creates a dll initiallization mess, therefore we are forced to > make a static > libXaw.a (FAQ :-) please) > > 3.13 Will there be Xaw.DLL, Xt.DLL and Xmu.DLL? > > There are no plans for them at this pont. GCC is free software, and most > stuff written for it is also freely available. Recompile Xaw, Xt > and Xmu if > you want. However, keep the following in mind: > > "One of the biggest issues with X on Win32 is the moronic DLL format. > Specifically - it is not possible to export data from a Win32 DLL > in a form > that can be used to statically initialize another global variable. Data > access from a DLL requires at least one pointer indirection, and hence > executable code. This is why X11R6 doesn't have DLLs for Xt/Xmu/Xaw (and > Motif) on Win32", quoted from XFree86-developers Mailing List - David E. > Wexelblat (dwex@datafocus.com) Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:08:27 -0500. > Whats about the auto-import feature from Paul Sokolovsky, how has removed this limitation ? From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 05:35:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 05:35:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <000a01c0e382$ebe63480$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Message-ID: <019201c0e384$b24ad210$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralf Habacker" > > > Whats about the auto-import feature from Paul Sokolovsky, how has removed > this limitation ? > It hasn't. It's removed the need to declare the imports, not the behaviour of the imports. There was a patch recently for gcc C++ static constructors... that is related to this issue. (No solution for us AFAIK). Rob From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 06:57:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 06:57:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <000001c0e360$07d3cae0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: Robert, Before you read what follows you're going to have to understand a couple things: 1) I program and I write documentation... I do things... talking doesn't get things done. :) 2) I'm perfectly happy with my current system of building and distributing the documentation. 3) I'll use any logical build system that someone else creates, but motivating me to create such a system myself is going to be nearly impossible :) 4) In my view, the number of people submitting patches to the documentation (total over the last 8 months: 0) doesn't yet warrant the investment of time in creating a documentation build system. However, see #3. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I forgot to mention, DocBook-tools were/are developed by Cygnus. DocBook-tools are simply a set of scripts that make building DocBook easier. You can download DocBook-tools from any Cygnus mirror in docbook-tools/, such as: http://mirrors.rcn.net/pub/sourceware/docbook-tools/ You may want to look at Cygwin's DocBook build system, which uses db2html... I noticed a small blurb about building Cygwin documentation at: http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/faq/faq_4.html#SEC88 > Thank you for looking into the XML side. I'm not too concerned about > what GNU/Linux distro's come with... (I have openBSD or win32 here, and > I believe we should have no expectation that contributors/users are > working on anything but cygwin). Unfortunately, db2html works the same on GNU/Linux as it does on Cygwin. :) db2html doesn't work with XML on either platform. > Secondly, converting the files is _one_ operation. We have more than one > operation: build a web site copy (collate the howto and the faq in > correct directories vs build a printable copy (sure it's only a > stylesheet change) vs make a tarball for downloading from the website. Building a printable copy with DocBook-tools is easy: db2pdf, db2ps, db2dvi, and dv2rtf. > So, given that with the current cygwin, openjade && openSP no longer > build easily (I'm getting a set of feedback for Marcus together), we > still don't have an OOTB solution for making (note: not editing..) > docbook based documentation. Cygwin builds their documentation with db2html, and they mention in their FAQ that you must install DocBook-tools in order to build the documentation. I don't see why it would be a problem for us to do the same thing. One more thing: the XFree86 tree comes with an optional set of documentation building tools and there is a good amount of DocBook SGML documentation in the XFree86 tree. I wonder if the optional documentation building tools are things like Jade, DTDs, stylesheets, and a build system for DocBook? You may want to look at building our documentation as part of the XFree86 tree if these tools are distributed with XFree86 CVS. Harold From starksb@ebi.ac.uk Wed May 23 07:15:00 2001 From: starksb@ebi.ac.uk (David Starks-Browning) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:15:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <000001c0e360$07d3cae0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <1993-Wed23May2001151500+0100-starksb@ebi.ac.uk> On Wednesday 23 May 01, Harold Hunt writes: > Cygwin builds their documentation with db2html, and they mention in their > FAQ that you must install DocBook-tools in order to build the documentation. > I don't see why it would be a problem for us to do the same thing. I'm willing to bet that the Cygwin folks building documentation are doing so on Linux. (I'd bet one beer, anyway. Maybe not a whole 6-pack...) I, for one, build the FAQ on UNIX (various, incl. RH-Linux), not Cygwin. Cheers, David (Cygwin FAQ maintainer) From kdekorte@yahoo.com Wed May 23 07:30:00 2001 From: kdekorte@yahoo.com (Kevin DeKorte) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:30:00 -0000 Subject: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin Message-ID: <20010523141936.11765.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> All, Well after spending about 2 months trying to get XFree86/cygwin up and running all I can say is thanks to everyone who had comments and such. Turns out that for my "Cannot Open Display: 127.0.0.1:0.0" problem is was a conflict with a program called Aventail Connect (VPN software) this conflict would occur even when the software had never been run and was just installed on the computer. Removing it solved the problem, I'm just glad my employer is getting rid of it. As a side note XFree seems to work ok with Win2K SP2 for those of you running Win2K. Have not tested extensively, but it does what I need at the moment. Thanks everyone, Kevin ===== --------------------------------- Kevin DeKorte kdekorte@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Wed May 23 07:32:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:32:00 -0000 Subject: AW: Script for create cygwin installer setup References: Message-ID: <001a01c0e394$de2b0480$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> > Betreff: RE: Script for create cygwin installer setup > > Ralf, > > Good work man. > > Currently we don't have anyone working on getting Cygwin/XFree86 > to install > with the Cygwin installer, so perhaps you would like to lead that effort? > :) I'm thinking about this, but yet I'm too busy with this qt/kde sourceforge setup/distribution. Especial setting up cvs based on the origial kde package and automake/autoconf is horrible and additional packaging kde into smaller part is much work. Perhaps anyone have some ideas to reduce the overhead. > > Just give us details of what you want to do and submit what you come up > with. I've have played with a patched cygwin installer, which installs direct from sourceforge and have seens that creating the packages and updating correctly setup.ini is the most work. I dont' have a effient process yet. Perhaps anyone can gibe hints for that. > > It will be really nice to get Cygwin/XFree86 to install with the Cygwin > installer. > As discussed before categories seems the way to realise this. Perhaps one can use the already available subdir structure to provide categories. If the installer would be extended with an additional window on the left, which shows the sub dirs (contrib,latest,... - one level) and displayes the content of the dir in the right, adding additional categories will be reduced to adding sub dirs which has to scanned on setup.ini creation. The installer has to scan the path of the files and assign the files. Thats all. Any suggestions welcome Regards Ralf > Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Ralf Habacker > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:23 AM > To: Cygwin-Xfree > Subject: Script for create cygwin installer setup > > > Hi people, > > what do you think about using the cygwin installer for distributing the > Xfree archives. (I have seen that cygwin installer V2.50 supports bzip2 > archives) > > For distribution kde on cygwin with X I have created a script, > which scans a > directory and produces cygwin installer conform setup.ini files. > > Look at the examples. > > By the way, I suggest to standardize the used file names to simplify > setup.ini creating. > > Any comments are welcome. > > Regards > > Ralf Habacker > EMail: Ralf@habacker.de > Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > > From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Wed May 23 07:32:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:32:00 -0000 Subject: AW: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <019201c0e384$b24ad210$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <001401c0e38f$c195eab0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > -----Urspr????ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]Im Auftrag von Robert > Collins > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2001 14:34 > An: Ralf Habacker; Cygwin-Xfree > Betreff: Re: Dynamic linking.. or?? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralf Habacker" > > > > > Whats about the auto-import feature from Paul Sokolovsky, how has > removed > > this limitation ? > > > > > It hasn't. It's removed the need to declare the imports, not the > behaviour of the imports. There was a patch recently for gcc C++ static > constructors... that is related to this issue. (No solution for us > AFAIK). Excuse me, but do you mean something like this -- defined in dll ----------- extern int var; extern void print_var(); extern void print_foo(); extern int foo; typedef struct { int *var; void (*func_ptr)(); } TEST; --- used in client ------- // global var and function imported from dll TEST xyz = { &var, print_var }; that I'm using on qt and kde with this patch desribed. Ralf From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 07:57:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:57:00 -0000 Subject: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A69@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> As a note Zonealarm PC Firewall from Zonelab does weird things too. I had it replaced with Tiny Firewall on my Win2K at home. With zonealarm I could not display Vi over VPN from a Remote machine which was behind a CheckPoint Firewall Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin DeKorte [ mailto:kdekorte@yahoo.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:20 AM > To: cygwin xfree > Subject: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin > > > All, > > Well after spending about 2 months trying to get > XFree86/cygwin up and running all I can say is thanks > to everyone who had comments and such. Turns out that > for my "Cannot Open Display: 127.0.0.1:0.0" problem is > was a conflict with a program called Aventail Connect > (VPN software) this conflict would occur even when the > software had never been run and was just installed on > the computer. Removing it solved the problem, I'm just > glad my employer is getting rid of it. > > As a side note XFree seems to work ok with Win2K SP2 > for those of you running Win2K. Have not tested > extensively, but it does what I need at the moment. > > Thanks everyone, > > Kevin > > ===== > --------------------------------- > Kevin DeKorte > kdekorte@yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 08:55:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:55:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A68@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: | > doesn't help, but rmoving (commenting out) the line "#define | > SharedLibXpm Yes" makes xmkmf add -lXpm in the Makefile | | Let me look into it. The rules around this is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/X11.tmpl, around line 2210, search for xpm. /Andy From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 09:02:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:02:00 -0000 Subject: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A69@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Something for the FAQ maybe?? "If you are receiving cannot open display check if you have any firewalls, VPN or similar [list of programs Zonealarm, Checkpoint, Avantail].. /Andy From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 09:36:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:36:00 -0000 Subject: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A6A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> This is for Rob To DO. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:02 PM > To: 'cygwin xfree' > Subject: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] > > > Something for the FAQ maybe?? > > "If you are receiving cannot open display check if you have > any firewalls, VPN or similar [list of programs Zonealarm, > Checkpoint, Avantail].. > > /Andy > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 09:50:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:50:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A6C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Try the following patch to cygwin.tmpl. I have not tested it. Let me know if it helps. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:56 AM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: 'cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com' > Subject: Re: Dynamic linking.. or?? > > > | > doesn't help, but rmoving (commenting out) the line "#define > | > SharedLibXpm Yes" makes xmkmf add -lXpm in the Makefile > | > | Let me look into it. > > The rules around this is in > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/X11.tmpl, around line 2210, search for xpm. > > /Andy > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cygwin-rule.diff Type: text/x-diff Size: 1031 bytes Desc: not available URL: From george.wakileh@vol.at Wed May 23 10:51:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:51:00 -0000 Subject: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' Message-ID: <01C0E3C1.B758B050@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hello, Trying to compile xpaint and xart, I am getting /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' /lib/libm.a(s_infconst.o)(.text+0x0): first defined here collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [xpaint] Error 1 Any idea how to fix this? Thanks. Have a pleasant day. George From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 11:29:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:29:00 -0000 Subject: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A6E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Remove -lm and -lc from linker line > -----Original Message----- > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 1:35 PM > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple > definition of `__infinity' > > > Hello, > > Trying to compile xpaint and xart, I am getting > > /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition > of `__infinity' > /lib/libm.a(s_infconst.o)(.text+0x0): first defined here > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make: *** [xpaint] Error 1 > > Any idea how to fix this? > > Thanks. > > Have a pleasant day. > > George > From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 11:56:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:56:00 -0000 Subject: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' References: <01C0E3C1.B758B050@george.wakileh@vol.at> Message-ID: What does the compilation/link line look like?? *hmm* generally, if my memory doesn't fail me, you should not link with -lm on cygwin (anyone who protests)?? How do you generate makefiles and so on for xpaint and xart? Where can we find them? /Andy / "George J. Wakileh" wrote: | Hello, | | Trying to compile xpaint and xart, I am getting | | /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' | /lib/libm.a(s_infconst.o)(.text+0x0): first defined here | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | make: *** [xpaint] Error 1 | | Any idea how to fix this? | | Thanks. | | Have a pleasant day. | | George From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 11:56:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:56:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <1993-Wed23May2001151500+0100-starksb@ebi.ac.uk> Message-ID: David, > I'm willing to bet that the Cygwin folks building documentation are > doing so on Linux. (I'd bet one beer, anyway. Maybe not a whole > 6-pack...) Ah good, so I'm not alone in thinking that it is ok to build the documentation on Linux. Does Cygwin actually have an elaborate build system for documentation? (e.g. makefiles, autoconf stuff, etc.) Or, do the doc builders just run 'db2html' on their Linux boxen when things have been updated? Thanks for the input, Harold From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 12:07:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:07:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A6C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Nope. I also tried with #define SharedXReqs $(XTOOLLIB) $(XPMLIB) $(XLIB) $(LDPOSTLIBS) instead of #define SharedXReqs $(XTOOLLIB) $(XPLIB) $(XLIB) $(LDPOSTLIBS) The link command is: (Yes I ran xmkmf between the edits of the tmpl-file), no -lXpm to link with. rm -f xkeycaps.exe gcc -o xkeycaps.exe -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -fpcc-struct-return -m486 -Wall -L/usr/X11R6/lib ./xkeycaps.o ./KbdWidget.o ./KeyWidget.o ./info.o ./actions.o ./commands.o ./guess.o ./all-kbds.o -lXaw -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXext -lX11 -lXext -lX11 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Unfortunetaly I don't know much about which files are being read and so on, but X11.tmpl does #if SharedLibXpm #ifndef SharedXpmRev #define SharedXpmRev 4.11 #endif SharedLibReferences(XPM,Xpm,$(XPMLIBSRC),SOXPMREV,SharedXpmRev) #else ProjectUnsharedLibReferences(XPM,Xpm,$(XPMLIBSRC),XBuildLibDir) #endif Hmm SharedLibReferences, how does that expand?? Ahh well.. :-) /Andy / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: | Try the following patch to cygwin.tmpl. I have not tested it. Let me know | if it helps. | | Suhaib From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 12:14:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:14:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A6F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > Unfortunetaly I don't know much about which files are being > read and so on, but X11.tmpl does > > #if SharedLibXpm > #ifndef SharedXpmRev > #define SharedXpmRev 4.11 > #endif > SharedLibReferences(XPM,Xpm,$(XPMLIBSRC),SOXPMREV,SharedXpmRev) > #else > ProjectUnsharedLibReferences(XPM,Xpm,$(XPMLIBSRC),XBuildLibDir) > #endif > > Hmm SharedLibReferences, how does that expand?? Ahh well.. :-) This for compilation of xpm library from sources. Send me your Imakefile from xkeycaps. Suhaib > > /Andy > > > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > | Try the following patch to cygwin.tmpl. I have not tested > it. Let me > | know if it helps. > | > | Suhaib > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 12:29:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:29:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A70@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> This your xkeycap Imakefile problem. Have a look at the following line.... LOCAL_LIBRARIES = $(XAWLIB) $(XTOOLLIB) $(XTRAP_LIBS) $(XMULIB) $(XLIB) It should be: LOCAL_LIBRARIES = $(XAWLIB) $(XTOOLLIB) $(XTRAP_LIBS) $(XMULIB) $(XPMLIB) $(XLIB) I assume this Imakefile of xfree86? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:25 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Subject: Re: Dynamic linking.. or?? > > > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > | [...] > | > #if SharedLibXpm > | > #ifndef SharedXpmRev > | > #define SharedXpmRev 4.11 > | > #endif > | > SharedLibReferences(XPM,Xpm,$(XPMLIBSRC),SOXPMREV,SharedXpmRev) > | > #else > | > ProjectUnsharedLibReferences(XPM,Xpm,$(XPMLIBSRC),XBuildLibDir) > | > #endif > | > > | > Hmm SharedLibReferences, how does that expand?? Ahh well.. :-) > | > | This for compilation of xpm library from sources. > > Well if I don't define SharedLibXpm in the cygnus.tmpl it > includes -lXpm in the generated Makefile.. Hmm *thinking* I > tried defining SharedLibXpm as NO but it still missed -lXpm, > I removed SharedLibXpm from the cygwin.tmpl, and then the > link was ok.. *hmm* > > | Send me your Imakefile from xkeycaps. > > Included, if you want to try xkeycaps for yourself, it is > available from http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/ . > > /Andy > > From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 12:41:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:41:00 -0000 Subject: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin References: <20010523141936.11765.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kevin, > Turns out that > for my "Cannot Open Display: 127.0.0.1:0.0" problem is > was a conflict with a program called Aventail Connect > (VPN software) On a Windows NT or Windows 2000 machine with Aventail Connect installed, could you do this one thing and report back the results please? tracert 127.0.0.1 Thanks, Harold P.S. The point of this is to see if 127.0.0.1 is being redirected to another machine. Windows 95/98/Me don't come with a traceroute utility, but if you find one you could test on a Windows 95/98/Me machine as well :) From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 12:43:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:43:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A70@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Should it really be so?? * It compiles bloody fine on solaris and linux from that Imakefile * It is libXaw that wants Xpm, the system, not the application! How can the author of xkeycaps know this! * I compile it fine on a 'old' solaris machine with no libXpm installed.. Should it anyway ask for libXpm?? LD_RUN_PATH=/usr/openwin/lib cc -o xkeycaps -O -Xc -xF -xcg92 -L/usr/openwin/lib ./xkeycaps.o ./KbdWidget.o ./KeyWidget.o ./info.o ./actions.o ./commands.o ./guess.o ./all-kbds.o ./sunOS.o -lXaw -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXmu -lm -lXext -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl Adding $(XPMLIB) to local libraries.. Well it still works on solaris, but mainly because openwin didn't define XPMLIBS so it is replaced with an empty string. / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: [...] | I assume this Imakefile of xfree86? How do you mean?? This Imakefile is from the old application xkeycaps.. dated 99 or something. Ahh well.. /Andy From george.wakileh@vol.at Wed May 23 12:43:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:43:00 -0000 Subject: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' Message-ID: <01C0E3D1.4E437E50@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hello, http://home.worldonline.dk/~torsten/xpaint/ http://www.smart.net/~humbubba/linux.html I will try with no -lm -lc. Thanks very much. George -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Markebo [SMTP:flognat@flognat.myip.org] Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2001 20:56 To: George J. Wakileh Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' Subject: Re: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' What does the compilation/link line look like?? *hmm* generally, if my memory doesn't fail me, you should not link with -lm on cygwin (anyone who protests)?? How do you generate makefiles and so on for xpaint and xart? Where can we find them? /Andy From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 12:47:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:47:00 -0000 Subject: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' References: <01C0E3D1.4E437E50@george.wakileh@vol.at> Message-ID: Yep -lm is specified in the Imakefile.. Hmm isn't this some kind of rule by thumb that normally you want this if you want advanced math in your application *bonk* *bonk*.. If we want to dig this, check the probable discussions on the cygwin mailinglist ;-) /Andy / "George J. Wakileh" wrote: | Hello, | | http://home.worldonline.dk/~torsten/xpaint/ | http://www.smart.net/~humbubba/linux.html | | I will try with no -lm -lc. | | Thanks very much. | | George | | -----Original Message----- | From: Andrew Markebo [SMTP:flognat@flognat.myip.org] | Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2001 20:56 | To: George J. Wakileh | Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' | Subject: Re: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' | | What does the compilation/link line look like?? | | *hmm* generally, if my memory doesn't fail me, you should not link | with -lm on cygwin (anyone who protests)?? | | How do you generate makefiles and so on for xpaint and xart? Where can | we find them? | | /Andy From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 12:50:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 12:50:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A73@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > * It compiles bloody fine on solaris and linux from that Imakefile > > * It is libXaw that wants Xpm, the system, not the application! How > can the author of xkeycaps know this! > > * I compile it fine on a 'old' solaris machine with no libXpm > installed.. Should it anyway ask for libXpm?? > > LD_RUN_PATH=/usr/openwin/lib cc -o xkeycaps -O -Xc -xF -xcg92 > -L/usr/openwin/lib ./xkeycaps.o ./KbdWidget.o ./KeyWidget.o > ./info.o ./actions.o ./commands.o ./guess.o ./all-kbds.o > ./sunOS.o -lXaw > -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXmu -lm -lXext -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl Yep, NOTE there is no -lXpm even on your Solaris? libXaw.a in XF86 4.0.x needs to link to libXpm, which was missing from your Imakefile. > > Adding $(XPMLIB) to local libraries.. Well it still works on > solaris, but mainly because openwin didn't define XPMLIBS so > it is replaced with an empty string. ' Huh? Openwin? I specifically asked you, On Solaris are you using Xsun libs or Xfree86 lib. You said Xfree86 4.0. Of course OpenWin libXaw does not need -lXpm > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > [...] > | I assume this Imakefile of xfree86? > > How do you mean?? This Imakefile is from the old application > xkeycaps.. dated 99 or something. Yes older version, in 99 xf86 was 3.3.x and there was no libXpm in it Suhaib > > > Ahh well.. > > /Andy > From duck@duckland.org Wed May 23 13:05:00 2001 From: duck@duckland.org (Don Duck Harper) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:05:00 -0000 Subject: Announcing: WindowMaker 0.65.0, libPropList-0.10.1, WindowMaker-extra 0.1 Message-ID: <20010523150543.B21561@duckland.org> Warning: This work for me, kinda. I am still fighting w/ the session getting reset after each use, and WPrefs blows chunks on me currently. ObDisclaimer: I do not work for cygnus or redhat, and have no relation with them bseides using their products. These packages are offered as is, with no warrenty. If they blow you your machine, you have been warned. :) With that diclaimer, my first pass at packaging these up are currently sitting at http://www.duckland.org/cygwin/ . Go look at the downloads page. They are degined to live under /usr/local Please send any comments to cygwin@duckland.org about these packages. Thanks... 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From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 13:14:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:14:00 -0000 Subject: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] References: Message-ID: Andrew, I have just been reading my email in chronological order and I just finished an addition to the FAQ draft by the time I got to your suggestion :) Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Andrew > Markebo > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:02 PM > To: 'cygwin xfree' > Subject: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] > > > Something for the FAQ maybe?? > > "If you are receiving cannot open display check if you have any > firewalls, VPN or similar [list of programs Zonealarm, Checkpoint, > Avantail].. > > /Andy From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 13:19:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:19:00 -0000 Subject: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A74@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:48 PM > To: George J. Wakileh > Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: Re: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple > definition of `__infinity' > > > Yep -lm is specified in the Imakefile.. Hmm isn't this some > kind of rule by thumb that normally you want this if you want > advanced math in your application *bonk* *bonk*.. Yes it is. But on cygwin those rules are in libcygwin.a, and libm.a is a symlink to licybwin.a therefore you get multiple defined references errors. Suhaib > > If we want to dig this, check the probable discussions on the > cygwin mailinglist ;-) > > /Andy > > / "George J. Wakileh" wrote: > | Hello, > | > | http://home.worldonline.dk/~torsten/xpaint/ > | http://www.smart.net/~humbubba/linux.html > | > | I will try with no -lm -lc. > | > | Thanks very much. > | > | George > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Andrew Markebo [SMTP:flognat@flognat.myip.org] > | Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2001 20:56 > | To: George J. Wakileh > | Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' > | Subject: Re: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): > multiple definition of `__infinity' > | > | What does the compilation/link line look like?? > | > | *hmm* generally, if my memory doesn't fail me, you should not link > | with -lm on cygwin (anyone who protests)?? > | > | How do you generate makefiles and so on for xpaint and > xart? Where can > | we find them? > | > | /Andy > From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 13:40:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:40:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 Message-ID: I have posted a new draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html I have posted the SGML source to the draft at: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygx-faq-src.20010523-1633.tar.bz 2 (15 kB) Changes 1) Added a glossary with a few definitions for some terms that may be unfamiliar to some users; more definitions will be added over time. http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/glossary.html 2) Added an question and answer for "Cannot Open Display..." http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#AEN397 3) Split SGML source into several files, one for each section of the QandA, one for the bibliography, and one for the glossary. 4) Minor changes that I have forgotten :) Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 13:44:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:44:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A73@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: (This debate can go on for ever :-).. I will probably give up after this and idly start looking around for the docs, or post on news :-) ) The question remains: ===================== You say it is the author of xkeycaps who should put -lXpm into his Imakefile.. I don't agree.. If he doesn't use Xpm, in his application, neither does his libXaw, why should he have to lookup what our system wants and add that to the Imakefile.. Isn't it the configuration on the machine who wants to build it who should put it there, because it knows that its libXaw needs Xpm?? | > LD_RUN_PATH=/usr/openwin/lib cc -o xkeycaps -O -Xc -xF -xcg92 | > -L/usr/openwin/lib ./xkeycaps.o ./KbdWidget.o ./KeyWidget.o | > ./info.o ./actions.o ./commands.o ./guess.o ./all-kbds.o | > ./sunOS.o -lXaw | > -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXmu -lm -lXext -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl | | Yep, NOTE there is no -lXpm even on your Solaris? | libXaw.a in XF86 4.0.x needs to link to libXpm, which was missing from your | Imakefile. Sorry I am running solaris on a sparc machine, therefore no XF86 on that, tried two scenarios: * Old OpenWin first. no libXpm exists.. linked ok. * New X11R6 (on another SUN) compiled fine without -lXpm, even when the X11R6 -lXaw __wants__ -lXpm. I also compile xkeycaps on my linux machine, with XF86. There is no -lXpm on the link-line, but it links ok anyhow.. And my linux -lXaw wants Xpm, to be loaded during runtime. | > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: | > [...] | > | I assume this Imakefile of xfree86? | > | > How do you mean?? This Imakefile is from the old application | > xkeycaps.. dated 99 or something. | | Yes older version, in 99 xf86 was 3.3.x and there was no libXpm in it No it is NO _xf86_ Imakefile, it is xkeycaps Imakefile.. /Andy From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 13:46:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:46:00 -0000 Subject: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin References: Message-ID: | P.S. The point of this is to see if 127.0.0.1 is being redirected to another | machine. Windows 95/98/Me don't come with a traceroute utility, but if you | find one you could test on a Windows 95/98/Me machine as well :) Isn't "tracert" included in Win9x?? Traceroute in 8.3 format ;-) /Andy From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 13:48:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:48:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A75@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > (This debate can go on for ever :-).. I will probably give up > after this and idly start looking around for the docs, or > post on news :-) ) > > The question remains: > ===================== > > You say it is the author of xkeycaps who should put -lXpm > into his Imakefile.. I did not say that... You read it in between lines, perhaps. OUR LibXAW is static and needs libXpm to resolve many symbols. In our case libXaw is static therefore it is not linked to any Other libs, you need to provide other libs to the linker to resolve Undefined symbols. Suhaib > > I don't agree.. If he doesn't use Xpm, in his application, > neither does his libXaw, why should he have to lookup what > our system wants and add that to the Imakefile.. > > Isn't it the configuration on the machine who wants to build > it who should put it there, because it knows that its libXaw > needs Xpm?? > > | > LD_RUN_PATH=/usr/openwin/lib cc -o xkeycaps -O -Xc -xF -xcg92 > | > -L/usr/openwin/lib ./xkeycaps.o ./KbdWidget.o ./KeyWidget.o > | > ./info.o ./actions.o ./commands.o ./guess.o ./all-kbds.o > | > ./sunOS.o -lXaw > | > -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXmu -lm -lXext -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl > | > | Yep, NOTE there is no -lXpm even on your Solaris? > | libXaw.a in XF86 4.0.x needs to link to libXpm, which was missing > | from your Imakefile. > > Sorry I am running solaris on a sparc machine, therefore no > XF86 on that, tried two scenarios: > * Old OpenWin first. no libXpm exists.. linked ok. > * New X11R6 (on another SUN) compiled fine without -lXpm, even when > the X11R6 -lXaw __wants__ -lXpm. > > I also compile xkeycaps on my linux machine, with XF86. There > is no -lXpm on the link-line, but it links ok anyhow.. And my > linux -lXaw wants Xpm, to be loaded during runtime. > > > | > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > | > [...] > | > | I assume this Imakefile of xfree86? > | > > | > How do you mean?? This Imakefile is from the old application > | > xkeycaps.. dated 99 or something. > | > | Yes older version, in 99 xf86 was 3.3.x and there was no > libXpm in it > > No it is NO _xf86_ Imakefile, it is xkeycaps Imakefile.. > > /Andy > From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 13:54:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:54:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A75@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: [...] | > You say it is the author of xkeycaps who should put -lXpm | > into his Imakefile.. | | I did not say that... You read it in between lines, perhaps. | OUR LibXAW is static and needs libXpm to resolve many symbols. | In our case libXaw is static therefore it is not linked to any | Other libs, you need to provide other libs to the linker to resolve | Undefined symbols. And I mean that if it is possible, xmkmf should put the -lXpm into the Makefile, because it knows that it is needed?? /Andy From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 13:55:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:55:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A76@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Are you going to provide two different FAQ on our Cygwin/XFree86 URL? Your FAQ is no where to complete. MOTIF and a lots of other issues which are already discussed in present FAQ are being omitted. In its present form it is insufficeinet to put at Cygwin/Xfree86. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:40 PM > To: cygx > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 > > > I have posted a new draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > > I have posted the SGML source to the draft at: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygx-faq-src.200105 23-1633.tar.bz 2 (15 kB) Changes 1) Added a glossary with a few definitions for some terms that may be unfamiliar to some users; more definitions will be added over time. http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/glossary.html 2) Added an question and answer for "Cannot Open Display..." http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#AEN397 3) Split SGML source into several files, one for each section of the QandA, one for the bibliography, and one for the glossary. 4) Minor changes that I have forgotten :) Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 13:56:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:56:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A77@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:54 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: Re: Dynamic linking.. or?? > > > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > [...] > | > You say it is the author of xkeycaps who should put -lXpm > | > into his Imakefile.. > | > | I did not say that... You read it in between lines, perhaps. OUR > | LibXAW is static and needs libXpm to resolve many symbols. > In our case > | libXaw is static therefore it is not linked to any Other libs, you > | need to provide other libs to the linker to resolve > Undefined symbols. > > And I mean that if it is possible, xmkmf should put the -lXpm > into the Makefile, because it knows that it is needed?? > Well let's me explain xmkmf generates Makefile from your Imakefile. If you do not provide XPM in your Imake file it will not put It... May be someone else has a better solution. Suhaib > /Andy > > > From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 13:57:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:57:00 -0000 Subject: ancient files in ftp Message-ID: Could we please remove the following from the ftp archives? All directory references are from the cygwin/xfree/ directory. drivers/ Of these I know for sure that ntux_ddx, xf_dx_2.0, xfddx_3 are dead. I have no idea what xf_init, xf_vfs, and xfmap are. Currently we don't use any external drivers, so there should not be a "drivers" directory. framework-xf86/ I created everything in this directory; it has all been merged into the XFree86 CVS tree. The files in this directory represent the very beginnings of my work and should be removed to prevent confusion. Thanks, Harold From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Wed May 23 14:09:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:09:00 -0000 Subject: The "correct" way to do an XFree86 debug build References: <20010420093357.F10530@valinux.com> Message-ID: <20010523220436.J836@valinux.com> On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 10:48:03PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > Alan, > > Our previous method of doing a debug build of XFree86 was to add -g to > xc/cf/cygwin.cf/OptimizedCDebugFlags. > > I'm woking on documenting the Cygwin/XFree86 build process and I'd like to > ensure that our method is correct. Should we also be defining DEBUG and > SMART_DEBUG on xc/cf/cygwin.cf/StandardDefines? > > Furthermore, is there a simple switch that we should be toggling to enable a > full debug build? > > I'd like to have as correct an answer as possible, so that we don't have to > answer these questions again in the future :) > Sorry for the delay. There's a wrapper for make in xc/util/ called makeg which will build the stuff with -g for you. Use that and shouldn't need to touch any files. Alan. From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 14:10:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:10:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A77@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: | [...] | | Well let's me explain xmkmf generates Makefile from your Imakefile. | If you do not provide XPM in your Imake file it will not put | It... May be someone else has a better solution. But if I remove the line "#define SharedLibXpm YES" from my cygwin.conf, xmkmf puts -lXpm in the Makefile. /Andy p.s. Lets see if I can hold my comments from now then.. :-) third try.. :-) From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 14:13:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:13:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A78@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:10 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: Re: Dynamic linking.. or?? > > > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > | [...] > | > | Well let's me explain xmkmf generates Makefile from your > Imakefile. If > | you do not provide XPM in your Imake file it will not put > It... May be > | someone else has a better solution. > > But if I remove the line "#define SharedLibXpm YES" from my > cygwin.conf, xmkmf puts -lXpm in the Makefile. That I said I will look into, when next time I compile X sources tree. The #define SharedLibXpm YES is for compiling libXpm.dll. Since you are not compiling X sources, you can remove it from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/cygwin.rules if it helps you. > > /Andy > > p.s. Lets see if I can hold my comments from now then.. :-) third > try.. :-) > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 14:17:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:17:00 -0000 Subject: ancient files in ftp Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A79@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Could we please remove the following from the ftp archives? > All directory references are from the cygwin/xfree/ directory. > > drivers/ > Of these I know for sure that ntux_ddx, xf_dx_2.0, > xfddx_3 are dead. I have no idea what xf_init, xf_vfs, and > xfmap are. Currently we don't use any external drivers, so > there should not be a "drivers" directory. The xvfb still uses those drivers. They need to be there For future contributors to extend the work because they contain Sources. > > > framework-xf86/ > I created everything in this directory; it has all been > merged into the XFree86 CVS tree. The files in this > directory represent the very beginnings of my work and should > be removed to prevent confusion. Only this will will be deleted. Suhaib > > Thanks, > > Harold > > > From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 14:19:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:19:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A76@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Regarding question 4.4 :-) At the moment you need to add a hint that -lXpm should be added in the makefile if someone wants to compile xkeycaps. Maybe we could include it in the 'installation'? Hmm Error and warning messages.. maybe should be put under something like "Troubleshooting"? /Andy From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 14:26:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:26:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A76@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > Are you going to provide two different FAQ on our Cygwin/XFree86 URL? > > Your FAQ is no where to complete. MOTIF and a lots of other issues which > are already discussed in present FAQ are being omitted. In its > present form > it is insufficeinet to put at Cygwin/Xfree86. That sure is awfully accusative. I would think that everyone understands the meaning of the word 'draft'. You know, I work awfully hard on this project and I put a lot of time into it. I'd really appreciate it some people would stop trying to fight me and instead start trying to work with me. Have I ever carried out a rash decision that hurt the project? No, I always discuss things, even unpopular things before committing to them. Does everyone here understand that I like to work on drafts before committing to a new thing? Yes, that should be fairly obvious, as I have done that with the overlay test server, the offscreen framebuffer test server, the User's Guide, the shadow framebuffer test server, the new project homepage, and now with the FAQ. I see two options here, I can continue doing things as I have been, sans the negative comments from the peanut gallery, or we can have a communication breakdown and resort to a CVS commit war. I might note that all recent evidence indicates that I'll win any such CVS commit war, as I have the majority of CVS commits :) I have to confess that this email is partly joking, yet partly serious :) Before sending emails to me, care of the list or not, you might want to think about whether it will cause me to write long faux diatribes like this in response :) Just think, I could have been answering FAQ questions or programming, rather than writing this email :) Harold "Just let me work in peace and I'll be happy" Hunt P.S. I guess in the future I'll give inflammatory posts the response they deserve: none. From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 14:33:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:33:00 -0000 Subject: ancient files in ftp References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A79@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Suhaib, > The xvfb still uses those drivers. They need to be there > For future contributors to extend the work because they contain > Sources. That was correct about a week ago. vfb on Cygwin was a full server masquerading as vfb, which is supposed to be a server that can run without input and output devices. vfb is supposed to be a dummy server that allows one to run an X client on a machine with no real input or output devices (think of a rack mount server with no peripherals). vfb on Cygwin violated the meaning and purpose of vfb, so it was removed from XFree86 CVS a couple weeks back. vfb can now be used on Cygwin as it was intended to be used. If there really is still a need for the incomplete server that was the old vfb on Cygwin, then it should live in a directory under xc/programs/Xserver/hw/ other than vfb/ or xwin/. If that is not the case, then the drivers/ directory should be removed from our ftp repository to prevent confusion. Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 14:38:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:38:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 References: Message-ID: Andy, > Regarding question 4.4 :-) At the moment you need to add a hint that > -lXpm should be added in the makefile if someone wants to compile > xkeycaps. That may be a good idea. However, I need something for 4.3 first: I need an example command line of how to load a modmap with xmodmap, and I need to know where to tell users where to call xmodmap from, exactly. For example, the answer might be as simple as, "add 'start xmodmap xmodmap.de' to startxwin.bat, right after the line that starts XWin." Could you send me such an example that has been tested? Thank you in advance. > Hmm Error and warning messages.. maybe should be put under something > like "Troubleshooting"? Oh, I named that section Error and Warning Messages because it is only a listing of Errors and Warnings that have specific answers. I will soon be adding a section called "Troubleshooting" that lists things to try when a specific solution to a particular error message is not available. Does that make sense? Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 14:42:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:42:00 -0000 Subject: The "correct" way to do an XFree86 debug build References: <20010523220436.J836@valinux.com> Message-ID: Alan, > There's a wrapper for make in xc/util/ called makeg which will build the > stuff with -g for you. Use that and shouldn't need to touch any files. I was hoping there was a better way to do a debug build, and man that is beautiful! Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 14:48:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:48:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A6C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: I just finished building a tree with Suhaib's patch. What exactly am I supposed to be looking for? Should a new DLL appear, should an old one disappear? Or is something else entirely supposed to happen? Oh, I should note that I have not changed the #define SharedLibXpm YES line in xc/cf/cygwin.rules. That is to say, I still have that symbol defined as YES. Let me know what to look for and I'll let you know what I see. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 14:56:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:56:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A7A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > I just finished building a tree with Suhaib's patch. > > What exactly am I supposed to be looking for? Should a new > DLL appear, should an old one disappear? Or is something > else entirely supposed to happen? Nothing should disappear or fade away, no new dll should pop in or pop-out ;-) That patch was to see if it would have helped with xmkmf issue Andy had been complaining. My patch should not affect compling X sources tree. Everything should compile as before. If you notice something broken (i.e. some dll or clients failed to compile etc)then let me know, otherwise I will apply te patch for next binary release. Notice in original cygwin.tmpl XawClient libs link order was wrong? XPM was after XLIB which suppose to be before XLIB. > > Oh, I should note that I have not changed the #define > SharedLibXpm YES line in xc/cf/cygwin.rules. That is to say, > I still have that symbol defined as YES. Can you try Commenting out #define SharedLibXpm YES i.e. change to XCOMM #define SharedLibXpm YES See if you can still compile libXpm.dll? If it does then we will remove the line #define SharedLibXpm YES from cygwin.rules. Thanks Suhaib > > Let me know what to look for and I'll let you know what I see. > > Harold > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 15:02:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:02:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <001f01c0e3d3$cb74d4d0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "Robert Collins" Cc: "cygx" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:57 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > Robert, > > Before you read what follows you're going to have to understand a couple > things: > 1) I program and I write documentation... I do things... talking doesn't get > things done. :) Sure :]. I have the same attitude. I don't understand why you think (I don't || you don't). However doing without communicating can lead to misdirected work / work that isn't as effective as as what happens when we discuss things _before they become part of the project_. Thats what open source usually entails. You've got a neat contribution here. Good. It needs to be examined _before_ it gets added to the project. And no, it doesn't need to be perfect before it goes in, but the roadmap needs to have a couple of steps in it. > 2) I'm perfectly happy with my current system of building and distributing > the documentation. Good. I'm not intending that _you_ need to change. I'm pointing out what I believe is needed to get a maintainable (for me) system to replace the current maintainable (for anyone) HTML page. I'm expecting that I'll still be keeping the FAQ maintained, as noone has offered to step to that role on an ongoing basis. Thus.... I want a build system. > 3) I'll use any logical build system that someone else creates, but > motivating me to create such a system myself is going to be nearly > impossible :) Hmm. I offered to build it a few emails back. (To which your reply was db2html :]). > 4) In my view, the number of people submitting patches to the documentation > (total over the last 8 months: 0) doesn't yet warrant the investment of time > in creating a documentation build system. However, see #3. Uhhh. Total over the last 2 months is around 5 patches. And they were of the form "foo is wrong"... not "here's a diff". _Thats why the investment_. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > I forgot to mention, DocBook-tools were/are developed by Cygnus. > DocBook-tools are simply a set of scripts that make building DocBook easier. > You can download DocBook-tools from any Cygnus mirror in docbook-tools/, > such as: > http://mirrors.rcn.net/pub/sourceware/docbook-tools/ Yah. I've been around this one before (when you started on you userguide). It was no-go then, but I am a lot better of this time. openjade && OpenSP don't actuall install their system catalogs, one has to do that oneself (and the tutorial for cygwin-sgml authoring neglected to mention that). However I'm basically setup now and ready to go. > You may want to look at Cygwin's DocBook build system, which uses db2html... > I noticed a small blurb about building Cygwin documentation at: > http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/faq/faq_4.html#SEC88 > > > Thank you for looking into the XML side. I'm not too concerned about > > what GNU/Linux distro's come with... (I have openBSD or win32 here, and > > I believe we should have no expectation that contributors/users are > > working on anything but cygwin). > > Unfortunately, db2html works the same on GNU/Linux as it does on Cygwin. :) > db2html doesn't work with XML on either platform. Well thats good news in a sense. I'm back on the hunt for a fully user-friendly authoring system. > > Secondly, converting the files is _one_ operation. We have more than one > > operation: build a web site copy (collate the howto and the faq in > > correct directories vs build a printable copy (sure it's only a > > stylesheet change) vs make a tarball for downloading from the website. > > Building a printable copy with DocBook-tools is easy: db2pdf, db2ps, db2dvi, > and dv2rtf. Harold, I _know_ that. Thats why I listed multiple different options. And knowing that db2pdf is available ____does not tell the end user which style sheet for what size paper and so on____. > > So, given that with the current cygwin, openjade && openSP no longer > > build easily (I'm getting a set of feedback for Marcus together), we > > still don't have an OOTB solution for making (note: not editing..) > > docbook based documentation. > > Cygwin builds their documentation with db2html, and they mention in their > FAQ that you must install DocBook-tools in order to build the documentation. > I don't see why it would be a problem for us to do the same thing. Thank you again. I'm trying to get the docbook-tools happy... I've not suggested we don't use docbook. I've not suggesteed that db2html not be the conversion tool - if it's on a users system (& we're not using xml stylesheets). Having a make system would address the difficulty you saw with db2html before though. > One more thing: the XFree86 tree comes with an optional set of documentation > building tools and there is a good amount of DocBook SGML documentation in > the XFree86 tree. I wonder if the optional documentation building tools are > things like Jade, DTDs, stylesheets, and a build system for DocBook? You > may want to look at building our documentation as part of the XFree86 tree > if these tools are distributed with XFree86 CVS. That could be very neat. However today we have 2 small problems: (1) the XFree86 CVS tree is on the wrong server (same issue as using sourceforge IMO). (2) building X is a huge task, and I cannot imagine _end users_ (such as myself - can develop, just aren't developing on X) who are FAQ contributors doing that to build a FAQ page to see how their patch looks. Rob > > Harold > > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 15:09:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:09:00 -0000 Subject: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A69@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <008901c0e3d4$c9b220c0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Markebo" To: "'cygwin xfree'" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:01 AM Subject: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] > Something for the FAQ maybe?? > > "If you are receiving cannot open display check if you have any > firewalls, VPN or similar [list of programs Zonealarm, Checkpoint, > Avantail].. > http://xfree86.cygwin.com/faq.html entry 2.9 Rob From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 15:10:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:10:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 References: Message-ID: | However, I need something for 4.3 first: I need an example command | line of how to load a modmap with xmodmap, and I need to know where | to tell users where to call xmodmap from, exactly. For example, the | answer might be as simple as, "add 'start xmodmap xmodmap.de' to | startxwin.bat, right after the line that starts XWin." Could you | send me such an example that has been tested? I added "xmodmap //j/.xmodmap.se" directly after start XWin and it worked. Actually, the .xmodmap file will be ~/.xmodmap-[computername], but ~ can't be expanded by cmd so.. A warning.. Don't use pc-105 and swedish, use pc-105 and swedish/finnish, I don't know what is wrong with the first.. but ah well.. here comes a working swedish/finnish xmodmap. /Andy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: xmodmap.se.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 1573 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nzanella@cs.mun.ca Wed May 23 15:11:00 2001 From: nzanella@cs.mun.ca (Neil Zanella) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:11:00 -0000 Subject: X and $HOME Message-ID: Hello, For some reason when I run startx the $HOME environment is not set. This is used by sh's cd builtin which happens to be invoked by my window manager's configuration script. But $HOME is set in plain cygwin without XFree. It seems very odd to me that the value of the environment variable is lost upon starting X with startxwin.bat. How can this be fixed? Thanks, Neil From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 15:12:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:12:00 -0000 Subject: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A6A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c0e3d5$40762e40$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> It's __ALREADY__ THERE. With a longer explanation. I'll add in a list of program names (current known ones that cause issues is ZoneAlarm and Avantail.) Harold - can you please add the same program names in your draft faq. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: "'Andrew Markebo'" ; "'cygwin xfree'" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:36 AM Subject: RE: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] > This is for Rob To DO. > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:02 PM > > To: 'cygwin xfree' > > Subject: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] > > > > > > Something for the FAQ maybe?? > > > > "If you are receiving cannot open display check if you have > > any firewalls, VPN or similar [list of programs Zonealarm, > > Checkpoint, Avantail].. > > > > /Andy > > > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 15:19:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:19:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <015501c0e3d6$243da4a0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" > Ah good, so I'm not alone in thinking that it is ok to build the > documentation on Linux. Whoever said it shouldn't be ok to do that? The point is that is __MUST__ be ok for cygwin users to build. Otherwise we are going __backwards__. > Does Cygwin actually have an elaborate build system for documentation? > (e.g. makefiles, autoconf stuff, etc.) Or, do the doc builders just run > 'db2html' on their Linux boxen when things have been updated? autoconf is used, not automake: $ ls /usr/src/src/winsup/doc/ CVS faq.texinfo overview2.sgml ChangeLog fhandler-tut.txt pathnames.sgml Makefile.in filemodes.sgml programming.sgml calls.texinfo gcc.sgml readme.texinfo changes.texinfo gdb.sgml relnotes.texinfo configure history.texinfo setup-net.sgml configure.in how-api.texinfo setup.sgml copy.texinfo how-programming.texinfo setup2.sgml cygwin-api.in.sgml how-resources.texinfo textbinary.sgml cygwin-ug-net.in.sgml how-using.texinfo using.sgml cygwin-ug.in.sgml how.texinfo what.texinfo cygwinenv.sgml install.texinfo who.texinfo dll.sgml legal.sgml windres.sgml doctool.c ntsec.sgml doctool.txt overview.sgml > Thanks for the input, > > Harold > > Rob From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 15:25:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:25:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A7A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Suhaib, > Nothing should disappear or fade away, no new dll should pop in or pop-out > ;-) Yup, you are correct. Nothing changed. I tested the server and it worked fine. The number of files in my old /usr/X11R6/ was the same as the number of files in the new one, and there was a libXpm.dll and libXpm.a in both builds. > Can you try Commenting out #define SharedLibXpm YES i.e. change to > > XCOMM #define SharedLibXpm YES I'm building this right now. I'm going to dinner and to the store... the build should be done in about 75 minutes, which is when I should be back. I'll report the results. Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 15:28:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:28:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <000001c0e360$07d3cae0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <1993-Wed23May2001151500+0100-starksb@ebi.ac.uk> Message-ID: <01f301c0e3d7$86d36a90$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Starks-Browning" To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:15 AM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > On Wednesday 23 May 01, Harold Hunt writes: > > Cygwin builds their documentation with db2html, and they mention in their > > FAQ that you must install DocBook-tools in order to build the documentation. > > I don't see why it would be a problem for us to do the same thing. > > I'm willing to bet that the Cygwin folks building documentation are > doing so on Linux. (I'd bet one beer, anyway. Maybe not a whole > 6-pack...) Thanks David, I'll match your beer and raise you a shot glass :]. Rob > I, for one, build the FAQ on UNIX (various, incl. RH-Linux), not Cygwin. > > Cheers, > David (Cygwin FAQ maintainer) > > From cgf@redhat.com Wed May 23 15:30:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:30:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <1993-Wed23May2001151500+0100-starksb@ebi.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20010523183053.A15022@redhat.com> On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 02:55:56PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: >David, > >> I'm willing to bet that the Cygwin folks building documentation are >> doing so on Linux. (I'd bet one beer, anyway. Maybe not a whole >> 6-pack...) > >Ah good, so I'm not alone in thinking that it is ok to build the >documentation on Linux. > >Does Cygwin actually have an elaborate build system for documentation? >(e.g. makefiles, autoconf stuff, etc.) Or, do the doc builders just run >'db2html' on their Linux boxen when things have been updated? > >Thanks for the input, There's a doc directory. "make" produces the documentation. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Wed May 23 15:39:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:39:00 -0000 Subject: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' References: <01C0E3D1.4E437E50@george.wakileh@vol.at> Message-ID: <20010523183916.B15022@redhat.com> On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:47:31PM +0200, Andrew Markebo wrote: >Yep -lm is specified in the Imakefile.. Hmm isn't this some kind of >rule by thumb that normally you want this if you want advanced math in >your application *bonk* *bonk*.. > >If we want to dig this, check the probable discussions on the cygwin >mailinglist ;-) i.e., the cygwin mailing list archives. cgf >/ "George J. Wakileh" wrote: >| Hello, >| >| http://home.worldonline.dk/~torsten/xpaint/ >| http://www.smart.net/~humbubba/linux.html >| >| I will try with no -lm -lc. >| >| Thanks very much. >| >| George >| >| -----Original Message----- >| From: Andrew Markebo [SMTP:flognat@flognat.myip.org] >| Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2001 20:56 >| To: George J. Wakileh >| Cc: 'cygwin-xfree' >| Subject: Re: /lib/libcygwin.a(ds00022.o)(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `__infinity' >| >| What does the compilation/link line look like?? >| >| *hmm* generally, if my memory doesn't fail me, you should not link >| with -lm on cygwin (anyone who protests)?? >| >| How do you generate makefiles and so on for xpaint and xart? Where can >| we find them? >| >| /Andy -- cgf@cygnus.com Red Hat, Inc. http://sources.redhat.com/ http://www.redhat.com/ From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 15:44:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:44:00 -0000 Subject: FAQ DRAFT RANTS References: Message-ID: <020501c0e3d9$af1521e0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Ok, if the rants have started.. my turn for a rant. This is an interleaved rant, possibly a nearly extinct animal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "'cygx'" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:26 AM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 > > Are you going to provide two different FAQ on our Cygwin/XFree86 URL? > > > > Your FAQ is no where to complete. MOTIF and a lots of other issues which > > are already discussed in present FAQ are being omitted. In its > > present form > > it is insufficeinet to put at Cygwin/Xfree86. > > That sure is awfully accusative. I would think that everyone understands > the meaning of the word 'draft'. We do. And Suhaib and I both asked you directly to a) do a minor update that you had volunteered to do on FAQ, but b) leave any major changes until the User Guide had been updated to be inline with the current Binaries (ie including new tarball names and the like). Now you may have completed b), but I don't recall an announcement. WE ONLY know what YOU tell us. > > You know, I work awfully hard on this project and I put a lot of time into > it. I'd really appreciate it some people would stop trying to fight me and > instead start trying to work with me. Who's trying to fight you? I'm trying to make sure you spend the minimum time needed to produce a good FAQ doc system for the project.. by raising all issues I see as soon as possible - to reduce any wasted time/effort. > Have I ever carried out a rash decision that hurt the project? No, I always > discuss things, even unpopular things before committing to them. Has anyone suggested that your are doing this now? No. Why are you raising this concern? > Does everyone here understand that I like to work on drafts before > committing to a new thing? Yes, that should be fairly obvious, as I have > done that with the overlay test server, the offscreen framebuffer test > server, the User's Guide, the shadow framebuffer test server, the new > project homepage, and now with the FAQ. Good. That's exactly the way we have worked before, and there is _no_ issue there. Understand that you have _two_ drafts in _one_ document: a draft build system, and a draft content. Suhaib above has pointed out that your content is missing a lot of things that _we have been asked recently_. If you started the new FAQ from scratch, then this _is expected_. If you started by deleting without asking.... well we don't know which you did. Either you haven't copied very closely from the current (less than perfect) FAQ, or you have deleted content that is important. Either way I'm not concerned about that _yet_. Because I'm still not sold on the SGML FAQ. I think it will be good if we can meet some basic criteria. > I see two options here, I can continue doing things as I have been, sans the > negative comments from the peanut gallery, or we can have a communication > breakdown and resort to a CVS commit war. I might note that all recent > evidence indicates that I'll win any such CVS commit war, as I have the > majority of CVS commits :) > Harold, we seem to already have a comms problem. You've felt the need to explain to me that you code and doc rather than waste time talking. Well, you are now reaping the result of not talking first. Talking to layout what happens does _not_ waste time. When did you _ask_ what criteria the current FAQ maintainer felt there was if a change in the authoring system was to occur? When did you _ask_ what content was felt to be obsolete (or conversely, state that you think point foo, bar and johnny were obsolete and were there objections to removing them) ? I'm doing my best to be supportive of you efforts, and you are being helpful with my problems getting to the point where I can _test_ what you have done. > I have to confess that this email is partly joking, yet partly serious :) I'm serious. No joke. > Harold "Just let me work in peace and I'll be happy" Hunt Yeah. Well, this is a project, with team members. A big part of working in such environments is dicussion and talking. I hope I haven't been to inflammatory above: but I'm feeling a similar frustration to what you have expressed. (Without the "I work hard on cygwin/Xfree86" bit :] ) Rob From george.wakileh@vol.at Wed May 23 15:56:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:56:00 -0000 Subject: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "then") Message-ID: <01C0E3EC.45459930@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hello, Trying to compile gtkmathview, I am getting checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "then") I checked wctype.h in /usr/include/mingw, but can't find anything missing. Any idea? Thanks. George From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 16:04:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:04:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <001f01c0e3d3$cb74d4d0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <025201c0e3dc$928bce40$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Collins" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Hunt" > > Robert, > > > > Hmm. I offered to build it a few emails back. (To which your reply was > db2html :]). And which I've got bad news about. docbook-tools are rpm only, and the cvs variant used rpm spec files to build. It also uses jade, not openjade (and jade is no longer under development). > > > > Unfortunately, db2html works the same on GNU/Linux as it does on > Cygwin. :) > > db2html doesn't work with XML on either platform. > > Well thats good news in a sense. I'm back on the hunt for a fully > user-friendly authoring system. > Harold, I have a challenge for you. Build your FAQ on cygwin with db2html. That will solve 90% of my concerns. Meanwhile I'm heading down a make system path for the doco. Rob From george.wakileh@vol.at Wed May 23 16:19:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:19:00 -0000 Subject: Xaw3d Message-ID: <01C0E3EF.77503D10@george.wakileh@vol.at> Hello, I would like to ask if we can build a static library libXaw3d.a In one trial, I got $ make rm -f AsciiSink.o gcc -fpcc-struct-return -c -O -I/include -DUSE_XWCHAR_STRING AsciiSink.c AsciiSink.c: In function `InsertCursor': AsciiSink.c:365: structure has no member named `insertCursorOn' AsciiSink.c: In function `Initialize': AsciiSink.c:536: structure has no member named `insertCursorOn' AsciiSink.c: In function `Destroy': AsciiSink.c:557: structure has no member named `insertCursorOn' make: *** [AsciiSink.o] Error 1 In another, I got yacc not found lex not found Of course, we do not have yacc.exe and lex.exe. However, I can see we have byacc.exe and flex.exe. I needed libXaw3d.a because it is requested to compile gv. George From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 16:26:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:26:00 -0000 Subject: typo Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <015501c0e3d6$243da4a0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <027801c0e3df$a0918f40$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Collins" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Hunt" > > Does Cygwin actually have an elaborate build system for documentation? > > (e.g. makefiles, autoconf stuff, etc.) Or, do the doc builders just > run > > 'db2html' on their Linux boxen when things have been updated? > > autoconf is used, not automake: Sorry - I phrased this badly: of the autotools, only autoconf is used. Rob From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 16:37:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:37:00 -0000 Subject: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] References: <00bb01c0e3d5$40762e40$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: Robert, > Harold - can you please add the same program names in your draft faq. I did that before Andrew even asked :) http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#AEN401 Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 16:39:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:39:00 -0000 Subject: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] References: Message-ID: <029601c0e3e1$4df3bd60$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "Robert Collins" ; "'cygwin xfree'" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: RE: To FAQ [was Re: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin] > Robert, > > > Harold - can you please add the same program names in your draft faq. > > I did that before Andrew even asked :) > > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#AEN401 > > Harold > Cool. Sometimes it's confusing with 300+ messages whther you've hit the end f a thread or not :]. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 16:44:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:44:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A7B@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > Are you going to provide two different FAQ on our Cygwin/XFree86 URL? > > > > Your FAQ is no where to complete. MOTIF and a lots of other issues > which > > are already discussed in present FAQ are being omitted. In its > > present form > > it is insufficeinet to put at Cygwin/Xfree86. > > That sure is awfully accusative. I would think that everyone understands > the meaning of the word 'draft'. Huh? What is accusative here? I am asking a question. I see programmers Section not in your FAQ draft? Dlls and several other points are missing? When someone puts a draft and there already exists a document DO WE NOT HAVE TO CONSULT IT? I see no reasons of not looking at it and adding the new things there, reformating and reorganizing, instead of not including what is already there? > > > You know, I work awfully hard on this project and I put a lot of time into > it. I'd really appreciate it some people would stop trying to fight me > and > instead start trying to work with me. Your hard work is highly appreciated. No one is pointing fingers at you for a blame. I suggest you do not read between lines and get angry for no reasons. Every one has a right to ask questions. I have a right too I GUESS. I put that FAQ which is already there over 1 1/2 year period and I see no good reason not to read it and consult it when you put a new one??? > > Have I ever carried out a rash decision that hurt the project? No, I > always > discuss things, even unpopular things before committing to them. Did I say that? > > Does everyone here understand that I like to work on drafts before > committing to a new thing? Yes, that should be fairly obvious, as I have > done that with the overlay test server, the offscreen framebuffer test > server, the User's Guide, the shadow framebuffer test server, the new > project homepage, and now with the FAQ. Yes everyone understands. That is why I said it is no where close to complete. Please consult the existing FAQ and include what you have missed, Then post a revised draft and people will read it. After a reach a consensus on it then you could go ahead and commit it. > > I see two options here, I can continue doing things as I have been, sans > the > negative comments from the peanut gallery, or we can have a communication > breakdown and resort to a CVS commit war. I might note that all recent > evidence indicates that I'll win any such CVS commit war, as I have the > majority of CVS commits :) > It is your choice. I do not have time for a war and neither I am interested in it. I have more important things to do then get into arguments. You are taking my comments personally and out of context. This is an open source project and everyone is welcome to contribute, and everyone is welcome to comment, but I DO suggest do not start replacing or omitting the stuff which we is needed or will be needed in FAQ. Your contributions which I thought should replace previous work I approved that without even making it an issue. The hw/xwin code was replaced totally with your code because your contributed code was better then previous one so I threw away previous server code and replace it with yours. > > I have to confess that this email is partly joking, yet partly serious :) It is your problem. I do not know what problem you got with me. I have noticed some of your post or replies to my answers to users questions were very friendly and unprofessional. I one of your mail when I asked a user which video card he was using, instead of him, you replied, "xwin is not video card dependent, GOT IT BECAUASE IT IS IMPORTANT" I do not think I am so stupid not to know that much? I asked that question for some reasons and I will let you think why I asked... I had ignored your unfriendly replies and comments... and I suggest please do not in future. > > Before sending emails to me, care of the list or not, you might want to > think about whether it will cause me to write long faux diatribes like > this > in response :) nonsense! I do not have time for it. You need to read existing FAQ and see what you missed there and why did you not include it? I had no time to write long faux diatribes like yours in response to your few unfriendly replies to lists. Your contributions are appreciated by everyone, including me that was the reason I nominated you Xfree86 developers list and gave you CVS access over here so you can work efficiently. > > Just think, I could have been answering FAQ questions or programming, > rather > than writing this email :) > > Harold "Just let me work in peace and I'll be happy" Hunt > > P.S. I guess in the future I'll give inflammatory posts the response they > deserve: none. Your choice. If your inflammatory posts in response to simple questions of why starts then I must say Sorry, it will be unfortunate and you will be doing more harm to project then good. Suhaib From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 16:46:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:46:00 -0000 Subject: ancient files in ftp Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A7C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > That was correct about a week ago. vfb on Cygwin was a full server > masquerading as vfb, which is supposed to be a server that can run without > input and output devices. vfb is supposed to be a dummy server that > allows > one to run an X client on a machine with no real input or output devices > (think of a rack mount server with no peripherals). vfb on Cygwin > violated > the meaning and purpose of vfb, so it was removed from XFree86 CVS a > couple > weeks back. > > vfb can now be used on Cygwin as it was intended to be used. > > If there really is still a need for the incomplete server that was the old > vfb on Cygwin, then it should live in a directory under > xc/programs/Xserver/hw/ other than vfb/ or xwin/. > > If that is not the case, then the drivers/ directory should be removed > from > our ftp repository to prevent confusion. Huh? How about your part was hw/xwin and User Guide stick with it and stop shooting order that "this should be removed and that should not be...' Suhaib > > Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 16:47:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:47:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A7D@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Thanks Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:25 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi; 'Andrew Markebo' > Cc: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: RE: Dynamic linking.. or?? > > Suhaib, > > > Nothing should disappear or fade away, no new dll should pop in or pop- > out > > ;-) > > Yup, you are correct. Nothing changed. I tested the server and it worked > fine. The number of files in my old /usr/X11R6/ was the same as the > number > of files in the new one, and there was a libXpm.dll and libXpm.a in both > builds. > > > Can you try Commenting out #define SharedLibXpm YES i.e. change to > > > > XCOMM #define SharedLibXpm YES > > I'm building this right now. I'm going to dinner and to the store... the > build should be done in about 75 minutes, which is when I should be back. > I'll report the results. > > Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 17:18:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:18:00 -0000 Subject: sytle sheet version Message-ID: <02e001c0e3e6$da512c70$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Harold, I've got the faq building somewhat close to what you've got... What version of docbook, and the modular stylesheets are you using? (I don't get a toc for instance.) It may be a build problem, and openjade problem, or the stylesheet - which is why I ask. Rob From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 17:19:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:19:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A7B@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Suhaib, > you replied, "xwin is not > video card dependent, GOT IT BECAUASE IT IS IMPORTANT" Just so I don't sound like a right bloody bastard, I'd like to quote verbatim what I said, "Cygwin/XFree86 has no video card dependencies; understand that, it's important." I said that because Cygwin/XFree86 used to be video card dependent in that some video card drivers did not support overlays, and there were some problem flags being passed to some DirectDraw functions that made it seem as if Cygwin/XFree86 was video card dependent, when it in fact wasn't. I don't think my tone was overly strong, but I did wan't to nip in the bud any ideas that the new Cygwin/XFree86 is video card and/or DirectDraw version dependent. To clarify: the current server will fall back on DirectDraw if DirectDraw4 is not installed, then it will fall back on GDI if DirectDraw is not installed or is not operational. Furthermore, I saw exactly what the user's problem was, so I didn't want anyone to get the idea that we should be asking user's what their video card is as part of the troubleshooting process (as this would just be a wild goose chase). Sorry if it came off as rude; I was merely trying to be stern :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Are you going to provide two different FAQ on our Cygwin/XFree86 URL? > Huh? What is accusative here? I am asking a question. Well, to understand why I took offense at this we'll have to bring in the definition of "rhetorical question", from http://www.clearcf.uvic.ca/writersguide/Pages/RhetRhetQuestion.html , "A rhetorical question implies that the answer is obvious--the kind of question that does not need actually to be answered. It is used for rhetorically persuading someone of a truth without argument, or to give emphasis to a supposed truth by stating its opposite ironically." The form of your question implied that I was going to post my draft FAQ to the Cygwin/XFree86 site soon and that this would be bad thing. Unfortunately, we can only convey our intentions through textual expression; when I read that grammatical form, I took it as an attack. A more tactful way to voicing your concerns could have been something like this, "Motif questions, as well as some others are missing... you are going to add these before the FAQ draft becomes the FAQ final, right?" And to that I could have only one reply, "Yes, of course, I'm not quite done yet." Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 17:28:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:28:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: Message-ID: Okay, my build has completed with Suhaib's earlier patch to xc/config/cf/cygwin.tmpl and: #define SharedLibXpm NO Previous build had /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a (27 kB), new build has /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a (69 kB). Previous build had /usr/X11R6/bin/libXpm.dll (45 kB), new build does not have /usr/X11R6/bin/libXpm.dll. Total size of /usr/X11R6/ went from (87,183,595 bytes) to (88,048,056 bytes) Apparently a whole lot of stuff links to Xpm. :) This appears to be as expected, correct? I tested the server and it works. Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 17:31:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:31:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <025201c0e3dc$928bce40$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: Robert, > And which I've got bad news about. docbook-tools are rpm only, and the > cvs variant used rpm spec files to build. It also uses jade, not > openjade (and jade is no longer under development). I don't believe that is entirely correct, as I saw lots of tarballs and such; however, it doesn't really matter, as Chris's comment that Cygwin uses a makefile has me leaning in the direction of rolling our own documentation makefiles. There is an example makefile for building DocBook SGML at: http://people.debian.org/~bortz//SGML-HOWTO/potato/x165.html With such a makefile we should be able to change to DocBook XML, which would be nice, as you had noted. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 17:33:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:33:00 -0000 Subject: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "then") Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A7E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> This one you should ask at cygwin mailing list, please. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:43 PM > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of > file unexpected (expecting "then") > > Hello, > > Trying to compile gtkmathview, I am getting > > checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file > unexpected (expecting "then") > > I checked wctype.h in /usr/include/mingw, but can't find anything missing. > > Any idea? > > Thanks. > > George From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 17:35:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:35:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A7F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> This thread is dead. I do not have time for this. Others who wish to argue do on a private basis. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:19 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi; 'cygx' > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 > > Suhaib, > > > you replied, "xwin is not > > video card dependent, GOT IT BECAUASE IT IS IMPORTANT" > > Just so I don't sound like a right bloody bastard, I'd like to quote > verbatim what I said, "Cygwin/XFree86 has no video card dependencies; > understand that, it's important." > > I said that because Cygwin/XFree86 used to be video card dependent in that > some video card drivers did not support overlays, and there were some > problem flags being passed to some DirectDraw functions that made it seem > as > if Cygwin/XFree86 was video card dependent, when it in fact wasn't. I > don't > think my tone was overly strong, but I did wan't to nip in the bud any > ideas > that the new Cygwin/XFree86 is video card and/or DirectDraw version > dependent. To clarify: the current server will fall back on DirectDraw if > DirectDraw4 is not installed, then it will fall back on GDI if DirectDraw > is > not installed or is not operational. Furthermore, I saw exactly what the > user's problem was, so I didn't want anyone to get the idea that we should > be asking user's what their video card is as part of the troubleshooting > process (as this would just be a wild goose chase). Sorry if it came off > as > rude; I was merely trying to be stern :) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > > > Are you going to provide two different FAQ on our Cygwin/XFree86 > URL? > > Huh? What is accusative here? I am asking a question. > > Well, to understand why I took offense at this we'll have to bring in the > definition of "rhetorical question", from > > http://www.clearcf.uvic.ca/writersguide/Pages/RhetRhetQuestion.html , > > "A rhetorical question implies that the answer is obvious--the kind of > question that does not need actually to be answered. It is used for > rhetorically persuading someone of a truth without argument, or to give > emphasis to a supposed truth by stating its opposite ironically." > > The form of your question implied that I was going to post my draft FAQ to > the Cygwin/XFree86 site soon and that this would be bad thing. > Unfortunately, we can only convey our intentions through textual > expression; > when I read that grammatical form, I took it as an attack. > > A more tactful way to voicing your concerns could have been something like > this, "Motif questions, as well as some others are missing... you are > going > to add these before the FAQ draft becomes the FAQ final, right?" And to > that I could have only one reply, "Yes, of course, I'm not quite done > yet." > > Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 17:40:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:40:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <030f01c0e3e9$e5d9b870$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "Robert Collins" Cc: "cygx" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > Robert, > > > And which I've got bad news about. docbook-tools are rpm only, and the > > cvs variant used rpm spec files to build. It also uses jade, not > > openjade (and jade is no longer under development). > > I don't believe that is entirely correct, as I saw lots of tarballs and > such; however, it doesn't really matter, as Chris's comment that Cygwin uses > a makefile has me leaning in the direction of rolling our own documentation > makefiles. > > There is an example makefile for building DocBook SGML at: > > http://people.debian.org/~bortz//SGML-HOWTO/potato/x165.html > > With such a makefile we should be able to change to DocBook XML, which would > be nice, as you had noted. Very good timing - I am just typing up the Makefile for using openjade directly. :] > > Harold > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 17:41:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:41:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A80@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Okay, my build has completed with Suhaib's earlier patch to > xc/config/cf/cygwin.tmpl and: > #define SharedLibXpm NO > > Previous build had /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a (27 kB), new build has > /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a (69 kB). > > Previous build had /usr/X11R6/bin/libXpm.dll (45 kB), new build does not > have /usr/X11R6/bin/libXpm.dll. > > Total size of /usr/X11R6/ went from (87,183,595 bytes) to (88,048,056 > bytes) > > Apparently a whole lot of stuff links to Xpm. :) > > This appears to be as expected, correct? Yes it is correct. But what about commenting our #define SharedLibXpm (removing it from cygwin.rules) does it still build libXpm.Dll. I assume it will not. We need #define SharedLibpXpm Yes in cygwin.rules, to build libXpm as DLL. I did not understand Andy, why after removing #define SharedLibXpm from cygwin.rules, xmkmf genrates Makfiles from Imakefile with -lXpm after -lXaw. Suhaib > > I tested the server and it works. > > Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 18:17:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:17:00 -0000 Subject: sytle sheet version References: <02e001c0e3e6$da512c70$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: I've been building on Mandrake 8.0, which has DSSSL 1.6.2, as near as I can tell. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Robert > Collins > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:17 PM > To: Harold Hunt; Cygx (E-mail) > Subject: sytle sheet version > > > Harold, > I've got the faq building somewhat close to what you've got... > > What version of docbook, and the modular stylesheets are you using? (I > don't get a toc for instance.) > > It may be a build problem, and openjade problem, or the stylesheet - > which is why I ask. > > Rob > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 23 18:27:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:27:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A81@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> It should be safe to remove the line #define SharedLibXpm YES from cygwin.rules. It should still compile as libXpm.dll. It is defined in X11.tmpl. This should fix -lXpm problem which Andy mentioned for xeycap. Thus no need to put in FAQ? Well, I have not tested it, yet. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:20 PM > To: 'Harold Hunt'; 'cygx' > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 > > Regarding question 4.4 :-) At the moment you need to add a hint that > -lXpm should be added in the makefile if someone wants to compile > xkeycaps. > > Maybe we could include it in the 'installation'? > > Hmm Error and warning messages.. maybe should be put under something > like "Troubleshooting"? > > /Andy From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 19:01:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:01:00 -0000 Subject: ancient files in ftp References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A7C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Suhaib, > Huh? How about your part was hw/xwin and User Guide stick with > it and stop > shooting order that "this should be removed and that should not be...' That is precisely the attitude that I thought I had sensed earlier. I knew it was around there somewhere :) Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 19:11:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:11:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:31 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > > > On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 02:55:56PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > >David, > > > >> I'm willing to bet that the Cygwin folks building documentation are > >> doing so on Linux. (I'd bet one beer, anyway. Maybe not a whole > >> 6-pack...) > > > >Ah good, so I'm not alone in thinking that it is ok to build the > >documentation on Linux. > > > >Does Cygwin actually have an elaborate build system for > documentation? > >(e.g. makefiles, autoconf stuff, etc.) Or, do the doc > builders just run > >'db2html' on their Linux boxen when things have been updated? > > > >Thanks for the input, > > There's a doc directory. "make" produces the documentation. Uhmm. Yeah. Problem is, I cannot get the db2html script to play. Not badly, not nicely. It's bundled with jade, not openjade.. and last I tried failed to build the rpms. Any hints are appreciated... > > cgf > From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 19:11:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:11:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A81@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Wait, I thought you wanted me to set ShardLibXpm to NO. I must have misread. I'll rebuild with the line removed. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:27 PM > To: 'Andrew Markebo'; 'Harold Hunt'; 'cygx' > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 > > > > It should be safe to remove the line #define SharedLibXpm YES from > cygwin.rules. It should still compile as libXpm.dll. It is defined in > X11.tmpl. This should fix -lXpm problem which Andy mentioned for xeycap. > Thus no need to put in FAQ? Well, I have not tested it, yet. > > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:20 PM > > To: 'Harold Hunt'; 'cygx' > > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 > > > > Regarding question 4.4 :-) At the moment you need to add a hint that > > -lXpm should be added in the makefile if someone wants to compile > > xkeycaps. > > > > Maybe we could include it in the 'installation'? > > > > Hmm Error and warning messages.. maybe should be put under something > > like "Troubleshooting"? > > > > /Andy From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 19:21:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:21:00 -0000 Subject: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "then") References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A7E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: George, On a whim, have you got binmode or textmode mounts? Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Suhaib > Siddiqi > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:33 PM > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: RE: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end > of file unexpected (expecting "then") > > > > This one you should ask at cygwin mailing list, please. > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:43 PM > > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > > Subject: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of > > file unexpected (expecting "then") > > > > Hello, > > > > Trying to compile gtkmathview, I am getting > > > > checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file > > unexpected (expecting "then") > > > > I checked wctype.h in /usr/include/mingw, but can't find > anything missing. > > > > Any idea? > > > > Thanks. > > > > George From cgf@redhat.com Wed May 23 20:53:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:53:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <20010523235255.A25670@redhat.com> On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 12:02:31PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] >> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:31 AM >> To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com >> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft >> >> >> On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 02:55:56PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: >> >David, >> > >> >> I'm willing to bet that the Cygwin folks building documentation are >> >> doing so on Linux. (I'd bet one beer, anyway. Maybe not a whole >> >> 6-pack...) >> > >> >Ah good, so I'm not alone in thinking that it is ok to build the >> >documentation on Linux. >> > >> >Does Cygwin actually have an elaborate build system for >> documentation? >> >(e.g. makefiles, autoconf stuff, etc.) Or, do the doc >> builders just run >> >'db2html' on their Linux boxen when things have been updated? >> > >> >Thanks for the input, >> >> There's a doc directory. "make" produces the documentation. > >Uhmm. Yeah. Problem is, I cannot get the db2html script to play. Not >badly, not nicely. It's bundled with jade, not openjade.. and last I >tried failed to build the rpms. > >Any hints are appreciated... I haven't been able to build Cygwin documentation with openjade either. Not that this helps... cgf From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 20:56:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:56:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] > >Uhmm. Yeah. Problem is, I cannot get the db2html script to play. Not > >badly, not nicely. It's bundled with jade, not openjade.. and last I > >tried failed to build the rpms. > > > >Any hints are appreciated... > > I haven't been able to build Cygwin documentation with > openjade either. > > Not that this helps... Lol!. Can you offer tips for getting jade going on cygwin then? I'm quite pragmatic about this :]. Rob > cgf > From cgf@redhat.com Wed May 23 21:02:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:02:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: Message-ID: <20010524000228.B25670@redhat.com> On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 01:47:55PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] >> >Uhmm. Yeah. Problem is, I cannot get the db2html script to play. Not >> >badly, not nicely. It's bundled with jade, not openjade.. and last I >> >tried failed to build the rpms. >> > >> >Any hints are appreciated... >> >> I haven't been able to build Cygwin documentation with >> openjade either. >> >> Not that this helps... > >Lol!. Can you offer tips for getting jade going on cygwin then? I'm >quite pragmatic about this :]. I've never tried to get it running on Cygwin, actually. I primarily live on Linux. My current Windows machine is too slow for doing real work. I don't even know what I had installed on my system when it used to work. The Red Hat RPM virus seems to have done a good job of removing all traces of my previous installation. Possibly just installing the tools at sources.redhat.com is all that is required but I am reluctant to do that and find that I've impacted some other package on my system. I did manage to get something almost working when I installed this: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/ASP//i386/RPMS.rcf/stylesheets-1.54.13rh-6.asp.noarch.html but that gave me errors about '-I' being an invalid option. Possibly DJ knows the magic incantation necessary to get this working on recent versions of Red Hat linux. cgf From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 21:44:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:44:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 References: Message-ID: Just finished a build with Suhaib's cygwin.tmpl patch and with the SharedLibXpm line removed. I get a libXpm.dll and libXpm.a, just as before any of the modifications. That was the intention, correct? I confirmed that the server works. Harold From duck@caveduck.com Wed May 23 21:55:00 2001 From: duck@caveduck.com (Dave Cook) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:55:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: X and startx References: <002201c0e375$3db84860$6800a8c0@dbca950> Message-ID: <004801c0e40d$c2835ab0$6800a8c0@dbca950> [discussion re the proper place to put /usr/X11R6/bin onto $PATH] Andrew Markebo wrote... > Is /etc/profile _always_ read?? If you just run bash from a > command-prompt (not login), isn't it supposed to inherit the > environment from where it started. That is true. But anytime you launch a Cygwin bash or sh from the Windows world, you really need to use --login to activate the profile machinery. The purpose of /etc/profile etc. is precisely to provide a place for fundamental setup (like the X11 bin path) that child processes can inherit. /etc/profile is the only reliable place to put such "universal" settings. You could think about putting the X11 path in .bashrc, but if bash is invoked as 'sh', the *only* startup files that are read are /etc/profile and ./profile, and then only with -login. You can't convince 'sh' to read ~/.bashrc at startup, even with --rcfile (see bash man page for gory details). Cygwin's own cygwin.bat uses "bash --login -i" to launch the shell from Windows. Likewise I have a shortcut on my desktop with the following command line to properly start X: bash --login -c 'startx' Although it is possible to start a non-login bash from Windows, such a shell will have many limitations in consequence of not running /etc/profile. I don't think we should warp the XFree86/Cygwin installation to accommodate that. Better IMHO to Robert Collins suggested that we should lobby to get /usr/X11R6/bin added to the /etc/profile generated by the Cygwin core installer. I think this will be an excellent idea at the point when XF86 is included with the standard Cygwin distro. Regards, Dave Cook From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 22:08:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:08:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: X and startx References: <002201c0e375$3db84860$6800a8c0@dbca950> <004801c0e40d$c2835ab0$6800a8c0@dbca950> Message-ID: <002001c0e40f$65adb860$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cook" To: Cc: "Andrew Markebo" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Fw: X and startx > [discussion re the proper place to put /usr/X11R6/bin onto $PATH] > > Robert Collins suggested that we should lobby to get /usr/X11R6/bin added to the > /etc/profile generated by the Cygwin core installer. I think this will be an excellent > idea at the point when XF86 is included with the standard Cygwin distro. What do you think about doing that now? IMO your suggestion re /etc/profile is the right way to do it(tm), but altering /etc/profile post-cygwin install is the wrong way... thus my suggestion. I see no reason to wait for XFree86 being included. Rob > > Regards, > > Dave Cook > > From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 22:11:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:11:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: X and startx [cfg: please comment] References: <002001c0e40f$65adb860$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: > What do you think about doing that now? IMO your suggestion re > /etc/profile is the right way to do it(tm), but altering /etc/profile > post-cygwin install is the wrong way... thus my suggestion. > > I see no reason to wait for XFree86 being included. I got the impression that David thinks we should do it now, as it will just be required by the time that Cygwin/XFree86 uses the Cygwin installer. In any case, I support the idea of adding /usr/X11R6/bin/ to the path in /etc/profile if Chris Faylor signs off on it. Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 22:12:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:12:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: X and startx [cfg: please comment] References: Message-ID: <002801c0e40f$f2d74350$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "Robert Collins" ; "Dave Cook" ; Cc: "Andrew Markebo" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: RE: Fw: X and startx [cfg: please comment] > > What do you think about doing that now? IMO your suggestion re > > /etc/profile is the right way to do it(tm), but altering /etc/profile > > post-cygwin install is the wrong way... thus my suggestion. > > > > I see no reason to wait for XFree86 being included. > > I got the impression that David thinks we should do it now, as it will just > be required by the time that Cygwin/XFree86 uses the Cygwin installer. > > In any case, I support the idea of adding /usr/X11R6/bin/ to the path in > /etc/profile if Chris Faylor signs off on it. I'll just add for clarity: David suggested a "protected" means, where it is only added if the appropriate directories exist. Rob > Harold > From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 22:14:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:14:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: X and startx [cfg: please comment] References: <002801c0e40f$f2d74350$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: > I'll just add for clarity: David suggested a "protected" means, where it > is only added if the appropriate directories exist. Huh... I must have missed that. Thanks for the clarification. Harold From tailbert@yahoo.com Wed May 23 22:15:00 2001 From: tailbert@yahoo.com (edward) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:15:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft References: <20010524000228.B25670@redhat.com> Message-ID: <001c01c0e410$bb2dbb40$9865fea9@tailifer.com> Just FYI, it *is* possible to build the docs on cygwin. I had it set up a while back when i posted some sgml patches (most likely to cygwin@cygwin.com). I have a new machine, so when I get the docs working I'll post what I did. cheers, edward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Faylor" To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ draft > On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 01:47:55PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] > >> >Uhmm. Yeah. Problem is, I cannot get the db2html script to play. Not > >> >badly, not nicely. It's bundled with jade, not openjade.. and last I > >> >tried failed to build the rpms. > >> > > >> >Any hints are appreciated... > >> > >> I haven't been able to build Cygwin documentation with > >> openjade either. > >> > >> Not that this helps... > > > >Lol!. Can you offer tips for getting jade going on cygwin then? I'm > >quite pragmatic about this :]. > > I've never tried to get it running on Cygwin, actually. I primarily > live on Linux. My current Windows machine is too slow for doing real > work. > > I don't even know what I had installed on my system when it used to > work. The Red Hat RPM virus seems to have done a good job of removing > all traces of my previous installation. Possibly just installing the > tools at sources.redhat.com is all that is required but I am reluctant > to do that and find that I've impacted some other package on my system. > > I did manage to get something almost working when I installed this: > > http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/ASP//i386/RPMS.rcf/stylesheets-1.54.13rh-6.asp . noarch.html > > but that gave me errors about '-I' being an invalid option. > > Possibly DJ knows the magic incantation necessary to get this working > on recent versions of Red Hat linux. > > cgf From cgf@redhat.com Wed May 23 22:22:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:22:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: X and startx [cfg: please comment] References: <002001c0e40f$65adb860$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010524012201.A6267@redhat.com> On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 01:11:28AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: >> What do you think about doing that now? IMO your suggestion re >> /etc/profile is the right way to do it(tm), but altering /etc/profile >> post-cygwin install is the wrong way... thus my suggestion. >> >> I see no reason to wait for XFree86 being included. > >I got the impression that David thinks we should do it now, as it will just >be required by the time that Cygwin/XFree86 uses the Cygwin installer. > >In any case, I support the idea of adding /usr/X11R6/bin/ to the path in >/etc/profile if Chris Faylor signs off on it. Actually, I don't know who supports /etc/profile. I am not sure exactly where it comes from. Someone should send a message to cygwin-apps and find out. I have no problems with adding /usr/X11R6/bin but it's not really my decision. cgf From duck@caveduck.com Wed May 23 22:23:00 2001 From: duck@caveduck.com (Dave Cook) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:23:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: X and startx [cfg: please comment] References: Message-ID: <000b01c0e411$aa83b870$6800a8c0@dbca950> > > I'll just add for clarity: David suggested a "protected" means, where it > > is only added if the appropriate directories exist. > > Huh... I must have missed that. Thanks for the clarification. > Hmm I'm don't share the opposition to =carefully= operating on /etc/profile. Even if we get Mr. Faylor to sign off on it now for a near-future Cygwin 1.3.x, there will be plenty of people using older profiles that are going to need them updated. I think we'll need this technology :) Regards, Dave Cook From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 22:32:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:32:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A80@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: | | I did not understand Andy, why after removing #define SharedLibXpm from | cygwin.rules, xmkmf genrates Makfiles from Imakefile with -lXpm after -lXaw. I assumed xmkmf read cygwin.rules, before X11.tmpl (I think strace showed this), thus the define in cygwin.rules adds or removes the macro for linking in -lXpm... /Andy p.s. You will probably be lucky now.. I am off four days on 'vacation' without email *arrghgh*.. :-) From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 23 22:36:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:36:00 -0000 Subject: Addition to the FAQ References: <002201c0e375$3db84860$6800a8c0@dbca950> <004801c0e40d$c2835ab0$6800a8c0@dbca950> Message-ID: Here I come with my 'addition to the faq' emails.. this might be something of interest?? /Andy / "Dave Cook" wrote: | [discussion re the proper place to put /usr/X11R6/bin onto $PATH] | | Andrew Markebo wrote... | > Is /etc/profile _always_ read?? If you just run bash from a | > command-prompt (not login), isn't it supposed to inherit the | > environment from where it started. | | That is true. But anytime you launch a Cygwin bash or sh from the Windows world, you | really need to use --login to activate the profile machinery. The purpose of /etc/profile | etc. is precisely to provide a place for fundamental setup (like the X11 bin path) that | child processes can inherit. /etc/profile is the only reliable place to put such | "universal" settings. From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 22:38:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:38:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? References: Message-ID: Have a nice vacation Andrew. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Andrew > Markebo > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:32 AM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: 'cygx' > Subject: Re: Dynamic linking.. or?? > > > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > | > | I did not understand Andy, why after removing #define SharedLibXpm from > | cygwin.rules, xmkmf genrates Makfiles from Imakefile with -lXpm > after -lXaw. > > I assumed xmkmf read cygwin.rules, before X11.tmpl (I think strace > showed this), thus the define in cygwin.rules adds or removes the > macro for linking in -lXpm... > > /Andy > > p.s. You will probably be lucky now.. I am off four days on 'vacation' > without email *arrghgh*.. :-) From ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro Wed May 23 22:49:00 2001 From: ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro (claude) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: win_ip_address:0.0 not a valid... it works References: Message-ID: Sorry, I was typing export $DISPLAY instead of DISPLAY. Duh ! Now it works. On Wed, 23 May 2001, claude wrote: > Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide at Displaying Remote Clients says: > > 5. In your telnet session type, DISPLAY=windows_host_ip_address:0.0 > 6. In your telnet session type, export DISPLAY > > This doesn't work. On an OpenBSD 2.8, bash, it will say: > export: `192.168.1.8:0.0': not a valid identifier > > Any ideas on how to make this work ? > > > From ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro Wed May 23 22:49:00 2001 From: ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro (claude) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: windows_host_ip_address:0.0 not a valid id on remote host Message-ID: Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide at Displaying Remote Clients says: 5. In your telnet session type, DISPLAY=windows_host_ip_address:0.0 6. In your telnet session type, export DISPLAY This doesn't work. On an OpenBSD 2.8, bash, it will say: export: `192.168.1.8:0.0': not a valid identifier Any ideas on how to make this work ? From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 22:54:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:54:00 -0000 Subject: win_ip_address:0.0 not a valid... it works References: Message-ID: Heh... glad we, er, you, could help :) Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of claude > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:41 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: win_ip_address:0.0 not a valid... it works > > > Sorry, I was typing export $DISPLAY instead of DISPLAY. Duh ! > Now it works. > > On Wed, 23 May 2001, claude wrote: > > > Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide at Displaying Remote Clients says: > > > > 5. In your telnet session type, DISPLAY=windows_host_ip_address:0.0 > > 6. In your telnet session type, export DISPLAY > > > > This doesn't work. On an OpenBSD 2.8, bash, it will say: > > export: `192.168.1.8:0.0': not a valid identifier > > > > Any ideas on how to make this work ? > > > > > > > From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 23:00:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:00:00 -0000 Subject: The "correct" way to do an XFree86 debug build References: <20010523220436.J836@valinux.com> Message-ID: Alan, > There's a wrapper for make in xc/util/ called makeg which will build the > stuff with -g for you. Use that and shouldn't need to touch any files. Oh, ah, I think you meant xc/config/util/. I'm running it as follows from xc/: config/util/makeg.sh World Does that look correct? Thanks again, Harold From ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro Wed May 23 23:17:00 2001 From: ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro (claude) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:17:00 -0000 Subject: SecurityPolicy missing Message-ID: My SecurityPolicy file is missing in action :) Can someone show me the syntax for this file, maybe an example ? Thanks, Claude From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 23:22:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:22:00 -0000 Subject: sgml building package Message-ID: <007701c0e419$b1bddfa0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0.tar.gz is a draft package that should pickup the appropriate tool (jade or openjade) via configure and build the draft sgml based faq. If your docbook modular stylesheets aren't in /usr/local/share/sgml/stylesheets/db164/html/docbook.dsl you will need to edit faq/Makefile.am and correct the path there. It's an automake system, so all the usual targets exist. Of note: 'make check' in the root will validate the sgml. 'make' will generate html output (I haven't dug into tex based output on cygwin yet). 'make validate' in the faq dir will validate the sgml. 'make distcheck' will create a tarball, attempt to build the html doc from the tarball. I haven't tried same-dir building, but it should work. Rob From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 23:23:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:23:00 -0000 Subject: SecurityPolicy missing References: Message-ID: Claude, You don't need a SecurityPolicy file. However, I will send you one shortly. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of claude > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:15 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: SecurityPolicy missing > > > My SecurityPolicy file is missing in action :) > Can someone show me the syntax for this file, maybe an example ? > Thanks, > Claude > > From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 23:26:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:26:00 -0000 Subject: sgml building package References: <007701c0e419$b1bddfa0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: Robert, Ah, great work. I'll give this a shot tomorrow. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Robert > Collins > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:21 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: sgml building package > > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0.tar.gz > > is a draft package that should pickup the appropriate tool (jade or > openjade) via configure and build the draft sgml based faq. > > If your docbook modular stylesheets aren't in > /usr/local/share/sgml/stylesheets/db164/html/docbook.dsl > you will need to edit faq/Makefile.am and correct the path there. > > It's an automake system, so all the usual targets exist. Of note: > 'make check' in the root will validate the sgml. > 'make' will generate html output (I haven't dug into tex based output on > cygwin yet). > 'make validate' in the faq dir will validate the sgml. > 'make distcheck' will create a tarball, attempt to build the html doc > from the tarball. > > I haven't tried same-dir building, but it should work. > > Rob > From george.wakileh@vol.at Wed May 23 23:27:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:27:00 -0000 Subject: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "then") Message-ID: <01C0E42B.56CAECC0@george.wakileh@vol.at> I got binmode, Harold. George -----Original Message----- From: Harold Hunt [SMTP:huntharo@msu.edu] Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2001 04:17 To: cygx Subject: RE: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "then") George, On a whim, have you got binmode or textmode mounts? Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Suhaib > Siddiqi > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:33 PM > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > Subject: RE: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end > of file unexpected (expecting "then") > > > > This one you should ask at cygwin mailing list, please. > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George J. Wakileh [ mailto:george.wakileh@vol.at ] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:43 PM > > To: 'cygwin-xfree' > > Subject: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of > > file unexpected (expecting "then") > > > > Hello, > > > > Trying to compile gtkmathview, I am getting > > > > checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file > > unexpected (expecting "then") > > > > I checked wctype.h in /usr/include/mingw, but can't find > anything missing. > > > > Any idea? > > > > Thanks. > > > > George From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 23 23:31:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:31:00 -0000 Subject: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "then") References: <01C0E42B.56CAECC0@george.wakileh@vol.at> Message-ID: George, > I got binmode, Harold. That's good. I guess I'm stumped. Proceed to the grand wizards :) Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 23:39:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:39:00 -0000 Subject: sgml building package References: Message-ID: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "Robert Collins" ; Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: RE: sgml building package > Robert, > > Ah, great work. I'll give this a shot tomorrow. Thanks. It just got better however... http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0a.tar.gz will use your system stylesheets... the path customisation should not be needed. If someone with a working docbook install on linux could test this package out... I'd be much obliged. > Harold > From ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro Wed May 23 23:44:00 2001 From: ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro (claude) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:44:00 -0000 Subject: SecurityPolicy missing References: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 May 2001, Harold Hunt wrote: > Claude, > > You don't need a SecurityPolicy file. However, I will send you one shortly. ^^^^^^^^^^ If I was starting the server without the -ac switch (ignore sec policies), a remote xterm could not connect to the server. Thnaks for sending me the file Harold. From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Wed May 23 23:56:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:56:00 -0000 Subject: sgml building package #2 References: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <00a601c0e41e$6733e560$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> AFAICT I can now generate the same visual output as Harold. This means that if Harold or another user with Linux handy can use the package successfully that one of my main concerns -cygwin based documentation generation- is satisfied. http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0b.tar.gz Rob From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 00:06:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:06:00 -0000 Subject: sgml building package #2 References: <00a601c0e41e$6733e560$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: > AFAICT I can now generate the same visual output as Harold. This means > that if Harold or another user with Linux handy can use the package > successfully that one of my main concerns -cygwin based documentation > generation- is satisfied. Very cool. At the rate you are going, by the time I'm able to test this tomorrow I fully expect that version 3.0, service pack 12 ought to be out :) Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 24 00:23:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:23:00 -0000 Subject: sgml building package #2 References: Message-ID: <00b201c0e422$2c74ffa0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" > > AFAICT I can now generate the same visual output as Harold. This means > > that if Harold or another user with Linux handy can use the package > > successfully that one of my main concerns -cygwin based documentation > > generation- is satisfied. > > Very cool. > > At the rate you are going, by the time I'm able to test this tomorrow I > fully expect that version 3.0, service pack 12 ought to be out :) I'm trying to see if I can confuse anyone :]. Speaking of which, make install now does useful things, and installs in /usr/local/share/cygxfree-doc/faq/ So users who want local doco copies can get it easily :]. Hmm. I wonder: does this qualify as release-early, release often ? Rob From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 00:35:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:35:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 Message-ID: I have posted a new draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html I have posted the SGML source to the draft at: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygx-faq-src.20010524-0325.tar.bz 2 (15 kB) [ Beware of the linewrap that may occur in the URL give above. ] Changes 1) Added a section on Licenses, Patents, Trademarks, and Copyrights with answers to 8 questions: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#AEN92 2) Notice the part in the above section about Open Motif, it is kind of interesting, and news to me :) 3) Fixed the answer to building a debug version of XFree86: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#AEN401 4) Created list of questions and answers that still need to be transferred from the old faq. Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold P.S. I'm finally going to bed now, it is 0334 here. From george.wakileh@vol.at Thu May 24 00:36:00 2001 From: george.wakileh@vol.at (George J. Wakileh) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:36:00 -0000 Subject: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "then") Message-ID: <01C0E434.F11BD7E0@george.wakileh@vol.at> Thanks very much, Harold. I will check -as Suhaib suggested- on the cygwin list. It's not anything urgent. Most importantly, I managed to compile so many utilities that I need to work with, and things are fine. Thanks for the excellent work you have done. George -----Original Message----- From: Harold Hunt [SMTP:huntharo@msu.edu] Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2001 08:31 To: George J. Wakileh; 'cygwin-xfree' Subject: RE: checking for wctype.h... ./configure: 4: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "then") George, > I got binmode, Harold. That's good. I guess I'm stumped. Proceed to the grand wizards :) Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 24 00:42:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:42:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 References: Message-ID: <00ba01c0e424$e86f7cb0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "cygx" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:35 PM Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 > Changes > 1) Added a section on Licenses, Patents, Trademarks, and Copyrights with > answers to 8 questions: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#AEN92 > 2) Notice the part in the above section about Open Motif, it is > kind of interesting, and news to me :) I'm not onto content yet... but I had a quick look to see the comment on Motif. It's wrong. The original FAQ is the definitive answer: === The rights granted under this license are limited solely to distribution and sublicensing of the Contribution(s) on, with, or for operating systems which are themselves Open Source programs. Contact The Open Group for a license allowing distribution and sublicensing of the Original Program on, with, or for operating systems which are not Open Source programs. === Windows NT/9x/ME 2000 are not open source programs. Thus there is no permission from the open group for Motif. Rob From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 24 01:05:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:05:00 -0000 Subject: The "correct" way to do an XFree86 debug build References: <20010523220436.J836@valinux.com> Message-ID: <20010524090641.B835@valinux.com> On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 02:00:16AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > Alan, > > > There's a wrapper for make in xc/util/ called makeg which will build the > > stuff with -g for you. Use that and shouldn't need to touch any files. > > Oh, ah, I think you meant xc/config/util/. > Yep. > I'm running it as follows from xc/: > config/util/makeg.sh World > > Does that look correct? > Looks o.k. to me. Alan. From alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk Thu May 24 01:54:00 2001 From: alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:54:00 -0000 Subject: The "correct" way to do an XFree86 debug build References: <20010523220436.J836@valinux.com> <20010524090641.B835@valinux.com> Message-ID: <20010524095532.A912@valinux.com> On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:06:41AM +0100, Alan Hourihane wrote: > > I'm running it as follows from xc/: > > config/util/makeg.sh World > > > > Does that look correct? > > > Looks o.k. to me. > You'll probably want it in your path too though. I usually copy it to /usr/bin and just to "makeg World" Alan. From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 24 02:49:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 02:49:00 -0000 Subject: sgml building package #3 - validation References: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <00a601c0e41e$6733e560$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <013501c0e436$b046a2c0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Anyone confused yet? Harold - this ones for you. I suggest that you use this, if only for validation at this point. To convert your tarball to this, extract this, then copy your current sgml files into the faq directory. rename the cygx-faq.sgml to cygwin-xfree-faq.sgml and your are done. *) make now validates the sgml before processing. This caught some syntax errors in the #2 tarball. *) make check now validates the html that has been generated. (This saves uploading to the w3 validator). This currently fails validation. As a side note... *) I've now started on the stylesheet for integrating to the website. (See http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01535.html ). http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0d.tar.gz Rob From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 03:35:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 03:35:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 2 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A82@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Just finished a build with Suhaib's cygwin.tmpl patch and > with the SharedLibXpm line removed. > > I get a libXpm.dll and libXpm.a, just as before any of the > modifications. That was the intention, correct? Yes. That is fine. Xmkmf should not give -lXpm problems. Suhaib > > I confirmed that the server works. > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 03:38:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 03:38:00 -0000 Subject: Dynamic linking.. or?? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A83@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:32 AM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: 'cygx' > Subject: Re: Dynamic linking.. or?? > > > / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > | > | I did not understand Andy, why after removing #define SharedLibXpm > | from cygwin.rules, xmkmf genrates Makfiles from Imakefile > with -lXpm > | after -lXaw. > > I assumed xmkmf read cygwin.rules, before X11.tmpl (I think > strace showed this), thus the define in cygwin.rules adds or > removes the macro for linking in -lXpm... Yes cygwin.rules is read before. Refer to Harold post. #define SharedLibXpm line can be removed. Suhaib > > /Andy > > p.s. You will probably be lucky now.. I am off four days on 'vacation' > without email *arrghgh*.. :-) > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 03:46:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 03:46:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A85@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Still a lot missing. Please read the existing FAQ carefully and see what are you missing. > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:35 AM > To: cygx > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 > > > I have posted a new draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > > I have posted the SGML source to the draft at: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygx-faq-src.200105 24-0325.tar.bz 2 (15 kB) [ Beware of the linewrap that may occur in the URL give above. ] Changes 1) Added a section on Licenses, Patents, Trademarks, and Copyrights with answers to 8 questions: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#AEN92 2) Notice the part in the above section about Open Motif, it is kind of interesting, and news to me :) 3) Fixed the answer to building a debug version of XFree86: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#AEN401 4) Created list of questions and answers that still need to be transferred from the old faq. Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold P.S. I'm finally going to bed now, it is 0334 here. From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 24 03:46:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 03:46:00 -0000 Subject: OOPS - Re: sgml building package #3 - validation References: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <00a601c0e41e$6733e560$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <013501c0e436$b046a2c0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <018601c0e43e$8c061cd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> hmmm... do you think it'd help to upload the tarball? done now... http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0e.tar.gz Note: This tarball has sgml code that creates html that validates without errors. -->Harold: you might like to diff this against your code. Where possible I've tried to keep your tags intact. Some of the errors are in docbook - and I've started to go about getting that fixed (

tags containing block entities), and a couple are where docbook's html generation is so far off it's not funny - and I've just move the tags a little and it's happy. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Collins" To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: sgml building package #3 - validation > Anyone confused yet? > > Harold - this ones for you. I suggest that you use this, if only for > validation at this point. To convert your tarball to this, extract this, > then copy your current sgml files into the faq directory. rename the > cygx-faq.sgml to cygwin-xfree-faq.sgml and your are done. > > *) make now validates the sgml before processing. This caught some > syntax errors in the #2 tarball. > *) make check now validates the html that has been generated. (This > saves uploading to the w3 validator). This currently fails validation. > > As a side note... > > *) I've now started on the stylesheet for integrating to the website. > (See http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01535.html ). > > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0d.tar.gz > > Rob > > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 03:47:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 03:47:00 -0000 Subject: ancient files in ftp Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A86@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:01 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi; 'cygx' > Subject: RE: ancient files in ftp > > > Suhaib, > > > Huh? How about your part was hw/xwin and User Guide stick > with it and > > stop shooting order that "this should be removed and that > should not > > be...' > > That is precisely the attitude that I thought I had sensed > earlier. I knew it was around there somewhere :) You are being either sarcastic or paranoid :-) Some sources are there For others to work. I do not think it is appropraite to tell to remove sources code on which you are not working. > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 04:02:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 04:02:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A87@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> A year ago I forwarded an email from Open Group to the list. The following section is Wrong as Rob pointed. 2.7. What license applies to Motif? Motif is a closed source product produced by The Open Group. However, The Open Group released Open Motif on 2000-05-15 under a public license, The Open Group Public License, that allows Open Motif to be distributed with and used on Open Source platforms. Cygwin/XFree86 may qualify as a platform that Open Motif can be distributed with and used on, but work has yet to begin on determining if that is the case. Furthermore, no work has been done, as of 2001-05-24, to build Open Motif with Cygwin/XFree86. Also according to my communication with Open Group, after OpenMOTIF, was released, Cygwin does not qualify. I was told by OpenGroup attempts to compile OpenMOTIf on Cygwin will require a commercial royalty based license. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:41 AM > To: Harold Hunt; cygx > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Hunt" > To: "cygx" > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:35 PM > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 > > > > Changes > > 1) Added a section on Licenses, Patents, Trademarks, and Copyrights > with > > answers to 8 questions: > > > http://www.msu.edu/ > ~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#AEN92 > > 2) Notice the part in the above section about Open Motif, > it is kind > > of interesting, and news to me :) > > I'm not onto content yet... but I had a quick look to see the > comment on Motif. > > It's wrong. The original FAQ is the definitive answer: > === > The rights granted under this license are limited solely to > distribution and sublicensing of the Contribution(s) on, > with, or for operating systems which are themselves Open > Source programs. Contact The Open Group for a license > allowing distribution and sublicensing of the Original > Program on, with, or for operating systems which are not Open > Source programs. === Windows NT/9x/ME 2000 are not open > source programs. Thus there is no permission from the open > group for Motif. > > Rob > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 04:03:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 04:03:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A88@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> >From the original FAQ Section 3 and questions and answer listed under Section 3 needs to added. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:41 AM > To: Harold Hunt; cygx > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Hunt" > To: "cygx" > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:35 PM > Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 > > > > Changes > > 1) Added a section on Licenses, Patents, Trademarks, and Copyrights > with > > answers to 8 questions: > > > http://www.msu.edu/ > ~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#AEN92 > > 2) Notice the part in the above section about Open Motif, > it is kind > > of interesting, and news to me :) > > I'm not onto content yet... but I had a quick look to see the > comment on Motif. > > It's wrong. The original FAQ is the definitive answer: > === > The rights granted under this license are limited solely to > distribution and sublicensing of the Contribution(s) on, > with, or for operating systems which are themselves Open > Source programs. Contact The Open Group for a license > allowing distribution and sublicensing of the Original > Program on, with, or for operating systems which are not Open > Source programs. === Windows NT/9x/ME 2000 are not open > source programs. Thus there is no permission from the open > group for Motif. > > Rob > From starksb@ebi.ac.uk Thu May 24 04:11:00 2001 From: starksb@ebi.ac.uk (David Starks-Browning) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 04:11:00 -0000 Subject: Observations on XFree86/Cygwin References: Message-ID: <1797-Thu24May2001121140+0100-starksb@ebi.ac.uk> On 23 May 01, Andrew Markebo writes: > | P.S. The point of this is to see if 127.0.0.1 is being redirected to another > | machine. Windows 95/98/Me don't come with a traceroute utility, but if you > | find one you could test on a Windows 95/98/Me machine as well :) > > Isn't "tracert" included in Win9x?? Traceroute in 8.3 format ;-) No, only NT. David From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 04:23:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 04:23:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 References: <00ba01c0e424$e86f7cb0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: Robert, > It's wrong. The original FAQ is the definitive answer: What original FAQ? In the FAQ I wrote, "Cygwin/XFree86 may qualify as a platform that Open Motif can be distributed with and used on, but work has yet to begin on determining if that is the case." >From the Open Motif FAQ: Q: How does The Open Group define the term "Operating System" Does this apply to the kernel or the complete distribution? A: The Open Group's intent is that this applies only to the kernel of the operating system, without regard to any bundled utilities or application software. This includes all known distributions of Linux and BSD distributions. To find out if an operating system qualifies check whether kernel sources are available under criteria meeting the OSI's Open Source Definition. I'm pretty sure that we'd actually have to contact The Open Group to check which side of "Open Source" we fall on, as Cygwin has a kernel that is clearly Open Source, whereas the Windows kernel is not Open Source. Which kernel are we to consider? The kernel that we depend upon, which would be Cygwin? Or, the kernel that we can sometimes interact with, which would be Widnows? Furthermore, one could make the case that Cygwin/XFree86 is a program that allows Wine users running on Linux to run X programs under Wine. In that case we would clearly be running with an Open Source kernel, so we would be able to distribute and use Open Motif with Cygwin/XFree86, right? I think my indefinite wording is probably the correct thing to say :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not sure, but you may have been implying that Open Motif is only the "contributions" to Motif, not the central Motif source itself. I'll go ahead and address that with another quote from the Open Motif FAQ: Q: What is Open Motif? How does it differ from standard Motif? A: Aside from some different copyright and license statements, both Motif and Open Motif share the same functionality and source code. The primary difference is the software license for each of the software products. Open Motif source code and binaries can be distributed royalty free under The Open Group Public License as long as the operating system upon which Open Motif is running meets the OSI's Open Source Definition. Motif is made available under the standard Open Group software licenses and requires the payment of source code and royalty fees. I'd say that clearly indicates that Open Motif and Motif are the same thing, even if you hadn't implied otherwise :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Furthermore, the general gist of the Open Motif FAQ, http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/faq.html , indicates that Open Motif is going to be available in the future under an true open source license after the lawyers get their money :) Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 04:28:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 04:28:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A89@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> A searcch in mail archives should give a copy of my correspondence with Open Group. It is a MOTIF license violation to compile OpenMOTIF on Cygwin. OpenGroup explained me, Cygwin is not an Operating System (Platform). The underlying operating system is Windows which is not an open source operating system, therefore to compile OpenMOTIF on Windows, regardless of which technology you use, you need rolaty based commercial license. I forwarded copy of the email to the list when OpenMOTIf was released, because several users were asking if we would provide binaries of OpenMOTIf with X11R6.x libraries. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:23 AM > To: Robert Collins; cygx > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 > > > Robert, > > > It's wrong. The original FAQ is the definitive answer: > > What original FAQ? > > In the FAQ I wrote, "Cygwin/XFree86 may qualify as a platform > that Open Motif can be distributed with and used on, but work > has yet to begin on determining if that is the case." > > From the Open Motif FAQ: > > Q: How does The Open Group define the term "Operating System" > Does this apply to the kernel or the complete distribution? > > A: The Open Group's intent is that this applies only to the > kernel of the operating system, without regard to any bundled > utilities or application software. This includes all known > distributions of Linux and BSD distributions. To find out if > an operating system qualifies check whether kernel sources > are available under criteria meeting the OSI's Open Source Definition. > > I'm pretty sure that we'd actually have to contact The Open > Group to check which side of "Open Source" we fall on, as > Cygwin has a kernel that is clearly Open Source, whereas the > Windows kernel is not Open Source. Which kernel are we to > consider? The kernel that we depend upon, which would be > Cygwin? Or, the kernel that we can sometimes interact with, > which would be Widnows? > > Furthermore, one could make the case that Cygwin/XFree86 is a > program that allows Wine users running on Linux to run X > programs under Wine. In that case we would clearly be > running with an Open Source kernel, so we would be able to > distribute and use Open Motif with Cygwin/XFree86, right? > > I think my indefinite wording is probably the correct thing to say :) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm not sure, but you may have been implying that Open Motif > is only the "contributions" to Motif, not the central Motif > source itself. I'll go ahead and address that with another > quote from the Open Motif FAQ: > > Q: What is Open Motif? How does it differ from standard Motif? > > A: Aside from some different copyright and license > statements, both Motif and Open Motif share the same > functionality and source code. The primary difference is the > software license for each of the software products. Open > Motif source code and binaries can be distributed royalty > free under The Open Group Public License as long as the > operating system upon which Open Motif is running meets the > OSI's Open Source Definition. Motif is made available under > the standard Open Group software licenses and requires the > payment of source code and royalty fees. > > I'd say that clearly indicates that Open Motif and Motif are > the same thing, even if you hadn't implied otherwise :) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Furthermore, the general gist of the Open Motif FAQ, > http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/faq.html , > indicates that > Open Motif is going to be available in the future under an > true open source license after the lawyers get their money :) > > Harold > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 24 04:30:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 04:30:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 References: Message-ID: <01b801c0e444$b0f9bdc0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "Robert Collins" ; "cygx" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 > Robert, > > > It's wrong. The original FAQ is the definitive answer: > > What original FAQ? > > In the FAQ I wrote, "Cygwin/XFree86 may qualify as a platform that Open > Motif can be distributed with and used on, but work has yet to begin on > determining if that is the case." Q 3.10. I realise it was a little brief though :]. Still, "Open Motif" is not open source. > I'm pretty sure that we'd actually have to contact The Open Group to check > which side of "Open Source" we fall on, as Cygwin has a kernel that is > clearly Open Source, whereas the Windows kernel is not Open Source. Which > kernel are we to consider? The kernel that we depend upon, which would be > Cygwin? Or, the kernel that we can sometimes interact with, which would be > Widnows? Which Suhaib has done in the past - see his email w.r.t. [Skip] I wasn't referring to the Opengroups spin doctoring on [Open] Motif, but thanks for giving me latitude there ;]. As far as being bush lawyers and making a case to the open group - thats not faq related. The simple case is, that a) Motif is not open source. (It doesn't meet the no-restriction requirement for the OSI thingwhatsit). b) Suhaib has been told directly that cygwin doesn't qualify. I'd be happy if this changes, but from a FAQ point of view, we want to answer questions... Rob From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Thu May 24 05:54:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 05:54:00 -0000 Subject: windows_host_ip_address:0.0 not a valid id on remote host References: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 May 2001, claude wrote: > Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide at Displaying Remote Clients says: > > 5. In your telnet session type, DISPLAY=windows_host_ip_address:0.0 > 6. In your telnet session type, export DISPLAY > > This doesn't work. On an OpenBSD 2.8, bash, it will say: > export: `192.168.1.8:0.0': not a valid identifier > > Any ideas on how to make this work ? Maybe doing DISPLAY="windows_host_ip_address:0.0" export DISPLAY or export DISPLAY="windows_host_ip_address:0.0" bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 24 05:59:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 05:59:00 -0000 Subject: sgml build system #4 References: <01b801c0e444$b0f9bdc0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <024d01c0e451$32190bc0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Good night all! That may sound off-topic, but I want no surprises if you're playing with my little sgml doc build package and I don't respond immediately :] http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0f.tar.gz contains a updated version of the buid package. Harold had the chance to find all my early cross-platform bugs. (Sorry Harold!). Anyway I've rectified those mistakes, and the package now builds OOTB on mandrake 8 (Harolds' machine) and my machine (although openjade doesn't :!.). I'm still interested in feedback - the more the merrier. Rob From Mike.mellor@tbe.com Thu May 24 07:23:00 2001 From: Mike.mellor@tbe.com (Mellor, Mike) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:23:00 -0000 Subject: FW: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: Third time's the charm! -----Original Message----- From: Mellor, Mike Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:46 AM To: 'cygwin-xfree@xfree86.cygwin.com' Subject: FW: Returned mail: User unknown I'm not sure why this didn't make it the first time, but here goes. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [ mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@nebula.tbe.com ] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:12 PM To: Mike.mellor@tbe.com Subject: Returned mail: User unknown The original message was received at Wed, 23 May 2001 20:11:53 -0500 (CDT) from pobox.tbe.com [140.165.252.52] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to xfree.cygwin.com.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) 550 ... User unknown I am new to CygWin/Linux, and I tried to install XFree86 on the latest CygWin build. I think that it is installed correctly, but it refuses to start. Here is the XWIN.EXE.stackdump that I get when I run XWin.exe. Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO at eip=004A66EC eax=00000000 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000010 edx=00000000 esi=00000010 edi=028FFA62 ebp=028FF6C8 esp=028FF980 program=C:\CYGWIN\USR\X11R6\BIN\XWIN.EXE cs=016F ds=0177 es=0177 fs=586F gs=0000 ss=0177 Stack trace: Frame Function Args 028FF6C8 004A66EC (00000000, 00000000, 00000000, 00000000) 028FF98C 004A66EC (028FFA62, 028FFA62, 028FFA62, 049822E8) 028FF9BC 0043DDA4 (028FFA62, 028FFA62, 028FFA62, 049822E8) 028FFA0C 0041D982 (04982690, 028FFA62, 028FFA62, 028FFA62) 028FFA6C 004A6E18 (04936FF0, 00000000, 028FFACC, 00437193) 028FFA8C 0043DDFA (04936FF0, 00000000, 00000000, 00000008) 028FFACC 0043719F (00000000, 04936FF0, 00000004, 04930560) 028FFB0C 00436F33 (00000000, 04936FF0, 00000004, 04930560) 028FFB6C 00402048 (00436EB0, 00000004, 04930560, 004369EF) 028FFB9C 00436A7A (007B972C, 00000004, 04930560, 0040168B) 028FFBDC 004016A0 (00000004, 04930560, 04930008, FFFFFFFE) 028FFD88 61003C02 (00000000, 00000000, 0000FFFF, 028FFF68) 028FFDB8 61003DDD (00401400, 00000000, 00000000, 00000000) 028FFDD8 61003E1C (00000000, 00000000, FFFFFFFF, 00000000) 028FFE08 007504B0 (00401400, 028FFC8C, BFFC1470, 028FFF68) 028FFE38 0040103B (00000000, 817572A8, 008F0000, 6E697758) End of stack trace (more stack frames may be present) Any ideas on how to get it running? My computer is a Compaq 4508, with an S3 Trio graphics card. Thanks. Mike From JDavid@lgc.com Thu May 24 07:35:00 2001 From: JDavid@lgc.com (Jerome David) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:35:00 -0000 Subject: xfree sources Message-ID: <038A897BC8D6064E928A60BA14CC0F5A82F587@lgchexch004.ad.lgc.com> Hi, I have built xfree with shared memory because I want to be able to install enlightenment. I got the sources of xfree from pub/sourceware/cygwin/xfree/xc-4-src/4.0.3. I am missing a lot of stuff I used to get with the precompiled binaries. Where can I get the sources for those stuff (like xterm for instance) ? J-D From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 07:38:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:38:00 -0000 Subject: xfree sources Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A8B@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Try Xfree86.org CVS for latest sources. A lot of fixes and changes were done recently. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerome David [ mailto:JDavid@lgc.com ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:35 AM > To: 'cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com' > Subject: xfree sources > > > Hi, > I have built xfree with shared memory because I want to be > able to install enlightenment. I got the sources of xfree > from pub/sourceware/cygwin/xfree/xc-4-src/4.0.3. > I am missing a lot of stuff I used to get with the > precompiled binaries. Where can I get the sources for those > stuff (like xterm for instance) ? > > J-D > From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 09:11:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:11:00 -0000 Subject: Returned mail: User unknown References: Message-ID: Mike, > Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO at eip=004A66EC It would be helpful if you could include the output of XWin prior to the STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO. However, this error is almost always the result of trying to run XWin on a Windows machine with the display configured to display 8 bits per pixel. Cygwin/XFree86 has no code to support 8 bits per pixel and it often crashes with this message when a user starts XWin in 8 bits per pixel mode. Thank you for your interest in the project, and please report if your problem is solved, Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 09:13:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:13:00 -0000 Subject: xfree sources References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A8B@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Jerome, > Try Xfree86.org CVS for latest sources. I second that. In the past we have told users to use our source snapshots because CVS doesn't always build correctly, but I have been building XFree86 CVS several times a day now for the past week or so and I will quickly fix any build bustage. Good luck, Harold From Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com Thu May 24 10:25:00 2001 From: Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com (Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:25:00 -0000 Subject: Connection reset by peer Message-ID: <85256A56.005FB5BB.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Hi Suhaib, I can see the X Window beginning to start and it immediately terminates with the message below. Thanks, Rich Do you see an X Window on your screen or not? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com [ mailto:Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com ] > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 1:01 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Connection reset by peer > > > > I installed xfree86 recently and received the following error when using > "startxwin.bat". > > XIO: fatal IO error 104 known > processed> with 0 events remaining. > > XIO: fatal IO error 104 on X server > "localhost:0.0" > after 0 requests <0 known processed> with 0 events remaining. > > > Something must be wrong with my configuration. Any clues? > > Thanks > > Rich Larrabee From rjleurck@yahoo.com Thu May 24 11:01:00 2001 From: rjleurck@yahoo.com (Robert Leurck) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:01:00 -0000 Subject: XWin.exe fails as does startxwin.bat Message-ID: <20010524180108.26070.qmail@web12205.mail.yahoo.com> $ ./XWin.exe -screen 0 640x480x8 _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 640 height 480 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00000000 00000000 00000000 RGB 0 d 8 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Calling miSetVisualTypesAndMasks winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning 0 [main] XWin 11980 open_stackdumpfile: Dumping stack trace to XWin.exe.st ackdump Arithmetic exception (core dumped) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO at eip=004A66EC eax=00000000 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000010 edx=00000000 esi=00000010 edi=027CFCEA ebp=027CFC14 esp=027CFC08 program=C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\XWin.exe cs=001B ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003B gs=0000 ss=0023 Stack trace: Frame Function Args 027CFC14 004A66EC (027CFCEA, 027CFCEA, 027CFCEA, 0A081E60) 027CFC44 0043DDA4 (027CFCEA, 027CFCEA, 027CFCEA, 0A081E60) 027CFC94 0041D982 (0A082208, 027CFCEA, 027CFCEA, 027CFCEA) 027CFCF4 004A6E18 (0A0179B0, 00000000, 027CFD54, 00437193) 027CFD14 0043DDFA (0A0179B0, 00000000, 00000000, 00000008) 027CFD54 0043719F (00000000, 0A0179B0, 0000000A, 0A011300) 027CFD94 00436F33 (00000000, 0A0179B0, 0000000A, 0A011300) 027CFDF4 00402048 (00436EB0, 0000000A, 0A011300, 004369EF) 027CFE24 00436A7A (007B972C, 0000000A, 0A011300, 0040168B) 027CFE64 004016A0 (0000000A, 0A011300, 0A010008, 00000000) 027CFF10 61003AEA (00000000, 77E83228, 00000139, 00000001) 027CFF40 61003CBD (00401400, 77E83228, 877ABC20, F7458C70) 027CFF60 61003CFC (00000000, 00000000, 877ABDB0, 00000005) 027CFF90 007504B0 (00401400, FFFFFFFF, 80430C77, 00000000) 027CFFC0 0040103B (77E83228, 00000001, 7FFDF000, 00000000) 027CFFF0 77E992A6 (00401000, 00000000, 000000C8, 00000100) End of stack trace (more stack frames may be present) From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 11:03:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:03:00 -0000 Subject: XWin.exe fails as does startxwin.bat Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A8D@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Change it 640x480x8 to 640x480x16 8 bits has problems. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Leurck [ mailto:rjleurck@yahoo.com ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:01 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Cc: rleurck@ifserv.com > Subject: XWin.exe fails as does startxwin.bat > > > $ ./XWin.exe -screen 0 640x480x8 > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be > set to root > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines > 0000000f winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw NonLocking > winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 640 > height 480 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00000000 > 00000000 00000000 RGB 0 d 8 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - > Calling miSetVisualTypesAndMasks winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () > - Returning > 0 [main] XWin 11980 open_stackdumpfile: Dumping > stack trace to XWin.exe.st > ackdump > Arithmetic exception (core dumped) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 11:22:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:22:00 -0000 Subject: XWin.exe fails as does startxwin.bat References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A8D@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > Change it 640x480x8 to 640x480x16 > 8 bits has problems. That won't actually fix the problem, as XWin has to use the bit depth that Windows is currently using. You have to change your Windows bit depth to something greater than 8 in order to fix the problem. Harold From cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Thu May 24 11:27:00 2001 From: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:27:00 -0000 Subject: How do I build something that requires X11? References: <00a301c0e470$844cce30$8605fc0a@danielsmonster> Message-ID: <20010524142717.E8694@redhat.com> We have a mailing list for X11 on Cygwin. I've redirected this thread there. On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 06:42:26PM +0200, Daniel Lidstr?m wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to build a program that requires x11. The compilation goes fine >but the linking errors on -lX11. What should I change this to? >/Daniel Lidstr????m > > >Daniel Lidstr????m >danli97@ite.mh.se >62 23' 25" N >17 15' 31" E > >-- >Want to unsubscribe from this list? >Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple -- cgf@cygnus.com Red Hat, Inc. http://sources.redhat.com/ http://www.redhat.com/ From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 24 11:55:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:55:00 -0000 Subject: sgml building package References: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010524145509.A9240@redhat.com> On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 04:38:01PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >It just got better however... > http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0a.tar.gz > >will use your system stylesheets... the path customisation should not be >needed. > >If someone with a working docbook install on linux could test this >package out... I'd be much obliged. So, do you guys need cvs access? cgf From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Thu May 24 12:13:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:13:00 -0000 Subject: Alpha-KDE 1.1.2 on Windows available Message-ID: <001e01c0e485$fc7f0520$04072bb7@BRAMSCHE> Hi all, I like to tell that an alpha release of kde 1.1.2 for Cygwin is available on http://sf.net/projects/kde-cygwin . Regards Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Thu May 24 12:17:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:17:00 -0000 Subject: _check_for_exceutable() not found Message-ID: <002001c0e486$69b00db0$04072bb7@BRAMSCHE> Hi, I was downloading recent update of cygwin tool and on some applications I've get a error message that the function _check_for_executable() was not found in cygwin1.dll. I'm using cygwin 1.1.8. Can anyone tell me, what going on with this ? Regards Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 12:33:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:33:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 Message-ID: I have posted a new draft of the DocBook-based FAQ to: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html The FAQ sources have been converted to xml and are available from: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygx-faq-xml.20010524-1524.tar.bz 2 (16 kB) [ Beware of the linewrap that may occur in the URL give above. ] Changes 1) Minimal content updates, if any at all 2) Converted FAQ SGML source to XML source. 3) Added end tags for 4) Added end tags 5) Fixed one instance of missing quotations around a tag attribute value 6) Discovered how to build DocBook XML I'm going to work on some content updates that I will, hopefully, release later today. Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 24 12:35:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:35:00 -0000 Subject: _check_for_exceutable() not found References: <002001c0e486$69b00db0$04072bb7@BRAMSCHE> Message-ID: <20010524153509.A9922@redhat.com> On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:19:11PM +0200, Ralf Habacker wrote: >Hi, I was downloading recent update of cygwin tool and on some applications >I've get a error message that the function _check_for_executable() was not >found in cygwin1.dll. > >I'm using cygwin 1.1.8. > >Can anyone tell me, what going on with this ? You don't have the most recent version of the Cygwin DLL. The new version is 1.3.2. cgf From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 12:37:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:37:00 -0000 Subject: _check_for_exceutable() not found References: <002001c0e486$69b00db0$04072bb7@BRAMSCHE> Message-ID: You need to download the latest cygwin1.dll, which is 1.3.2 Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Ralf Habacker > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:19 PM > To: Cygwin-Xfree; Cygwin > Subject: _check_for_exceutable() not found > > > Hi, I was downloading recent update of cygwin tool and on some > applications > I've get a error message that the function _check_for_executable() was not > found in cygwin1.dll. > > I'm using cygwin 1.1.8. > > Can anyone tell me, what going on with this ? > > Regards > > Ralf Habacker > EMail: Ralf@habacker.de > Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 13:16:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:16:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide 1 Message-ID: Oddly enough, I haven't been making announcements of updates to the User's Guide. This is the first such announcement, even though the User's Guide is several months old. The User's Guide sources have been converted to XML and are available from: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/ug/cygx-ug-xml.20010524-1552.tar.bz2 (13 kB) http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/ug/cygx-ug-png.20010524-1552.tar.bz2 (48 kB) [ Beware of the linewrap(s) that may occur in the URLs given above. ] Changes 1) Minimal content updates, if any at all 2) Converted User's Guide SGML source to XML source 3) Added end tags for 4) Fixed one broken tag attribute written as "URL" instead of "url" 5) Fixed one broken tag that was written as " The User's Guide sources are available from: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/ug/cygx-ug-xml.20010524-1629.tar.bz2 (13 kB) http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/ug/cygx-ug-png.20010524-1552.tar.bz2 (48 kB) [ Beware of the linewrap(s) that may occur in the URLs given above. ] Changes 1) Made all source files use UNIX end of line character Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 13:41:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:41:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 3 References: <01b801c0e444$b0f9bdc0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: How ironic... Slashdot is running an article about the Open Motif license today: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/05/24/1614216&mode=thread Harold From dcook@caveduck.com Thu May 24 15:36:00 2001 From: dcook@caveduck.com (Dave Cook) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:36:00 -0000 Subject: XWin.exe fails as does startxwin.bat References: Message-ID: <004a01c0e4a1$f4fcce10$6800a8c0@dbca950> > That won't actually fix the problem, as XWin has to use the bit depth that > Windows is currently using. You have to change your Windows bit depth to > something greater than 8 in order to fix the problem. Actually you can set a bit depth different than the Windows one if you use the -fullscreen option to Xwin. I've been doing this to play with 16bit vs 32bit depth without having to reset the Windows display properties. If you do not use -fullscreen, Xwin will use the current Windows display bit depth regardless of what you tell Xwin on its command line. If you manipulate the bit depth like this, be sure that your vidcard and monitor will work at the settings you choose. Regards, Dave Cook From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 24 15:36:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:36:00 -0000 Subject: sgml based FAQ authoring References: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010524145509.A9240@redhat.com> Message-ID: <03f801c0e4a1$d570a210$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Faylor" > > So, do you guys need cvs access? > > cgf Well we haven't asked for any sort of community consensus on moving to sgml based authoring for the FAQ. But I'm pretty convinced we'll end up with an easy to use system, given what our research to date has generated. So, if anyone has objections to our moving the FAQ to a SGML based authoring system please say so now!. I think moving to SGML/XML is a good thing. note: this isn't a request for "point 3.4 in the draft is wrong!" This is a request for "end users cannot use sgml" or "WIKI's are better" or other such __non-content__ answers. Once the authoring system is prepped and decided on, content will be on-topic. Chris: lets wait a day or so for any feedback, and then in the absence of issues - yes please. The package will likely contain all the SGML source we develop - so thing like the cygxfree-docs name I've got makes sense to me :]. Rob From Mike.mellor@tbe.com Thu May 24 15:49:00 2001 From: Mike.mellor@tbe.com (Mellor, Mike) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:49:00 -0000 Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: Harold - I did have the Win 95 resolution set to 8bpp, changing it to 16 allowed XWin to start up, but it isn't working correctly yet. All that shows up is a checkered screen. Here are the error messages that I get: _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root . . . error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from list! I do not have an xserver or CID directories. I also noticed that the /usr/X11R6 directory is actually labeled usr/X11r6. Thanks for the help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:11 PM To: Mellor, Mike; cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: RE: Returned mail: User unknown Mike, > Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO at eip=004A66EC It would be helpful if you could include the output of XWin prior to the STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO. However, this error is almost always the result of trying to run XWin on a Windows machine with the display configured to display 8 bits per pixel. Cygwin/XFree86 has no code to support 8 bits per pixel and it often crashes with this message when a user starts XWin in 8 bits per pixel mode. Thank you for your interest in the project, and please report if your problem is solved, Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 24 16:10:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:10:00 -0000 Subject: sgml based FAQ authoring References: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010524145509.A9240@redhat.com> <03f801c0e4a1$d570a210$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <049101c0e4a6$909b8830$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> By the way: SGML authoring, in my book, includes XML :] Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Collins" To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: sgml based FAQ authoring > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Faylor" > > > > So, do you guys need cvs access? > > > > cgf > > Well we haven't asked for any sort of community consensus on moving to > sgml based authoring for the FAQ. But I'm pretty convinced we'll end up > with an easy to use system, given what our research to date has > generated. > > So, if anyone has objections to our moving the FAQ to a SGML based > authoring system please say so now!. I think moving to SGML/XML is a > good thing. > note: > this isn't a request for "point 3.4 in the draft is wrong!" > This is a request for "end users cannot use sgml" or "WIKI's are better" > or other such __non-content__ answers. > > Once the authoring system is prepped and decided on, content will be > on-topic. > > > Chris: lets wait a day or so for any feedback, and then in the absence > of issues - yes please. > > The package will likely contain all the SGML source we develop - so > thing like the cygxfree-docs name I've got makes sense to me :]. > > Rob > > From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 24 16:15:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:15:00 -0000 Subject: sgml based FAQ authoring References: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010524145509.A9240@redhat.com> <03f801c0e4a1$d570a210$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010524191248.A11777@redhat.com> On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 08:35:27AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >Chris: lets wait a day or so for any feedback, and then in the absence >of issues - yes please. Ok. cgf From Pierre.Humblet@ieee.org Thu May 24 16:37:00 2001 From: Pierre.Humblet@ieee.org (Pierre A. Humblet) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:37:00 -0000 Subject: /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined reference to `XpmReadFileToPixmap' References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A5A@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010524193828.00817cc0@pop.ne.mediaone.net> At 07:38 PM 5/22/01 -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >Add the -lXpm to your linker please. >XpmReadFileToPixmap >^^^ points to what your linker is missing (a libXpm.a). The -lXpm must be >after -lXaw and before -lX11. I rely on XawClientLibs defined in cygwin.tmpl as #define XawClientLibs $(XAWLIB) $(XMULIBONLY) $(XTOOLLIB) $(XLIB) $(XPMLIB) Note that XPMLIB comes *after* XLIB, contrary to Suhaib's recommendation. The funny thing is that most other *.tmpl define #define XawClientLibs $(XAWLIB) $(XMULIBONLY) $(XTOOLLIB) $(XPMLIB) $(XLIB) It's not that I have a current problem, just curious about what's going on. Pierre From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 16:39:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:39:00 -0000 Subject: Returned mail: User unknown References: Message-ID: Mike, > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > . > . > . > error opening security policy file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing > from list! Have a look at the answers I gave for those questions on Monday: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01502.html Also, did you install any font archives? Good luck, and thank for your interest in our project, Harold P.S. Please report to the list if your problem is solved. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 16:46:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:46:00 -0000 Subject: sgml based FAQ authoring Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A8F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Rob Fine with me :-) Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:35 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: sgml based FAQ authoring > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Faylor" > > > > So, do you guys need cvs access? > > > > cgf > > Well we haven't asked for any sort of community consensus on moving to > sgml based authoring for the FAQ. But I'm pretty convinced we'll end up > with an easy to use system, given what our research to date has > generated. > > So, if anyone has objections to our moving the FAQ to a SGML based > authoring system please say so now!. I think moving to SGML/XML is a > good thing. > note: > this isn't a request for "point 3.4 in the draft is wrong!" > This is a request for "end users cannot use sgml" or "WIKI's are better" > or other such __non-content__ answers. > > Once the authoring system is prepped and decided on, content will be > on-topic. > > > Chris: lets wait a day or so for any feedback, and then in the absence > of issues - yes please. > > The package will likely contain all the SGML source we develop - so > thing like the cygxfree-docs name I've got makes sense to me :]. > > Rob From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 16:48:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:48:00 -0000 Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A90@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> You need to install CID fonts. SecurityPolicy etc are warnings, you can ignore them. How did you extract The tar.bz2 archives? Are you on a text or binary mounted cygwin-drive? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Mellor, Mike [ mailto:Mike.mellor@tbe.com ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:49 PM > To: Harold Hunt; cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: RE: Returned mail: User unknown > > Harold - > > I did have the Win 95 resolution set to 8bpp, changing it to 16 allowed > XWin > to start up, but it isn't working correctly yet. All that shows up is a > checkered screen. Here are the error messages that I get: > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > . > . > . > error opening security policy file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing > from list! > > > I do not have an xserver or CID directories. > > I also noticed that the /usr/X11R6 directory is actually labeled > usr/X11r6. > > Thanks for the help. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:11 PM > To: Mellor, Mike; cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: RE: Returned mail: User unknown > > > Mike, > > > Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO at eip=004A66EC > > It would be helpful if you could include the output of XWin prior to the > STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO. > > However, this error is almost always the result of trying to run XWin on a > Windows machine with the display configured to display 8 bits per pixel. > Cygwin/XFree86 has no code to support 8 bits per pixel and it often > crashes > with this message when a user starts XWin in 8 bits per pixel mode. > > Thank you for your interest in the project, and please report if your > problem is solved, > > Harold From choiks@nuri.net Thu May 24 17:18:00 2001 From: choiks@nuri.net (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?w9ax4rz2?=) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:18:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree can't display 2 Byte character Message-ID: I can't display 2 Byte character in xfree cygwin 4.0.3. console message is wmaker warning: could not load font -*-kodig-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*. Trying fixed. i use Xfree with windowmaker. i think xfree doed not support for CJK 2byte charater, really? i want to compile xfree support CJK 2byte charater, otherwise i can't setting for CJK character. please help me!! From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 17:19:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:19:00 -0000 Subject: XWin.exe fails as does startxwin.bat References: <004a01c0e4a1$f4fcce10$6800a8c0@dbca950> Message-ID: Dave, > Actually you can set a bit depth different than the Windows one > if you use the -fullscreen You are correct, in two out of three cases :) However, I typically neglect to tell people to use -fullscreen as part of troubleshooting because they may explicitly be using the GDI blitter (-engine 1), or XWin may be falling back on the GDI blitter, in which case the bit depth is not changed when using -fullscreen. Rather than deal with these exception cases I try to tell them just enough to get them a working server, after that, they can do as they choose :) Thanks for answering questions on the list, it does ease our load, Harold From ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com Thu May 24 17:24:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:24:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C37C8@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Are we going to include the missing points from present FAQ ( am giving below a few important examples)? Or is it something Rob will do? Are there static versions of the X libraries? NO.???? 3.13 Will there be Xaw.DLL, Xt.DLL and Xmu.DLL? There are no plans for them at this pont. GCC is free software, and most stuff written for it is also freely available. Recompile Xaw, Xt and Xmu if you want. However, keep the following in mind: "One of the biggest issues with X on Win32 is the moronic DLL format. Specifically - it is not possible to export data from a Win32 DLL in a form that can be used to statically initialize another global variable. Data access from a DLL requires at least one pointer????indirection, and hence executable code. This is why X11R6 doesn't have DLLs for Xt/Xmu/Xaw (and Motif) on Win32", quoted from XFree86-developers Mailing List - David E. Wexelblat (dwex@datafocus.com) Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:08:27 -0500. NB: See the mailing list page and the cygwin mailing list for discussions on libtool, which is facing the same issue and may generate a successful workaround. If that is done then you should have a relatively easy time porting Xt/Xmu/Xaw.???? Will the DLLs link with Watcom, Borland, MSVC, and VAC++? The patched source code for Cygwin/GCC compilers is available via cvs. You will need to consult Mumit Khan's URL at http://www.xraylith.wisc.edu/~khan/software/gnu-win32 and edit cygwin.cf and cygwin.rules in xc/cf directory as needed and compile them yourself. 3.17 Are there special porting considerations? Below are few basic rules I follow and are derived from XFree86 source code: Use the Imakefile and do not try to handcraft or patch a Makefile. Things will go wrong! Read about the macros ProgramTargetName() and LibraryTargetName() and use them in the Imakefile, rather than hacking .exe and .lib names. The above will work, hacking won't. Use #ifdef cygwinArchitecture in an Imakefile to specify an CYGWIN dependent part. In source or header files, exclusively use #ifdef __CYGWIN__ for CYGWIN specific parts. Don't use other symbols, such as "WIN32", "__WIN32__", "i386", "__GNUC__", or "__32BIT__". Use only #ifdef, #else, #endif, not #elif, as some other compilers don't support this. If you think there is a bug in the provided X11 include files, you are doing something wrong. Many Imakefiles silently assume they are running under Unix, and therefore have program and library names hardcoded in. Use the LibraryTargetName and ProgramTargetName macros to wrap libs and programs, such as in EXTRA_LIBRARIES = ../Xpmlib/LibraryTargetName(Xpm) PROGRAMS = ProgramTargetName(xterm) ProgramTargetName(resize) Don't reinvent the wheel concerning environment variables. Use the ones that are described in the installation file README, rather than invent yet another variable name for USERs, HOME directories, TMP> directories, etc. Try to make your filenames comply with the 8.3 file name convention, so that users may relocate them to elsewhere. The libraries are DLLs for certain reasons. Much software from Unix assumes that lines have '\n' as a line delimiter. Don't change this, some code relies on this. Rather rewrite the code to accept \r\n as a line delimiter. Code that relies on Unix security, job control, tty/pty handling, does not need major rewriting because Cygwin1.dll offers this functionality. If you want to contribute other software, please follow these guidelines for making your distribution zip file: Use Cygwin tar and gzip or bzip2 for packing, even if some foobar packer gives you 1 % better compression. Don't use Windows Winzip or other non-cygwin aware tools. If you use an Imakefile (which is common practice with X apps), set the X11ROOT variable to another letter than the one where you have your X11 tree. This makes it easier for you to combine all necessary files into a distribution. Use exactly the same tree structure as Cygwin/XFree86 is using don't reinvent wheels and install to /usr/X11R6/bin or similar. The last section means that the directories in your archive should be rooted to /usr/X11R6. Put sources in a separate archive, not in the binary release, and root this archive at /usr/X11R6/src/PACKAGENAME, e.g. /usr/X11R6/src/xfoo-0.99. The reason for all that is that there are plans for a Software Installer in the future to improve the installation procedure. This should integrate all contribution packages as well. Non-conforming contributions will be rejected without warning. 3.23 I compiled an X/MOTIF client foo.exe. My foo.exe executes but I cannot use keyboard and my console dumps Xt Warnings: Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown event type : BtnMotion Warning: ... found while parsing ' : ManagerGadgetButtonM???? ???? What is wrong? You need to set XKeysymDB and XErrorDB Environment. XKeysymDB and XErrorDB files usually resides in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 directory. For example: SET XKeysymDB=C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XKeysymDB SET XErrorDB =C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XErrorDB 3.24 Can I use DLLs and libraries with MSVC (Microsoft Visual C++) to compile my source code? No! You cannot use Cygwin/XFree86 libraries with MSVC. You need latest version of Cygwin and GCC which comes with Cygwin. However, you can check out http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 for MSVC. From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 17:44:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:44:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C37C8@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Suhaib, > Are we going to include the missing points from present FAQ ( am giving > below a few important examples)? Or is it something Rob will do? I'm still not done with the content. So, in short, yes, we will be including missing points from the original FAQ. Remember, I'm a full time college student, I have homework and stuff... working on new features is fun (XML, new questions and answers, etc.) while duplicating old features (old questions and answers) takes time :) Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 24 17:47:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:47:00 -0000 Subject: /usr/lib/libXaw.a(Pixmap.o)(.text+0x1d4b):Pixmap.c: undefined Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A93@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Pierre the link order problem for XawClientLibs was fixed in the patch I posted yesterday. What was going on. it needed #define SharedLibXpm HasSharedLibs which is in X11.tmpl I had originally in cygwin.rules #define SharedLibXpm YES which was over riding X1.tmpl #define. Andy reported if you remove #define SharedLibXpm YES from cygwin.rules xmkmf works ok. After removing SharedibXpm YES from cygwin.rules Harold tested XFree86 compilation and libXpm Still compiles as a dll because it is defined in X11.tmpl as a shared library. Suhaib ---------------------------------------------------------------- At 07:38 PM 5/22/01 -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >Add the -lXpm to your linker please. >XpmReadFileToPixmap >^^^ points to what your linker is missing (a libXpm.a). The -lXpm must be >after -lXaw and before -lX11. I rely on XawClientLibs defined in cygwin.tmpl as #define XawClientLibs $(XAWLIB) $(XMULIBONLY) $(XTOOLLIB) $(XLIB) $(XPMLIB) Note that XPMLIB comes *after* XLIB, contrary to Suhaib's recommendation. The funny thing is that most other *.tmpl define #define XawClientLibs $(XAWLIB) $(XMULIBONLY) $(XTOOLLIB) $(XPMLIB) $(XLIB) It's not that I have a current problem, just curious about what's going on. Pierre From ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com Thu May 24 17:50:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com (Suhaib M. Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:50:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C24D927C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C37CB@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:44 PM > To: Suhaib M. Siddiqi > Cc: cygx > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 > > Suhaib, > > > Are we going to include the missing points from present FAQ ( am giving > > below a few important examples)? Or is it something Rob will do? > > I'm still not done with the content. So, in short, yes, we will be > including missing points from the original FAQ. I was asking after I read draft 3. > > Remember, I'm a full time college student, I have homework and stuff... > working on new features is fun (XML, new questions and answers, etc.) > while > duplicating old features (old questions and answers) takes time :) > Well I am a full time employee too and have 5 people who eat my brain whole day ;-) Suhaib > Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 24 17:56:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:56:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 Message-ID: Yes. All current content will be included in any new FAQ. I'm still not done with the authoring system - its look-and-feel - must integrate into current website. (None of this ugly blacknwhite faq stuff). At this point in time, I'm not worried about actual content. I'm only worried about generating output that will be acceptable. I'd like everyone to forget about the draft FAQ content for now. 1 Step at a time. Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:24 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 > > > Are we going to include the missing points from present FAQ > ( am giving > below a few important examples)? Or is it something Rob will do? > > > > > Are there static versions of the X libraries? > NO.???? > 3.13 > Will there be Xaw.DLL, Xt.DLL and Xmu.DLL? > > There are no plans for them at this pont. GCC is free > software, and most > stuff written for it is also freely available. Recompile Xaw, > Xt and Xmu > if you want. However, keep the following in mind: > "One of the biggest issues with X on Win32 is the moronic DLL format. > Specifically - it is not possible to export data from a Win32 DLL in a > form that can be used to statically initialize another global > variable. > Data access from a DLL requires at least one pointer????indirection, and > hence executable code. This is why X11R6 doesn't have DLLs for > Xt/Xmu/Xaw (and Motif) on Win32", quoted from > XFree86-developers Mailing > List - David E. Wexelblat (dwex@datafocus.com) Wed, 25 Mar > 1998 10:08:27 > -0500. > NB: See the mailing list page and the cygwin mailing list for > discussions on libtool, which is facing the same issue and > may generate > a successful workaround. If that is done then you should have a > relatively easy time porting Xt/Xmu/Xaw.???? > > Will the DLLs link with Watcom, Borland, MSVC, and VAC++? > > The patched source code for Cygwin/GCC compilers is available via cvs. > You will need to consult Mumit Khan's URL at > http://www.xraylith.wisc.edu/~khan/software/gnu-win32 and > edit cygwin.cf > and cygwin.rules in xc/cf directory as needed and compile > them yourself. > > 3.17 > Are there special porting considerations? > > Below are few basic rules I follow and are derived from XFree86 source > code: > > Use the Imakefile and do not try to handcraft or patch a Makefile. > Things will go wrong! > Read about the macros ProgramTargetName() and LibraryTargetName() and > use them in the Imakefile, rather than hacking .exe and .lib > names. The > above will work, hacking won't. > Use #ifdef cygwinArchitecture in an Imakefile to specify an CYGWIN > dependent part. > In source or header files, exclusively use #ifdef __CYGWIN__ > for CYGWIN > specific parts. Don't use other symbols, such as "WIN32", "__WIN32__", > "i386", "__GNUC__", or "__32BIT__". Use only #ifdef, #else, > #endif, not > #elif, as some other compilers don't support this. > If you think there is a bug in the provided X11 include files, you are > doing something wrong. > Many Imakefiles silently assume they are running under Unix, and > therefore have program and library names hardcoded in. Use the > LibraryTargetName and ProgramTargetName macros to wrap libs and > programs, such as in > > EXTRA_LIBRARIES = ../Xpmlib/LibraryTargetName(Xpm) > PROGRAMS = ProgramTargetName(xterm) ProgramTargetName(resize) > > Don't reinvent the wheel concerning environment variables. > Use the ones > that are described in the installation file README, rather than invent > yet another variable name for USERs, HOME directories, TMP> > directories, > etc. > Try to make your filenames comply with the 8.3 file name > convention, so > that users may relocate them to elsewhere. > The libraries are DLLs for certain reasons. > Much software from Unix assumes that lines have '\n' as a line > delimiter. Don't change this, some code relies on this. Rather rewrite > the code to accept \r\n as a line delimiter. > Code that relies on Unix security, job control, tty/pty handling, does > not need major rewriting because Cygwin1.dll offers this > functionality. > > If you want to contribute other software, please follow these > guidelines > for making your distribution zip file: > Use Cygwin tar and gzip or bzip2 for packing, even if some > foobar packer > gives you 1 % better compression. Don't use Windows Winzip or other > non-cygwin aware tools. > If you use an Imakefile (which is common practice with X > apps), set the > X11ROOT variable to another letter than the one where you > have your X11 > tree. This makes it easier for you to combine all necessary > files into a > distribution. > Use exactly the same tree structure as Cygwin/XFree86 is using don't > reinvent wheels and install to /usr/X11R6/bin or similar. > The last section means that the directories in your archive should be > rooted to /usr/X11R6. > Put sources in a separate archive, not in the binary release, and root > this archive at /usr/X11R6/src/PACKAGENAME, e.g. > /usr/X11R6/src/xfoo-0.99. > The reason for all that is that there are plans for a > Software Installer > in the future to improve the installation procedure. This should > integrate all contribution packages as well. Non-conforming > contributions will be rejected without warning. > > 3.23 > > > I compiled an X/MOTIF client foo.exe. My foo.exe executes > but I cannot > use keyboard and my console dumps Xt Warnings: > > Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown event type : > BtnMotion > Warning: ... found while parsing ' : ManagerGadgetButtonM... > ... > > What is wrong? > > You need to set XKeysymDB and XErrorDB Environment. XKeysymDB and > XErrorDB files usually resides in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 directory. > > For example: > > SET XKeysymDB=C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XKeysymDB > SET XErrorDB =C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XErrorDB > 3.24 Can I use DLLs and libraries with MSVC (Microsoft Visual C++) to > compile my source code? > > No! You cannot use Cygwin/XFree86 libraries with MSVC. You > need latest > version of Cygwin and GCC which comes with Cygwin. However, you can > check out http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 for MSVC. > > > > > From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 24 18:02:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:02:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: Message-ID: <20010524210256.C12725@redhat.com> On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 10:47:45AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >Yes. All current content will be included in any new FAQ. > >I'm still not done with the authoring system - its look-and-feel - must >integrate into current website. (None of this ugly blacknwhite faq >stuff). > >At this point in time, I'm not worried about actual content. I'm only >worried about generating output that will be acceptable. > >I'd like everyone to forget about the draft FAQ content for now. 1 Step >at a time. But what about the draft FAQ content? What's going to be in it? What's it going to say???? cgf From ewu@eskimo.com Thu May 24 18:53:00 2001 From: ewu@eskimo.com (Enoch Wu) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:53:00 -0000 Subject: Xfree can't display 2 Byte character References: Message-ID: <20010524190950.A4142045@MELON> On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 09:15:21AM +0900, ???????????????????????? wrote: > I can't display 2 Byte character in xfree cygwin 4.0.3. > > > i think xfree doed not support for CJK 2byte charater, really? > > Try looking into special Linux distro. They have support for CJK fonts. If you are located in your own country, it should be even easier to buy the CDROM and save having to download 50MB. TurboLinux has full Chinese support - I don't know if they have the other two, J & K. EW From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 24 19:03:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:03:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <20010524210256.C12725@redhat.com> Message-ID: > But what about the draft FAQ content? What's going to be in it? What's > it going to say???? Now, are you trying to start a flamewar here? :) Harold From reneky@stud.ntnu.no Thu May 24 19:38:00 2001 From: reneky@stud.ntnu.no (Rene Kyllingstad) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:38:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <20010524210256.C12725@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 May 2001, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 10:47:45AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >Yes. All current content will be included in any new FAQ. > > > >I'm still not done with the authoring system - its look-and-feel - must > >integrate into current website. (None of this ugly blacknwhite faq > >stuff). > > > >At this point in time, I'm not worried about actual content. I'm only > >worried about generating output that will be acceptable. > > > >I'd like everyone to forget about the draft FAQ content for now. 1 Step > >at a time. > > But what about the draft FAQ content? What's going to be in it? What's > it going to say???? LOL. Ahh, that was needed after all these touchy feely postings :-) As a user my main worry is about getting xfree up and running as fast as possible - and the faq is the first stop when problems arrive. I'm grateful for the effort you all make in getting it up to date (and easier to keep up to date). It seems clear to me - after reading these posts - that no valid content will be lost when moving to a new source format for the FAQ. Now *THAT* is a shocker if I ever saw one! ;-D Keep up the good work, even multi-tasking on content AND formatting if you're inclined :), -- Ren????, a happy cygwin user for years, and now also xfree - life is good! From Mike.mellor@tbe.com Thu May 24 19:51:00 2001 From: Mike.mellor@tbe.com (Mellor, Mike) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:51:00 -0000 Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: Harold - I had fonts installed, but not CID fonts. I went back and bunzip2'ed everything again (all the files listed in the user's guide plus CID-fonts) and then tar -xf'ed them as well. I created an xserver directory and copied SecurityPolicy to it, so now I no longer get error messages. I went in and edited the startxwin.bat file, adjusting it for screen resolution and depth. xfree now starts, and launches the files listed in startxwin.bat. I have ZoneAlarm loaded, and it requested internet access twice for each application launched by startxwin.bat (rxvt, xterm, twm).. Also, these applications show up along the Windows task bar as windows applications - is this correct behavior? Looks good so far - KDE is next! Mike Mike, > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > . > . > . > error opening security policy file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing > from list! Have a look at the answers I gave for those questions on Monday: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01502.html Also, did you install any font archives? Good luck, and thank for your interest in our project, Harold P.S. Please report to the list if your problem is solved. From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 24 19:58:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:58:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] > >I'd like everyone to forget about the draft FAQ content for > now. 1 Step > >at a time. > > But what about the draft FAQ content? What's going to be in > it? What's > it going to say???? Grin! That sounds.... oh so familiar :] Rob From ewu@eskimo.com Thu May 24 20:33:00 2001 From: ewu@eskimo.com (Enoch Wu) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:33:00 -0000 Subject: Returned mail: User unknown References: Message-ID: <20010524204954.A3973661@MELON> Hi, On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:51:39PM -0500, Mellor, Mike wrote: > Harold - > > ZoneAlarm loaded, and it requested internet access twice for each > application launched by startxwin.bat (rxvt, xterm, twm).. Also, these > applications show up along the Windows task bar as windows applications - is > this correct behavior? > > Looks good so far - KDE is next! > > Mike We wish someone looking at the subject line could get a clue that this is about undelivered mail. :) EW From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 24 22:00:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:00:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:44 AM > To: Suhaib M. Siddiqi > Cc: cygx > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 > > > Suhaib, > > > Are we going to include the missing points from present FAQ > ( am giving > > below a few important examples)? Or is it something Rob will do? > > I'm still not done with the content. So, in short, yes, we will be > including missing points from the original FAQ. > > Remember, I'm a full time college student, I have homework > and stuff... > working on new features is fun (XML, new questions and > answers, etc.) while > duplicating old features (old questions and answers) takes time :) Likewise Harold, we are all full-time something or other. Full time for me is always in excess of 40 hours a week :]. And the time I do get to spend on cygwin is all too often on the non-fun stuff. Bugfixing pthreads for example :[. However, there is no rush on this project. The current FAQ answers the questions today, and we can (and will) take the time to do the new one "right". Rob > > Harold > > From cporterbassett@home.com Thu May 24 22:26:00 2001 From: cporterbassett@home.com (C. Porter Bassett) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:26:00 -0000 Subject: remote display through gateway Message-ID: <01c801c0e4da$c9b96db0$0a00a8c0@PWORK> I am sitting on a little network that connects to the internet through a win98SE box on a cable modem. Is there anything that I can do to display remote clients that are outside of my network from within? I can get cygwin/xfree to display the Unix boxes that are here inside my network, but I have no idea how to do it with ones outside. From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 24 23:25:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:25:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: Message-ID: <20010525022557.A22622@redhat.com> On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:51:01PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:44 AM >> To: Suhaib M. Siddiqi >> Cc: cygx >> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 >> >> >> Suhaib, >> >> > Are we going to include the missing points from present FAQ >> ( am giving >> > below a few important examples)? Or is it something Rob will do? >> >> I'm still not done with the content. So, in short, yes, we will be >> including missing points from the original FAQ. >> >> Remember, I'm a full time college student, I have homework >> and stuff... >> working on new features is fun (XML, new questions and >> answers, etc.) while >> duplicating old features (old questions and answers) takes time :) > >Likewise Harold, we are all full-time something or other. Full time for >me is always in excess of 40 hours a week :]. And the time I do get to >spend on cygwin is all too often on the non-fun stuff. Bugfixing >pthreads for example :[. Hey remember that what is not fun for you is fun for others to watch! I love watching pthreads bugs being fixed. I love watching documentation take shape. I love watching Suhaib pull this project together. Luckily for me, I have a nice 20 hour workday so I don't have any real time constraints. I can watch for long periods of time... cgf From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Fri May 25 01:06:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:06:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <20010525022557.A22622@redhat.com> Message-ID: <051b01c0e4f1$5dc42200$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Faylor" To: "cygx" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 > On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 02:51:01PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >Likewise Harold, we are all full-time something or other. Full time for > >me is always in excess of 40 hours a week :]. And the time I do get to > >spend on cygwin is all too often on the non-fun stuff. Bugfixing > >pthreads for example :[. > > Hey remember that what is not fun for you is fun for others to watch! I > love watching pthreads bugs being fixed. Hmmm. > I love watching documentation take shape. Hmmm. Hmmm. > I love watching Suhaib pull this project together. > > Luckily for me, I have a nice 20 hour workday so I don't have any real > time constraints. I can watch for long periods of time... I truely understand :]. > cgf > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Fri May 25 01:53:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:53:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <20010524210256.C12725@redhat.com> Message-ID: <059301c0e4f7$f9e3ba00$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Faylor" > > But what about the draft FAQ content? What's going to be in it? What's > it going to say???? > > cgf > Well it hasn't been a day or so... but Suhaib has given his blessing, and Harold and I are rapidly hitting the point where emailing tarballs back and forth is silly. Chris, a CVS module please. Rob From jon.ewing@mediasurface.com Fri May 25 01:53:00 2001 From: jon.ewing@mediasurface.com (jon ewing) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:53:00 -0000 Subject: Alpha-KDE 1.1.2 on Windows available Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010525094820.058bc890@rothko.research.mediasurface.com> Is it just me, or can anyone else not get to this URL? Thanks, Jon (who's excited about getting KDE running, and who spent most of yesterday compiling up modules for the WindowMaker dock - thanks loads Don ;-). From: "Ralf Habacker" To: "Cygwin-Xfree" Subject: Alpha-KDE 1.1.2 on Windows available Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:16:08 +0200 Message-ID: < 001e01c0e485$fc7f0520$04072bb7@BRAMSCHE > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I like to tell that an alpha release of kde 1.1.2 for Cygwin is available on http://sf.net/projects/kde-cygwin . Regards Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com From ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com Fri May 25 03:36:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 03:36:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C24D929C@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C23C37CC@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:48 PM > To: Suhaib M. Siddiqi; cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 > > > Yes. All current content will be included in any new FAQ. > > I'm still not done with the authoring system - its > look-and-feel - must integrate into current website. (None of > this ugly blacknwhite faq stuff). > > At this point in time, I'm not worried about actual content. > I'm only worried about generating output that will be acceptable. > > I'd like everyone to forget about the draft FAQ content for > now. 1 Step at a time. > OK. I forgot about it :-) Suhaib > Rob > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Suhaib M. Siddiqi [ mailto:ssiddiqi@nc.rr.com ] > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:24 AM > > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 > > > > > > Are we going to include the missing points from present FAQ > > ( am giving > > below a few important examples)? Or is it something Rob will do? > > > > > > > > > > Are there static versions of the X libraries? > > NO. > > 3.13 > > Will there be Xaw.DLL, Xt.DLL and Xmu.DLL? > > > > There are no plans for them at this pont. GCC is free > > software, and most > > stuff written for it is also freely available. Recompile Xaw, > > Xt and Xmu > > if you want. However, keep the following in mind: > > "One of the biggest issues with X on Win32 is the moronic > DLL format. > > Specifically - it is not possible to export data from a > Win32 DLL in a > > form that can be used to statically initialize another global > > variable. > > Data access from a DLL requires at least one pointer???? > indirection, and > > hence executable code. This is why X11R6 doesn't have DLLs for > > Xt/Xmu/Xaw (and Motif) on Win32", quoted from > > XFree86-developers Mailing > > List - David E. Wexelblat (dwex@datafocus.com) Wed, 25 Mar > > 1998 10:08:27 > > -0500. > > NB: See the mailing list page and the cygwin mailing list for > > discussions on libtool, which is facing the same issue and > > may generate > > a successful workaround. If that is done then you should have a > > relatively easy time porting Xt/Xmu/Xaw.???? > > > > Will the DLLs link with Watcom, Borland, MSVC, and VAC++? > > > > The patched source code for Cygwin/GCC compilers is > available via cvs. > > You will need to consult Mumit Khan's URL at > > http://www.xraylith.wisc.edu/~khan/software/gnu-win32 and edit > > cygwin.cf and cygwin.rules in xc/cf directory as needed and compile > > them yourself. > > > > 3.17 > > Are there special porting considerations? > > > > Below are few basic rules I follow and are derived from > XFree86 source > > code: > > > > Use the Imakefile and do not try to handcraft or patch a Makefile. > > Things will go wrong! > > Read about the macros ProgramTargetName() and > LibraryTargetName() and > > use them in the Imakefile, rather than hacking .exe and .lib > > names. The > > above will work, hacking won't. > > Use #ifdef cygwinArchitecture in an Imakefile to specify an CYGWIN > > dependent part. > > In source or header files, exclusively use #ifdef __CYGWIN__ > > for CYGWIN > > specific parts. Don't use other symbols, such as "WIN32", > "__WIN32__", > > "i386", "__GNUC__", or "__32BIT__". Use only #ifdef, #else, > > #endif, not > > #elif, as some other compilers don't support this. > > If you think there is a bug in the provided X11 include > files, you are > > doing something wrong. > > Many Imakefiles silently assume they are running under Unix, and > > therefore have program and library names hardcoded in. Use the > > LibraryTargetName and ProgramTargetName macros to wrap libs and > > programs, such as in > > > > EXTRA_LIBRARIES = ../Xpmlib/LibraryTargetName(Xpm) > > PROGRAMS = ProgramTargetName(xterm) ProgramTargetName(resize) > > > > Don't reinvent the wheel concerning environment variables. > > Use the ones > > that are described in the installation file README, rather > than invent > > yet another variable name for USERs, HOME directories, TMP> > > directories, > > etc. > > Try to make your filenames comply with the 8.3 file name > > convention, so > > that users may relocate them to elsewhere. > > The libraries are DLLs for certain reasons. > > Much software from Unix assumes that lines have '\n' as a line > > delimiter. Don't change this, some code relies on this. > Rather rewrite > > the code to accept \r\n as a line delimiter. > > Code that relies on Unix security, job control, tty/pty > handling, does > > not need major rewriting because Cygwin1.dll offers this > > functionality. > > > > If you want to contribute other software, please follow these > > guidelines > > for making your distribution zip file: > > Use Cygwin tar and gzip or bzip2 for packing, even if some > > foobar packer > > gives you 1 % better compression. Don't use Windows Winzip or other > > non-cygwin aware tools. > > If you use an Imakefile (which is common practice with X > > apps), set the > > X11ROOT variable to another letter than the one where you > > have your X11 > > tree. This makes it easier for you to combine all necessary > > files into a > > distribution. > > Use exactly the same tree structure as Cygwin/XFree86 is using don't > > reinvent wheels and install to /usr/X11R6/bin or similar. > > The last section means that the directories in your archive > should be > > rooted to /usr/X11R6. > > Put sources in a separate archive, not in the binary > release, and root > > this archive at /usr/X11R6/src/PACKAGENAME, e.g. > > /usr/X11R6/src/xfoo-0.99. > > The reason for all that is that there are plans for a > > Software Installer > > in the future to improve the installation procedure. This should > > integrate all contribution packages as well. Non-conforming > > contributions will be rejected without warning. > > > > 3.23 > > > > > > I compiled an X/MOTIF client foo.exe. My foo.exe executes > > but I cannot > > use keyboard and my console dumps Xt Warnings: > > > > Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown event type : > > BtnMotion > > Warning: ... found while parsing ' : > ManagerGadgetButtonM... > > ... > > > > What is wrong? > > > > You need to set XKeysymDB and XErrorDB Environment. XKeysymDB and > > XErrorDB files usually resides in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 directory. > > > > For example: > > > > SET XKeysymDB=C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XKeysymDB > > SET XErrorDB =C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XErrorDB > > 3.24 Can I use DLLs and libraries with MSVC (Microsoft > Visual C++) to > > compile my source code? > > > > No! You cannot use Cygwin/XFree86 libraries with MSVC. You > > need latest > > version of Cygwin and GCC which comes with Cygwin. However, you can > > check out http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 for MSVC. > > > > > > > > > > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 25 03:46:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 03:46:00 -0000 Subject: remote display through gateway Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A95@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Telnet to remote machine, set DISPLAy on remote machine to your Win9x box And shoot an x-client. If your remote workstation does not allow remote displaying of X-clients it will refuse it. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Porter Bassett [ mailto:cporterbassett@home.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:23 AM > To: Cygwin-Xfree > Subject: remote display through gateway > > > I am sitting on a little network that connects to the > internet through a win98SE box on a cable modem. Is there > anything that I can do to display remote clients that are > outside of my network from within? I can get cygwin/xfree to > display the Unix boxes that are here inside my network, but I > have no idea how to do it with ones outside. > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 25 03:48:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 03:48:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A96@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > Hey remember that what is not fun for you is fun for others > to watch! I love watching pthreads bugs being fixed. > > I love watching documentation take shape. > > I love watching Suhaib pull this project together. > > Luckily for me, I have a nice 20 hour workday so I don't have > any real time constraints. I can watch for long periods of time... > Wish had a 20 hours workdays once a week and rest of the week free ;-) I have to manage a staff of 5 people here who eat my brain whole day, I end up putting 10 to 11 hours a day and still hear from CEO that projects need to completed sooner... Now I look back to those glorious days of student life freedom ;-) Suhaib > cgf > From Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com Fri May 25 06:57:00 2001 From: Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com (Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 06:57:00 -0000 Subject: startxwin.bat fails Message-ID: <85256A57.004CA43A.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> startxwin.bat file: @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 start /B XWin -screen 0 640x480x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 start /B rxvt -fn "Lucida Console-12" -e bash start /B xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e /usr/bin/bash start /B twm @echo on Program screen output: _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 winDetectSupprotedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupprotedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD winDetectSupprotedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000b winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw winCreateBoundingWindowWinindowed () - windowClient width 640 height 480 winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Masks: 00000000 00000000 00000000 bpRGB: 0 winInitVisuals () - Calling miSetVisualTypesAndMasks winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Returned from miSetVisualTypesAndMasks winInitvisualsShadowDD () - Returning 0 [main] XWin 249 handle_exceptions: Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO 1320 [main] XWin 249 stackdump: Dumping stack trace to Xwin.exe.stackdump XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connections reset by peer) on Xserver "127.0.0.1:0.0" after 0 request (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connections reset by peer) on Xserver "127.0.0.1:0.0" after 0 request (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. Xwin.exe.stackdump file: Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO at eip=004A66EC eax=00000000 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000010 edx=00000000 esi=00000010 edi=027CFCFA ebp=027CF980 esp=027CFC18 program=d:\tools\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\XWin.exe cs=001B ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003B gs=0000 ss=0023 Stack trace: Frame Function Args 027CF980 004A66EC (00000000, 00000000, 00000000, 00000000) 027CFC24 004A66EC (027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 0A018010) 027CFC54 0043DDA4 (027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 0A018010) 027CFCA4 0041D982 (0A0183B8, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA) 027CFD04 004A6E18 (0A017CB0, 00000000, 027CFD64, 00437193) 027CFD24 0043DDFA (0A017CB0, 00000000, 00000000, 00000008) 027CFD64 0043719F (00000000, 0A017CB0, 00000008, 0A0115A8) 027CFDA4 00436F33 (00000000, 0A017CB0, 00000008, 0A0115A8) 027CFE04 00402048 (00436EB0, 00000008, 0A0115A8, 004369EF) 027CFE34 00436A7A (007B972C, 00000008, 0A0115A8, 0040168B) 027CFE74 004016A0 (00000008, 0A0115A8, 0A010008, FFFFFFFE) 027CFF10 61003859 (00000000, D1A9DB80, 77F76387, 77F7638F) 027CFF40 61003A3D (00401400, D1A9DB80, F20DDDE4, 80B78B80) 027CFF60 61003A7C (00000000, 00000000, C0502000, 77ED5231) 027CFF90 007504B0 (00401400, 8011DDB9, 00000246, 8011748B) 027CFFC0 0040103B (D1A9DB80, 01C0CB86, 7FFDF000, 7FFDF000) End of stack trace (more stack frames may be present) Please help. Thanks, Rich From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 25 07:00:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:00:00 -0000 Subject: startxwin.bat fails Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A97@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Change this start /B XWin -screen 0 640x480x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 To start /B XWin -screen 0 640x480x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 And also set your windows Display resolution to 16 bit from Windows Control Panel Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com > [ mailto:Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:59 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: startxwin.bat fails > > > > > startxwin.bat file: > > @echo off > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > > start /B XWin -screen 0 640x480x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > > start /B rxvt -fn "Lucida Console-12" -e bash > start /B xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg > black -e /usr/bin/bash start /B twm @echo on > > > Program screen output: > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to > root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 > winDetectSupprotedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > winDetectSupprotedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD > winDetectSupprotedEngines () - Returning, supported engines > 0000000b winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw > winCreateBoundingWindowWinindowed () - windowClient width 640 > height 480 winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Masks: 00000000 > 00000000 00000000 bpRGB: 0 winInitVisuals () - Calling > miSetVisualTypesAndMasks winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Returned > from miSetVisualTypesAndMasks winInitvisualsShadowDD () - > Returning 0 [main] XWin 249 handle_exceptions: Exception: > STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO 1320 [main] XWin 249 stackdump: > Dumping stack trace to Xwin.exe.stackdump > XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connections reset by peer) on > Xserver "127.0.0.1:0.0" after 0 request (0 known processed) > with 0 events remaining. > XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connections reset by peer) on > Xserver "127.0.0.1:0.0" after 0 request (0 known processed) > with 0 events remaining. > > Xwin.exe.stackdump file: > > Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO at eip=004A66EC > eax=00000000 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000010 edx=00000000 > esi=00000010 edi=027CFCFA ebp=027CF980 esp=027CFC18 > program=d:\tools\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\XWin.exe > cs=001B ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003B gs=0000 ss=0023 > Stack trace: > Frame Function Args > 027CF980 004A66EC (00000000, 00000000, 00000000, 00000000) > 027CFC24 004A66EC (027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 0A018010) > 027CFC54 0043DDA4 (027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 0A018010) > 027CFCA4 0041D982 (0A0183B8, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA) > 027CFD04 004A6E18 (0A017CB0, 00000000, 027CFD64, 00437193) > 027CFD24 0043DDFA (0A017CB0, 00000000, 00000000, 00000008) > 027CFD64 0043719F (00000000, 0A017CB0, 00000008, 0A0115A8) > 027CFDA4 00436F33 (00000000, 0A017CB0, 00000008, 0A0115A8) > 027CFE04 00402048 (00436EB0, 00000008, 0A0115A8, 004369EF) > 027CFE34 00436A7A (007B972C, 00000008, 0A0115A8, 0040168B) > 027CFE74 004016A0 (00000008, 0A0115A8, 0A010008, FFFFFFFE) > 027CFF10 61003859 (00000000, D1A9DB80, 77F76387, 77F7638F) > 027CFF40 61003A3D (00401400, D1A9DB80, F20DDDE4, 80B78B80) > 027CFF60 61003A7C (00000000, 00000000, C0502000, 77ED5231) > 027CFF90 007504B0 (00401400, 8011DDB9, 00000246, 8011748B) > 027CFFC0 0040103B (D1A9DB80, 01C0CB86, 7FFDF000, 7FFDF000) > End of stack trace (more stack frames may be present) > > > Please help. > > Thanks, > > Rich > > From Pierre.Humblet@ieee.org Fri May 25 07:01:00 2001 From: Pierre.Humblet@ieee.org (Pierre A. Humblet) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:01:00 -0000 Subject: startxwin.bat fails References: <85256A57.004CA43A.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Message-ID: <3B0E6651.CFADE4F0@ieee.org> Harold, Wouldn't it be more practical to have xwin output an information message when the display depth cannot be handled, rather than having to answer incessantly the same question? Pierre Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com wrote: > > startxwin.bat file: > > @echo off > SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > > start /B XWin -screen 0 640x480x8 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 > > start /B rxvt -fn "Lucida Console-12" -e bash > start /B xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e > /usr/bin/bash > start /B twm > @echo on > > Program screen output: > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 > winDetectSupprotedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > winDetectSupprotedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD > winDetectSupprotedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000b > winSetEngine () - Using Shadow DirectDraw > winCreateBoundingWindowWinindowed () - windowClient width 640 height 480 > winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Masks: 00000000 00000000 00000000 bpRGB: 0 > winInitVisuals () - Calling miSetVisualTypesAndMasks > winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Returned from miSetVisualTypesAndMasks > winInitvisualsShadowDD () - Returning > 0 [main] XWin 249 handle_exceptions: Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO > 1320 [main] XWin 249 stackdump: Dumping stack trace to Xwin.exe.stackdump > XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connections reset by peer) on Xserver "127.0.0.1:0.0" > after 0 request (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. > XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connections reset by peer) on Xserver "127.0.0.1:0.0" > after 0 request (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. > > Xwin.exe.stackdump file: > > Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO at eip=004A66EC > eax=00000000 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000010 edx=00000000 esi=00000010 edi=027CFCFA > ebp=027CF980 esp=027CFC18 program=d:\tools\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\XWin.exe > cs=001B ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003B gs=0000 ss=0023 > Stack trace: > Frame Function Args > 027CF980 004A66EC (00000000, 00000000, 00000000, 00000000) > 027CFC24 004A66EC (027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 0A018010) > 027CFC54 0043DDA4 (027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 0A018010) > 027CFCA4 0041D982 (0A0183B8, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA, 027CFCFA) > 027CFD04 004A6E18 (0A017CB0, 00000000, 027CFD64, 00437193) > 027CFD24 0043DDFA (0A017CB0, 00000000, 00000000, 00000008) > 027CFD64 0043719F (00000000, 0A017CB0, 00000008, 0A0115A8) > 027CFDA4 00436F33 (00000000, 0A017CB0, 00000008, 0A0115A8) > 027CFE04 00402048 (00436EB0, 00000008, 0A0115A8, 004369EF) > 027CFE34 00436A7A (007B972C, 00000008, 0A0115A8, 0040168B) > 027CFE74 004016A0 (00000008, 0A0115A8, 0A010008, FFFFFFFE) > 027CFF10 61003859 (00000000, D1A9DB80, 77F76387, 77F7638F) > 027CFF40 61003A3D (00401400, D1A9DB80, F20DDDE4, 80B78B80) > 027CFF60 61003A7C (00000000, 00000000, C0502000, 77ED5231) > 027CFF90 007504B0 (00401400, 8011DDB9, 00000246, 8011748B) > 027CFFC0 0040103B (D1A9DB80, 01C0CB86, 7FFDF000, 7FFDF000) > End of stack trace (more stack frames may be present) > > Please help. > > Thanks, > > Rich From duck@duckland.org Fri May 25 07:05:00 2001 From: duck@duckland.org (Don Duck Harper) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:05:00 -0000 Subject: Alpha-KDE 1.1.2 on Windows available References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010525094820.058bc890@rothko.research.mediasurface.com> Message-ID: <20010525090454.F4496@duckland.org> Yup...their primary DNS server does not know who they are... Don On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 09:53:10AM +0100, jon ewing wrote to To cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com: :-) :-) Is it just me, or can anyone else not get to this URL? :-) :-) Thanks, :-) :-) Jon (who's excited about getting KDE running, and who :-) spent most of yesterday compiling up modules for the :-) WindowMaker dock - thanks loads Don ;-). :-) :-) From: "Ralf Habacker" :-) To: "Cygwin-Xfree" :-) Subject: Alpha-KDE 1.1.2 on Windows available :-) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:16:08 +0200 :-) Message-ID: < 001e01c0e485$fc7f0520$04072bb7@BRAMSCHE > :-) MIME-Version: 1.0 :-) Content-Type: text/plain; :-) charset="iso-8859-1" :-) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :-) :-) Hi all, :-) :-) I like to tell that an alpha release of kde 1.1.2 for Cygwin is available on :-) http://sf.net/projects/kde-cygwin . :-) :-) Regards :-) :-) Ralf Habacker :-) EMail: Ralf@habacker.de :-) Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com -- Don Harper, RHCE, MCSE email: duck@duckland.org Just a systems kinda guy... http://www.duckland.org #!/usr/bin/perl -w # 531-byte qrpff-fast, Keith Winstein and Marc Horowitz # MPEG 2 PS VOB file on stdin -> descrambled output on stdout # arguments: title key bytes in least to most-significant order $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^$d>>4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory. From jon.ewing@mediasurface.com Fri May 25 07:09:00 2001 From: jon.ewing@mediasurface.com (jon ewing) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:09:00 -0000 Subject: Alpha-KDE 1.1.2 on Windows available References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010525094820.058bc890@rothko.research.mediasurface.com> <20010525090454.F4496@duckland.org> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010525150730.00abf518@rothko.research.mediasurface.com> It should read http://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-cygwin Thanks to John Morrison for pointing that out ;-) jon. >Yup...their primary DNS server does not know who they are... > >Don > >On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 09:53:10AM +0100, jon ewing wrote to To >cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com: >:-) >:-) Is it just me, or can anyone else not get to this URL? >:-) >:-) Thanks, >:-) >:-) Jon (who's excited about getting KDE running, and who >:-) spent most of yesterday compiling up modules for the >:-) WindowMaker dock - thanks loads Don ;-). >:-) >:-) From: "Ralf Habacker" >:-) To: "Cygwin-Xfree" >:-) Subject: Alpha-KDE 1.1.2 on Windows available >:-) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:16:08 +0200 >:-) Message-ID: < 001e01c0e485$fc7f0520$04072bb7@BRAMSCHE > >:-) MIME-Version: 1.0 >:-) Content-Type: text/plain; >:-) charset="iso-8859-1" >:-) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >:-) >:-) Hi all, >:-) >:-) I like to tell that an alpha release of kde 1.1.2 for Cygwin is >available on >:-) http://sf.net/projects/kde-cygwin . >:-) >:-) Regards >:-) >:-) Ralf Habacker >:-) EMail: Ralf@habacker.de >:-) Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com > >-- >Don Harper, RHCE, MCSE email: duck@duckland.org >Just a systems kinda guy... http://www.duckland.org > >#!/usr/bin/perl -w ># 531-byte qrpff-fast, Keith Winstein and Marc Horowitz ># MPEG 2 PS VOB file on stdin -> descrambled output on stdout ># arguments: title key bytes in least to most-significant order >$_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( >$m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 >-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h >=5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ >d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^$d>>4^ >$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ >(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > >A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory. jon ewing principal research engineer Mediasurface, London +44 (0)20 7407 8149 - phone +44 (0)20 7967 9006 - fax jon.ewing@mediasurface.com - email http://www.mediasurface.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ M E D I A S U R F A C E at the hub of e-business ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ This message and its contents are intended for the named recipient only. The views expressed within are not necessarily the views of Mediasurface Limited. From porter@et.byu.edu Fri May 25 09:30:00 2001 From: porter@et.byu.edu (C. Porter Bassett) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:30:00 -0000 Subject: remote display through gateway References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A95@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <002501c0e537$9c1f41b0$0a00a8c0@PWORK> That is what I am trying to do. I telnet into the remote machine, and I set the DISPLAY to be the IP address of my local win98SE gateway. The question is, is there any way to get my gateway to forward the X connection to my desktop? Right now, nothing happens, because my gateway doesn't have an X server on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suhaib Siddiqi" To: "'C. Porter Bassett'" ; "'Cygwin-Xfree'" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: RE: remote display through gateway > > Telnet to remote machine, set DISPLAy on remote machine to your Win9x box > And shoot an x-client. If your remote workstation does not allow remote > displaying of > X-clients it will refuse it. > > Suhaib > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: C. Porter Bassett [ mailto:cporterbassett@home.com ] > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:23 AM > > To: Cygwin-Xfree > > Subject: remote display through gateway > > > > > > I am sitting on a little network that connects to the > > internet through a win98SE box on a cable modem. Is there > > anything that I can do to display remote clients that are > > outside of my network from within? I can get cygwin/xfree to > > display the Unix boxes that are here inside my network, but I > > have no idea how to do it with ones outside. > > > From cisco4u@hotmail.com Fri May 25 11:48:00 2001 From: cisco4u@hotmail.com (Frank White) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:48:00 -0000 Subject: Wanted: A programmer to help with a project Message-ID: <990816692.210@hwrd1.md.home.com> Hello, I am not a programmer but I have an idea for a program that could make alot of money, and would like some help (partner). If you can help please reply and I will give you more details. Thanks, Frank From huntharo@msu.edu Fri May 25 11:53:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:53:00 -0000 Subject: startxwin.bat fails References: <3B0E6651.CFADE4F0@ieee.org> Message-ID: > Wouldn't it be more practical to have xwin output > an information message when the display depth cannot > be handled, rather than having to answer incessantly > the same question? I had thought about the same thing, just haven't had time to get to it yet. :) I was going to write such a patch a couple days ago but then the FAQ stuff took center stage. However, I see something interesting about this user's error message: > > winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Masks: 00000000 00000000 00000000 bpRGB: 0 Normally I know that a user is running Windows at 8 bits per pixel because the bpRGB field gets set to 8 when we query DirectDraw for the current display mode. However, this user's bpRGB is 0, which I haven't seen before. Perhaps there is something else going on with this particular user's problem... Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Fri May 25 11:57:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:57:00 -0000 Subject: remote display through gateway References: <002501c0e537$9c1f41b0$0a00a8c0@PWORK> Message-ID: Did you follow the steps in the User's Guide section on how to do this? http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/using-remote-apps.html Harold From salah.zerrougui@primetech.ca Fri May 25 11:58:00 2001 From: salah.zerrougui@primetech.ca (Salah Zerrougui) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:58:00 -0000 Subject: Broadcast mode Message-ID: Hi all, On commercial Xservers broadcast mode will get a list off all the Xclients on the network. On Cygwin/Xfree the only way in could get a list is through -indirect IP_Address_Of_Any_Unix_Box. My only concern is if that host is down then, users won't be able to get their list. Is there a way to get a list without (proxy). Thanks in advance, Salah From JDavid@lgc.com Fri May 25 11:59:00 2001 From: JDavid@lgc.com (Jerome David) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:59:00 -0000 Subject: enlightenment Message-ID: <038A897BC8D6064E928A60BA14CC0F5A82F58A@lgchexch004.ad.lgc.com> I've seen soon of you have compiled enlightenment. I have recompiled xfree with shared memory enabled and added -lcygipc in Makefiles, but I am still getting some errors: /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/actions.c:275: undefined reference to `_imp__gettext' /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/actions.c:277: undefined reference to `_imp__gettext' /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/actions.c:277: undefined reference to `_imp__gettext' actions.o: In function `runApp': /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/actions.c:665: undefined reference to `_imp__gettext' /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/actions.c:673: undefined reference to `_imp__gettext' actions.o:/usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/actions.c:728: more undefined references to `_imp__gettext' follow main.o: In function `main': /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/main.c:63: undefined reference to `_imp__bindtextdomain' /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/main.c:64: undefined reference to `_imp__textdomain' /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/main.c:89: undefined reference to `_imp__gettext' /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/main.c:90: undefined reference to `_imp__gettext' /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/main.c:91: undefined reference to `_imp__gettext' /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/main.c:92: undefined reference to `_imp__gettext' /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/main.c:181: undefined reference to `_imp__gettext' memory.o:/usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/memory.c:194: more undefined references to `_imp__gettext' follow collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Could anybody help me please ? J-D From huntharo@msu.edu Fri May 25 12:00:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:00:00 -0000 Subject: remote display through gateway References: <002501c0e537$9c1f41b0$0a00a8c0@PWORK> Message-ID: Oops, disregard my previous email. I don't think we can really help you with how to get your router/natbox to forward connections. I can tell you that X listens on port 6000 + n (where n is the display number), but later connections are on other ports. This wouldn't be a problem specific to just Cygwin/XFree86, so you should try searching Google for anyone who has had success doing this with any X server, be it on a Linux box or whatever. Good luck, Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Fri May 25 12:11:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:11:00 -0000 Subject: startxwin.bat fails Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A99@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> One of the use emailed me private a Thank note. I do not remember who was he He changed Windows display to 16 bit and started Xwin with 16 bps. It wroks for him. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:53 PM > To: Pierre A. Humblet; Richard_Larrabee@amsinc.com > Cc: cygx > Subject: RE: startxwin.bat fails > > > > Wouldn't it be more practical to have xwin output > > an information message when the display depth cannot > > be handled, rather than having to answer incessantly > > the same question? > > I had thought about the same thing, just haven't had time to > get to it yet. > :) > > I was going to write such a patch a couple days ago but then > the FAQ stuff took center stage. > > However, I see something interesting about this user's error message: > > > winInitVisualsShadowDD () - Masks: 00000000 00000000 > 00000000 bpRGB: > > > 0 > > Normally I know that a user is running Windows at 8 bits per > pixel because the bpRGB field gets set to 8 when we query > DirectDraw for the current display mode. However, this > user's bpRGB is 0, which I haven't seen before. Perhaps there > is something else going on with this particular user's problem... > > Harold > From Mike.mellor@tbe.com Fri May 25 18:57:00 2001 From: Mike.mellor@tbe.com (Mellor, Mike) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:57:00 -0000 Subject: Help with Xfree, KDE Message-ID: I have installed XFree86 under Cygwin, and can get it to run, but I have several questions (and probably all inappropriate for this list, but here goes): :) Should each application running under X have a Win95 application running as well (I see each of the applications running along the taskbar, and each has its own dos box)? What shell is running in Xterm and rxvt? I am having trouble with simple commands (cd /usr/bin returns an error). Also, there is no command history (which I do have under CLI Cygwin with BASH). I am trying to run KDE. I have added to the PATH for both the qt dll and the kde dll. startxwin.bat seems to start correctly (no error messages) but the terminal programs have no border (just boxes that do not respond to input). What does the /B switch do in startxwin.bat? When I had the /B switch in the bat file it generated an "invalid switch" error; when I removed it, the applications loaded. Thanks for the help. Mike From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sat May 26 01:10:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 01:10:00 -0000 Subject: Open Motif and cygwin References: <3B0E1BFA.4010204@netscape.net> <05b501c0e4fb$31ec2e20$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <003b01c0e538$03f48660$0a00a8c0@PWORK> Message-ID: <00b401c0e5bb$40ef8d20$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Porter Bassett" To: "Robert Collins" Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 2:30 AM Subject: Re: Open Motif and cygwin > Are you sure? The cygwin/xfree FAQ says that it may be within the license > to do so, but that nobody has done any work to find out if this is so. I'm sure. The FAQ DOES NOT SAY THAT. You are referring to a draft FAQ. The draft FAQ is not ready for use. (I am the FAQ maintainer..) The current FAQ, http://xfree86.cygwin.com , section 3.10 address this (very briefly). Also in this list, within the last few days we have had a thread on this. Rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Collins" > To: "venkatesh" ; "cygwin" > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:15 AM > Subject: Re: Open Motif and cygwin > > > > No. It's against the Open Motif Licence to do so. > > > > Rob > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "venkatesh" > > To: "cygwin" > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:46 PM > > Subject: Open Motif and cygwin > > > > > > > Hi > > > Anybody built open motif under cygwin. I could not easily figure out > > how > > > to do it from the source documentation. Any resources are welcome. I > > > have already built lesstif with cygwin. I want to try open motif. > > > > > > Thanks > > > venkatesh > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Want to unsubscribe from this list? > > > Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Want to unsubscribe from this list? > > Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > > > > From cgf@cygnus.com Sat May 26 09:07:00 2001 From: cgf@cygnus.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:07:00 -0000 Subject: [root@sources.redhat.com: Weekly sourceware+gcc mailing list summary for week ending 05/26/01] Message-ID: <20010526120741.B7647@redhat.com> ----- Forwarded message from root@sourceware.cygnus.com ----- From: root@sourceware.cygnus.com To: cdelger@redhat.com, cgf@cygnus.com, law@cygnus.com, rosalia@lanl.gov, sourcemaster@cygnus.com, tromey@cygnus.com Subject: Weekly sourceware+gcc mailing list summary for week ending 05/26/01 Date: 26 May 2001 08:52:44 -0000 This report generated on 2001-05-26. This report covers the last 7 days. Total subscribers: 32,071 Total unique subscribers: 22,912 Digest subscribers: 1,771 Number of mailing lists: 172 Number of mail notes handled: 4,749 Number of deliveries: 1,586,607 Number of bytes sent down the wire: 5,756,239,508 Average length of msgs (incl header) 5,222 Average # of deliveries per message: 334 Average # of bytes sent per hour: 34,263,330 Average # of deliveries per hour: 9,444 On average, there was one delivery made every 0.38 seconds. (Note: All message length calculations include the message headers.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fifteen highest volume mailing lists (# of notes sent to each list this week) (cvs lists are not included) ----------------------------------------- 554 gcc 503 gcc-patches 387 gcc-prs 366 cygwin 294 cygwin-xfree 254 gcc-bugs 190 libstdc++ 187 gcc-testresults 156 binutils 151 ecos-discuss 111 gdb-patches 86 libc-alpha 80 java-patches 76 crossgcc 66 java-discuss Fifteen largest bandwidth using lists (# of bytes sent down the wire, including mail headers) (cvs lists are included) ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1,444,059,060 gcc 910,496,478 cygwin 849,167,670 gcc-bugs 652,453,320 gcc-patches 239,325,048 binutils 226,744,596 cygwin-xfree 203,099,120 gcc-prs 176,109,500 crossgcc 163,895,550 gcc-testresults 158,725,540 ecos-discuss 142,495,056 libstdc++ 87,392,335 libc-alpha 55,613,088 gdb-patches 54,934,586 cygwin-announce 51,740,208 java-discuss Top twenty posters (to all lists, cvs lists are not included) ------------------------------------------------------------- 157 Mark Mitchell 108 Alexandre Oliva 92 "Joseph S. Myers" 83 Richard Henderson 81 Christopher Faylor 61 Neil Booth 61 "Harold Hunt" 60 jsm28@gcc.gnu.org 60 Benjamin Kosnik 59 Tom Tromey 57 Suhaib Siddiqi 54 "GCC regression checker" 52 "Robert Collins" 46 Phil Edwards 44 rodrigc@gcc.gnu.org 44 CompuServe Postmaster 44 Andreas Jaeger 43 "H . J . 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fied host. -broadcast Enable XDMCP and broadcast BroadcastQuery packets to the network. The first responding display man???? ager will be chosen for the session. -indirect host-name Enable XDMCP and send IndirectQuery packets to the specified host. This means you can't broadcast for a list. Is it needed that the user gets the list. Broadcast will always take the fastest responding host and will automagicly share the load to the servers. If you still need it, you will have to write an option -indirect-broadcast, which will send an BroadcastQuery and then an IndirectQuery to the first responding host. bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From dcook@caveduck.com Sat May 26 21:04:00 2001 From: dcook@caveduck.com (Dave Cook) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:04:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: bluescreen during XF86/cygwin build Message-ID: <002501c0e662$0ed24a60$6800a8c0@dbca950> I suspect this may be a cygwin DLL problem but it has only ever manifested for me while building XFree86/Cygwin, so I'm posting to both lists. A command of the following form at bash prompt on a freshly pulled XFree86 CVS tree caused identical "driver has corrupted the executive memory pool" bluescreens 3 times in a row: make World | tee world.log I think a couple of the attempts used 2>&1 stderr redirection. System is Win2000 SP2, Cygwin 1.3.1, not using ntsec. Plenty of disk and ram available. The crash happens during the massive rm's done in the cleaning stage at the start of the build. If I change the command to make World > world.log everything is fine. Regards, Dave Cook From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sat May 26 21:06:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:06:00 -0000 Subject: bluescreen during XF86/cygwin build References: <002501c0e662$0ed24a60$6800a8c0@dbca950> Message-ID: <016b01c0e662$415f9320$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cook" To: ; Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: Fw: bluescreen during XF86/cygwin build > I suspect this may be a cygwin DLL problem but it has only ever manifested for me while > building XFree86/Cygwin, so I'm posting to both lists. It shouldn't be either. Cygwin doesn't install any drivers at this point in time. I suspect your system. > A command of the following form at bash prompt on a freshly pulled XFree86 CVS tree caused > identical "driver has corrupted the executive memory pool" bluescreens 3 times in a row: Have you looked into what driver and the call stack for the bluescreen? Rob > make World | tee world.log > > I think a couple of the attempts used 2>&1 stderr redirection. System is Win2000 SP2, > Cygwin 1.3.1, not using ntsec. Plenty of disk and ram available. The crash happens > during the massive rm's done in the cleaning stage at the start of the build. If I change > the command to > > make World > world.log > > everything is fine. > > Regards, > > Dave Cook > > From dcook@caveduck.com Sat May 26 21:29:00 2001 From: dcook@caveduck.com (Dave Cook) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:29:00 -0000 Subject: bluescreen during XF86/cygwin build References: <002501c0e662$0ed24a60$6800a8c0@dbca950> <016b01c0e662$415f9320$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <003d01c0e665$9e71aff0$6800a8c0@dbca950> >Robert Collins wrote: > It shouldn't be either. Cygwin doesn't install any drivers at this point > in time. I realize that cygwin doesn't install any actual drivers, but it pushes the filesystem in ways that W2K may not expect :) >I suspect your system. Unlikely. This system is maintained *very* carefully with proper drivers - BIOS - OS updates with stability as the object. I found this scenario interesting precisely because I have not experienced a similar bluescreen in months, though I use Cygwin pretty much as my primary working environment, and I do tons of gcc compiles. I'll see if I can recreate it and capture the stack info... Regards, Dave From cgf@redhat.com Sat May 26 21:37:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:37:00 -0000 Subject: bluescreen during XF86/cygwin build References: <002501c0e662$0ed24a60$6800a8c0@dbca950> <016b01c0e662$415f9320$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <003d01c0e665$9e71aff0$6800a8c0@dbca950> Message-ID: <20010527003757.A12171@redhat.com> On Sat, May 26, 2001 at 09:29:28PM -0700, Dave Cook wrote: >>Robert Collins wrote: >> It shouldn't be either. Cygwin doesn't install any drivers at this point >> in time. > >I realize that cygwin doesn't install any actual drivers, but it pushes >the filesystem in ways that W2K may not expect :) No, it doesn't actually. It just uses standard Win32 API calls. With an OS like W2K there is really no way that Cygwin should be able to cause a blue screen. If it does, it's an OS bug, not a Cygwin bug. cgf From dcook@caveduck.com Sat May 26 21:54:00 2001 From: dcook@caveduck.com (Dave Cook) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 21:54:00 -0000 Subject: bluescreen during XF86/cygwin build References: <002501c0e662$0ed24a60$6800a8c0@dbca950> <016b01c0e662$415f9320$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <003d01c0e665$9e71aff0$6800a8c0@dbca950> <20010527003757.A12171@redhat.com> Message-ID: <004d01c0e669$152d0380$6800a8c0@dbca950> Chris Faylor wrote: > >I realize that cygwin doesn't install any actual drivers, but it pushes > >the filesystem in ways that W2K may not expect :) > > No, it doesn't actually. It just uses standard Win32 API calls. > > With an OS like W2K there is really no way that Cygwin should be able to > cause a blue screen. If it does, it's an OS bug, not a Cygwin bug. You can't necessarily just tell the customer "it's Microsoft's problem". I'm a veteran of those wars...we did an NT server product a couple of years back that ran into a Win32 call that leaked ~1KB of nonpaged memory every time you used it in a certain perfectly legal way. Not harmful for normal apps, but fatal for a server that wanted to run for weeks. >From a customer centric view, if I can run command X on a normally configured Linux box and it works, but the same supposedly supported command fails in Cygwin, then it's a Cygwin problem (though perhaps technically not a Cygwin bug). I'll shut up now :) Regards, Dave From cgf@redhat.com Sat May 26 22:49:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: bluescreen during XF86/cygwin build References: <002501c0e662$0ed24a60$6800a8c0@dbca950> <016b01c0e662$415f9320$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <003d01c0e665$9e71aff0$6800a8c0@dbca950> <20010527003757.A12171@redhat.com> <004d01c0e669$152d0380$6800a8c0@dbca950> Message-ID: <20010527014913.A13495@redhat.com> On Sat, May 26, 2001 at 09:54:16PM -0700, Dave Cook wrote: >Chris Faylor wrote: >>>I realize that cygwin doesn't install any actual drivers, but it pushes >>>the filesystem in ways that W2K may not expect :) >> >>No, it doesn't actually. It just uses standard Win32 API calls. >> >>With an OS like W2K there is really no way that Cygwin should be able >>to cause a blue screen. If it does, it's an OS bug, not a Cygwin bug. > >You can't necessarily just tell the customer "it's Microsoft's >problem". 1) You are not "the customer". 2) I *can* tell you that it is Microsoft's problem if I can write an unprivileged program that crashes their OS. There is no way that I am going to accomodate a Microsoft blue screen problem on Windows NT in Cygwin. I might consider it on an "OS" like Windows 9x but NT/2K is an OS without the quotes. >From a customer centric view, if I can run command X on a normally >configured Linux box and it works, but the same supposedly supported >command fails in Cygwin, then it's a Cygwin problem (though perhaps >technically not a Cygwin bug). You really are out to lunch on this one. You downloaded some free software from a web site. That gives you *zero* rights. If you think that this is in some way related to Red Hat Linux or that this is a commercial product in any way, you are sadly mistaken. So, my official answer *is* that this is either Microsoft's problem or your problem. It looks like Robert Collins is graciously offering to help you. He is a volunteer, like me. You are lucky that he is interested and I'm glad that he is helping you but it is unlikely that if you find that it is, say, the MoveFileEx call that is causing problems that I will do anything to fix it in Cygwin. Of course, I do trust Robert's opinion so if he thinks that we need to fix something in Cygwin, I'll listen. I just won't put in 200 lines of code to work around a bug in 2K. cgf From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sun May 27 00:25:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 00:25:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <20010525022557.A22622@redhat.com> Message-ID: <022001c0e67e$24654be0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Chris, howabout that CVS repository? Rob From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sun May 27 07:52:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 07:52:00 -0000 Subject: cygxfree doco 1.0h Message-ID: <00f401c0e6bc$823fbff0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> This "release" http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0h.tar.gz contains * new draft users guides, contributors guide, migrated into the authoring framework (Harold) * XML/XSL Support for the faq. (Robert) I'm nearly at the point where I can move onto the content review. Why XSL? The XSL support was a critical step. The DSSSL/SGML stylesheets are at end of life. They will be deprecated in docbook 5.0 (the next release). The XML/DSSSL variant produced non-validatable HTML. However XML with XSL is working very nicely. Volunteers wanted! The following packages are needed to build the doco: [o]nsgmls(found in jade/openjade). xsltproc(found in libxslt). I will generate binary packages for cygwin, and make those available to anyone who wishes to build the doco, but I'm not able to commit to any sort of regular maintenance for them. Thus maintainers are needed. I have attached the various emails I've sent to the dependant packages in puttin gthis together, along with a libxml2 patch that I haven't sent off yet. The libxml1 patch will apparently break win32 builds (I can't see how given what was in their download but ...). You will need to apply those patches if you want to build these tools _correctly_ on cygwin. Likewise, there is a bug with libxslt 0.10.0 and before that prevents doctypes being created in the output html files, this would prevent successful HTML validation. (And such compliance is important IMO). That patch will be needed on any platform. Feedback on the build mechanism, not the content, is appreciated. Now, lastly, a little remark on the tool selection. For a starting point docbook is pretty much guaranteed to be the best authoring language for our needs. It's used all over the place, for good reason. Within docbook you have 3 official choices: Docbook SGML/DSSSL Docbook XML/DSSSL Docbook XML/XSL The first 2 use any dsssl processor (openjade will compile, with the instruction from marcus's site referred to by Harold a few days ago - although a little investigation is needed). The 3rd uses any XSLT processor that is XSLT 1.0 or therabouts comformant. I've been through the reasoning above as to why XML/XSL makes sense for us. What about tools for XSL? It's a standard, it'll be supported, piece of cake. Yeah. Right. There are two basic options: java (ie saxon) or non-java (ie sablotron/libxslt/xalan). Java: this is a problem on cygwin, due to all the JVM's having "\" separators and being ignorant of the cygwin mount table. nonjava: This should have been easy. However.... sablotron: Built real esay, with one trivial patch for it's xml processor. Not functional enough to do the job, although it's real fast. I'm keeping an eye on their mailing list, if/when it gets up to speed I'll probably add support to the configure script for it. xalan: I recommend this, and xerces as an example of how to abuse automake and autoconf such that all benefit they provide is lost. libxslt: Very nice. The libxml[1|2] libraries could have been made a little better portability wise (WIN32 != MSVC grrr) but otherwise no problems. Static libraries only at this point I think, but they all have the exports defined correctly such that it should be easy to make them dlls' (they use libtool so that needs fixing first). So xsltproc from libxslt is the _only_ tool I found that can do xsl stylesheet processing from cygwin, without needed major ugly stylesheet or dtd manipulation. Now that the faq validates properly, my next task is inserting the web page via the xsl driver. That should be trivial compared to what has gone before though. However that is at least 3 days away, with my expected week. Thus this early partially converted announcement, to let everyone have a play. Rob -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: buildoncygwin.patch Type: text/x-diff Size: 7835 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: xml2cygwin.patch Type: text/x-diff Size: 4273 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: xsl.document.patch Type: text/x-diff Size: 1280 bytes Desc: not available URL: From flognat@flognat.myip.org Sun May 27 10:10:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 10:10:00 -0000 Subject: Going startxwin.sh? Message-ID: Hi! I am experimenting with starting xwindows up, and are wondering, are there any special reason for hanging around with the startxwin.bat-file, and not running it as a bash-script?? I know.. doubleclicking.. typing startxwin.bat in the cmd-prompt, but if we called it startxwin.sh and bind .sh to bash?? The reason I am having problems is mainly that if I do ssh machine from a cmd-prompt.. the terminal on the other side.. isn't to trust on.. keypresses get mixed around, commands doesn't get started as they should on the remote machine.. /Andy From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun May 27 10:38:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 10:38:00 -0000 Subject: Going startxwin.sh? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A9D@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:10 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Going startxwin.sh? > > Hi! > > I am experimenting with starting xwindows up, and are wondering, are > there any special reason for hanging around with the > startxwin.bat-file, and not running it as a bash-script?? > > I know.. doubleclicking.. typing startxwin.bat in the cmd-prompt, but > if we called it startxwin.sh and bind .sh to bash?? Startx script is already there for bash users? Startxwin.bat is for users who like to use DOS. Both should be provided. Suhaib > > The reason I am having problems is mainly that if I do ssh machine > from a cmd-prompt.. the terminal on the other side.. isn't to trust > on.. keypresses get mixed around, commands doesn't get started as they > should on the remote machine.. > > /Andy From flognat@flognat.myip.org Sun May 27 11:09:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:09:00 -0000 Subject: Using ssh to get a remote xterm started.. Message-ID: I am trying to fire up a remote xterm automagically through cygwin's ssh 2.9p1-2 (latest and greatest dll and so on.. What happens is: I do (master is my linux machine.: ssh -2 -v -X master xterm The xterm pops up in my xserver on the `cygwin' machine. The last lines of the ssh log is: [...] debug1: client_init id 0 arg 0 debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. debug1: Sending command: xterm debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 16384 debug1: client_input_channel_open: ctype x11 rchan 2 win 4096 max 2048 debug1: client_request_x11: request from 127.0.0.1 1189 debug1: fd 7 setting O_NONBLOCK debug1: fd 7 IS O_NONBLOCK debug1: channel 1: new [x11] debug1: confirm x11 But if I try: ssh -2 -v -X master xterm & ssh -2 -v -X -n master (with and without &) ssh -2 -v -X -f master (with and without &) I get no xterm, and the log says: [...] debug1: client_init id 0 arg 0 debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. debug1: Sending command: xterm debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 16384 [silence] What have I missed?? /Andy From flognat@flognat.myip.org Sun May 27 11:22:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:22:00 -0000 Subject: Going startxwin.sh? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A9D@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: *bonk* ahh well .. Hmm startx points to sysclientrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc sysserverrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc But none of these files comes included.. /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/ is symlinked to /etc/X11/xinit, which doesn't exist.. Anyone who have a 'working' version, while I mess around and destroy my setup ;-) /Andy | | Startx script is already there for bash users? | Startxwin.bat is for users who like to use DOS. Both should be provided. From karlm30@hotmail.com Sun May 27 11:24:00 2001 From: karlm30@hotmail.com (Karl M) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:24:00 -0000 Subject: Using ssh to get a remote xterm started.. Message-ID: Hi Andrew... You may have a problem with ssh hanging when you fork off after authentication--as I did. Try my workaround patch (previous e-mail) and see if that fixes it for you. Thanks, ...Karl >From: Andrew Markebo >To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com, cygwin@cygwin.com >Subject: Using ssh to get a remote xterm started.. >Date: 27 May 2001 19:40:00 +0200 > >I am trying to fire up a remote xterm automagically through cygwin's >ssh 2.9p1-2 (latest and greatest dll and so on.. What happens is: > >I do (master is my linux machine.: > >ssh -2 -v -X master xterm > >The xterm pops up in my xserver on the `cygwin' machine. The last >lines of the ssh log is: > >[...] >debug1: client_init id 0 arg 0 >debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. >debug1: Sending command: xterm >debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 16384 >debug1: client_input_channel_open: ctype x11 rchan 2 win 4096 max 2048 >debug1: client_request_x11: request from 127.0.0.1 1189 >debug1: fd 7 setting O_NONBLOCK >debug1: fd 7 IS O_NONBLOCK >debug1: channel 1: new [x11] >debug1: confirm x11 > >But if I try: > >ssh -2 -v -X master xterm & >ssh -2 -v -X -n master (with and without &) >ssh -2 -v -X -f master (with and without &) > >I get no xterm, and the log says: >[...] >debug1: client_init id 0 arg 0 >debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. >debug1: Sending command: xterm >debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 16384 >[silence] > >What have I missed?? > > /Andy > >-- >Want to unsubscribe from this list? >Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From karlm30@hotmail.com Sun May 27 11:29:00 2001 From: karlm30@hotmail.com (Karl M) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:29:00 -0000 Subject: Using ssh to get a remote xterm started.. Message-ID: Hi Andrew... You may have a problem with ssh hanging (as I did). Try my workaround patch (previous mail) and see if that helps. Please post here whether the patch helps or not. Thanks, ...Karl >From: Andrew Markebo >To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com, cygwin@cygwin.com >Subject: Using ssh to get a remote xterm started.. >Date: 27 May 2001 19:40:00 +0200 > >I am trying to fire up a remote xterm automagically through cygwin's >ssh 2.9p1-2 (latest and greatest dll and so on.. What happens is: > >I do (master is my linux machine.: > >ssh -2 -v -X master xterm > >The xterm pops up in my xserver on the `cygwin' machine. The last >lines of the ssh log is: > >[...] >debug1: client_init id 0 arg 0 >debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. >debug1: Sending command: xterm >debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 16384 >debug1: client_input_channel_open: ctype x11 rchan 2 win 4096 max 2048 >debug1: client_request_x11: request from 127.0.0.1 1189 >debug1: fd 7 setting O_NONBLOCK >debug1: fd 7 IS O_NONBLOCK >debug1: channel 1: new [x11] >debug1: confirm x11 > >But if I try: > >ssh -2 -v -X master xterm & >ssh -2 -v -X -n master (with and without &) >ssh -2 -v -X -f master (with and without &) > >I get no xterm, and the log says: >[...] >debug1: client_init id 0 arg 0 >debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. >debug1: Sending command: xterm >debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 16384 >[silence] > >What have I missed?? > > /Andy > >-- >Want to unsubscribe from this list? >Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Sun May 27 11:40:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:40:00 -0000 Subject: Going startxwin.sh? Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A9E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> You can copy them from Linux or any UNIX workstation runing XFree86. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 2:22 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: 'cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com' > Subject: Re: Going startxwin.sh? > > *bonk* ahh well .. Hmm startx points to > sysclientrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc > sysserverrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc > > But none of these files comes included.. /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/ is > symlinked to /etc/X11/xinit, which doesn't exist.. > > Anyone who have a 'working' version, while I mess around and destroy > my setup ;-) > > /Andy > > | > | Startx script is already there for bash users? > | Startxwin.bat is for users who like to use DOS. Both should be > provided. From flognat@flognat.myip.org Sun May 27 11:48:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:48:00 -0000 Subject: Going startxwin.sh? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A9E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: / Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: | You can copy them from Linux or any UNIX workstation runing XFree86. | | Suhaib Potential problem.. or maybe not, I don't have a /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc on my linux machine.. Hmm meanwhile startx looks the same, probably no need to worry then.. Where do I tell the x-server which resolution, video-mode and so on? /Andy From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sun May 27 14:55:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:55:00 -0000 Subject: Going startxwin.sh? References: Message-ID: <003d01c0e6f7$93c1b4f0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Markebo" To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 3:10 AM Subject: Going startxwin.sh? > Hi! > > I am experimenting with starting xwindows up, and are wondering, are > there any special reason for hanging around with the > startxwin.bat-file, and not running it as a bash-script?? FWIW startx _is_ a shell script. If you want a shell script I suggest that ine for starters :]. Rob > I know.. doubleclicking.. typing startxwin.bat in the cmd-prompt, but > if we called it startxwin.sh and bind .sh to bash?? > > The reason I am having problems is mainly that if I do ssh machine > from a cmd-prompt.. the terminal on the other side.. isn't to trust > on.. keypresses get mixed around, commands doesn't get started as they > should on the remote machine.. > > /Andy > > From cgf@redhat.com Sun May 27 16:18:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 16:18:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <20010525022557.A22622@redhat.com> <022001c0e67e$24654be0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010527191746.A27030@redhat.com> On Sun, May 27, 2001 at 05:25:00PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >howabout that CVS repository? Wow, remind me never to volunteer to do that again. I'd forgotten what a pain it is to set a CVS repository up on sourceware. "Someone" has got to set up some scripts to do this stuff. Anyway, it's there now: cvs -d :ext:sources.redhat.com:/cvs/cygwin-xfree co doc You can subscribe to cygwin-xfree-cvs@sources.redhat.com if you want to receive notification when someone makes changes to the repository. If you use the "cvs import" command to add stuff please be very very careful to get the command right. We don't want to be spewing cygwin-xfree stuff into the rest of the repository. cgf From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Sun May 27 16:32:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 16:32:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] > > On Sun, May 27, 2001 at 05:25:00PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >howabout that CVS repository? > > Wow, remind me never to volunteer to do that again. I'd > forgotten what a pain > it is to set a CVS repository up on sourceware. "Someone" > has got to set up some > scripts to do this stuff. Never volunteer to provide CVS space again :]. > Anyway, it's there now: > > cvs -d :ext:sources.redhat.com:/cvs/cygwin-xfree co doc > > You can subscribe to cygwin-xfree-cvs@sources.redhat.com if > you want to > receive notification when someone makes changes to the repository. > > If you use the "cvs import" command to add stuff please be > very very careful > to get the command right. We don't want to be spewing > cygwin-xfree stuff > into the rest of the repository. Thank you. Next question: can we run scripts on that server to generate web site content from the cvs tree and copy to the web site?. Or do we check it out, build locally and "install" into a sandbox for the website? Rob > cgf > From cgf@redhat.com Sun May 27 16:51:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 16:51:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: Message-ID: <20010527195107.A27303@redhat.com> On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 09:23:56AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] >> >> On Sun, May 27, 2001 at 05:25:00PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> >howabout that CVS repository? >> >> Wow, remind me never to volunteer to do that again. I'd >> forgotten what a pain >> it is to set a CVS repository up on sourceware. "Someone" >> has got to set up some >> scripts to do this stuff. > >Never volunteer to provide CVS space again :]. > >> Anyway, it's there now: >> >> cvs -d :ext:sources.redhat.com:/cvs/cygwin-xfree co doc >> >> You can subscribe to cygwin-xfree-cvs@sources.redhat.com if >> you want to >> receive notification when someone makes changes to the repository. >> >> If you use the "cvs import" command to add stuff please be >> very very careful >> to get the command right. We don't want to be spewing >> cygwin-xfree stuff >> into the rest of the repository. > >Thank you. > >Next question: can we run scripts on that server to generate web site >content from the cvs tree and copy to the web site?. Or do we check it >out, build locally and "install" into a sandbox for the website? The existing repository in cygwin/xfree that currently holds the web pages is already auto-mirrored. Anything that gets checked in there shows up on the web server automatically. cgf From choiks@nuri.net Sun May 27 17:44:00 2001 From: choiks@nuri.net (ÃÖ±â¼ö) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 17:44:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin XFree is not display 2Byte Character ( one more question ) Message-ID: I use Cygwin 1.3.2 with XFree 4.0.3 on Windows NT 4.0 Workstation SP6a. I compiled windowmaker 0.65 and work well. but I can't display 2Byte CJK Character in Cygwin XFree. My Question is ' Does Cygwin XFree support display 2 Byte chracter?'. If Cygwin XFree support display 2 Byte CJK Character, then what can I do? Please Help Me!!! Thanks!! From ewu@eskimo.com Sun May 27 18:15:00 2001 From: ewu@eskimo.com (Enoch Wu) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 18:15:00 -0000 Subject: Cygwin XFree is not display 2Byte Character ( one more question ) References: Message-ID: <20010527183137.B3962343@MELON> On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 09:41:51AM +0900, ???????????????????????? wrote: > I use Cygwin 1.3.2 with XFree 4.0.3 on Windows NT 4.0 Workstation SP6a. > > I compiled windowmaker 0.65 and work well. > but I can't display 2Byte CJK Character in Cygwin XFree. > > My Question is ' Does Cygwin XFree support display 2 Byte chracter?'. I know that XFree did not automatically support 2-byte character. Programmers had to hack xterm and X to get them to display CJK 2-byte character. I did compile a specially hacked xterm and specially hacked vi editor to get them to display an Asian language - Chinese. I believe I answered this question before but perhaps vaguely. I may be wrong because I have not worked with XFree version 4 in Chinese lately. I worked on XFree version 3 to display Chinese in 2-byte format. So perhaps Suhaib and Harold are up to date on the capability of XFree and XWin.exe > > If Cygwin XFree support display 2 Byte CJK Character, then what can I do? > > Please Help Me!!! > Thanks!! It appears that you are looking for Japanese support. If so, you may want to consider obtaining the sources for Turbolinux's XFree, They support Chinese and Japanese languages. Hope this helps EW From ewu@eskimo.com Sun May 27 21:34:00 2001 From: ewu@eskimo.com (Enoch Wu) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:34:00 -0000 Subject: Going startxwin.sh? References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A9E@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010527215033.A3943535@MELON> On Sun, May 27, 2001 at 08:48:17PM +0200, Andrew Markebo wrote: > > Potential problem.. or maybe not, I don't have a > /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc on my linux machine.. Hmm meanwhile startx > looks the same, probably no need to worry then.. Where do I tell the > x-server which resolution, video-mode and so on? > > /Andy You can do it. The X manual (man X) is so unclear but I figured it out for myself. The X Window Users' Guide is also unclear but I figured it out for myself. It looks like you are getting close to your solution. Keep trying. You can do it! If all else fails, I'll help you. However, I love to see people solve problems, or at least give it a good try first. :-) EW PS. Its good for you. From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Sun May 27 23:32:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:32:00 -0000 Subject: kvt can't open pseudo terminal Message-ID: <000001c0e740$298c2ef0$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> Hi, while porting kde I have found, that kvt can't open a pseudo terminal device /dev/ptv.. like on linux available. I have searched this mailing list but don't found any relating mail. Can anynone tell me, how this is implemented on cygwin ? Thanks Ralf Habacker EMail: Ralf@habacker.de Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com From Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com Mon May 28 00:11:00 2001 From: Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com (Ralf Habacker) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:11:00 -0000 Subject: AW: Help with Xfree, KDE References: Message-ID: <002101c0e744$192e9710$6e032bb7@BRAMSCHE> > -----Urspr????ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]Im Auftrag von Mellor, > Mike > Gesendet am: Samstag, 26. Mai 2001 03:57 > An: Harold Hunt; cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Betreff: Help with Xfree, KDE > > I have installed XFree86 under Cygwin, and can get it to run, but I have > several questions (and probably all inappropriate for this list, but here > goes): :) > > Should each application running under X have a Win95 application > running as > well (I see each of the applications running along the taskbar, > and each has > its own dos box)? > > What shell is running in Xterm and rxvt? I am having trouble with simple > commands (cd /usr/bin returns an error). Also, there is no > command history > (which I do have under CLI Cygwin with BASH). > > I am trying to run KDE. I have added to the PATH for both the qt dll and > the kde dll. startxwin.bat seems to start correctly (no error > messages) but > the terminal programs have no border (just boxes that do not respond to > input). Have you installed the kdemisc packages ? If so, you should start kde with "startx &" from a bash shell. startxwin isn't supported yet Regards Ralf From salah.zerrougui@primetech.ca Mon May 28 04:38:00 2001 From: salah.zerrougui@primetech.ca (Salah Zerrougui) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 04:38:00 -0000 Subject: Broadcast mode Message-ID: Alexander, Thanks for the answer. >If you still need it, you will have to write an option -indirect-broadcast, >which will send an BroadcastQuery and then an IndirectQuery to the first >responding host. Instead i'll make an entry in the DNS (Xbroadcast), and every time the host is down i'll change it to some other host. so my startxwin.bat will be like this -indirect Xbroadcast. and that enough for me. Thanks, Salah. From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon May 28 05:47:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 05:47:00 -0000 Subject: kvt can't open pseudo terminal Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A9F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralf Habacker [ mailto:Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com ] > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:34 AM > To: Cygwin-Xfree > Subject: kvt can't open pseudo terminal > > Hi, > > while porting kde I have found, that kvt can't open a pseudo terminal > device > /dev/ptv.. like on linux available. > I have searched this mailing list but don't found any relating mail. > > Can anynone tell me, how this is implemented on cygwin ? I do not think /dev/ptv is implemented in Cygwin. You need to add It to cygwin, yourself. You can ask at cygwin mailing list. Suhaib > > Thanks > > Ralf Habacker > EMail: Ralf@habacker.de > Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com From cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Mon May 28 06:34:00 2001 From: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com (Corinna Vinschen) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 06:34:00 -0000 Subject: kvt can't open pseudo terminal References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29A9F@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010528153418.G7365@cygbert.vinschen.de> On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 08:47:06AM -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ralf Habacker [ mailto:Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com ] > > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:34 AM > > To: Cygwin-Xfree > > Subject: kvt can't open pseudo terminal > > > > Hi, > > > > while porting kde I have found, that kvt can't open a pseudo terminal > > device > > /dev/ptv.. like on linux available. > > I have searched this mailing list but don't found any relating mail. > > > > Can anynone tell me, how this is implemented on cygwin ? > > > I do not think /dev/ptv is implemented in Cygwin. You need to add > It to cygwin, yourself. You can ask at cygwin mailing list. Try streams ptys: master = open ("/dev/ptmx", ...); grantpt(master); unlockpt(master); slave = open (ptsname(master), ...); Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Developer mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com Red Hat, Inc. From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Mon May 28 07:08:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 07:08:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <20010527195107.A27303@redhat.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c0e77f$8e3eb130$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Faylor" To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 > > > >Thank you. > > > >Next question: can we run scripts on that server to generate web site > >content from the cvs tree and copy to the web site?. Or do we check it > >out, build locally and "install" into a sandbox for the website? > > The existing repository in cygwin/xfree that currently holds the web > pages is already auto-mirrored. Anything that gets checked in there > shows up on the web server automatically. Uhmm, yeah I know that. (Xfree86/Cygwin web site page maintainer :]) What I mean is, it would be neat to be able to change a xml source file in the doc module, and have a script run (say nightly, or even just via ssh) that checkouts a sandbox of the doc module, builds the doco and "installs" that into the web pages. (presumably by dropping it into a checkedout web module and checking that in). The point being that vaguaries of maintainers machines and timetables could be reduced... Rob > cgf > From karl.philipp@danet.de Mon May 28 09:16:00 2001 From: karl.philipp@danet.de (Karl Philipp) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:16:00 -0000 Subject: Java problems with Cygwin/XFree via XDMCP Message-ID: Hello, if we start a java program on a remote sun machine using Cygwin/XFree via XDMCP, i.e. XWin -screen 0 1280x1024x32 -query -from on a WinNT Client we receive the error message KPH> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.Error: can't load KPH> javax.swing.plaf.metal.MetalLookAndFeel KPH> at java.lang.Throwable.fillInStackTrace(Native Method) KPH> at java.lang.Throwable.fillInStackTrace(Compiled Code) KPH> at java.lang.Throwable.(Compiled Code) KPH> at java.lang.Error.(Error.java:50) KPH> at javax.swing.UIManager.initializeDefaultLAF(UIManager.java:856) KPH> at javax.swing.UIManager.initialize(UIManager.java:926) KPH> at javax.swing.UIManager.maybeInitialize(UIManager.java:948) KPH> at javax.swing.UIManager.getDefaults(UIManager.java:447) KPH> at javax.swing.UIManager.put(UIManager.java:549) KPH> at com.vitria.est.console.ConsoleLib.main(Compiled Code) if we use instead of Cygwin/XFree the commercial x-server EXCEED the java program works well. Any idea of solution? greetings Karl --- Karl Philipp Phone : +49 6151 868 - 518 Fax : +49 6151 868 - 980 eMail : mailto:karl.philipp@danet.de Danet GmbH, Business Unit BI Gutenbergstr. 10 64331 Weiterstadt, Germany WWW : http://www.danet.de From gert.bartholomeeusen@eng.ox.ac.uk Mon May 28 12:23:00 2001 From: gert.bartholomeeusen@eng.ox.ac.uk (Gert Bartholomeeusen) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:23:00 -0000 Subject: Cannot open display Message-ID: <3B12A55E.8070009@eng.ox.ac.uk> Dear Cygwin People, I have trouble getting the xfree86 to work with Cygwin. I followed the installation instructions through ( http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-ug.html ) When I come to the 'startxwin.bat' I get 'Can't open display'. (Clicking the batch file made a couple DOS-boxes flash up and off) I tried start XWin first and afterwards an Xterm $ XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine -4 $ xterm Xt error: Can't open display: Changing SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 to my ip-address did not help. What can I test next? Thanks, Gert From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon May 28 12:51:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:51:00 -0000 Subject: Cannot open display Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AA0@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> >From Cygwin bash shell if you type Export DISPLAT=127.0.0.1:0.0 Then XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine -4& Does Xserver starts? If not post the exact error messages, please. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Gert Bartholomeeusen [ mailto:gert.bartholomeeusen@eng.ox.ac.uk ] > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 3:22 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Cannot open display > > Dear Cygwin People, > I have trouble getting the xfree86 to work with Cygwin. I followed > the > installation instructions through > ( http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/howto/cygwin-xfree-ug.html ) When I come > to the 'startxwin.bat' I get 'Can't open display'. (Clicking the batch > file made a couple DOS-boxes flash up and off) > I tried start XWin first and afterwards an Xterm > $ XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine -4 > > $ xterm Xt error: Can't open display: > > Changing SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 to my ip-address did not help. > What can I test next? > Thanks, > Gert From cgf@redhat.com Mon May 28 14:56:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:56:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <20010527195107.A27303@redhat.com> <00fc01c0e77f$8e3eb130$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010528175658.A30093@redhat.com> On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 12:07:38AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Christopher Faylor" >To: >Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 9:51 AM >Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 > > >> > >> >Thank you. >> > >> >Next question: can we run scripts on that server to generate web site >> >content from the cvs tree and copy to the web site?. Or do we check >it >> >out, build locally and "install" into a sandbox for the website? >> >> The existing repository in cygwin/xfree that currently holds the web >> pages is already auto-mirrored. Anything that gets checked in there >> shows up on the web server automatically. > >Uhmm, yeah I know that. (Xfree86/Cygwin web site page maintainer :]) I guess my subtle hint wasn't enough. >What I mean is, it would be neat to be able to change a xml source file >in the doc module, and have a script run (say nightly, or even just via >ssh) that checkouts a sandbox of the doc module, builds the doco and >"installs" that into the web pages. (presumably by dropping it into a >checkedout web module and checking that in). I don't see any reason to have this running on the server. You could as easily generate a script that you could run on your own system that did everything you needed. So, I guess the short answer to your question is "No. There is no way to do this on sources.redhat.com." cgf From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Mon May 28 15:06:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:06:00 -0000 Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Cygwin/XFree86 DocBook-based FAQ Draft 4 References: <20010527195107.A27303@redhat.com> <00fc01c0e77f$8e3eb130$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010528175658.A30093@redhat.com> Message-ID: <025c01c0e7c2$58331bb0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Faylor" > > I guess my subtle hint wasn't enough. Gotcha. Rob From gerrit.haase@t-online.de Mon May 28 15:23:00 2001 From: gerrit.haase@t-online.de (Gerrit P. Haase) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:23:00 -0000 Subject: enlightenment References: <038A897BC8D6064E928A60BA14CC0F5A82F58A@lgchexch004.ad.lgc.com> Message-ID: <3B12EC04.25641.15FB708E@localhost> Jerome David schrieb am 2001-05-25, 13:58: > I've seen soon of you have compiled enlightenment. > I have recompiled xfree with shared memory enabled > and added -lcygipc in Makefiles, but I am still > getting some errors: > > /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/actions.c:275: undefined reference to > `_imp__gettext' /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/actions.c:277: undefined > reference to `_imp__gettext' Maybe it will be enough to link against /lib/libintl.a? -- =^..^= From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Mon May 28 18:03:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 18:03:00 -0000 Subject: Java problems with Cygwin/XFree via XDMCP Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AA3@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> No idea how to fix it? Is there any Java expert who has any suggestions? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Philipp [ mailto:karl.philipp@danet.de ] > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 12:24 PM > To: [List] Cygwin/XFree86 > Cc: Lutz Batroff > Subject: Java problems with Cygwin/XFree via XDMCP > > Hello, > > if we start a java program on a remote sun machine using Cygwin/XFree via > XDMCP, > i.e. > > XWin -screen 0 1280x1024x32 -query -from > > on a WinNT Client > > we receive the error message > > KPH> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.Error: can't load > KPH> javax.swing.plaf.metal.MetalLookAndFeel > KPH> at java.lang.Throwable.fillInStackTrace(Native Method) > KPH> at java.lang.Throwable.fillInStackTrace(Compiled Code) > KPH> at java.lang.Throwable.(Compiled Code) > KPH> at java.lang.Error.(Error.java:50) > KPH> at > javax.swing.UIManager.initializeDefaultLAF(UIManager.java:856) > KPH> at javax.swing.UIManager.initialize(UIManager.java:926) > KPH> at javax.swing.UIManager.maybeInitialize(UIManager.java:948) > KPH> at javax.swing.UIManager.getDefaults(UIManager.java:447) > KPH> at javax.swing.UIManager.put(UIManager.java:549) > KPH> at com.vitria.est.console.ConsoleLib.main(Compiled Code) > > if we use instead of Cygwin/XFree the commercial x-server EXCEED > > the java program works well. > > Any idea of solution? > > greetings > > Karl > > --- > Karl Philipp > > Phone : +49 6151 868 - 518 > Fax : +49 6151 868 - 980 > eMail : mailto:karl.philipp@danet.de > > Danet GmbH, Business Unit BI > Gutenbergstr. 10 > 64331 Weiterstadt, Germany > WWW : http://www.danet.de From ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro Mon May 28 22:50:00 2001 From: ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro (claude) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:50:00 -0000 Subject: Cannot open display References: <3B12A55E.8070009@eng.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Gert, I ran into the same problem recently. The problem was in the original startxwin.bat file, the line launching XWin was faulty, XWin wasn't starting at all. So it's normal that xterm was reporting the error "Can't open display", because no X server was running. I modified that line to look like: start XWin :0 -ac -screen 0 1152x864x32 -fullscreen Maybe -ac and -fullscreen aren't really necessary for you to start it. Claude On Mon, 28 May 2001, Gert Bartholomeeusen wrote: > to the 'startxwin.bat' I get 'Can't open display'. (Clicking the batch > file made a couple DOS-boxes flash up and off) > I tried start XWin first and afterwards an Xterm > $ XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine -4 > > $ xterm Xt error: Can't open display: > > Changing SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 to my ip-address did not help. > What can I test next? > Thanks, > Gert > From subramaniravi@hotmail.com Tue May 29 04:20:00 2001 From: subramaniravi@hotmail.com (Ravi Subramani) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 04:20:00 -0000 Subject: Unable to start XWin - Core dump Message-ID: Hi, I am a new user and while starting XWin, I got the following error on the console. Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks, Ravi. --- Below this line is the error listing --- C:\>XWin -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f winSetEngine () - Using user's preference: 4 winAdjustVideoModeShadowDDNL () - Command line depth: 32, using depth: 8 winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1018 height 742 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 00000000 00000000 00000000 RGB 0 d 8 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Calling miSetVisualTypesAndMasks winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning 0 [main] XWin 1148 handle_exceptions: Exception: STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO 640 [main] XWin 1148 open_stackdumpfile: Dumping stack trace to XWin.exe.stackdump --- End -- From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 29 04:24:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 04:24:00 -0000 Subject: Unable to start XWin - Core dump Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AA6@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Your windows depth is set to 8 bits. Change it to 16 or 32 and also change XWIN command line accordingly, e.g For 16 bit Windows display XWin -screen 0 1024x768x16 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Ravi Subramani [ mailto:subramaniravi@hotmail.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:20 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: Unable to start XWin - Core dump > > > Hi, > > I am a new user and while starting XWin, I got the following > error on the console. > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Ravi. > > --- Below this line is the error listing --- > > C:\>XWin -screen 0 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to > root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines > 0000000f winSetEngine () - Using user's preference: 4 > winAdjustVideoModeShadowDDNL () - Command line depth: 32, > using depth: 8 winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - > WindowClient width 1018 height 742 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL > () - Masks 00000000 00000000 00000000 RGB 0 d 8 > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Calling > miSetVisualTypesAndMasks winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning > 0 [main] XWin 1148 handle_exceptions: Exception: > STATUS_INTEGER_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO > 640 [main] XWin 1148 open_stackdumpfile: Dumping stack > trace to XWin.exe.stackdump > > --- End -- > From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 29 04:41:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 04:41:00 -0000 Subject: Unable to start XWin - Core dump References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AA6@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: I'm thinking about removing the depth value from the -screen parameter and adding a -depth or -bpp parameter that will only be used when the engine type is 1 or 2 and -fullscreen is specified. That way new user's won't see the x16 and think that they are running in 16 bit mode. What do you think of that? Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 29 04:44:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 04:44:00 -0000 Subject: Unable to start XWin - Core dump Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AA7@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:42 AM > To: cygx > Subject: RE: Unable to start XWin - Core dump > > > I'm thinking about removing the depth value from the -screen > parameter and adding a -depth or -bpp parameter that will > only be used when the engine type is 1 or 2 and -fullscreen > is specified. That way new user's won't see the x16 and > think that they are running in 16 bit mode. > > What do you think of that? Good idea. Feel free to post your proposed xwin command line.... Or best add it to FAQ? Suhaib > > Harold > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 05:07:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 05:07:00 -0000 Subject: Unable to start XWin - Core dump References: Message-ID: <00e001c0e837$e9d09460$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> I think it;s a bad idea. Keep the syntax the unix way. Adding extra debug info and error checking is good though. i.e. if the user specifies a different depth in the -screen from the current windows depth, behave as though -fullscreen has been specified. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "cygx" Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: RE: Unable to start XWin - Core dump > I'm thinking about removing the depth value from the -screen parameter and > adding a -depth or -bpp parameter that will only be used when the engine > type is 1 or 2 and -fullscreen is specified. That way new user's won't see > the x16 and think that they are running in 16 bit mode. > > What do you think of that? > > Harold > > From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Tue May 29 05:22:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 05:22:00 -0000 Subject: Unable to start XWin - Core dump References: <00e001c0e837$e9d09460$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 May 2001, Robert Collins wrote: > I think it;s a bad idea. Keep the syntax the unix way. Adding extra > debug info and error checking is good though. Xnest uses -geometry WxH+X+Y to specify width, height and position and -depth to specify colordepth. Same is for Xvnc, except the position which is ommitted. Even Xfree86 uses the -depth option. Using -depth is the common way. bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 05:22:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 05:22:00 -0000 Subject: Unable to start XWin - Core dump References: Message-ID: <010a01c0e839$fd7a6250$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> OOOOPPPS. I eat me words. Munch munch. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Gottwald" To: "Robert Collins" Cc: "Harold Hunt" ; "cygx" Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Unable to start XWin - Core dump > On Tue, 29 May 2001, Robert Collins wrote: > > > I think it;s a bad idea. Keep the syntax the unix way. Adding extra > > debug info and error checking is good though. > > Xnest uses -geometry WxH+X+Y to specify width, height and position and > -depth to specify colordepth. Same is for Xvnc, except the position which > is ommitted. Even Xfree86 uses the -depth option. Using -depth is the > common way. > > bye > ago > -- > Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de > http://www.gotti.org > +49 3725 349 80 80 > > From francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr Tue May 29 05:27:00 2001 From: francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr (Francis VIVAT) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 05:27:00 -0000 Subject: Unable to start XWin - Core dump References: <010a01c0e839$fd7a6250$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <042701c0e83a$fb464ed0$65ad34c1@cetp.ipsl.fr> Bon appetit ! ;-) CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . | CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) . \---------------------------------------------------/ . (_) (_) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Collins" To: "Alexander Gottwald" Cc: "Harold Hunt" ; "cygx" Sent: mardi 29 mai 2001 14:22 Subject: Re: Unable to start XWin - Core dump > OOOOPPPS. > > I eat me words. Munch munch. > > Rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexander Gottwald" > > To: "Robert Collins" > Cc: "Harold Hunt" ; "cygx" > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: Unable to start XWin - Core dump > > > > On Tue, 29 May 2001, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > > I think it;s a bad idea. Keep the syntax the unix way. Adding extra > > > debug info and error checking is good though. > > > > Xnest uses -geometry WxH+X+Y to specify width, height and position and > > -depth to specify colordepth. Same is for Xvnc, except the position > which > > is ommitted. Even Xfree86 uses the -depth option. Using -depth is the > > common way. > > > > bye > > ago > > -- > > Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de > > http://www.gotti.org > > +49 3725 349 80 80 > > > > > > From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 29 05:28:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 05:28:00 -0000 Subject: Parameters and options (WAS: Unable to start XWin - Core dump) References: <00e001c0e837$e9d09460$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: Rob, > I think it's a bad idea. Keep the syntax the unix way. As far as I can see, from man X, the UNIX way is not to even have a -screen parameter. The -screen parameter came from the initial files that were copied from the vfb server code. You can run as many vfb servers as you'd like for whatever purposes you would like (as they are not connected to a physical display), so it doesn't make sense to have a config file, such as XF86Config, for the vfb server. I don't see any problems with changing the -screen parameters since the original -screen parameter was copied verbatim from vfb, which was fine for the original server (c.a. 2000-06-01) that always ran in fullscreen mode using DirectDraw and therefore was always able to adjust the video mode to that specified on the command line. We can't follow that behavior now because neither the GDI modes, windowed or fullscreen, nor the windowed DirectDraw modes can change the display mode. I think that having a value on a parameter that is ignored in 4 out of 6 cases tends to confuse new users :) Harold From David.Billinghurst@riotinto.com Tue May 29 05:58:00 2001 From: David.Billinghurst@riotinto.com (Billinghurst, David (CRTS)) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 05:58:00 -0000 Subject: cygxfree doco 1.0h Message-ID: <8D00C32549556B4E977F81DBC24E985D1B1A49@crtsmail1.technol_exch.corp.riotinto.org> > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins [SMTP:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au] > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 12:51 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: cygxfree doco 1.0h > > Volunteers wanted! The following packages are needed to build the doco: > [o]nsgmls(found in jade/openjade). > xsltproc(found in libxslt). > [Billinghurst, David (CRTS)] I had a working openjade-1.3 installation. libxml2-2.3.9 built with your patch, when configured with --without-iconv. There were a few html test failures that I haven't investigated. libxslt-0.10.0 also built with your patch. No obvious problems. cygxfree docs configured OK. make in cg failed. Needed to install Docbook 4.1.2 where openjade could find it ( /usr/local/share/sgml/ ) and update catalog. Then worked OK and html docs looked goog make in ug ditto. make in faq. Needed to change path to docbookx.dtd at top of cygwin-xfree-faq.xml. Built with a few error messages (below), but still generated reasonable looking html. Be nice if xsltproc used the same catalogs as openjade. xsltproc --warnnet --param html.stylesheet "'../xfree86.css'" --param base.dir "'` pwd`/'" --param use.id.as.filename "1" /usr/local/src/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/../s tylesheets/website.xsl /usr/local/src/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.xml Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html for article Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-mailing-list. XRef to nonexistent id: q-mailing-list Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-license-xfree. XRef to nonexistent id: q-license-xfree Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-license-cygwin. XRef to nonexistent id: q-license-cygwin Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-copyright-xfree. XRef to nonexistent id: q-copyright-xfree Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-copyright-cygwin. XRef to nonexistent id: q-copyright-cygwin Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-modmap-obtaining. XRef to nonexistent id: q-modmap-obtaining Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-bash-8bit. XRef to nonexistent id: q-bash-8bit Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-editors. XRef to nonexistent id: q-editors Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-contrib-diff. XRef to nonexistent id: q-contrib-diff Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-winzip. XRef to nonexistent id: q-winzip Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-error-font-eof. XRef to nonexistent id: q-error-font-eof Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-winzip. XRef to nonexistent id: q-winzip Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/biblio.html for bibliography Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/glossary.html for glossary Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl.html for appendix Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl-applicability-and-definitions.html for sect1 Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl-verbation-copying.html for sect1 Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl-copying-in-quantity.html for sect1 Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl-modifications.html for sect1 Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl-combining-documents.html for sect1 Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl-collections-of-documents.html for sect1 Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl-aggregation-with-independent-works .html for sect1 Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl-translation.html for sect1 Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl-termination.html for sect1 Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl-future-revisions-of-this-license.h tml for sect1 Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/gfdl-using-for-your-documents.htmlor sect1 From karl.philipp@danet.de Tue May 29 06:12:00 2001 From: karl.philipp@danet.de (Karl Philipp) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:12:00 -0000 Subject: AW: Parameters and options (WAS: Unable to start XWin - Core dump) References: Message-ID: Hi, can we implement a parameter '-h' resp. '--help' (GNU syntax)? greetings Karl --- Karl Philipp Phone : +49 6151 868 - 518 Fax : +49 6151 868 - 980 eMail : mailto:karl.philipp@danet.de Danet GmbH, Business Unit BI Gutenbergstr. 10 64331 Weiterstadt, Germany WWW : http://www.danet.de From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 06:14:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:14:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <00a601c0e41e$6733e560$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <013501c0e436$b046a2c0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <013401c0e841$2e2ec830$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> >Robert said > *) I've now started on the stylesheet for integrating to the website. > (See http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01535.html ). http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0i.tar.gz Well, this now produces layout that I'm (mostly) happy with. Feedback requested! (NOT THE CONTENT :]). Just the layout and appearance. To view this on a local, machine you need to grab the cygwin xfree86 web site sandbox, which has the graphics files needed. If you just want to see hwat it looks like, without building it: http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/xfree86/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html (note that the user guide and contrib guide aren't yet ready for comment). Cores changes: * Use the included docbook stylesheets and dtd's. * Validates as html and correct css. * Looks like the current web page. Rob From JDavid@lgc.com Tue May 29 06:22:00 2001 From: JDavid@lgc.com (Jerome David) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:22:00 -0000 Subject: enlightenment Message-ID: <038A897BC8D6064E928A60BA14CC0F5A82F592@lgchexch004.ad.lgc.com> There's a -L/lib in the gcc command line. Isn't that enough ? -----Original Message----- From: Gerrit P. Haase [ mailto:gerrit.haase@t-online.de ] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 5:24 PM To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: Re: enlightenment Jerome David schrieb am 2001-05-25, 13:58: > I've seen soon of you have compiled enlightenment. > I have recompiled xfree with shared memory enabled > and added -lcygipc in Makefiles, but I am still > getting some errors: > > /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/actions.c:275: undefined reference to > `_imp__gettext' /usr/src/enlightenment-0.16.5/src/actions.c:277: undefined > reference to `_imp__gettext' Maybe it will be enough to link against /lib/libintl.a? -- =^..^= From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 06:30:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:30:00 -0000 Subject: cygxfree doco 1.0h References: <8D00C32549556B4E977F81DBC24E985D1B1A49@crtsmail1.technol_exch.corp.riotinto.org> Message-ID: <016401c0e843$7b47a680$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billinghurst, David (CRTS)" > > [Billinghurst, David (CRTS)] Thank you for testing and providing excellent feedback. > I had a working openjade-1.3 installation. > > libxml2-2.3.9 built with your patch, when configured with > --without-iconv. There were a few html test failures that I haven't > investigated. Excellent. I'd be interested in knowning the html test failures.. > libxslt-0.10.0 also built with your patch. No obvious problems. That patch was bad (with output to std out and method html you'll get two doctypes. [as mentioned in my email] - I've updated it to be hopefully correct and emailed it to the gnome-xslt list. If you want the patch its' only 20k - let me know). > cygxfree docs configured OK. > > make in cg failed. Needed to install Docbook 4.1.2 where openjade > could find it ( /usr/local/share/sgml/ ) and update catalog. Then worked OK > and html docs looked goog This is expected - Other than by duplicating the catalog handling code fro openjade, there's little way to be sure that a user has the docbook dtd's installed. Fortunately they are fairly small for the xml ones, and I'm including them in the archive now. (yeah 500k is annoying, but there's only one xsl processor that understands catalogs and it's a java extension - see my last email about choice of processors :/ ). > make in ug ditto. > > make in faq. Needed to change path to docbookx.dtd at top of > cygwin-xfree-faq.xml. Built with a few error messages (below), but still > generated reasonable looking html. Be nice if xsltproc used the same > catalogs as openjade. The path change is already done :]. > xsltproc --warnnet --param html.stylesheet "'../xfree86.css'" > --param base.dir "'` > pwd`/'" --param use.id.as.filename "1" > /usr/local/src/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/../s > tylesheets/website.xsl > /usr/local/src/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.xml > > Writing /usr/local/obj/cygxfree-doc-1.0h/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > for article this line is normal :] > Error: no ID for constraint linkend: q-mailing-list. > XRef to nonexistent id: q-mailing-list I've yet to track these down. It may be a libxslt bug, in which case it shouldn't be too hard to get it fixed. > " http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd" ;> This is IMO a libxslt bug, but it doesn't affect us. (NULL document not detected correctly). Rob From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 06:31:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:31:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: doc/stylesheets ChangeLog website.xsl fixsecti ... Message-ID: <019601c0e843$a6accfd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: doc/stylesheets ChangeLog website.xsl fixsecti ... > CVSROOT: /cvs/cygwin-xfree > Module name: doc > Changes by: rbcollins@sources.redhat.com 2001-05-29 06:05:46 > > Modified files: > stylesheets : ChangeLog website.xsl > Added files: > stylesheets : fixsections.xsl > > Log message: > fix clear: all > > Patches: > http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/doc/stylesheets/fixsections .xsl.diff?cvsroot=cygwin-xfree&r1=NONE&r2=1.1 > http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/doc/stylesheets/ChangeLog.d iff?cvsroot=cygwin-xfree&r1=1.7&r2=1.8 > http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/doc/stylesheets/website.xsl .diff?cvsroot=cygwin-xfree&r1=1.4&r2=1.5 > Chris: these patch links aren't playing :[ - is the cvsweb interface aware of the doc repository? From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 29 07:10:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:10:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: <013401c0e841$2e2ec830$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: Robert, Well, the xrefs aren't working... they say, "see ????". Also, the question numbers and question markers (Q:) and answer markers (A:) are missing. The title at the top of the FAQ is repeated twice (Cygwin/XFree86 Frequently Asked Questions) in the same font, then once more right below that in a larger font. Weird. Of course, I like the standard DocBook stylesheets, but I'm open to new options. Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Robert > Collins > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:14 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. > > > >Robert said > > *) I've now started on the stylesheet for integrating to the website. > > (See > http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01535.html ). > > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0i.tar.gz > > Well, this now produces layout that I'm (mostly) happy with. > > Feedback requested! (NOT THE CONTENT :]). Just the layout and > appearance. > > To view this on a local, machine you need to grab the cygwin xfree86 web > site sandbox, which has the graphics files needed. > > If you just want to see hwat it looks like, without building it: > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/xfree86/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > > (note that the user guide and contrib guide aren't yet ready for > comment). > > Cores changes: > * Use the included docbook stylesheets and dtd's. > * Validates as html and correct css. > * Looks like the current web page. > > Rob > From flognat@flognat.myip.org Tue May 29 07:52:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:52:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <00a601c0e41e$6733e560$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <013501c0e436$b046a2c0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <013401c0e841$2e2ec830$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: To be honest.. I dislike having the index (Cygwin home, Cygwin/xfree86 home, development.. ) to the left (right too) of a long text.. it steals margin - if you scroll down a bit you have a white left margin.. Alternative might be putting it as a line at the top of the page?? Is it possible to number and highlight the questions like 7.1 Q _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root instead of: [plain text]_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root The contents in the beginning.. feels a little big.. maybe survivable but..? :-) alternative having the toplevel groups there, and then the subgroups local at each 'topic'?? Maybe not.. they are probably easily browsed through.. Is it possible to move Licenses Patents and so on down a bit?? I mean.. if you have a problem you throw this page an eye and only see ". General Information " and "Licenses, Patents, Trademarks, and Copyrights " and then think.. naah no interesting here.. /Andy / "Robert Collins" wrote: | >Robert said | > *) I've now started on the stylesheet for integrating to the website. | > (See | http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01535.html ). | | | http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0i.tar.gz | | Well, this now produces layout that I'm (mostly) happy with. | | Feedback requested! (NOT THE CONTENT :]). Just the layout and | appearance. | | To view this on a local, machine you need to grab the cygwin xfree86 web | site sandbox, which has the graphics files needed. | | If you just want to see hwat it looks like, without building it: | | http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/xfree86/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html | | (note that the user guide and contrib guide aren't yet ready for | comment). | | Cores changes: | * Use the included docbook stylesheets and dtd's. | * Validates as html and correct css. | * Looks like the current web page. | | Rob From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Tue May 29 08:08:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:08:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AAE@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Layout and appearance look fine to me :-) Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Collins [ mailto:robert.collins@itdomain.com.au ] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:14 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. > > > >Robert said > > *) I've now started on the stylesheet for integrating to > the website. > >(See > http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01535.html ). > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0i.tar.gz Well, this now produces layout that I'm (mostly) happy with. Feedback requested! (NOT THE CONTENT :]). Just the layout and appearance. To view this on a local, machine you need to grab the cygwin xfree86 web site sandbox, which has the graphics files needed. If you just want to see hwat it looks like, without building it: http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/xfree86/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html (note that the user guide and contrib guide aren't yet ready for comment). Cores changes: * Use the included docbook stylesheets and dtd's. * Validates as html and correct css. * Looks like the current web page. Rob From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 29 09:55:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:55:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: Message-ID: > To be honest.. I dislike having the index (Cygwin home, Cygwin/xfree86 > home, development.. ) to the left (right too) of a long text.. it > steals margin - if you scroll down a bit you have a white left > margin.. I'm with Andrew on this. When you are reading a long document, you are reading a long document. You are not navigating a web site. I've gotten this opinion from reading the FAQs of other projects: http://www.kde.org/documentation/faq/index.html http://i18n.kde.org/teams/en/FAQ.html http://gnome.org/faqs/users-faq/ http://cygwin.com/faq/ http://www.xfree86.org/FAQ/ As far as XSL processing versus DSSSL, I have to believe that the Linux Documentation Project ( http://www.linuxdoc.org/ ) would be using XSL if it were stable; however, the LDP is still using DSSSL. If we really want to use a modified stylesheet I think we should consider using the LDP stylesheet, rather than rolling our own. Creating a stylesheet for documentation is not something to be taken lightly, there are all sorts of issues and conventions involved that we mere mortals cannot grasp. I really want to stick with either the default DocBook stylesheet using DSSSL, the LDP stylesheet (which appears to only be available as DSSSL), or the stylesheet from some other reputable documentation project. I do not want to be creating our own stylesheet. Harold From cgf@redhat.com Tue May 29 11:19:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:19:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: doc/stylesheets ChangeLog website.xsl fixsecti ... References: <019601c0e843$a6accfd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010529141907.A7085@redhat.com> On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 11:31:21PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >> Patches: >> > http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/doc/stylesheets/fixsections >.xsl.diff?cvsroot=cygwin-xfree&r1=NONE&r2=1.1 >> > http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/doc/stylesheets/ChangeLog.d >iff?cvsroot=cygwin-xfree&r1=1.7&r2=1.8 >> > http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/doc/stylesheets/website.xsl >.diff?cvsroot=cygwin-xfree&r1=1.4&r2=1.5 > >Chris: these patch links aren't playing :[ - is the cvsweb interface >aware of the doc repository? Fixed. I missed a step in the labyrinthian CVS repository setup instructions. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Tue May 29 14:57:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:57:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: Message-ID: <20010529175716.A12579@redhat.com> On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 12:55:26PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: >> To be honest.. I dislike having the index (Cygwin home, Cygwin/xfree86 >> home, development.. ) to the left (right too) of a long text.. it >> steals margin - if you scroll down a bit you have a white left >> margin.. > >I'm with Andrew on this. When you are reading a long document, you are >reading a long document. You are not navigating a web site. I've gotten >this opinion from reading the FAQs of other projects: > http://www.kde.org/documentation/faq/index.html > http://i18n.kde.org/teams/en/FAQ.html > http://gnome.org/faqs/users-faq/ > http://cygwin.com/faq/ > http://www.xfree86.org/FAQ/ Oddly enough, I have always considered it a bug that the cygwin faq did not display that bar on the left. For a long time, text on the cygwin web pages actually jumped to column 1 when it hit the end of the bar. I never liked that layout, either. I'm not a fan of excesive white space but the extra margin invoked by the bar on the left never really bothered me for some reason. cgf From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 15:06:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:06:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: Message-ID: <01db01c0e88b$897b47f0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "cygx" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:10 AM Subject: RE: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. > Robert, > > Well, the xrefs aren't working... they say, "see ????". Yes. That's the errors that are being spat out by xsltproc. > Also, the question numbers and question markers (Q:) and answer markers (A:) > are missing. I think this is related. > The title at the top of the FAQ is repeated twice (Cygwin/XFree86 Frequently > Asked Questions) in the same font, then once more right below that in a > larger font. Weird. There's a website stylesheet header, and then the docbook page header. On the docbook first page there is a problem :] > Of course, I like the standard DocBook stylesheets, but I'm open to new > options. Well, xsl and xml are _very_ flexible, we don't need to use docbook at all. However... it does do stuff that we would have to reproduce otherwise - chunking, autonumbering etc. Thanks for looking, and picking up on most of my "mostly" happy concerns. Rob > Harold > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Robert > > Collins > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:14 AM > > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > > Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. > > > > > > >Robert said > > > *) I've now started on the stylesheet for integrating to the website. > > > (See > > http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01535.html ). > > > > > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0i.tar.gz > > > > Well, this now produces layout that I'm (mostly) happy with. > > > > Feedback requested! (NOT THE CONTENT :]). Just the layout and > > appearance. > > > > To view this on a local, machine you need to grab the cygwin xfree86 web > > site sandbox, which has the graphics files needed. > > > > If you just want to see hwat it looks like, without building it: > > > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/xfree86/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > > > > (note that the user guide and contrib guide aren't yet ready for > > comment). > > > > Cores changes: > > * Use the included docbook stylesheets and dtd's. > > * Validates as html and correct css. > > * Looks like the current web page. > > > > Rob > > > > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 15:10:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:10:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <00a601c0e41e$6733e560$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <013501c0e436$b046a2c0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <013401c0e841$2e2ec830$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <01e501c0e88c$1e7c9340$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Markebo" To: "Robert Collins" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: Re: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. > To be honest.. I dislike having the index (Cygwin home, Cygwin/xfree86 > home, development.. ) to the left (right too) of a long text.. it > steals margin - if you scroll down a bit you have a white left > margin.. I'm aiming for the same look and feel as the rest of the XFree86/cygwin site. That is: if we move it here, we should move it on the other site pages as well. Currently it derives nicely off the Cygwin home page too, which is good. I'm open to discussion on this though :] > Alternative might be putting it as a line at the top of the page?? > > Is it possible to number and highlight the questions like > 7.1 Q _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > > instead of: > [plain text]_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to > root Uhmm, yes. Thats one of my "mostly" caveats. > The contents in the beginning.. feels a little big.. maybe survivable > but..? :-) alternative having the toplevel groups there, and then the > subgroups local at each 'topic'?? So a summary toc, and then a per top level question toc ? That should be doable... I don't have an opinion on that one way or another just yet. Anyone else have thoughts on this? > Maybe not.. they are probably easily browsed through.. > > Is it possible to move Licenses Patents and so on down a bit?? I > mean.. if you have a problem you throw this page an eye and only see > ". General Information " and "Licenses, Patents, Trademarks, and > Copyrights " and then think.. naah no interesting here.. Your into content here :] Thanks for the feedback, Rob > /Andy > > > / "Robert Collins" wrote: > | >Robert said > | > *) I've now started on the stylesheet for integrating to the website. > | > (See > | http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01535.html ). > | > | > | http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/cygxfree-doc-1.0i.tar.gz > | > | Well, this now produces layout that I'm (mostly) happy with. > | > | Feedback requested! (NOT THE CONTENT :]). Just the layout and > | appearance. > | > | To view this on a local, machine you need to grab the cygwin xfree86 web > | site sandbox, which has the graphics files needed. > | > | If you just want to see hwat it looks like, without building it: > | > | http://users.bigpond.net.au/robertc/xfree86/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > | > | (note that the user guide and contrib guide aren't yet ready for > | comment). > | > | Cores changes: > | * Use the included docbook stylesheets and dtd's. > | * Validates as html and correct css. > | * Looks like the current web page. > | > | Rob > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 15:15:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:15:00 -0000 Subject: Fw: doc/stylesheets ChangeLog website.xsl fixsecti ... References: <019601c0e843$a6accfd0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <20010529141907.A7085@redhat.com> Message-ID: <026e01c0e88c$dac62ca0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Faylor" > > Fixed. > > I missed a step in the labyrinthian CVS repository setup instructions. > > cgf > "Someone" really should script that :]. Thanks, Rob From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 15:57:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:57:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: Message-ID: <031c01c0e892$a267e140$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "cygx" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:55 AM Subject: RE: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. > > To be honest.. I dislike having the index (Cygwin home, Cygwin/xfree86 > > home, development.. ) to the left (right too) of a long text.. it > > steals margin - if you scroll down a bit you have a white left > > margin.. > > I'm with Andrew on this. When you are reading a long document, you are > reading a long document. You are not navigating a web site. I've gotten > this opinion from reading the FAQs of other projects: > http://www.kde.org/documentation/faq/index.html > http://i18n.kde.org/teams/en/FAQ.html > http://gnome.org/faqs/users-faq/ > http://cygwin.com/faq/ > http://www.xfree86.org/FAQ/ None of them discuss why they have the layout they have - thus they are not relevant except as examples of one style of layout. they may not be happy about that themselves!. Counter examples exist with navigation of one sort or another. IMO the fact that all those projects have the exact same layout is due to them all using docbook :]. That's not a bad thing, but customising stylesheets isn't something that you do just because you want to. However: docbook is _designed_ for customisation. > As far as XSL processing versus DSSSL, I have to believe that the Linux > Documentation Project ( http://www.linuxdoc.org/ ) would be using XSL if it > were stable; however, the LDP is still using DSSSL. If we really want to > use a modified stylesheet I think we should consider using the LDP > stylesheet, rather than rolling our own. XSL vs DSSSL is not the same question as customised vs uncustomised. I'll answer both points separately. Why XSL? I've already addressed this - "Why XSL? The XSL support was a critical step. The DSSSL/SGML stylesheets are at end of life. They will be deprecated in docbook 5.0 (the next release). The XML/DSSSL variant produced non-validatable HTML. However XML with XSL is working very nicely." Why a customisation driver for the stylesheets? There are three reasons. One is that the docbook stylesheets are a lowest common denominator. They are not intended to be use unmodified, except for the simplest projects. The second reason is that there are bugs in the stylesheets, and until those bugs are rolled back into the next stable release, and we upgrade to that release, there is a need for bug-fixing drivers. The easiest way is to put those customisations in driver files, not in the main stylesheets - this is due to the Docbook design. The only changes that have been made to the actual docbook stylesheets are to add hooks for pre and post navigation content insertion. Thirdly we already have a look and feel for the website, established by Suhaib and tweaked a bit by me. It works. It's similar to other projects, and should be easy to read and navigate. Having part of the _website_ switch to a different look and feel is bad practice from a user design point of view. It's inconsistent. It also means that folk who link straight into the faq (ie because they did a google search) will have to guess at where the rest of the website is. And frankly, losting 2cm of screen space - 150 pixels - is hardly an issue on the smallest of desktop screens. We can easily create non-encapsulated versions, for local use and for downloading, in the future. However today, my first goal is to replace the current html authoring system for the FAQ with something that will allow marked up authoring, auto number of questions etc, which Docbook does well, and then we can get onto reviewing the draft content you have created. > Creating a stylesheet for documentation is not something to be taken > lightly, there are all sorts of issues and conventions involved that we mere > mortals cannot grasp. I'm not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying 1) "Rob, you don't know enough to make a stylesheet that doesn't break document authoring conventions" or are you saying 2)"Custom appearance is bad, there are too many things that can go wrong so lets look homogenous?". In respect to 1) - don't worry I'm not offended - there are two angles. One of the angles is that you don't know my background, and may well be worrying needlessly. The second angle is this is a project being done for the community. IMO that means that "everyone" needs to buy into the result before it gets implemented. This is not a minor change. So you have the opportunity to compare the resulting web pages to content presentation guidelines and best practice recommendations, and we can work together to get it right. In respent to 2) - I disagree very strongly with this sentiment. Authoring systems are _designed_ to separate content from presentation. Taking the stance that the default presentation is "just fine" _removes_ the whole benefit of separating the content. The reason the content is separated is to allow the type of thing I am doing here. Presentation and content are very important to get right, and play a large part in the public appearance of a project. In that context, writing a stylesheet is absolutely the correct thing to do. > I really want to stick with either the default DocBook stylesheet using > DSSSL, the LDP stylesheet (which appears to only be available as DSSSL), or > the stylesheet from some other reputable documentation project. I do not > want to be creating our own stylesheet. I think this is a moot point due to the reasons I've presented above. This project is currently focused on the presentation stage, and on delivering a minimal change to the website. AFAICT each LDP document is built from it's own source, and they are not in a book set. That makes building a surroinding stylesheet more challenging. And they have a lot of doco! We are a green field in this sense, and able to set direction more easily. We are able to have different stylesheets for different targets, and that is appropriate (Ie website vs home reference vs man page vs pdf). Lastly, you are not creating the stylesheet. I am. You are welcome to critique it, and point out it's problems, but I have no expectation that other folk will jump in to develop it. Once it's done, I do expect that changes will be on a "scratch your own itch" basis. Rob > > Harold > > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 16:00:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:00:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: <20010529175716.A12579@redhat.com> Message-ID: <033601c0e893$0fb30180$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Faylor" > On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 12:55:26PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: > >> To be honest.. I dislike having the index (Cygwin home, Cygwin/xfree86 > >> home, development.. ) to the left (right too) of a long text.. it > >> steals margin - if you scroll down a bit you have a white left > >> margin.. > > > >I'm with Andrew on this. When you are reading a long document, you are > >reading a long document. You are not navigating a web site. I've gotten > >this opinion from reading the FAQs of other projects: > > Oddly enough, I have always considered it a bug that the cygwin faq did > not display that bar on the left. Ditto. > For a long time, text on the cygwin web pages actually jumped to column > 1 when it hit the end of the bar. I never liked that layout, either. Uhmm, I'm not sure what you mean here. Does the draft faq stylesheet do that? Rob > I'm not a fan of excesive white space but the extra margin invoked by > the bar on the left never really bothered me for some reason. > > cgf > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 16:24:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:24:00 -0000 Subject: mailing list archives Message-ID: <037c01c0e896$7005f170$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> I think that the volume of traffic on the mailing list is high enough that we should switch to monthly archives, not quarterly. Thoughts? Chris - how hard is that to do, and what do you think? Rob From cgf@redhat.com Tue May 29 16:46:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:46:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: <20010529175716.A12579@redhat.com> <033601c0e893$0fb30180$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010529194641.A13597@redhat.com> On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:59:47AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Christopher Faylor" > >> On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 12:55:26PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: >>>>To be honest.. I dislike having the index (Cygwin home, Cygwin/xfree86 >>>>home, development.. ) to the left (right too) of a long text.. it >>>>steals margin - if you scroll down a bit you have a white left margin.. >>> >>>I'm with Andrew on this. When you are reading a long document, you are >>>reading a long document. You are not navigating a web site. I've >>>gotten this opinion from reading the FAQs of other projects: >> >>Oddly enough, I have always considered it a bug that the cygwin faq did >>not display that bar on the left. > >Ditto. > >>For a long time, text on the cygwin web pages actually jumped to column >>1 when it hit the end of the bar. I never liked that layout, either. > >Uhmm, I'm not sure what you mean here. Does the draft faq stylesheet >do that? I haven't looked at it. I was just saying that the layout was like this: +---------+ blah blah | xxxx | blah blah blah yup blah, I know. | yyyy | blah blah blah yup uh hah, I know. | | blah blah blah yup blat | | blah blah blah yup blaz | | blah blah blah yup blap | | blah blah blah yup blaque +---------+ blah blah blah blah blah I always found that a little jarring. cgf From cgf@redhat.com Tue May 29 16:48:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:48:00 -0000 Subject: mailing list archives References: <037c01c0e896$7005f170$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: <20010529194829.B13597@redhat.com> On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 09:23:57AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: >I think that the volume of traffic on the mailing list is high enough >that we should switch to monthly archives, not quarterly. Thoughts? > >Chris - how hard is that to do, and what do you think? I have to catch it at the month turnover but it is doable. It might make sense to wait until July 1, though. cgf From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 29 17:11:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:11:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: <031c01c0e892$a267e140$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: > None of them discuss why they have the layout they have - thus they are > not relevant except as examples of one style of layout. They are perfectly relevant to me. DocBook, as you said, is designed for customization, yet several project with many more members than our own chose to refrain from customization, or they customized but did not include site navigation. > Why XSL? I've already addressed this - "Why XSL? The XSL support was a > critical step. The DSSSL/SGML stylesheets are at end of life. They will > be deprecated in docbook 5.0 (the next release). The XML/DSSSL variant > produced non-validatable HTML. However XML with XSL is working very > nicely." Right, and you seemed to have missed my point: the Linux Documentation Project has not yet switched to XSL. Producing valid HTML, as decreed by http://w3.org is not the utmost goal of documentation. Here are several supporting examples of documentation that are not "valid" HTML: http://www.linuxdoc.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/index.html http://www.linuxdoc.org/FAQ/Linux-RAID-FAQ/index.html http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/index.html http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/LDP-Author-Guide/index.html http://gnome.org/faqs/users-faq/index.html http://gnome.org/faqs/gnome-foundation-faq/index.html You know, it will be nice when some DocBook processor produces "valid" HTML, but I'm not going to switch to an immature toolset for solely that reason. HTML validation just isn't that important. > Why a customisation driver for the stylesheets? There are three reasons. > One is that the docbook stylesheets are a lowest common denominator. > They are not intended to be use unmodified, except for the simplest > projects. Not intended to be used unmodified? Right, and we use modifications, namely, IIRC, the Cygnus modifications that produce the output in files named after the section ids. > The second reason is that there are bugs in the stylesheets, > and until those bugs are rolled back into the next stable release, and > we upgrade to that release, there is a need for bug-fixing drivers. The > easiest way is to put those customisations in driver files, not in the > main stylesheets - this is due to the Docbook design. The only changes > that have been made to the actual docbook stylesheets are to add hooks > for pre and post navigation content insertion. Once again, I don't seem HTML validation as a big problem, and I don't like having extraneous navigation information when I am reading a long document. Furthermore, changes were not restricted to pre and post navigation content insertion. I can see, at first sight, the following changes: 1) Titles are centered, they used to be left justified 2) Blockquotes have the citation in the blockquote, rather than one line above it 3) has been changed from " to ' 4) The font has changed 5) and are no longer inline, rather they are segmented by a centered title heading larger than a faq division heading 6) Bibliography markup is incorrect. Every division of information in the biblio is marked with a period, rather than commas for the major divisions and a colon for the title-subtitle division 7) Revision history is in a table with borders rather than an unadorned table In short, the XSL stylesheets are either not finished, or they have been extensively overridden. > Thirdly we already have a > look and feel for the website, established by Suhaib and tweaked a bit > by me. It works. It's similar to other projects, and should be easy to > read and navigate. Having part of the _website_ switch to a different > look and feel is bad practice from a user design point of view. It's > inconsistent. It also means that folk who link straight into the faq (ie > because they did a google search) will have to guess at where the rest > of the website is. And frankly, losting 2cm of screen space - 150 > pixels - is hardly an issue on the smallest of desktop screens. Of course, having one format (HTML) of a document being entirely different than the other formats (PDF, PS, RTF, DVI, etc.) is perfectly acceptable. > In respect to 1) - don't worry I'm not offended - there are two angles. > One of the angles is that you don't know my background, and may well be > worrying needlessly. The second angle is this is a project being done > for the community. IMO that means that "everyone" needs to buy into the > result before it gets implemented. This is not a minor change. So you > have the opportunity to compare the resulting web pages to content > presentation guidelines and best practice recommendations, and we can > work together to get it right. Right, and I don't by into the result. I have stated several times that I want to stick with the standard stylesheets. I don't have time to "compare the resulting web pages to content presentation guidelines and best practive recommendations". I have essentially put my trust in respect to those issues in DocBook and that's the last I want to have to think about it. > I think this is a moot point due to the reasons I've presented above. > This project is currently focused on the presentation stage, and on > delivering a minimal change to the website. AFAICT each LDP document is > built from it's own source, and they are not in a book set. That makes > building a surroinding stylesheet more challenging. And they have a lot > of doco! We are a green field in this sense, and able to set direction > more easily. We are able to have different stylesheets for different > targets, and that is appropriate (Ie website vs home reference vs man > page vs pdf). Lastly, you are not creating the stylesheet. I am. You are > welcome to critique it, and point out it's problems, but I have no > expectation that other folk will jump in to develop it. Once it's done, > I do expect that changes will be on a "scratch your own itch" basis. Requests of the author as to how his/her documentation should be presented are not moot points. > The second angle is this is a project being done > for the community. IMO that means that "everyone" needs to buy into the > result before it gets implemented. If the intention is really to wait until "everyone" agrees, then the changes to the stylesheet had better be very sparse (with the 7 points above addressed) and there had better not be a navigation bar, otherwise, I'm going to be a stick in the mud on this one. I love standard DocBook markup, as do all my friends (which makes this important to me), as it is simple, unadorned, non-flashy, and unencumbered by non-essential information. Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 17:54:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:54:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: Message-ID: <001601c0e8a3$034f3610$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" > > Why XSL? I've already addressed this - "Why XSL? The XSL support was a > > critical step. The DSSSL/SGML stylesheets are at end of life. They will > > be deprecated in docbook 5.0 (the next release). The XML/DSSSL variant > > produced non-validatable HTML. However XML with XSL is working very > > nicely." > > Right, and you seemed to have missed my point: the Linux Documentation > Project has not yet switched to XSL. Producing valid HTML, as decreed by > http://w3.org is not the utmost goal of documentation. Here are several > supporting examples of documentation that are not "valid" HTML: > http://www.linuxdoc.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/index.html > http://www.linuxdoc.org/FAQ/Linux-RAID-FAQ/index.html > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/index.html > http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/LDP-Author-Guide/index.html > http://gnome.org/faqs/users-faq/index.html > http://gnome.org/faqs/gnome-foundation-faq/index.html Invalid HTML does not render properly cross platform. In some cases it does not render at all. (I.E. netscape with a broken css stylesheet link). Documentation is meant to be usable and readable. Valid HTML is needed for reliable parsing by user tools - ie for the visually impaired with text->speech. > You know, it will be nice when some DocBook processor produces "valid" HTML, > but I'm not going to switch to an immature toolset for solely that reason. > HTML validation just isn't that important. I disagree. I will noit back any documentation system for the xfree86 website that cannot produce valid HTML. === If it's HTML, then I believe we follow the spec. If we don't want HTML, thats fine. We can produce text or pdf files and have those available for download. === > > Why a customisation driver for the stylesheets? There are three reasons. > > One is that the docbook stylesheets are a lowest common denominator. > > They are not intended to be use unmodified, except for the simplest > > projects. > > Not intended to be used unmodified? Right, and we use modifications, > namely, IIRC, the Cygnus modifications that produce the output in files > named after the section ids. Uhmm, actually that chunk naming behaviour is part of the standard docbook stylesheet - theres a parameter that activates that behaviour. And that we use a driver stylesheet (website.dsl for the DSSSL processor) _is my point_. > > The second reason is that there are bugs in the stylesheets, > > and until those bugs are rolled back into the next stable release, and > > we upgrade to that release, there is a need for bug-fixing drivers. The > > easiest way is to put those customisations in driver files, not in the > > main stylesheets - this is due to the Docbook design. The only changes > > that have been made to the actual docbook stylesheets are to add hooks > > for pre and post navigation content insertion. > > Once again, I don't seem HTML validation as a big problem, and I don't like > having extraneous navigation information when I am reading a long document. I didn't menation HTML validation there. The content I'm inserting can be done on the DSSSL stylesheets as well. The issues are orthogonal. Also, navigation is not extraneous. This is part of the website. I agree that a copy for a user on their PC would not need navigation. > Furthermore, changes were not restricted to pre and post navigation content > insertion. I can see, at first sight, the following changes: By changes to the stylesheet, I mean edits to stylesheets/docbookxsl/*, not driver files, the xfree86 web site stylesheet or the default differences between the XSL and DSSSL stylesheets. > 1) Titles are centered, they used to be left justified xfree86.css. > 2) Blockquotes have the citation in the blockquote, rather than one line > above it I changed the xml file here, not the stylesheet. I've emailed the docbook-apps list as this is a bug in the stylesheet (both DSSSL and XSL) IMO. > 3) has been changed from " to ' Not a change I introduced. > 4) The font has changed xfree86.css > 5) and are no longer inline, rather they are segmented by a > centered title heading larger than a faq division heading I'm not sure where you're referring to. But the cause is likely to be one of - xfree86.css, or the difference between the DSSSL and XSL stylesheets. > 6) Bibliography markup is incorrect. Every division of information in the > biblio is marked with a period, rather than commas for the major divisions > and a colon for the title-subtitle division I don't know where the fault is coming from, but I'd guess that this is an XSL bug. > 7) Revision history is in a table with borders rather than an unadorned > table Again, this is likely a XSL stylesheets defaults issue. > In short, the XSL stylesheets are either not finished, or they have been > extensively overridden. If you check the source, you will see that the amount of overriding is minimal. > > Thirdly we already have a > > look and feel for the website, established by Suhaib and tweaked a bit > > by me. It works. It's similar to other projects, and should be easy to > > read and navigate. Having part of the _website_ switch to a different > > look and feel is bad practice from a user design point of view. It's > > inconsistent. It also means that folk who link straight into the faq (ie > > because they did a google search) will have to guess at where the rest > > of the website is. And frankly, losting 2cm of screen space - 150 > > pixels - is hardly an issue on the smallest of desktop screens. > > Of course, having one format (HTML) of a document being entirely different > than the other formats (PDF, PS, RTF, DVI, etc.) is perfectly acceptable. Exactly. > > In respect to 1) - don't worry I'm not offended - there are two angles. > > One of the angles is that you don't know my background, and may well be > > worrying needlessly. The second angle is this is a project being done > > for the community. IMO that means that "everyone" needs to buy into the > > result before it gets implemented. This is not a minor change. So you > > have the opportunity to compare the resulting web pages to content > > presentation guidelines and best practice recommendations, and we can > > work together to get it right. > > Right, and I don't by into the result. I have stated several times that I > want to stick with the standard stylesheets. I don't have time to "compare > the resulting web pages to content presentation guidelines and best practive > recommendations". I have essentially put my trust in respect to those > issues in DocBook and that's the last I want to have to think about it. So don't think about it. Let me/Suhaib/David if he's got time think about it. > > I think this is a moot point due to the reasons I've presented above. > > This project is currently focused on the presentation stage, and on > > delivering a minimal change to the website. AFAICT each LDP document is > > built from it's own source, and they are not in a book set. That makes > > building a surroinding stylesheet more challenging. And they have a lot > > of doco! We are a green field in this sense, and able to set direction > > more easily. We are able to have different stylesheets for different > > targets, and that is appropriate (Ie website vs home reference vs man > > page vs pdf). Lastly, you are not creating the stylesheet. I am. You are > > welcome to critique it, and point out it's problems, but I have no > > expectation that other folk will jump in to develop it. Once it's done, > > I do expect that changes will be on a "scratch your own itch" basis. > > Requests of the author as to how his/her documentation should be presented > are not moot points. Maybe I've miscommunicated in the past? You are offering content for the xfree86 website. Thats good. You are also saying "The current layout is wrong". It should "default docbook". Thats a separate question. Please choose which question you are addressing. Secondly, The reason I want to avoid _content_ discussion is that achieving the current standard of presentation is a precursor to updating the content from a new source format. Have you heard of egoless programming? If not I suggest you read up on it. Lastly, Harold, if you publish a book, the publisher dictates most of the presentation, and even overrides a large chunk of the content. Thats called editing. > > The second angle is this is a project being done > > for the community. IMO that means that "everyone" needs to buy into the > > result before it gets implemented. > > If the intention is really to wait until "everyone" agrees, then the changes > to the stylesheet had better be very sparse (with the 7 points above > addressed) and there had better not be a navigation bar, otherwise, I'm > going to be a stick in the mud on this one. I love standard DocBook markup, > as do all my friends (which makes this important to me), as it is simple, > unadorned, non-flashy, and unencumbered by non-essential information. That sounds like a gauntlet being thrown. If I have been confrontational, I apologise. I'm trying to be very clear about where I am coming from, and what I'm trying to achieve. I'm not interested in picking up that gauntlet. ->If you sit back and look at the situation, I think you'll see that what you've just said translates as "You may have a FAQ now, but if you want a new one you have to throw out the site layout or not use my content". Answer: I'm not interested in throwing out the site content. I'm happy to address all the processing concerns: the missing Contents, the broken links, the stuffed up xrefs and so on to produce an environment that keeps everything together, nice and neat and will let contributors such as yourself easily add content. There is no timeframe on this. Ultimatums are not necessary. I've not ever got out and said "This has to be in place next week", nor IIRC has anyone else. Harold, If you raise the concerns, clearly, and point to how it should be, I think you'll find that most of the concerns _I agree with_. Some I won't. For example: the font is the xfree86 web site font. And they _are not_ going to be different. -->I will consider changing the font across the whole website. 2nd example: The xfree86 website has a navigation bar. The FAQ will have a navigation bar that is consistent and fits in. --> I will consider moving the navigation bar to a page title style bar, rather than a left hand side. In a nutshell: The contribution is welcomed, I'm doing what I can to make it acceptable. I'm not going to get up and critique the default docbook output, because you can easily look at how different the standard docbook output is to the current FAQ. Rob > > Harold > > From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 29 18:00:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:00:00 -0000 Subject: Peace Message-ID: I'm outta here. Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 19:09:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:09:00 -0000 Subject: mailing list archives Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Faylor [ mailto:cgf@redhat.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:48 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Re: mailing list archives > > > On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 09:23:57AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: > >I think that the volume of traffic on the mailing list is high enough > >that we should switch to monthly archives, not quarterly. Thoughts? > > > >Chris - how hard is that to do, and what do you think? > > I have to catch it at the month turnover but it is doable. > It might make > sense to wait until July 1, though. I'll leave it up to you and Suhaib, I just wanted to raise it. Rob > > cgf > From nzanella@cs.mun.ca Tue May 29 21:02:00 2001 From: nzanella@cs.mun.ca (Neil Zanella) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:02:00 -0000 Subject: rxvt and arrows Message-ID: Hello, When I use rxvt and press on the up arrow to invoke the bash command line history mechanism the cursor moves up one line instead. This is when I use rxvt without running X. I do this when I want a larger screen than the standard windows terminal emulator but do not need to run any graphical applications provided by X. How can I fix the arrow up problem? Thanks, Neil From huntharo@msu.edu Tue May 29 22:54:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:54:00 -0000 Subject: Parameters and options (WAS: Unable to start XWin - Core dump) References: Message-ID: Karl, That would probably be a question for the XFree86 project, as Cygwin/XFree86 is only able to add parameters for it's small portion of the XFree86 project. You could try submitting a patch to XFree86's xc/programs/Xserver/os/utils.c/ProcessCommandLine (). That function processes several parameters, including -help; you could simply model your additional parameter after -help. Good luck, Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Karl Philipp > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:20 AM > To: [List] Cygwin/XFree86 > Subject: AW: Parameters and options (WAS: Unable to start XWin - Core > dump) > > > Hi, > > can we implement a parameter '-h' resp. '--help' (GNU syntax)? > > greetings > > Karl > > --- > Karl Philipp > > Phone : +49 6151 868 - 518 > Fax : +49 6151 868 - 980 > eMail : mailto:karl.philipp@danet.de > > Danet GmbH, Business Unit BI > Gutenbergstr. 10 > 64331 Weiterstadt, Germany > WWW : http://www.danet.de > From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Tue May 29 23:33:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:33:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] > > Is it possible to number and highlight the questions like > 7.1 Q _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root There seems to be a bug in the XSL stylesheets/xsltproc. Subnumbering of questions sets is supported. It's not turned on in the makefile, and turning it on had no effect - so I'm looking into that. As to putting a "Q" in from, that can also be done. Once I figure the problem out I'll report back. In response to the tripled title issue on the main page, I have fixed that so that it only shows twice - once in the embedded navigation header strip, and then the FAQ Title. This could be taken down to one instance, but I think that the consistency of the chunk title in the nav header strip is useful. Thoughts? Rob From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 30 00:42:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:42:00 -0000 Subject: bluescreen during XF86/cygwin build References: <002501c0e662$0ed24a60$6800a8c0@dbca950> Message-ID: Dave, > A command of the following form at bash prompt on a freshly > pulled XFree86 CVS tree caused > identical "driver has corrupted the executive memory pool" > bluescreens 3 times in a row: I am now trying a test build of XFree86 CVS using 'make World | tee world.log' on Windows 2000 with SP2. I'll let you know my results. Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 30 00:50:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:50:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: <009401c0e41c$14832490$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <00a601c0e41e$6733e560$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <013501c0e436$b046a2c0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <013401c0e841$2e2ec830$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> <01e501c0e88c$1e7c9340$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: | I'm aiming for the same look and feel as the rest of the XFree86/cygwin | site. That is: if we move it here, we should move it on the other site | pages as well. Currently it derives nicely off the Cygwin home page too, | which is good. I'm open to discussion on this though :] Is it possible to do some kind of Index to the left, and when it is done.. the faq text fills out the complete width? like: TOCTOCTOC faqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaq TOCTOCTOC faqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaq TOCTOCTOC faqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaq TOCTOCTOC faqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaq faqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaq faqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfafqafqfaq faqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfafqafqfaq faqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfafqafqfaq faqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfafqafqfaq faqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfaqfafqafqfaq Once in a while when I designed a site we did something like: SITE Foo is this bar is that gaz is otherwise when you clicked on the links the TOC came up like Foo thisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthis thisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthis (<> means that they are clickable) I don't really know how appliable this is to cygwin, because we don't need to explain the links on the main page.. or something but.. /Andy From flognat@flognat.myip.org Wed May 30 00:54:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:54:00 -0000 Subject: cygwin faq ready for presentation review. References: Message-ID: / "Robert Collins" wrote: | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Andrew Markebo [ mailto:flognat@flognat.myip.org ] | > | > Is it possible to number and highlight the questions like | > 7.1 Q _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root | | There seems to be a bug in the XSL stylesheets/xsltproc. Subnumbering of | questions sets is supported. It's not turned on in the makefile, and | turning it on had no effect - so I'm looking into that. As to putting a | "Q" in from, that can also be done. Once I figure the problem out I'll | report back. If you get a correct numbering I don't think you need Q and A section.. if the reader can easily see something like; 7.1 intro to question questionquestionquestionquestionquestionquestion questionquestionquestionquestionquestion answeransweransweransweransweransweransweranswer answeransweransweransweransweransweranswer 7.2 .. Maybe some introduction in the answer.. like "Do this by.. " "no you need to bow to the faq author" /Andy From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 30 01:06:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 01:06:00 -0000 Subject: bad links References: <200105111947.PAA15537@mailhost.eng.mc.xerox.com> Message-ID: Marty, > On > http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/devel/ > there are links to several books including > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/XWINSYS.pdf > > They aren't present anymore... I had bzip2'd the pdf files because I thought I only had 10 MB of space on my university account; it turns out that I have 26 MB, so I uncompressed the files. The links that you referred to are working again. > Is Harold Hunt's Cygwin/XFree86 users guide available in a printable > (non-html) format? Not yet. Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold > -----Original Message----- > From: cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com > [ mailto:cygwin-xfree-owner@sources.redhat.com]On Behalf Of Marty Leisner > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 3:47 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sources.redhat.com > Subject: bad links > > > > On > http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/xfree/devel/ > there are links to several books including > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/XWINSYS.pdf > > They aren't present anymore... > > Is Harold Hunt's Cygwin/XFree86 users guide available in a printable > (non-html) format? > > marty mleisner@eng.mc.xerox.com > Don't confuse education with schooling. > Milton Friedman to Yogi Berra From nzanella@cs.mun.ca Wed May 30 02:14:00 2001 From: nzanella@cs.mun.ca (Neil Zanella) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 02:14:00 -0000 Subject: bad links References: Message-ID: On Wed, 30 May 2001, Harold Hunt wrote: > > They aren't present anymore... > > I had bzip2'd the pdf files because I thought I only had 10 MB of space on > my university account; it turns out that I have 26 MB, so I uncompressed the > files. If you are working on copylefted projects and don't have the disk space on your university account then yoy might want to consider sourceforge.net ! > > Is Harold Hunt's Cygwin/XFree86 users guide available in a printable > > (non-html) format? > > Not yet. > > Thank you for your interest in the project, I can't wait till the new formats for the cygx users' guide come out! Keep up the good work! Neil From Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no Wed May 30 05:39:00 2001 From: Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no (Idar Tollefsen) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 05:39:00 -0000 Subject: Color problems Message-ID: Hello, When starting X, I get a few of the following messages: Warning: Color name "[color name]" is not defined Where color name is black, yellow and red. I'm also trying to run LyX, the Win32 version, on this X server. It fires up just fine, but the colors are all screwed up, and in the underlying xterm, there's a lot of messages like In LoadXPM [pixmap.c 409] error reading [path and file name of XPM file] (Can't get color) and X can't find color "[color name]". Set to "black"! What can I do about this? Should I have some environment variable point to some sort of RGB database? - IT - IT From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 30 05:42:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 05:42:00 -0000 Subject: Color problems Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AB6@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Are you on a DOS mounted or binary mounted Cygwin drive? >From a Cygwin bash shell type mount. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Idar Tollefsen [ mailto:Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:39 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Color problems > > > Hello, > > When starting X, I get a few of the > following messages: > > Warning: Color name "[color name]" is > not defined > > Where color name is black, yellow and red. > > I'm also trying to run LyX, the Win32 version, > on this X server. It fires up just fine, but the > colors are all screwed up, and in the underlying > xterm, there's a lot of messages like > > In LoadXPM [pixmap.c 409] error reading > [path and file name of XPM file] (Can't get color) > > and > > X can't find color "[color name]". Set to "black"! > > What can I do about this? Should I have some > environment variable point to some sort of > RGB database? > > > - IT > - IT > > From Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no Wed May 30 05:55:00 2001 From: Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no (Idar Tollefsen) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 05:55:00 -0000 Subject: Color problems Message-ID: > Are you on a DOS mounted or binary mounted Cygwin drive? > From a Cygwin bash shell type mount. Binary mounted. This is the exact output form the mount command: C:\cygwin\bin on /usr/bin type system (binmode) C:\cygwin\lib on /usr/lib type system (binmode) C:\cygwin on / type system (binmode) - IT -------------------------------------------------------- Start of original message > When starting X, I get a few of the > following messages: > > Warning: Color name "[color name]" is > not defined > > Where color name is black, yellow and red. > > I'm also trying to run LyX, the Win32 version, > on this X server. It fires up just fine, but the > colors are all screwed up, and in the underlying > xterm, there's a lot of messages like > > In LoadXPM [pixmap.c 409] error reading > [path and file name of XPM file] (Can't get color) > > and > > X can't find color "[color name]". Set to "black"! > > What can I do about this? Should I have some > environment variable point to some sort of > RGB database? End of original message -------------------------------------------------------- From cgf@redhat.com Wed May 30 06:46:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 06:46:00 -0000 Subject: bad links References: Message-ID: <20010530094641.A17612@redhat.com> On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 06:43:10AM -0230, Neil Zanella wrote: > >On Wed, 30 May 2001, Harold Hunt wrote: > >> > They aren't present anymore... >> >> I had bzip2'd the pdf files because I thought I only had 10 MB of space on >> my university account; it turns out that I have 26 MB, so I uncompressed the >> files. > >If you are working on copylefted projects and don't have the disk >space on your university account then yoy might want to consider >sourceforge.net ! Or, gee, you could even consider using sources.redhat.com. cgf From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 30 06:57:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 06:57:00 -0000 Subject: bluescreen during XF86/cygwin build References: <002501c0e90c$b4cd0bb0$6800a8c0@dbca950> Message-ID: > I am now trying a test build of XFree86 CVS using 'make World | tee > world.log' on Windows 2000 with SP2. > > I'll let you know my results. In follow up, the build completed normally in 1:12 with a 3 MB log file. Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Wed May 30 07:09:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 07:09:00 -0000 Subject: bad links References: Message-ID: > Or, gee, you could even consider using sources.redhat.com. I didn't want to post them on sources.redhat.com because I wasn't sure of the copyright situation on all of the documents, so I didn't want to expose RedHat to any potential copyright violations. I figured I would take that risk myself :) Harold From cgf@redhat.com Wed May 30 07:19:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 07:19:00 -0000 Subject: bad links References: Message-ID: <20010530102005.H17603@redhat.com> On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 10:09:41AM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: >> Or, gee, you could even consider using sources.redhat.com. > >I didn't want to post them on sources.redhat.com because I wasn't sure of >the copyright situation on all of the documents, so I didn't want to expose >RedHat to any potential copyright violations. I figured I would take that >risk myself :) Fair enough. I was actually reacting more to the inexplicable suggestion that part of a project that uses sources.redhat.com be split to use sourceforge.net, too. For the record, I'll do whatever it takes to accomodate the people on this project. We're not as automated as sourceforge.net but hopefully that isn't too big a concern. cgf From npettiaux@mrbc.irisnet.be Wed May 30 07:39:00 2001 From: npettiaux@mrbc.irisnet.be (Nicolas Pettiaux) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 07:39:00 -0000 Subject: Belgian keyboard and other windows manager Message-ID: <01c201c0e915$6c062160$091a10ac@npettiaux.mrbc.irisnet.be> Hello, I am a beginner with cygwin, while I know how to use Linux (not as an expert yet). When I start xwin with startxwin.bat, the default keyboard in the xterm appears to be querty and the default window manager appears to be twm. I have 2 questions: 1/ How can I define the default keyboard to be Belgian (as in windows and cygwin) and 2/ how can I use another window manager, for example xfce ? Thank you for your help, Best regards, Nicolas Pettiaux -- Nicolas Pettiaux ICT Manager Ministere de la Region de Bruxelles-Capitale (MRBC) - Ministerie van het Brusselse Hooftdstedelijke Gewest (MBHG) Av. du progr????s 80, bte 1 - 1030 Bruxelles - Belgium Tel : +32/(0)2.204.27.49 - email: npettiaux@mrbc.irisnet.be -----Original Message----- From: Francis VIVAT To: Robert Collins Cc: cygx Date: mardi 29 mai 2001 14:29 Subject: Re: Unable to start XWin - Core dump >Bon appetit ! > >;-) > >CU >. \)|(/ >. (o o) >. /-----------------ooO----(_)----Ooo-----------------\ >.(_| Francis VIVAT | >. | CETP-CNRS | >. | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | >. | Tel : +33 1 3925 4780 | >. | Fax : +33 1 3925 4922 |_ >. | E-Mail : francis.vivat@cetp.ipsl.fr | ) >. \---------------------------------------------------/ >. (_) (_) > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert Collins" >To: "Alexander Gottwald" >Cc: "Harold Hunt" ; "cygx" >Sent: mardi 29 mai 2001 14:22 >Subject: Re: Unable to start XWin - Core dump > > >> OOOOPPPS. >> >> I eat me words. Munch munch. >> >> Rob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alexander Gottwald" >> >> To: "Robert Collins" >> Cc: "Harold Hunt" ; "cygx" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:21 PM >> Subject: Re: Unable to start XWin - Core dump >> >> >> > On Tue, 29 May 2001, Robert Collins wrote: >> > >> > > I think it;s a bad idea. Keep the syntax the unix way. Adding extra >> > > debug info and error checking is good though. >> > >> > Xnest uses -geometry WxH+X+Y to specify width, height and position and >> > -depth to specify colordepth. Same is for Xvnc, except the position >> which >> > is ommitted. Even Xfree86 uses the -depth option. Using -depth is the >> > common way. >> > >> > bye >> > ago >> > -- >> > Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de >> > http://www.gotti.org >> > +49 3725 349 80 80 >> > >> > >> >> > > >This mail has been checked by exiscan. >To be safe, please scan the mail attachements with your local virus scanner ! From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Wed May 30 08:18:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:18:00 -0000 Subject: Belgian keyboard and other windows manager References: <01c201c0e915$6c062160$091a10ac@npettiaux.mrbc.irisnet.be> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 May 2001, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > Hello, > > I am a beginner with cygwin, while I know how to use Linux (not as an expert > yet). > > When I start xwin with startxwin.bat, the default keyboard in the xterm > appears to be querty and the default window manager appears to be twm. > > I have 2 questions: > > 1/ How can I define the default keyboard to be Belgian (as in windows and > cygwin) and Cygwin/Xfree uses the same keyboard configuration as the Xserver from linux. You will need a modified modmap to tell the xserver, which key produces which sign. You can generate this file with xkeycaps or extrat on from your linux box by running "xmodmap -pke". This prints a file which should configure your keyboard in the same way as it is on your linux box. If it's the same layout as used on french keyboards, you can get it from http://www-usercgi.tu-chemnitz.de/~goal/xfree/xmodmap.fr.bz2 > > 2/ how can I use another window manager, for example xfce ? Yes you can. Get the package from one of the mirrors, install it and replace the call of twm by xfce. bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From gert.bartholomeeusen@eng.ox.ac.uk Wed May 30 08:42:00 2001 From: gert.bartholomeeusen@eng.ox.ac.uk (Gert Bartholomeeusen) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:42:00 -0000 Subject: Emulate 3rd Button Message-ID: <3B15148A.1060404@eng.ox.ac.uk> Hey How do I emulate three buttons with my two-button mouse? XFree86 on Cygwin does not seem to come with '/etc/X11/XF86Config' Thanks Gert From b.goerz@fair-computer.de Wed May 30 08:42:00 2001 From: b.goerz@fair-computer.de (Bernd Goerz) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:42:00 -0000 Subject: Problems startting XWIN Message-ID: Hi, evertime I try to start xwin I????ve got the following messages: _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f winSetEngine () - Using user's preference: 4 winAdjustVideoModeShadowDDNL () - Command line depth: 32, using depth: 16 winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1024 height 768 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 0000f800 000007e0 0000001f RGB 6 d 16 winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy so the xwin didn????t start. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Bernd Goerz From h.nardmann@secunet.de Wed May 30 08:43:00 2001 From: h.nardmann@secunet.de (Heiko Nardmann) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:43:00 -0000 Subject: Q: Exceed and XFree simultaneously? Message-ID: <0105301743210B.02983@snsrv053> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I am new to XFree86 on Windows. So far I used Exceed. Now I am in some process of testing and maybe migration from Exceed to XFree86. My problem currently is that I want to use Exceed and XFree86 simultaneously. Exceed shall serve screen 0 and XFree86 shall serve screen 1. Is this possible? If yes what do I have to change? I tried: - - setting DISPLAY in startxwin.bat to 127.0.0.1:0.1, screen for XWin to 1 - - setting DISPLAY in startxwin.bat to :0.1, screen for XWin to 1 Any help ... ? - -- Heiko Nardmann (Dipl.-Ing.), h.nardmann@secunet.de, Software Development secunet Security Networks AG - Sicherheit in Netzwerken (www.secunet.de), Weidenauer Str. 223-225, D-57076 Siegen Tel. : +49 271 48950-13, Fax : +49 271 48950-50 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7FRUapm53PRScYygRAigRAKDIDOpgPsV83vzX7E1eQcg4XyHn8ACgu62I r7N6CTGkIFctp6pbrZBSsaI= =Kxe4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Wed May 30 08:51:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:51:00 -0000 Subject: Emulate 3rd Button References: <3B15148A.1060404@eng.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 May 2001, Gert Bartholomeeusen wrote: > Hey > How do I emulate three buttons with my two-button mouse? XFree86 on > Cygwin does not seem to come with '/etc/X11/XF86Config' call Xwin.exe with the switch -emulate3buttons [timeout] and please check the mailarchives and the faq if you have another question. bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Wed May 30 09:01:00 2001 From: alexander.gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:01:00 -0000 Subject: Q: Exceed and XFree simultaneously? References: <0105301743210B.02983@snsrv053> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 May 2001, Heiko Nardmann wrote: > My problem currently is that I want to use Exceed and XFree86 simultaneously. > Exceed shall serve screen 0 and XFree86 shall serve screen 1. > Is this possible? > > If yes what do I have to change? I tried: > - - setting DISPLAY in startxwin.bat to 127.0.0.1:0.1, screen for XWin to 1 > - - setting DISPLAY in startxwin.bat to :0.1, screen for XWin to 1 the DISPLAY variable is only used by the clients but not by the server. > > Any help ... ? try this: XWin :1 -screen 0 800x600x16 the :1 tells xwin to use display 1. The DISPLAY variable needs to be set to 127.0.0.1:1.0 bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 349 80 80 From ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro Wed May 30 09:02:00 2001 From: ubik@telecomsm.multiarea.ro (claude) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:02:00 -0000 Subject: Problems startting XWIN References: Message-ID: Just create the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy, and start XWin with the -ac switch On Wed, 30 May 2001, Bernd Goerz wrote: > Hi, > > evertime I try to start xwin I????ve got the following messages: > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f > winSetEngine () - Using user's preference: 4 > winAdjustVideoModeShadowDDNL () - Command line depth: 32, using depth: 16 > winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1024 height 768 > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 0000f800 000007e0 0000001f RGB 6 d 16 > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning > error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > > so the xwin didn????t start. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Bernd Goerz > From larrys@mrstock.com Wed May 30 10:16:00 2001 From: larrys@mrstock.com (Larry Sanderson) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:16:00 -0000 Subject: Not your normal DISPLAY problem. Message-ID: <007201c0e92c$77329390$bb81cc3f@webmaster> At first glance, the "Can't open display" error I'm getting seems the run-of-the-mill variety... Just make sure the X-server is running, and the DISPLAY variable is properly set. But... If I'm on a second (fully functional) box, and set the DISPLAY to point to the problem machine, the X-programs pop up just fine. So, the X-server seems to be running correctly. If I'm on the first and point the DISPLAY to itself (or to the second fully functional one) then nothing works... I always get the "Can't open display" error. It seems as though either the DISPLAY variable isn't being read correctly, or I'm doing something incredibly stupid. Any insight? -Larry From shiva@well.com Wed May 30 12:33:00 2001 From: shiva@well.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:33:00 -0000 Subject: Mounting private dir on /tmp Message-ID: <200105301933.MAA15562@mail.well.com> How do I mount a local directory as /tmp? I've got all of cygwin and XFree86 on a Linux Samba server share (\\server\cygwin) so that / is mounted to x:\. The share is set up with forced user and group so any user connecting looks like the same pseudo-user on the Linux box. I've now got XFree86 working with xdm and XDMCP on Linux. The hardest part was having to delete \tmp\.X11-unix before each session, because trans_mkdir complains if the directory exists, something about "inode changed". This might be related to the directory being on a Samba share. I'd now like to make XFree86 available to a user on another NT4 workstation. To this end I need a private /tmp for each user for the X0 file created in /tmp/.X11-unix. I'm not sure how to accomplish this. I tried bring up bash and entering "mount -b c:\tmp /tmp" but I get the message "mount: /tmp: Invalid argument". What am I doing wrong? Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 30 12:36:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:36:00 -0000 Subject: Mounting private dir on /tmp Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AC1@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> in bash shell for example mount c:/local-directory /tmp Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Porter [ mailto:shiva@well.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:33 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Mounting private dir on /tmp > > > How do I mount a local directory as /tmp? > > I've got all of cygwin and XFree86 on a Linux Samba server share > (\\server\cygwin) so that / is mounted to x:\. The share is > set up with > forced user and group so any user connecting looks like the same > pseudo-user on the Linux box. > > I've now got XFree86 working with xdm and XDMCP on Linux. The hardest > part was having to delete \tmp\.X11-unix before each session, because > trans_mkdir complains if the directory exists, something about "inode > changed". This might be related to the directory being on a Samba > share. > > I'd now like to make XFree86 available to a user on another NT4 > workstation. To this end I need a private /tmp for each user > for the X0 > file created in /tmp/.X11-unix. I'm not sure how to accomplish this. I > tried bring up bash and entering "mount -b c:\tmp /tmp" but I get the > message "mount: /tmp: Invalid argument". What am I doing wrong? > > Ken > mailto:shiva@well.com > http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ > [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your > reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] > > From shiva@well.com Wed May 30 12:38:00 2001 From: shiva@well.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:38:00 -0000 Subject: Minimizing console window Message-ID: <200105301938.MAA18128@mail.well.com> After the server starts, is there a way to auto-minimize the parent console window? (The one that contains the server status messages.) Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 30 12:42:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:42:00 -0000 Subject: Minimizing console window Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AC2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Add the /MIN flag to startxwin.bat at start xwin /B line Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Porter [ mailto:shiva@well.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:39 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Minimizing console window > > > After the server starts, is there a way to auto-minimize the parent > console window? (The one that contains the server status messages.) > > Ken > mailto:shiva@well.com > http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ > [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your > reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] > > From shiva@well.com Wed May 30 13:03:00 2001 From: shiva@well.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:03:00 -0000 Subject: Minimizing console window References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AC2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <200105302002.NAA28737@mail.well.com> On Wed, 30 May 2001 15:41:55 -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >Add the /MIN flag to startxwin.bat at start xwin /B line Ok, I put "start /min Xwin ..." in startxwin.cmd and that flushes the original console window that the shortcut starts, and minimizes both the log and server windows. Does the server window just inherit the minimizing behavior of the log window? I generally want to see the log messages only when something goes wrong, but alas the log window immediately disappears after a server startup fails, unless I don't use "start". Ideally the log window should minimize and the server window should remain visible. I'd guess I can just redirect stderr to capture the log output. BTW, now that I've got Cygwin installed on a share and working from there, what would I need to do on a second workstation to make the installation available to it? Can setup.exe just patch up the 2nd machine's registry without re-installing all the files to the share? (I'm only really using it to support the X server.) Thanks for the help on mount. The backslash/slash thing was what bit me. Had a big "Doh!" moment after seeing your answer. Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 30 13:15:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:15:00 -0000 Subject: Minimizing console window Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AC3@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > On Wed, 30 May 2001 15:41:55 -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: > > >Add the /MIN flag to startxwin.bat at start xwin /B line > > Ok, I put "start /min Xwin ..." in startxwin.cmd and that flushes the > original console window that the shortcut starts, and minimizes both > the log and server windows. Does the server window just inherit the > minimizing behavior of the log window? > Yes > I generally want to see the log messages only when something goes > wrong, but alas the log window immediately disappears after a server > startup fails, unless I don't use "start". Ideally the log window > should minimize and the server window should remain visible. I'd guess > I can just redirect stderr to capture the log output. > > BTW, now that I've got Cygwin installed on a share and working from > there, what would I need to do on a second workstation to make the > installation available to it? Can setup.exe just patch up the 2nd > machine's registry without re-installing all the files to the share? Chris Faylor might comment on that. Suhaib > (I'm only really using it to support the X server.) > > Thanks for the help on mount. The backslash/slash thing was what bit > me. Had a big "Doh!" moment after seeing your answer. > > Ken > mailto:shiva@well.com > http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ > [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your > reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 30 13:18:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:18:00 -0000 Subject: Problems startting XWIN Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AC4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Try reducing the resolution at xwin command line e.g startx xwin -screeon 800x600x16 ...................... Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernd Goerz [ mailto:b.goerz@fair-computer.de ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:43 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: Problems startting XWIN > > > Hi, > > evertime I try to start xwin I????ve got the following messages: > > _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Windows NT/2000 > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Allowing PrimaryDD > winDetectSupportedEngines () - DirectDraw4 installed > winDetectSupportedEngines () - Returning, supported engines 0000000f > winSetEngine () - Using user's preference: 4 > winAdjustVideoModeShadowDDNL () - Command line depth: 32, > using depth: 16 > winCreateBoundingWindowWindowed () - WindowClient width 1024 > height 768 > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Masks 0000f800 000007e0 > 0000001f RGB 6 d 16 > winInitVisualsShadowDDNL () - Returning > error opening security policy file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy > > so the xwin didn????t start. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Bernd Goerz > From shiva@well.com Wed May 30 13:28:00 2001 From: shiva@well.com (Kenneth Porter) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:28:00 -0000 Subject: Problems startting XWIN References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AC4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <200105302027.NAA10809@mail.well.com> On Wed, 30 May 2001 16:17:58 -0400, Suhaib Siddiqi wrote: >> _XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root I found that deleting the /tmp/.X11-unix subdirectory before starting the server got rid of this message. I have this in startxwin.cmd: rem cleanup after last run attrib -s c:\tmp\.X11-unix\X0 del c:\tmp\.X11-unix\X0 rmdir c:\tmp\.X11-unix (I could probably add "if exist" to each line to suppress any error messages.) >> error opening security policy file >> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy >> >> so the xwin didn????t start. This file and the directory it's in are not in the standard installation. I got around this by creating the directory /etc/X11/xserver (the other is a symlink to this) and creating an empty SecurityPolicy file in it ("touch /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy"). I also added -ac to the Xwin command line. Ken mailto:shiva@well.com http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll take my answer on the list.] From cgf@redhat.com Wed May 30 13:37:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:37:00 -0000 Subject: Minimizing console window References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AC3@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010530163749.C20870@redhat.com> >> BTW, now that I've got Cygwin installed on a share and working from >> there, what would I need to do on a second workstation to make the >> installation available to it? Can setup.exe just patch up the 2nd >> machine's registry without re-installing all the files to the share? > >Chris Faylor might comment on that. Just use the mount command to duplicate the other system's mount table. Check out the documentation at cygwin.com for info on how to use the mount command. cgf From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 30 17:44:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:44:00 -0000 Subject: Not your normal DISPLAY problem. Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29ACD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Sanderson [ mailto:larrys@mrstock.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:18 PM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Not your normal DISPLAY problem. > > At first glance, the "Can't open display" error I'm getting seems the > run-of-the-mill variety... Just make sure the X-server is running, and the > DISPLAY variable is properly set. But... > > If I'm on a second (fully functional) box, and set the DISPLAY to point to > the problem machine, the X-programs pop up just fine. So, the X-server > seems > to be running correctly. If I'm on the first and point the DISPLAY to > itself (or to the second fully functional one) then nothing works... I > always get the "Can't open display" error. > > It seems as though either the DISPLAY variable isn't being read correctly, > or I'm doing something incredibly stupid. > > Any insight? > > -Larry Are there any VPN, or Firewall software of "second fully functionalmachine"? When you start X-server do you get X-desktop? Can you run the following simple test from a bash shell? >From Cygwin bash shell cd to /usr/X11R6/bin DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 Export DISPLAY ./Xwin :0& ./xterm& ./twm& You should see an X-desktop, then an xterm. If Xwin does not start please post exact error messages to the list. Suhaib From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Wed May 30 17:47:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:47:00 -0000 Subject: Color problems Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29ACE@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Do you have /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt file? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Idar Tollefsen [ mailto:Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:55 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: RE: Color problems > > > Are you on a DOS mounted or binary mounted Cygwin drive? > > From a Cygwin bash shell type mount. > > Binary mounted. > > This is the exact output form the mount command: > C:\cygwin\bin on /usr/bin type system (binmode) > C:\cygwin\lib on /usr/lib type system (binmode) > C:\cygwin on / type system (binmode) > > > - IT > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Start of original message > > > When starting X, I get a few of the > > following messages: > > > > Warning: Color name "[color name]" is > > not defined > > > > Where color name is black, yellow and red. > > > > I'm also trying to run LyX, the Win32 version, > > on this X server. It fires up just fine, but the > > colors are all screwed up, and in the underlying > > xterm, there's a lot of messages like > > > > In LoadXPM [pixmap.c 409] error reading > > [path and file name of XPM file] (Can't get color) > > > > and > > > > X can't find color "[color name]". Set to "black"! > > > > What can I do about this? Should I have some > > environment variable point to some sort of > > RGB database? > > End of original message > -------------------------------------------------------- From larrys@mrstock.com Wed May 30 18:17:00 2001 From: larrys@mrstock.com (Larry Sanderson) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:17:00 -0000 Subject: Not your normal DISPLAY problem. References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29ACD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <003601c0e96f$9f3360c0$bb81cc3f@webmaster> See comments inline... > Are there any VPN, or Firewall software of "second fully functionalmachine"? Nope. Both are on the same subnet, with no special > When you start X-server do you get X-desktop? Yup. The desktop comes up nicely. In fact, X sessions from the remote machine are working correctly... Just X sessions from localhost are failing > Can you run the following simple test from a bash shell? > > From Cygwin bash shell cd to /usr/X11R6/bin > > DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > Export DISPLAY No problems here... an 'echo $DISPLAY' verifies the value 127.0.0.1:0.0 > ./Xwin :0& The X-desktop apears here, as expected. > ./xterm& > ./twm& Both these return the same "Can't open display". > You should see an X-desktop, then an xterm. If Xwin does not start please > post exact error messages to the list. > > Suhaib Thanks for your help, but I've spent a couple days on this, and I can't seem to find the problem. It's as if the X-programs are failing to communicate over the network. Could it be somewhere in the network settings? At this point I'm pretty sure it isn't actually a problem with the DISPLAY variable. Thanks for any further help you can offer. -Larry > > > At first glance, the "Can't open display" error I'm getting seems the > > run-of-the-mill variety... Just make sure the X-server is running, and the > > DISPLAY variable is properly set. But... > > > > If I'm on a second (fully functional) box, and set the DISPLAY to point to > > the problem machine, the X-programs pop up just fine. So, the X-server > > seems > > to be running correctly. If I'm on the first and point the DISPLAY to > > itself (or to the second fully functional one) then nothing works... I > > always get the "Can't open display" error. > > > > It seems as though either the DISPLAY variable isn't being read correctly, > > or I'm doing something incredibly stupid. > > > > Any insight? > > > > -Larry From h.nardmann@secunet.de Wed May 30 23:29:00 2001 From: h.nardmann@secunet.de (Heiko Nardmann) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:29:00 -0000 Subject: Not your normal DISPLAY problem. References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29ACD@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> <003601c0e96f$9f3360c0$bb81cc3f@webmaster> Message-ID: <0105310828350D.02983@snsrv053> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 31 May 2001 03:18, Larry Sanderson wrote: > See comments inline... > > > Are there any VPN, or Firewall software of "second fully > > functionalmachine"? > Nope. Both are on the same subnet, with no special > > > When you start X-server do you get X-desktop? > > Yup. The desktop comes up nicely. In fact, X sessions from the remote > machine are working correctly... Just X sessions from localhost are failing > > > Can you run the following simple test from a bash shell? > > > > From Cygwin bash shell cd to /usr/X11R6/bin > > > > DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > > Export DISPLAY > > No problems here... an 'echo $DISPLAY' verifies the value 127.0.0.1:0.0 > > > ./Xwin :0& > > The X-desktop apears here, as expected. > > > ./xterm& > > ./twm& > > Both these return the same "Can't open display". > This sounds similar to the problem I have with trying to run Exceed and XFree86 simultaneously. I also get the message "Can't open display" for every value I set DISPLAY to. How can I check which displays on a machine are accessible? Which ports are used by the XServer depending on the display and screen number? Currently I set DISPLAY to SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.1 and use the following line in startxwin.bat: start XWin -screen 1 1024x768x32 -whitepixel 255 -blackpixel 0 -engine 4 I am not really sure whether this ":0.1" and "-screen 1" correspond correctly. Can someone enlighten me? Interestingly enough now I get two X windows started?! One small, one big ... [..] > Thanks for your help, but I've spent a couple days on this, and I can't > seem to find the problem. It's as if the X-programs are failing to > communicate over the network. Could it be somewhere in the network > settings? At this point I'm pretty sure it isn't actually a problem with > the DISPLAY variable. > > Thanks for any further help you can offer. > > -Larry > > > > At first glance, the "Can't open display" error I'm getting seems the > > > run-of-the-mill variety... Just make sure the X-server is running, and > > the > > > > DISPLAY variable is properly set. But... > > > > > > If I'm on a second (fully functional) box, and set the DISPLAY to point > > to > > > > the problem machine, the X-programs pop up just fine. So, the X-server > > > seems > > > to be running correctly. If I'm on the first and point the DISPLAY to > > > itself (or to the second fully functional one) then nothing works... I > > > always get the "Can't open display" error. > > > > > > It seems as though either the DISPLAY variable isn't being read > > correctly, > > > > or I'm doing something incredibly stupid. > > > > > > Any insight? > > > > > > -Larry - -- Heiko Nardmann (Dipl.-Ing.), h.nardmann@secunet.de, Software Development secunet Security Networks AG - Sicherheit in Netzwerken (www.secunet.de), Weidenauer Str. 223-225, D-57076 Siegen Tel. : +49 271 48950-13, Fax : +49 271 48950-50 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7FeSTpm53PRScYygRAjLMAJ0QtRyZQFyA2oLSoyOKVK9VN1yUzACgg6se Q51YQ6hCKLRZT1V7huvgDM4= =JTMy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From h.nardmann@secunet.de Wed May 30 23:41:00 2001 From: h.nardmann@secunet.de (Heiko Nardmann) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:41:00 -0000 Subject: Q: Exceed and XFree simultaneously? References: Message-ID: <0105310841130F.02983@snsrv053> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 30 May 2001 18:01, Alexander Gottwald wrote: > On Wed, 30 May 2001, Heiko Nardmann wrote: > > My problem currently is that I want to use Exceed and XFree86 > > simultaneously. Exceed shall serve screen 0 and XFree86 shall serve > > screen 1. > > Is this possible? > > > > If yes what do I have to change? I tried: > > - - setting DISPLAY in startxwin.bat to 127.0.0.1:0.1, screen for XWin to > > 1 - - setting DISPLAY in startxwin.bat to :0.1, screen for XWin to > > 1 > > the DISPLAY variable is only used by the clients but not by the server. > > > Any help ... ? > > try this: > XWin :1 -screen 0 800x600x16 > the :1 tells xwin to use display 1. The DISPLAY variable needs to be set to > 127.0.0.1:1.0 > > bye > ago Thanks! This worked ... I just found your eMail which was not sorted to my cygwin eMail folder due to an incorrect filter rule. - -- Heiko Nardmann (Dipl.-Ing.), h.nardmann@secunet.de, Software Development secunet Security Networks AG - Sicherheit in Netzwerken (www.secunet.de), Weidenauer Str. 223-225, D-57076 Siegen Tel. : +49 271 48950-13, Fax : +49 271 48950-50 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7FeeJpm53PRScYygRAmPMAKCmUsAfXtf4XRdJipSUjvRc7z0GpACbBNMo vZQMGZ/Oj7jo+hZgft7OIeA= =vohB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From h.nardmann@secunet.de Thu May 31 00:41:00 2001 From: h.nardmann@secunet.de (Heiko Nardmann) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:41:00 -0000 Subject: new to XFree86 on Windows - questions Message-ID: <01053109413100.11171@snsrv053> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have a few questions after the first starting of KDE2 from my Linux machine using XFree86: 1. currently XFree86 seems to use an US keyboard although I have a German one. How/where to change this? 2. I see a title bar "Cygwin/XFree86" and some white borders to the right and bottom of my screen although I started XWin with 1600x1200 which is my WIndows resolution. How do I get full screen? This results in some graphics errors, too. 3. are there some possibilities to do some tuning? switching desktops in KDE is significantly slower with XFree86 than with the commercial Exceed. 4. is there somewhere a X display chooser? I tried the XWin "-broadcast" option but only got the standard display from my Linux machine and not the list of available machines with XDMs. - -- Heiko Nardmann (Dipl.-Ing.), h.nardmann@secunet.de, Software Development secunet Security Networks AG - Sicherheit in Netzwerken (www.secunet.de), Weidenauer Str. 223-225, D-57076 Siegen Tel. : +49 271 48950-13, Fax : +49 271 48950-50 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7FfW0pm53PRScYygRAlUNAJwLjObCF/GUkoHx2hLAM8YRDsX5awCgtgyo 75XxG9cskegP0TgYHhJIPZ4= =hNq3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no Thu May 31 01:03:00 2001 From: Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no (Idar Tollefsen) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:03:00 -0000 Subject: Color problems Message-ID: > What X BTW?? assuming cygwin X. > check the cygwin-x mailinglist instead.. Yes, it is Cygwin/XFree86, which I assumed was obvious as I posted to the cygwin-xfree lis. Which I also tought _was_ the cygwin-x mailinglist...? > Have you unpacked everything you need, > can you find a rgb.txt file?? Yes. There are two rgb.txt files, one in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 and one in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/X11 I have however no environment variabel pointing to any of them. Should I have? - IT From flognat@flognat.myip.org Thu May 31 01:32:00 2001 From: flognat@flognat.myip.org (Andrew Markebo) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:32:00 -0000 Subject: new to XFree86 on Windows - questions References: <01053109413100.11171@snsrv053> Message-ID: / Heiko Nardmann wrote: | I have a few questions after the first starting of KDE2 from my Linux machine | using XFree86: | | 1. currently XFree86 seems to use an US keyboard although I have a German | one. How/where to change this? Search the archives for xmodmap.. :-) There are keyboards to download and try out. | 2. I see a title bar "Cygwin/XFree86" and some white borders to the right and | bottom of my screen although I started XWin with 1600x1200 which is my | WIndows resolution. How do I get full screen? There are a switch -fullscreen if my memory doesn't fail me.. | This results in some graphics errors, too. Most of the stuff printed out are for debugging purposes.. | 3. are there some possibilities to do some tuning? switching desktops in KDE | is significantly slower with XFree86 than with the commercial Exceed. The `problem' might be that the people are trying to get it to work, writing docs and so on ;-) You can tune if you want :-) /Andy From Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no Thu May 31 01:47:00 2001 From: Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no (Idar Tollefsen) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:47:00 -0000 Subject: Start position Message-ID: Hello, Is there a way to specify the top/left coordinates where I want Cygwin/XFree86 to appear? I have the task bar at the top of my screen. When XFree86 starts, it places itself at the leftmost top of the screen, which is then right under the task bar. To move it, I first have to move the task bar. - IT From Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Thu May 31 03:49:00 2001 From: Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Gottwald) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 03:49:00 -0000 Subject: new to XFree86 on Windows - questions References: <01053109413100.11171@snsrv053> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 May 2001, Heiko Nardmann wrote: > 4. is there somewhere a X display chooser? I tried the XWin "-broadcast" > option but only got the standard display from my Linux machine and not the > list of available machines with XDMs. > > try the switch -indirect linuxbox. This will give you this list. Broadcast will always take the first responding xdm as login server. bye ago -- Alexander.Gottwald@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de http://www.gotti.org +49 3725 3498080 From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 04:11:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 04:11:00 -0000 Subject: new to XFree86 on Windows - questions Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AD1@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> All of your questions had been discussed several times at the mailing list. Can you please do a search on mailing list archives? I am sure you will find answers. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Nardmann [ mailto:h.nardmann@secunet.de ] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:42 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com > Subject: new to XFree86 on Windows - questions > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have a few questions after the first starting of KDE2 from > my Linux machine > using XFree86: > > 1. currently XFree86 seems to use an US keyboard although I > have a German > one. How/where to change this? > > 2. I see a title bar "Cygwin/XFree86" and some white borders > to the right and > bottom of my screen although I started XWin with 1600x1200 > which is my > WIndows resolution. How do I get full screen? > This results in some graphics errors, too. > > 3. are there some possibilities to do some tuning? switching > desktops in KDE > is significantly slower with XFree86 than with the commercial Exceed. > > 4. is there somewhere a X display chooser? I tried the XWin > "-broadcast" > option but only got the standard display from my Linux > machine and not the > list of available machines with XDMs. > > > - -- > Heiko Nardmann (Dipl.-Ing.), h.nardmann@secunet.de, Software > Development > secunet Security Networks AG - Sicherheit in Netzwerken (www.secunet.de), Weidenauer Str. 223-225, D-57076 Siegen Tel. : +49 271 48950-13, Fax : +49 271 48950-50 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7FfW0pm53PRScYygRAlUNAJwLjObCF/GUkoHx2hLAM8YRDsX5awCgtgyo 75XxG9cskegP0TgYHhJIPZ4= =hNq3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 04:57:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 04:57:00 -0000 Subject: Not your normal DISPLAY problem. Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AD4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> I suspect it is problem on your local machine. A while ago one of the user had similar problem and he was able to fix it by reinstalling Windows :-O Search mail archive, please. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Sanderson [ mailto:larrys@mrstock.com ] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:19 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi; cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Re: Not your normal DISPLAY problem. > > > See comments inline... > > > Are there any VPN, or Firewall software of "second fully > functionalmachine"? > Nope. Both are on the same subnet, with no special > > > When you start X-server do you get X-desktop? > Yup. The desktop comes up nicely. In fact, X sessions from > the remote > machine are working correctly... Just X sessions from > localhost are failing > > > Can you run the following simple test from a bash shell? > > > > From Cygwin bash shell cd to /usr/X11R6/bin > > > > DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 > > Export DISPLAY > No problems here... an 'echo $DISPLAY' verifies the value > 127.0.0.1:0.0 > > > ./Xwin :0& > The X-desktop apears here, as expected. > > > ./xterm& > > ./twm& > Both these return the same "Can't open display". > > > You should see an X-desktop, then an xterm. If Xwin does > not start please > > post exact error messages to the list. > > > > Suhaib > > Thanks for your help, but I've spent a couple days on this, > and I can't seem > to find the problem. It's as if the X-programs are failing > to communicate > over the network. Could it be somewhere in the network > settings? At this > point I'm pretty sure it isn't actually a problem with the > DISPLAY variable. > > Thanks for any further help you can offer. > > -Larry > > > > > > At first glance, the "Can't open display" error I'm > getting seems the > > > run-of-the-mill variety... Just make sure the X-server is > running, and > the > > > DISPLAY variable is properly set. But... > > > > > > If I'm on a second (fully functional) box, and set the > DISPLAY to point > to > > > the problem machine, the X-programs pop up just fine. So, > the X-server > > > seems > > > to be running correctly. If I'm on the first and point > the DISPLAY to > > > itself (or to the second fully functional one) then > nothing works... I > > > always get the "Can't open display" error. > > > > > > It seems as though either the DISPLAY variable isn't being read > correctly, > > > or I'm doing something incredibly stupid. > > > > > > Any insight? > > > > > > -Larry > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 04:57:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 04:57:00 -0000 Subject: Start position Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AD2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Not something I am aware of. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Idar Tollefsen [ mailto:Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no ] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 4:47 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Start position > > > Hello, > > Is there a way to specify the top/left > coordinates where I want Cygwin/XFree86 > to appear? > > I have the task bar at the top of my screen. > When XFree86 starts, it places itself at the > leftmost top of the screen, which is then > right under the task bar. To move it, > I first have to move the task bar. > > > - IT > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 04:57:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 04:57:00 -0000 Subject: Color problems Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AD3@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Did you by chance extracted the *.tar files with Winzip or any other unzip software instead of tar which comes with Cygwin? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Idar Tollefsen [ mailto:Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no ] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 4:03 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Re: Color problems > > > > What X BTW?? assuming cygwin X. > > check the cygwin-x mailinglist instead.. > > Yes, it is Cygwin/XFree86, which I assumed > was obvious as I posted to the cygwin-xfree > lis. Which I also tought _was_ the cygwin-x > mailinglist...? > > > Have you unpacked everything you need, > > can you find a rgb.txt file?? > > Yes. There are two rgb.txt files, one in > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 > and one in > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/X11 > > I have however no environment > variabel pointing to any of them. > Should I have? > > > - IT > > From Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no Thu May 31 05:04:00 2001 From: Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no (Idar Tollefsen) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 05:04:00 -0000 Subject: Color problems Message-ID: > Did you by chance extracted the *.tar files with Winzip or any other unzip > software instead of tar which comes with Cygwin? No. I followed the installation instructions to the letter. - IT >>> What X BTW?? assuming cygwin X. >>> check the cygwin-x mailinglist instead.. >> Yes, it is Cygwin/XFree86, which I assumed >> was obvious as I posted to the cygwin-xfree >> lis. Which I also tought _was_ the cygwin-x >> mailinglist...? >>> Have you unpacked everything you need, >>> can you find a rgb.txt file?? >> Yes. There are two rgb.txt files, one in >> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 >> and one in >> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/X11 >> I have however no environment >> variabel pointing to any of them. >> Should I have? From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 05:22:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 05:22:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AD6@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Because more contributors are joining this project therefore some points needs to be mentioned about Copyright issues. When I started this project (Cygwin/Xfree86) two years ago, I assigned my Copyright to Cygwin Solutions, which is now Red Hat. It means contributors to this project will retain AUTORSHIP, but Copyright will be owned by Red Hat, just like Cygwin. The Source code changes to Xfree86 source tree were transferred to Xfree86 Inc. under their license agreement. However, other material posted or contributed to this project, such as Url, HTML pages, User Guides and FAQ etc etc, authors retain Authorship, not the Copyright. Per my Assignment to Red Hat when I started the project, it had been brought to my attention, that "All the documents contributions must be under GFDL and add a Copyright Red Hat to the docs". If any one of you wants to discuss this issue, please e-mail me privately. Thanks Suhaib From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 05:52:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 05:52:00 -0000 Subject: Color problems Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AD8@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Try using showrgb from a bash shell cd /usr/X11R6/bin showrgb let me know what values you see for missing colors? Also do you have .Xdefaults files etc in your $HOME directory? Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Idar Tollefsen [ mailto:Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no ] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:04 AM > To: cygwin-xfree@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: RE: Color problems > > > > Did you by chance extracted the *.tar files with Winzip or > any other unzip > > software instead of tar which comes with Cygwin? > > No. I followed the installation instructions to the letter. > > > - IT > > > >>> What X BTW?? assuming cygwin X. > >>> check the cygwin-x mailinglist instead.. > > >> Yes, it is Cygwin/XFree86, which I assumed > >> was obvious as I posted to the cygwin-xfree > >> lis. Which I also tought _was_ the cygwin-x > >> mailinglist...? > > >>> Have you unpacked everything you need, > >>> can you find a rgb.txt file?? > > >> Yes. There are two rgb.txt files, one in > >> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 > >> and one in > >> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/X11 > > >> I have however no environment > >> variabel pointing to any of them. > >> Should I have? > > From Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no Thu May 31 06:24:00 2001 From: Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no (Idar Tollefsen) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 06:24:00 -0000 Subject: Color problems Message-ID: > Try using showrgb from a bash shell > cd /usr/X11R6/bin > showrgb > let me know what values you see for missing colors? None. showrgb seems to output the entire content of the rgb.txt file, but it gives no error messages of any kind, nor anything else that would indicate a problem. > Also do you have .Xdefaults files etc in > your $HOME directory? No, I don't. - IT From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 12:32:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:32:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: Suhaib, > When I started this project (Cygwin/Xfree86) two years ago, I assigned my > Copyright to Cygwin Solutions, which is now Red Hat. I'm pretty sure the copyright assignment form that Cygwin requests only applies to contributions to the Cygwin project. In any case, your having filled out the form only has an effect on what you write, not what anyone else writes :) > The Source code changes to Xfree86 source tree were > transferred to Xfree86 Inc. under their license agreement. Contributions to the XFree86 tree generally have the copyright owned by the author of the file; you'd have to fill out some very strange legal forms to assign XFree86 contributions to RedHat, and there isn't really any reason to do so. Copyright of the changes I have made generally belong to XFree86, though I really should have filled out some paperwork indicating this transfer of copyright on the new files that I made. > However, other > material posted or contributed to this project, such as Url, HTML pages, > User Guides and FAQ etc etc, authors retain Authorship, not the Copyright. That all depends on what the author chose to do with the copyright when they wrote the works in question. Posting a work on a RedHat owned web server does not constitute a transfer of copyright, as copyright transfer is a legal mechanism that requires formal paperwork. For example, the Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide and the Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ (draft) both are copyrighted by Harold L Hunt II (me :). Furthermore, the GNU FDL that is contained in both documents is copyrighted by the Free Software Foundation; I really doubt that RMS would agree that posting the FSF's FDL license on a web server constitues a transfer of copyright :) I chose to retain the copyright on my writings primarily because doing otherwise would require: 1) Finding an organization that wishes to vigorously defend the copyright of the works I have produced 2) I can't just arbitrarily decide that the copyright on my work belongs to someone else, I have to sign legal paperwork in order for the copyright transfer to hold up in court; failing to do so would likely result in the works becoming public domain, which was not my original intention. I should point out that public domain is undesireable because it lacks the "copyleft" of the FDL which allows any future author to modify my original works. For example, Company Foo could modify a public domain document, Baz, and they could prevent others from publishing or distributing those modifications. Whereas the FDL forces any modifications of the original work to be licensed under the FDL, ad infinitum. I don't fully understand why this has been brought up at all? If it has anything to due with questions of what would happen should the author of certain works become unavailable, then the answer is simple. The FDL and X licenses allow everyone to do almost anything they wish with the works that I have produced. For example, the Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide can be modified, printed, distributed on purple paper with white polka dots, or disregarded entirely; all of these uses and more are permitted by the FDL, regardless of what I think :) Source code that I have produced under the X license allows the previously mentioned freedoms plus the ability to modify what I have done without releasing your modifications in source code form. Ownership of the copyright on works related to Cygwin/XFree86 only determines whom is obligated to prosecute offending parties if the terms of the licenses covering the works are violated. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 12:41:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:41:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Harold > > When I started this project (Cygwin/Xfree86) two years ago, > I assigned my > > Copyright to Cygwin Solutions, which is now Red Hat. > That is Cygnus solutions. > I'm pretty sure the copyright assignment form that Cygwin > requests only > applies to contributions to the Cygwin project. > > In any case, your having filled out the form only has an > effect on what you > write, not what anyone else writes :) Not necessarily. I m not a lawyer, but assignmentw as for project. > > > The Source code changes to Xfree86 source tree were > > transferred to Xfree86 Inc. under their license agreement. > > Contributions to the XFree86 tree generally have the > copyright owned by the > author of the file; you'd have to fill out some very strange > legal forms to > assign XFree86 contributions to RedHat, and there isn't > really any reason to > do so. That goes to Xfree86 according to X license as I said :-) > > Copyright of the changes I have made generally belong to > XFree86, though I > really should have filled out some paperwork indicating this > transfer of > copyright on the new files that I made. Yes, my changes to source code belong to Xfree86 too > > > However, other > > material posted or contributed to this project, such as > Url, HTML pages, > > User Guides and FAQ etc etc, authors retain Authorship, not > the Copyright. > > That all depends on what the author chose to do with the > copyright when they > wrote the works in question. Posting a work on a RedHat > owned web server > does not constitute a transfer of copyright, as copyright > transfer is a > legal mechanism that requires formal paperwork. Red Hat has the right to remove it. That is what I had been told. RedHat will give you authorship, but copyright you need to discuss with Chris Faylor directly. If he allows I will leave everyones document as it is. > > For example, the Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide and the > Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ > (draft) both are copyrighted by Harold L Hunt II (me :). FAQ cannot be copyright by you. I first wrote FAQ and Rob modified it. Technically and legally there are several authors. That is another question we need to resolve peacfully through private communications :-) > Furthermore, the > GNU FDL that is contained in both documents is copyrighted by the Free > Software Foundation; I really doubt that RMS would agree that > posting the > FSF's FDL license on a web server constitues a transfer of > copyright :) > > I chose to retain the copyright on my writings primarily because doing > otherwise would require: > 1) Finding an organization that wishes to vigorously defend > the copyright of > the works I have produced > 2) I can't just arbitrarily decide that the copyright on my > work belongs to > someone else, Then do not post please without first clearing with people in-charge of the project. I follow the same Guidelines I do not post something which might raise questions later. In that case I consult with RedHat folks first to clarify and get permission. Your rest of the GFDL I leave as it is because I am not a legal expert to answer I know Cygwin and many software are GPL and copyright belong to RedHat and respective companies. Suhaib >I have to sign legal paperwork in order for the > copyright > transfer to hold up in court; failing to do so would likely > result in the > works becoming public domain, which was not my original intention. > > I should point out that public domain is undesireable because > it lacks the > "copyleft" of the FDL which allows any future author to > modify my original > works. For example, Company Foo could modify a public domain > document, Baz, > and they could prevent others from publishing or distributing those > modifications. Whereas the FDL forces any modifications of > the original > work to be licensed under the FDL, ad infinitum. > > I don't fully understand why this has been brought up at all? > If it has > anything to due with questions of what would happen should > the author of > certain works become unavailable, then the answer is simple. > The FDL and X > licenses allow everyone to do almost anything they wish with > the works that > I have produced. For example, the Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide can be > modified, printed, distributed on purple paper with white > polka dots, or > disregarded entirely; all of these uses and more are > permitted by the FDL, > regardless of what I think :) Source code that I have > produced under the X > license allows the previously mentioned freedoms plus the > ability to modify > what I have done without releasing your modifications in > source code form. > > Ownership of the copyright on works related to Cygwin/XFree86 only > determines whom is obligated to prosecute offending parties > if the terms of > the licenses covering the works are violated. > > Harold > From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 13:06:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:06:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > > I'm pretty sure the copyright assignment form that Cygwin > > requests only > > applies to contributions to the Cygwin project. > > > > In any case, your having filled out the form only has an > > effect on what you > > write, not what anyone else writes :) > > Not necessarily. I m not a lawyer, but assignmentw as for project. I'm not a lawyer either, but I really doubt that your signing a document several years ago has any application to my actions :) Really, there is no way that your having filled out the copyright assignment form could apply to my works. You'd have to have my power of attorney in order to sign away the rights on my works, and last I checked, we haven't made any such arrangements :) > > > However, other > > > material posted or contributed to this project, such as > > Url, HTML pages, > > > User Guides and FAQ etc etc, authors retain Authorship, not > > the Copyright. > > > > That all depends on what the author chose to do with the > > copyright when they > > wrote the works in question. Posting a work on a RedHat > > owned web server > > does not constitute a transfer of copyright, as copyright > > transfer is a > > legal mechanism that requires formal paperwork. > > > Red Hat has the right to remove it. That is what I had been told. > RedHat will give you authorship, but copyright you need to discuss > with Chris Faylor directly. If he allows I will leave everyones document > as it is. We did discuss it with Chris Faylor: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2000-q3/msg00459.html He said he had no problem with uploading the Cygwin/XFre86 User's Guide because it was distributed under the GNU FDL. > > For example, the Cygwin/XFree86 User's Guide and the > > Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ > > (draft) both are copyrighted by Harold L Hunt II (me :). > > > FAQ cannot be copyright by you. I first wrote FAQ and Rob modified it. > Technically and legally there are several authors. That is > another question > we need to resolve peacfully through private communications :-) I most definitely do NOT own the copyright on the FAQ located at: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/faq.html I never claimed to own the copyright on that document, please carefully re-read my original statement of which works I own the copyright on. The copyright for that page is most likely held by RedHat, through your prior arrangements with them. However, there is no copyright notice on the aforementioned page, so a court might declare (in an unlikely event that someone would bring the FAQ before a court, lol) that it has become public domain :( I was very careful to mention that I own the copyright on the Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ (draft, herein refereed to as 'draft FAQ'), not on the FAQ located at the address given above. I was very careful to ensure that all of the writing in the draft FAQ was my own, as the lack of a license or copyright on the original FAQ made me kind of nervous :) The lack of a license and copyright on the original FAQ makes up part of the reason why I did not immediately rewrite all of the questions that were present in the original FAQ. I can read a document, and I can write something on a similar topic to a document that I have read, but I have to make sure that everything I write is distinct from the original document and is written in my own words (unless I cite a passage from the original document). Trust me, I thought about all of these questions way before I ever started writing the draft FAQ. :) > Then do not post please without first clearing with people > in-charge of the > project. > I follow the same Guidelines I do not post something which might raise > questions later. > In that case I consult with RedHat folks first to clarify and get > permission. Yup, Chris Faylor already gave his blessing (same link as above): http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2000-q3/msg00459.html > Your rest of the GFDL I leave as it is because I am not a legal expert to > answer > I know Cygwin and many software are GPL and copyright belong to RedHat and > respective companies. That is because RedHat, and other companies, want to be able to defend the works that they license for other people to use, and they also want to be able to distribute those works under less restrictive, or even closed-source licenses, as a revenue generating activity. RedHat has to own the copyright on *every* contribution to Cygwin so that they may distribute under other licenses. However, RedHat does not need to own the copyright on my documentation, as they will never distribute it under any other license than the GNU FDL. Furthermore, my assigning the copyright on my works to RedHat could open them up to litigation, for they would be the ones hauled into court if one of my documents was ever accused of breaking someone else's copyright. I'd much rather keep the copyright with myself and bear the legal burden on my own :) The GNU FDL is to documentation what the GNU GPL is to source code. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 13:16:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:16:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE3@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > I'm not a lawyer either, but I really doubt that your signing > a document > several years ago has any application to my actions :) > Really, there is no > way that your having filled out the copyright assignment form > could apply to > my works. You'd have to have my power of attorney in order > to sign away the > rights on my works, and last I checked, we haven't made any such > arrangements :) I am not signing away your work. First of all source code is different then documents. The questions I raised because I was asked. They are different issues. If you do not want to change the copyright notice, and RedHat does not allow me to keep your copyright as you posted I will delete those documents. Unfortunately I will have no choice. Because when you use some commercial company server you sometimes have to follow their rules. I did not make arrangements with you but anyone I grant CVS access I assume that things needs to be checked with me first. There were certain guidelines were told to me by RedHat when they decided to host Cygwin/Xfree86 project and I need to follow those guidelins. If you have objections to transfer copyright, which is fine for me. You have freedom not to do so, and RedHat has freedom to delete the artcile which does not confer to rules which I agreed when I was assigned project leadership. > > > legal mechanism that requires formal paperwork. > > > > > > Red Hat has the right to remove it. That is what I had been told. > > RedHat will give you authorship, but copyright you need to discuss > > with Chris Faylor directly. If he allows I will leave > everyones document > > as it is. > > We did discuss it with Chris Faylor: > http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2000-q3/msg00459.html That is why I said if he allows. > I most definitely do NOT own the copyright on the FAQ located at: > http://xfree86.cygwin.com/faq.html > > I never claimed to own the copyright on that document, please > carefully > re-read my original statement of which works I own the copyright on. > > The copyright for that page is most likely held by RedHat, > through your > prior arrangements with them. However, there is no copyright > notice on the > aforementioned page, so a court might declare (in an unlikely > event that > someone would bring the FAQ before a court, lol) that it has > become public > domain :( > > I was very careful to mention that I own the copyright on the > Cygwin/XFree86 > FAQ (draft, herein refereed to as 'draft FAQ'), not on the > FAQ located at > the address given above. You are confusing Harold :-) What is adraft? What is a final document? Why copyright on draft and why you have not given a diff file against current FAQ so Rob can work on it. Am I misunderstanding that you do not want conetnts of current FAQ while important in the your draft. Only draft cannot be posted. Draft is a draft and only final document will be posted which will contain yours and everyone contribution. You need to get things clear at your end please. Suhaib >I was very careful to ensure that all of the > writing in the draft FAQ was my own, as the lack of a license > or copyright > on the original FAQ made me kind of nervous :) The lack of a > license and > copyright on the original FAQ makes up part of the reason why > I did not > immediately rewrite all of the questions that were present in > the original > FAQ. I can read a document, and I can write something on a > similar topic to > a document that I have read, but I have to make sure that > everything I write > is distinct from the original document and is written in my own words > (unless I cite a passage from the original document). > > Trust me, I thought about all of these questions way before I > ever started > writing the draft FAQ. :) > > > Then do not post please without first clearing with people > > in-charge of the > > project. > > I follow the same Guidelines I do not post something which > might raise > > questions later. > > In that case I consult with RedHat folks first to clarify and get > > permission. > > Yup, Chris Faylor already gave his blessing (same link as above): > http://xfree86.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2000-q3/msg00459.html > > > Your rest of the GFDL I leave as it is because I am not a > legal expert to > > answer > > I know Cygwin and many software are GPL and copyright > belong to RedHat and > > respective companies. > > That is because RedHat, and other companies, want to be able > to defend the > works that they license for other people to use, and they > also want to be > able to distribute those works under less restrictive, or > even closed-source > licenses, as a revenue generating activity. RedHat has to > own the copyright > on *every* contribution to Cygwin so that they may distribute > under other > licenses. However, RedHat does not need to own the copyright on my > documentation, as they will never distribute it under any > other license than > the GNU FDL. Furthermore, my assigning the copyright on my > works to RedHat > could open them up to litigation, for they would be the ones > hauled into > court if one of my documents was ever accused of breaking > someone else's > copyright. I'd much rather keep the copyright with myself > and bear the > legal burden on my own :) > > The GNU FDL is to documentation what the GNU GPL is to source code. > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 13:21:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:21:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > on the original FAQ made me kind of nervous :) The lack of a > license and > copyright on the original FAQ makes up part of the reason why > I did not > immediately rewrite all of the questions that were present in > the original > FAQ. I can read a document, and I can write something on a > similar topic to > a document that I have read, but I have to make sure that > everything I write > is distinct from the original document and is written in my own words > (unless I cite a passage from the original document). > > Trust me, I thought about all of these questions way before I > ever started > writing the draft FAQ. :) > That means you intentionally trying to avoid and walk around others work? That itself is a copyright infringment, I just walk over to my company Patent and TradeMark attorney in-house office. That is what he told me when he read your above paragraph. You ae intentiuonally taking my prior work, walking around it to avoid my authorship? I see that is why on my several calls in the list that why points from original FAQ which were important were missing? You got very upset on that and said it is a draft and they will be included. I thought you sent a diff file to Rob and in one message you wrote you are working on to include it but you never did. In its current form I DO NOT approve your FAQ to be posted at Cygwin/XFree86 server. Sorry about it. Regards Suhaib From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 13:24:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:24:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE3@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > What is adraft? What is a final document? Why copyright on draft > and why you have not given a diff file against current FAQ so Rob can > work on it. Am I misunderstanding that you do not want conetnts of > current FAQ while important in the your draft. Only draft cannot > be posted. > Draft is a draft and only final document will be posted which will contain > yours > and everyone contribution. You need to get things clear at your > end please. When I say Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ (draft), it is a formal reference to the document of that title, which I created, that is currently in draft form. This is all as opposed to The Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ, located at: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/faq.html I always try to be very clear about what I am referring to, thus I am always repeating filesystem paths, filenames, document titles, function names, etc. Just imagine trying to follow what I am referring to if I started replacing proper names with 'it', 'that', 'this', etc. :) Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 13:26:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:26:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE5@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > When I say Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ (draft), it is a formal reference to the > document of that title, which I created, that is currently in > draft form. > This is all as opposed to The Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ, located at: > http://xfree86.cygwin.com/faq.html WHAT is Cygwin/Xfree86 draft. You are attempting to confuse everyone? Cygwin/XFree86 is a project and FAQ was already there. You said you wanted to modify it so include missing points? Suhaib > > I always try to be very clear about what I am referring to, > thus I am always > repeating filesystem paths, filenames, document titles, > function names, etc. > Just imagine trying to follow what I am referring to if I > started replacing > proper names with 'it', 'that', 'this', etc. :) > > Harold > From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 13:33:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:33:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE4@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > That means you intentionally trying to avoid and walk around others > work? That itself is a copyright infringment, I just walk over to > my company Patent and TradeMark attorney in-house office. That is what he > told > me when he read your above paragraph. You ae intentiuonally taking my > prior work, walking around it to avoid my authorship? Better get a new company attorney :) Have you ever read a book about DOS, UNIX, the X Window System, Windows, or even a dictionary? Well, then by the logic given above, you would be violating copyrights on everything you have ever written on this list. My point, if it was not clear, was that reading a document on a particular topic does not forever ban you from writing on that very same topic. > I see that is why on my several calls in the list that why points from > original FAQ which were important were missing? You got very > upset on that > and said it is a draft and they will be included. I thought you > sent a diff > file to Rob > and in one message you wrote you are working on to include it > but you never did. Right, because everything started getting nasty. I have intentions of covering some issues that may (and I'm being careful with the wording now that you're talking to attorneys :) be covered by your document at some point in the near future when I have time. > In its current form I DO NOT approve your FAQ to be posted at > Cygwin/XFree86 > server. > Sorry about it. Why are we back to this? Did I just say, "hey, post my draft FAQ on the web site, now!"? Did I ever say to post my draft FAQ on the website? Nope, I sure didn't, because it is a draft. >From Merriam-Webster: draft - noun - 5.c. a preliminary sketch, outline, or version You'd have to be kidding me if you honestly think that I would want to post a preliminary outline in place of the existing FAQ. Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 13:37:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:37:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE5@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > WHAT is Cygwin/Xfree86 draft. You are attempting to confuse > everyone? Cygwin/XFree86 is a project and FAQ was already there. > You said you wanted to modify it so include missing points? I don't see how you can be confused: http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html "Cygwin/XFree86 Frequently Asked Questions" is the complete title of my draft of a new FAQ. "Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ" is an abbreviated title of the same document. I have been additionally qualifying references to my work with "(draft)" so as to prevent any confusion about which document I am referring to. "The Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ" is the complete title of the existing FAQ located at: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/faq.html Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 13:46:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:46:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE3@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > I am not signing away your work. First of all source code is different > then documents. The questions I raised because I was asked. They are > different issues. If there are concerns regarding the license on my works, then refer to these GNU FDL sections: 2 - Verbatim copying 3 - Copying in quantity 4 - Modifications The GNU Free Documentation License can be read online at: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html A copy of the GNU Free Documentation License is included with both of the documents I have written. Those three sections make it quite clear that anyone is free to do almost anything that they would like to do with my works, that was my deliberate intention. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 13:46:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:46:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE6@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> = > > That means you intentionally trying to avoid and walk around others > > work? That itself is a copyright infringment, I just walk over to > > my company Patent and TradeMark attorney in-house office. > That is what he > > told > > me when he read your above paragraph. You ae > intentiuonally taking my > > prior work, walking around it to avoid my authorship? > > Better get a new company attorney :) Silly. I think you need to read better and consult and get some advice what you are talking :-) The attroney we had was attorney who prosecuted several big coproration for copyright and trademark infringments and won every single case. > > Have you ever read a book about DOS, UNIX, the X Window > System, Windows, or > even a dictionary? Well, then by the logic given above, you would be > violating copyrights on everything you have ever written on this list. I suggest you need to read I do not. > > My point, if it was not clear, was that reading a document on > a particular > topic does not forever ban you from writing on that very same topic. Again vague and confusing sentences. :) I do not know why you are saying something vague and confusing. > > > I see that is why on my several calls in the list that why > points from > > original FAQ which were important were missing? You got very > > upset on that > > and said it is a draft and they will be included. I thought you > > sent a diff > > file to Rob > > and in one message you wrote you are working on to include it > > but you never did. > > Right, because everything started getting nasty. No one made it nasty. I raised questions and you got upset. > > I have intentions of covering some issues that may (and I'm > being careful > with the wording now that you're talking to attorneys :) be > covered by your > document at some point in the near future when I have time. If we agree to include all the points, which we need because current FAQ includes a lots of important aspects which youd so-called DRAFT does not then we will post your FAQ, otherwise current FAQ will stay and yours incomplete draft cannot be posted. > > > In its current form I DO NOT approve your FAQ to be posted at > > Cygwin/XFree86 > > server. > > Sorry about it. > > Why are we back to this? Because I do not want to sit here and answer questions which users asked over last two years and I put them in FAQ. If everything is included, then YES I will gladly post your FAQ and your contributions will be appreciated and acknowledged. > > Did I just say, "hey, post my draft FAQ on the web site, > now!"? Did I ever > say to post my draft FAQ on the website? Nope, I sure > didn't, because it is > a draft. > > From Merriam-Webster: > draft - noun - 5.c. a preliminary sketch, outline, or version > first draft> > > You'd have to be kidding me if you honestly think that I > would want to post > a preliminary outline in place of the existing FAQ. Ok, can you create a diff file of your FAQ against current FAQ and mail it to me so I can pass on to ROB and get everything included? You will retain the "authroship". I have told Rob to keep authorship to Harold. I do not care about authorship. It is not an issue for me. I do care that I do not sit here and answer the emails from users with questions which I already put in current FAQ. If you can PLEASE create a diff file send it to me or to Rob directly. You FAQ qill go online. I request you change the lines Copyright (c)2000 Harold Hunt to Authorship (c)2000 Harold Hunt. I hope this should not be a big deal for you. The document is already under GFDL which is acceptable by Red Hat. To make it clear again, I already have over 40 puiblications and I do not need an authorship of a FAQ, but I do not have time to answer emails about questions which had been covered already in current FAQ. If you can resolve these issues with Rob directly I will give him a GO AHEAD to post your FAQ. IS THAT FAIR ENOUGH FOR YOU? Thanks Suhaib > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 13:50:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:50:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE7@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> huh? What is the difference between these two title? Cygwin/XFree86 Frequently Asked Questions and Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ What does FAQ stands for? Strange logic? Just like my company is IBM and yours is International Business Machines, though you used abbreviation IBM, but I do not use International Business machines therefore I own the IBM title. tell that to IBM they will send their battalion of lawyers after you :-) Anyway, please follow what I wrote in the last paragraphs of my previous mail if you can meet those requests, we will post your FAQ. I believe that should be a fair solution for you. Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 4:37 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: cygx > Subject: RE: Copyright [cgf, please comment] > > > > WHAT is Cygwin/Xfree86 draft. You are attempting to confuse > > everyone? Cygwin/XFree86 is a project and FAQ was already there. > > You said you wanted to modify it so include missing points? > > I don't see how you can be confused: > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html > > "Cygwin/XFree86 Frequently Asked Questions" is the complete > title of my > draft of a new FAQ. "Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ" is an abbreviated > title of the > same document. I have been additionally qualifying > references to my work > with "(draft)" so as to prevent any confusion about which > document I am > referring to. > > "The Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ" is the complete title of the > existing FAQ located > at: > http://xfree86.cygwin.com/faq.html > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 13:56:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:56:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE8@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> sues. > > If there are concerns regarding the license on my works, then > refer to these > GNU FDL sections: > 2 - Verbatim copying > 3 - Copying in quantity > 4 - Modifications Harold that is license from GNU. I request do you agree to change the line Copyright (c) 2000 Harold Hunt to Authroship 2000 Harold Hunt? It should be no issue. You will be author of your documents, and we will have an easy solution of avoiding putting Copyright noticed on Red hat server which does not belong to RedHat. That is all I asked. It should not be a big issue for an opensource project. Opensource project will help you for your resume when you go to job market, you can still show you are the author and that is all the employer cares ;-) > > The GNU Free Documentation License can be read online at: > http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html > > A copy of the GNU Free Documentation License is included with > both of the > documents I have written. > > Those three sections make it quite clear that anyone is free > to do almost > anything that they would like to do with my works, that was > my deliberate > intention. You are allowed to modify, etc any GPL software too, but you do not own the copyright? That is a license issue. You own the authorship of only modified portion if you choose to stick a note on the modified portion of the code and/or document. Thanks Suhaib > > Harold > From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 14:00:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:00:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE6@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > > Better get a new company attorney :) > > Silly. I think you need to read better and consult and get some advice > what you are talking :-) The attroney we had was attorney who prosecuted > several big coproration for copyright and trademark infringments and won > every single case. Tell him to sue me. I dare you, and him. > I suggest you need to read I do not. What the hell is that supposed to mean? > > My point, if it was not clear, was that reading a document on > > a particular > > topic does not forever ban you from writing on that very same topic. > > Again vague and confusing sentences. :) I do not know why you are saying > something vague and confusing. Are you kidding? Please, tell me that you are joking. > Because I do not want to sit here and answer questions which users asked > over > last two years and I put them in FAQ. If everything is included, then YES > I will gladly post your FAQ and your contributions will be appreciated > and acknowledged. Am I talking to a fricking brick wall? I told you, oh, about fifteen times now, that I NEVER SAID THAT MY DRAFT FAQ WAS READY TO BE POSTED ON THE WEB SITE. GOT IT? > Ok, can you create a diff file of your FAQ against current FAQ and mail it > to me > so I can pass on to ROB and get everything included? You will retain the > "authroship". > I have told Rob to keep authorship to Harold. I do not care about > authorship. It is not > an issue for me. I do care that I do not sit here and answer the emails > from users > with questions which I already put in current FAQ. If you can > PLEASE create > a diff file > send it to me or to Rob directly. You FAQ qill go online. I request you > change the lines > Copyright (c)2000 Harold Hunt to Authorship (c)2000 Harold Hunt. I hope > this should not be > a big deal for you. The document is already under GFDL which is > acceptable > by Red Hat. > To make it clear again, I already have over 40 puiblications and I do not > need an authorship > of a FAQ, but I do not have time to answer emails about questions > which had > been covered > already in current FAQ. If you can resolve these issues with Rob > directly I > will give him a > GO AHEAD to post your FAQ. IS THAT FAIR ENOUGH FOR YOU? One word: no. I've explained to you several times in very formal, very cordial terms the reasons why I cannot just arbitrarily, and without signing a document, toss the copyright for my works into someone else's lap. I've also explained to you several times that I do not want, nor did I ever suggest, that my draft FAQ be posted on the web site in it's current form. Please, read my emails before responding. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 14:08:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:08:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE9@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > Because I do not want to sit here and answer questions > which users asked > > over > > last two years and I put them in FAQ. If everything is > included, then YES > > I will gladly post your FAQ and your contributions will be > appreciated > > and acknowledged. > > Am I talking to a fricking brick wall? I told you, oh, about > fifteen times > now, that I NEVER SAID THAT MY DRAFT FAQ WAS READY TO BE > POSTED ON THE WEB > SITE. GOT IT? I made a request. Can you send me a diff file current FAQ against yours. I believe Rob requested it from your privately? If you can and agree to what I wrote in a previous mail. There is nothing more to discuss you FAQ will go online as soon as Rob fixes XML bugs etc. A draft cannot keep floating around. It needs to be completed right? Do you agree the missing points from current FAQ should be added to your draft? > I've also explained to you several times that I do not want, > nor did I ever > suggest, that my draft FAQ be posted on the web site in it's > current form. > > Please, read my emails before responding. Harold I know you said several times. What is the purpose of a draft? It should be completed, right? You took the task of creating draft? Can you create a diff file against current FAQ and change Copyright 2000 to Authorship 2000 Harold Hunt in your dcuments? It is a fair solution. Rob will complete the FAQ once he get a diff file and post it to Cygwin/XFree86. Your comptributions are not being argued and I presonally do not want your contributions to be neglected. What I am saying we need to follow some Guidelines. The project already existed when you join it that means someone (fortunately or unfortunately that was me) negotiated the terms with Cygnus Solutions to get access to Sourceware server. Anyone after me who joined, for example Peter and Kara, never raised questions about it. I told them they retain authorship but please do not use sentences like Copyright. They did not have any arguments against it. I hope you understand that for an open source project authorship is more important then Copyright. Copyright is more important if you were a commercial contributor and would have liked to use contributions for a possible future commercial use. Suhaib > > Harold > > From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 14:09:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:09:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE8@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > > If there are concerns regarding the license on my works, then > > refer to these > > GNU FDL sections: > > 2 - Verbatim copying > > 3 - Copying in quantity > > 4 - Modifications > > Harold that is license from GNU. I request do you agree to > change the line > Copyright (c) 2000 Harold Hunt to Authroship 2000 Harold Hunt? > It should be > no issue. > You will be author of your documents, and we will have an easy solution of > avoiding > putting Copyright noticed on Red hat server which does not belong > to RedHat. > That is all > I asked. It should not be a big issue for an opensource project. > Opensource project > will help you for your resume when you go to job market, you can > still show > you are the author > and that is all the employer cares ;-) I swear, I'm talking a brick wall. I don't think a single one of my emails about copyrights has been read. I think I'll write a poem, just because I can... nah, no one is reading anyway... Hey, I bet I could write all sorts of neat stuff in here as a joke, since, you know, nobody seems to be reading what I'm writing. Won't it be funny to come back later and see the replies that missed the funny stuff I wrote? For instance, I could write, "all people that reply to this email wear women's underwear", then I can laugh at everyone that replies to this email :) > You are allowed to modify, etc any GPL software too, but you do not own > the copyright? That is a license issue. You own the authorship of only > modified portion if you choose to stick a note on the modified portion of > the code and/or document. You always own the copyright on works that you produce, unless you specifically and deliberately fill out a copyright transer form and sign it. An example copyright transfer form would be the one that RedHat uses for contributions to Cygwin: http://cygwin.com/assign.txt You are asking me to assign copyright without a copyright transfer form, and I'm telling you that I won't do that because doing so pretty much destroys anyones claim to a copyright on a particular work. When assigning copyrights you have to have a paper trail in order to make a copyright transfer legally binding. Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 14:13:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:13:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AE9@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: Nevermind. Forget that I ever wrote a draft of a new FAQ. If you want to the GNU FDL allows you to copy my contributions into the existing FAQ, but it does require that you retain the copyright and license notification that accompanied the original document. However, I'll have no part in mixing the two together. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 14:14:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:14:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AEA@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > You always own the copyright on works that you produce, unless you > specifically and deliberately fill out a copyright transer > form and sign it. > An example copyright transfer form would be the one that > RedHat uses for > contributions to Cygwin: > http://cygwin.com/assign.txt > > You are asking me to assign copyright without a copyright > transfer form, and > I'm telling you that I won't do that because doing so pretty > much destroys > anyones claim to a copyright on a particular work. When assigning > copyrights you have to have a paper trail in order to make a copyright > transfer legally binding. That Chris can answer. It relates to Cygwin only or not, does it cover our project or not? If he agrees I have no objection. In that case you have to go and change your Copright (c)2000 Harold Hunt on FAQ to Copyright (c) 2000 for Draft only assigned to Harold Hunt, because we will need to include material contributed by others, that is an issue here. I cannot have a document ending with Copyright (c) 2000 Harold Hunt while it contains material contributed by others. I hope you understand what I am saying. Suhaib > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 14:19:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:19:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AEB@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:12 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: cygx > Subject: RE: Copyright [cgf, please comment] > > > Nevermind. Forget that I ever wrote a draft of a new FAQ. > > If you want to the GNU FDL allows you to copy my > contributions into the > existing FAQ, but it does require that you retain the > copyright and license > notification that accompanied the original document. > > However, I'll have no part in mixing the two together. > Fine, then we cannot post it, unfortunately. You need to change the Copyright (c) 2000 Harold Hunt to Copyright (c) 2000 for Draft Only assigned to Harold Hunt (provided Crhis clarify the issues you raised in your previous mail). The problem over FAQ ccame from several people have contributed to FAQ, beside me, and they are not please seeing you come with a draft and your Copyright notice reads like it is claiming the entire contents copyright and authroship notice. If you can adjust it as I suggest, and Chris clarify answer your Cygwin license questions, I will have no objections. Suhaib > Harold > From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 14:20:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:20:00 -0000 Subject: Personal status update Message-ID: Well, I think I'll be primarily off-list for now. I'm still going to be coding features for Cygwin/XFree86 and submitting them to the XFree86 CVS tree. I will also be maintaining my own independent documentation for the project, however the GNU Free Documentation License allows that documentation to be distributed on Cygwin's web server, if the Cygwin/XFree86 project chooses to do so. I will still be posting development status updates to the Cygwin/XFree86 list. I will also answer personal emails regarding feature requests, contributions, etc. In short, I'll be doing everything except touching the Cygwin/XFree86 web site or monitoring and partaking in the general mailing list traffic. If you want to guarantee a reply from me, be sure to CC me in your mailings to the list. Thank you for your interest in the project, Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 14:28:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:28:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AEB@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > The problem over FAQ ccame from several people > have contributed to FAQ, beside me, and they are not please seeing you > come with a draft and your Copyright notice reads like it is claiming > the entire contents copyright and authroship notice. Show me an answer that someone else wrote and I'll be more than happy to site the answer as coming from them. You should know that I actually take pride in citing the work of others, why, just look at all the effort I went to in getting a perfect bibliography entry for Schieffler and Getty's X Window System, just so I could cite two sentences. http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#biblio Now, I'm going to request that you reveal the names of those who are concerned, as I would be more than happy to work with them to address their concerns. If you choose not to reveal the names, then I'll just happily assume that the "people that contacted you" are yourself and Robert Collins, as you're the only two that don't seem to be on easy terms with me. You can't honestly expect me to believe that someone (other than yourself and Robert) would contact you in regards my forgetting to attribute an answer to them, as I have always been more than willing to attribute credit to other people. I can think of a couple people that might claim I have gone too far in doling out credit, as I attributed some diffs to Pierre Humblet that he later recalled (mine were fine), and I have several times given credit to Alexander Gottwald when I merely got the idea of using a particular function call by looking at his code (when implementing an unrelated feature). I'm really going to have to call your bluff on that one, provided that a list of those with concerns never materializes. Harold From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 31 14:29:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:29:00 -0000 Subject: tempers running high... Message-ID: <20010531172918.A25865@redhat.com> I can see that tempers are running high here and I'm not certain what to do about it. It seems ironic that a lot of the heat is being generated because people REALLY want to help but there is disagreement on how to help. For the record, I don't really care much about the copyright issue. I wish I did have a strong opinion about this but I don't. I'm happy to apply the Red Hat stamp to documentation, if it helps. I thought that it was probably important to have a uniform copyright on all of the documentation and I thought that if we put a Red Hat on it, people might think twice about abusing the words that you all have labored over. If I am understanding Suhaib's concerns, I think it is basically the above plus I believe that he is concerned that despite the fact that Harold wrote his text from scratch, there is still some issue of ownership since Harold had already read the previous FAQ. That means that he could be "tainted". Again, I don't think that this is a big deal. No one is going to make any money from this (I think). I would just suggest a copyright like the ones that show up on the Cygwin sources: /* sigproc.cc: inter/intra signal and sub process handler Copyright 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 Red Hat, Inc. Written by Christopher Faylor This file is part of Cygwin. This software is a copyrighted work licensed under the terms of the Cygwin license. Please consult the file "CYGWIN_LICENSE" for details. */ That still gives the writer the recognition they deserve but adds a perceived Red Hat protection to the document. Or, maybe you should just adopt the XFree86 copyrights. I have zero problems with that. Regarding the issue of style sheets and other contributions, it seems like these are just the signs of a project maturing and developing procedures. In my experience, disagreements over style usually result in real improvements in quality, IF you can come to some kind of compromise. I think that Robert has been willing to compromise as long as he understands the issues. That has been my experience with him, at least. I just want to clarify the way things are working currently. It is obvious that Suhaib is the project head and has final veto over everything. Rob is the documentation maintainer (right?) and has final say on the content of documentation except when overruled by Suhaib. Harold is the brilliant programmer who is responsible for a lot (most?) of the recent X server improvements. He has been quite prolific both on the code and documentation front. Me? I'm Uncle Chris. I'm available for consultation and you can all pull my finger for a good laugh, if you want. There are a lot of other contributors here (I'm actually jealous) but I think the three main ones are Suhaib, Robert, and Harold or at least these three are the main ones who show up on the mailing list. I would strongly urge that these three guys "sit down" privately and come up with a game plan for how they want submission flow to operate. Maybe they have more names they want to add to the list. If necessary, I'm even willing to set up a real time chat, if that will help. So, I hope what we're seeing here is the sign of a group suffering growing pains. I'm really proud of the progress that has been made here (as all good uncles are proud of their nieces and nephews) and I hope that we're seeing growth rather than the sign of splintering. So, what do you all think? Should I set up a chat? Not needed? Too late? Go away? Etc? cgf From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 14:33:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:33:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AED@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Following from current FAQ which is very important was written by me, Peter Busch, and if you search mail archive you will a sveral users posted FAQ suggestions and I asked ROB to incorporate them in FAQ. It is an example. 3. Programming and Porting of Software 3.1 3.2 I get errors with references to Screen* functions, when I compile an X-Client. Delete /usr/include/X11 which gets installed by tcl/tk during cygwin installation. ( You may need to do this each time you update cygwin...). These are deprecated X11R5 6 headers, not even complete set and caused problems during X clients compilation. I have some cool X fonts from other X11 systems. How do I convert them to the "foo.pcz" format? The "foo.pcz" is exactly the same as the "foo.pcf.Z" format known from Unix. Just rename your files, copy them to the font directories and run the mkfontdir utility. 3.3 Where is the X contrib kit? Should I port it? Feel free to do so. The contrib. Kit source codes are available from ftp://ftp.x.org 3.4 I have found a cool X utility which I want to port. How should I proceed? Normally, with X utilities, you get an Imakefile. Simply proceed as if you were under Unix. Run xmkmf -a to compile. 3.5 Is there a utility for...? If you don't find it in the distribution. Ask whether someone is already porting it, e.g. in the mailing list, if not, then do it yourself. Applications don't appear magically, unless someone really ports them. So why not YOU? 3.6 Are there games...? At this point no-one has had the time to port games - other things like a working X Server took priority. If you want to play games port them yourself. (And be sure to post your success's so this FAQ entry can be more positive!) 3.7 Will you port XFree86 to Windows, NT, and Windows95? The Cygwin/XFree86 project has ported XFree86 to all the 32-bit versions of windows. The Cygwin/XFree86 project does not plan to port XFree86 to windows 3.11. This includes Win32S for windows 3. 3.8 Is there a better window manager than twm? There are a number of them, e.g. ctwm, fvwm, fvwm95, afterstep, you need to port them yourself, check the ported software page or ask at the mailing list if someone has done it. 3.9 Why is FVWM not the default window manager? It has many advantages, for instance "...." The distribution reflects what is in the core part of XFree86, which offers twm by default. There is more stuff that would be worth becoming part of the standard, such as xv, but ...well, it isn't... 3.10 Do you plan to port Motif? MOTIF is a copyright protected commercial (NOT an Open Source) product. There is also the LessTif project to build a free Motif clone. 3.11 Cygwin/XFree86 is free, but copyrighted software. Is commercial software based on this allowed or welcome? Cygwin/XFree86 requires the use of the GNU GCC compiler and Cygwin. There may be certain restrictions and side effects involved concerning the GPL and the use of certain libraries. I won't discuss this here, but I would refer you to send message to cygwin-info@cygnus.com concerning license requirements. 3.12 Are there static versions of the X libraries? NO. 3.13 Will there be Xaw.DLL, Xt.DLL and Xmu.DLL? There are no plans for them at this pont. GCC is free software, and most stuff written for it is also freely available. Recompile Xaw, Xt and Xmu if you want. However, keep the following in mind: "One of the biggest issues with X on Win32 is the moronic DLL format. Specifically - it is not possible to export data from a Win32 DLL in a form that can be used to statically initialize another global variable. Data access from a DLL requires at least one pointer indirection, and hence executable code. This is why X11R6 doesn't have DLLs for Xt/Xmu/Xaw (and Motif) on Win32", quoted from XFree86-developers Mailing List - David E. Wexelblat (dwex@datafocus.com) Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:08:27 -0500. NB: See the mailing list page and the cygwin mailing list for discussions on libtool, which is facing the same issue and may generate a successful workaround. If that is done then you should have a relatively easy time porting Xt/Xmu/Xaw. 3.14 I want to have support for a commercial compiler, because I do not want to use GCC. You want a version for a commercial compiler? No problem: write one. Seriously though see the XFree86 web pages to follow this question up. 3.15 Will the DLLs link with Watcom, Borland, MSVC, and VAC++? The patched source code for Cygwin/GCC compilers is available via cvs. You will need to consult Mumit Khan's URL at http://www.xraylith.wisc.edu/~khan/software/gnu-win32 and edit cygwin.cf and cygwin.rules in xc/cf directory as needed and compile them yourself. 3.16 Why must I use GNU make? I am accustomed to XYZmake, which has very nice features. Well, Imakefiles also have nice features, particularly that they expand to Makefiles that may have several thousand lines. I have tested numerous make programs: all but GNU make failed this benchmark somehow. You are accustomed to XYZmake; let's say, imake is accustomed to GNU make. Information on imake can be found via any popular search engine. 3.17 Are there special porting considerations? Below are few basic rules I follow and are derived from XFree86 source code: Use the Imakefile and do not try to handcraft or patch a Makefile. Things will go wrong! Read about the macros ProgramTargetName() and LibraryTargetName() and use them in the Imakefile, rather than hacking .exe and .lib names. The above will work, hacking won't. Use #ifdef cygwinArchitecture in an Imakefile to specify an CYGWIN dependent part. In source or header files, exclusively use #ifdef __CYGWIN__ for CYGWIN specific parts. Don't use other symbols, such as "WIN32", "__WIN32__", "i386", "__GNUC__", or "__32BIT__". Use only #ifdef, #else, #endif, not #elif, as some other compilers don't support this. If you think there is a bug in the provided X11 include files, you are doing something wrong. Many Imakefiles silently assume they are running under Unix, and therefore have program and library names hardcoded in. Use the LibraryTargetName and ProgramTargetName macros to wrap libs and programs, such as in EXTRA_LIBRARIES = ../Xpmlib/LibraryTargetName(Xpm) PROGRAMS = ProgramTargetName(xterm) ProgramTargetName(resize) Don't reinvent the wheel concerning environment variables. Use the ones that are described in the installation file README, rather than invent yet another variable name for USERs, HOME directories, TMP> directories, etc. Try to make your filenames comply with the 8.3 file name convention, so that users may relocate them to elsewhere. The libraries are DLLs for certain reasons. Much software from Unix assumes that lines have '\n' as a line delimiter. Don't change this, some code relies on this. Rather rewrite the code to accept \r\n as a line delimiter. Code that relies on Unix security, job control, tty/pty handling, does not need major rewriting because Cygwin1.dll offers this functionality. If you want to contribute other software, please follow these guidelines for making your distribution zip file: Use Cygwin tar and gzip or bzip2 for packing, even if some foobar packer gives you 1 % better compression. Don't use Windows Winzip or other non-cygwin aware tools. If you use an Imakefile (which is common practice with X apps), set the X11ROOT variable to another letter than the one where you have your X11 tree. This makes it easier for you to combine all necessary files into a distribution. Use exactly the same tree structure as Cygwin/XFree86 is using don't reinvent wheels and install to /usr/X11R6/bin or similar. The last section means that the directories in your archive should be rooted to /usr/X11R6. Put sources in a separate archive, not in the binary release, and root this archive at /usr/X11R6/src/PACKAGENAME, e.g. /usr/X11R6/src/xfoo-0.99. The reason for all that is that there are plans for a Software Installer in the future to improve the installation procedure. This should integrate all contribution packages as well. Non-conforming contributions will be rejected without warning. 3.18 'make' does not work. You must use GNU make which came with Cygwin and you must set MAKE_MODE=UNIX. 3.19 When I start an application I have compiled myself, the speaker beeps. Use an Imakefile. You have not passed the correct options to GCC. The most simple Imakefile to compile a client with just one source file foo.c looks like this: ======snip======================== SimpleProgramTarget(foo) ======snip======================== 3.20 How do I make a XFree86 compliant DLL? Since the XFree86 source code is now available, you will find plenty of examples how I did this there. Note that you still need some secondary literature on special features of Imakefile rules. A recommended book on Imakefiles is available from O'Reilly&Assoc publ (Using imake). Ask in your bookstore. 3.21 How do you make the packages of ported software? I distribute a simple foo.tar.gz or foo.tar.bz2 archives.Seldom, I might distribute archives with InstallShield Installer, after X Servers are functional. 3.22 The new Imake config files now contain also "Motif" and "CDE" rule and template files. Does this mean that this stuff will be available soon for free? No, it doesn't. These files were added in X11R6.3 to better integrate Motif and CDE into the system, but this does not make this software public domain (or whatever you want to call that). 3.23 I compiled an X/MOTIF client foo.exe. My foo.exe executes but I cannot use keyboard and my console dumps Xt Warnings: Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown event type : BtnMotion Warning: ... found while parsing ' : ManagerGadgetButtonM... ... What is wrong? You need to set XKeysymDB and XErrorDB Environment. XKeysymDB and XErrorDB files usually resides in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 directory. For example: SET XKeysymDB=C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XKeysymDB SET XErrorDB =C:\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\XErrorDB 3.24 Can I use DLLs and libraries with MSVC (Microsoft Visual C++) to compile my source code? No! You cannot use Cygwin/XFree86 libraries with MSVC. You need latest version of Cygwin and GCC which comes with Cygwin. However, you can check out http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11 for MSVC. > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:27 PM > To: Suhaib Siddiqi > Cc: cygx > Subject: RE: Copyright [cgf, please comment] > > > > The problem over FAQ ccame from several people > > have contributed to FAQ, beside me, and they are not please > seeing you > > come with a draft and your Copyright notice reads like it > is claiming > > the entire contents copyright and authroship notice. > > Show me an answer that someone else wrote and I'll be more > than happy to > site the answer as coming from them. > > You should know that I actually take pride in citing the work > of others, > why, just look at all the effort I went to in getting a > perfect bibliography > entry for Schieffler and Getty's X Window System, just so I > could cite two > sentences. > http://www.msu.edu/~huntharo/xwin/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#biblio Now, I'm going to request that you reveal the names of those who are concerned, as I would be more than happy to work with them to address their concerns. If you choose not to reveal the names, then I'll just happily assume that the "people that contacted you" are yourself and Robert Collins, as you're the only two that don't seem to be on easy terms with me. You can't honestly expect me to believe that someone (other than yourself and Robert) would contact you in regards my forgetting to attribute an answer to them, as I have always been more than willing to attribute credit to other people. I can think of a couple people that might claim I have gone too far in doling out credit, as I attributed some diffs to Pierre Humblet that he later recalled (mine were fine), and I have several times given credit to Alexander Gottwald when I merely got the idea of using a particular function call by looking at his code (when implementing an unrelated feature). I'm really going to have to call your bluff on that one, provided that a list of those with concerns never materializes. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 14:37:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:37:00 -0000 Subject: Personal status update Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AEE@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Fine. Thanks for your help. But an issue which Chris needs to answer and he raised that issue to me in a private communication, "Should not RedHat project be using Cygwin name because it is Red Hat trademark?" Check with him if you intend to maintain an outside sever for codumentation and name it Cygwin/XFree86 Documents something.... Thanks Suhaib > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Hunt [ mailto:huntharo@msu.edu ] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:19 PM > To: cygx > Subject: Personal status update > > > Well, I think I'll be primarily off-list for now. > > I'm still going to be coding features for Cygwin/XFree86 and > submitting them > to the XFree86 CVS tree. I will also be maintaining my own > independent > documentation for the project, however the GNU Free > Documentation License > allows that documentation to be distributed on Cygwin's web > server, if the > Cygwin/XFree86 project chooses to do so. > > I will still be posting development status updates to the > Cygwin/XFree86 > list. > > I will also answer personal emails regarding feature requests, > contributions, etc. > > In short, I'll be doing everything except touching the > Cygwin/XFree86 web > site or monitoring and partaking in the general mailing list traffic. > > If you want to guarantee a reply from me, be sure to CC me in > your mailings > to the list. > > Thank you for your interest in the project, > > Harold > From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 14:40:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:40:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AED@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > Following from current FAQ > which is very important was written by me, Peter Busch, and if you search > mail archive you will > a sveral users posted FAQ suggestions and I asked ROB to > incorporate them in Okay, so you sent a big list of questions in the FAQ from the Cygwin/XFree86 website that are not included in the draft FAQ that I have written. So, you've basically pointed out that I haven't copied any questions from the existing FAQ, therefore no one can be upset that I own the copyright on my draft FAQ. What was your point again? Harold From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 14:43:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:43:00 -0000 Subject: Personal status update References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AEE@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > Fine. Thanks for your help. But an issue which Chris needs to answer > and he raised that issue to me in a private communication, "Should not > RedHat > project be using Cygwin name because it is Red Hat trademark?" Check with > him > if you intend to maintain an outside sever for codumentation and name it > Cygwin/XFree86 Documents something.... You've got to be straight-up lying now, I just seached the USPTO. There is not a trademark on "Cygwin". Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 14:44:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:44:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AF0@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > Okay, so you sent a big list of questions in the FAQ from the > Cygwin/XFree86 > website that are not included in the draft FAQ that I have > written. So, > you've basically pointed out that I haven't copied any > questions from the > existing FAQ, therefore no one can be upset that I own the > copyright on my > draft FAQ. What was your point again? My point was. Those questions will be included in the FAQ because they are needed. Therefore I suggested you need to accommodate. Suhaib > > Harold > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 14:46:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:46:00 -0000 Subject: Personal status update Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AF1@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > You've got to be straight-up lying now, I just seached the > USPTO. There is > not a trademark on "Cygwin". > > Harold > He is a programmer, plus a lawyer, plus I do not know what the heck else he can be... I just had enough of these sensless arguments. Suhaib From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 14:47:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:47:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AEF@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: > My decision in its current form you call it draft or what ever it is not > going to be posted > at Red Hat servers unless you accommodate others wishes. Good. That is precisely what I asked you to do. Harold From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 14:56:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:56:00 -0000 Subject: tempers running high... Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AF2@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > I can see that tempers are running high here and I'm not certain what > to do about it. > > It seems ironic that a lot of the heat is being generated > because people > REALLY want to help but there is disagreement on how to help. > > For the record, I don't really care much about the copyright issue. I > wish I did have a strong opinion about this but I don't. I'm happy > to apply the Red Hat stamp to documentation, if it helps. > > I thought that it was probably important to have a uniform copyright > on all of the documentation and I thought that if we put a Red Hat > on it, people might think twice about abusing the words that you all > have labored over. > > If I am understanding Suhaib's concerns, I think it is basically the > above plus I believe that he is concerned that despite the fact that > Harold wrote his text from scratch, there is still some issue of > ownership since Harold had already read the previous FAQ. That > means that he could be "tainted". True. > > Again, I don't think that this is a big deal. No one is going to > make any money from this (I think). I would just suggest a copyright > like the ones that show up on the Cygwin sources: > > /* sigproc.cc: inter/intra signal and sub process handler > > Copyright 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 Red Hat, Inc. > > Written by Christopher Faylor > > This file is part of Cygwin. > > This software is a copyrighted work licensed under the terms of the > Cygwin license. Please consult the file "CYGWIN_LICENSE" for > details. */ I have no problems with that. > I think that Robert has been willing to compromise as long as he > understands the issues. That has been my experience with him, > at least. > > I just want to clarify the way things are working currently. > > It is obvious that Suhaib is the project head and has final veto over > everything. I do not like dictating my terms. Web site was handed over to Rob a year ago and I prefer he make decisions. After Rob offered his help to maintane web site I do not bother to check in or out htdocs from CVS. Rob should make decisions on it. > > Rob is the documentation maintainer (right?) and has final say on > the content of documentation except when overruled by Suhaib. I would not over rule Robs decisions, unless something like FAQ problems we are facing come up. We cannot post a so-called draft of FAQ and maintan current FAQ. I agree docbook and stylsheet is a better idea for FAQ, which Harold introduced, therefore contents of the current FAQ needs to be transferred to his draft, completed and posted. It seems to me he has objections to incorporating the contents of current FAQ to his draft therefore his FAQ will never be complete and I would not allow an incomplete FAQ on our project because it will cause more headache then benefits. Incorporating current FAQ contents into his FAQ draft requires him to accommodate that his authorship and coprytinght notice does not look like everything is being claimed, therefore I suggested change to Copyright (c) 2000 Draft Only Harold Hunt, which he had not agree and I cannot let others work go into someone else name or someone who contributed later, though excellent work, puts his name at the top with revision history which supress others contributions. It is unfair to others who have contributed to this project over past 2 years. Suhaib > > Harold is the brilliant programmer who is responsible for a > lot (most?) > of the recent X server improvements. He has been quite > prolific both on > the code and documentation front. > > Me? I'm Uncle Chris. I'm available for consultation and you can all > pull my finger for a good laugh, if you want. > > There are a lot of other contributors here (I'm actually > jealous) but I > think the three main ones are Suhaib, Robert, and Harold or at least > these three are the main ones who show up on the mailing list. > > I would strongly urge that these three guys "sit down" privately and > come up with a game plan for how they want submission flow to operate. > Maybe they have more names they want to add to the list. If > necessary, > I'm even willing to set up a real time chat, if that will help. > > So, I hope what we're seeing here is the sign of a group > suffering growing > pains. I'm really proud of the progress that has been made > here (as all > good uncles are proud of their nieces and nephews) and I hope > that we're > seeing growth rather than the sign of splintering. > > So, what do you all think? Should I set up a chat? Not > needed? Too late? > Go away? Etc? > > cgf > From cgf@redhat.com Thu May 31 15:14:00 2001 From: cgf@redhat.com (Christopher Faylor) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:14:00 -0000 Subject: Personal status update References: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AEE@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> Message-ID: <20010531181442.C26180@redhat.com> On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 05:42:40PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote: >>Fine. Thanks for your help. But an issue which Chris needs to answer >>and he raised that issue to me in a private communication, "Should not >>RedHat project be using Cygwin name because it is Red Hat trademark?" >>Check with him if you intend to maintain an outside sever for >>codumentation and name it Cygwin/XFree86 Documents something.... > >You've got to be straight-up lying now, I just seached the USPTO. >There is not a trademark on "Cygwin". Harold, I believe that Suhaib is referring to some private email we have been exchanging on a completely unrelated topic. Cygwin is an unregistered trademark. That's still acceptable as long as no one challenges it. If they do then we just have to show prior use and THEN we register it. For the record, I don't have any problems with people attaching the name Cygwin to stuff as long as it is clear that it isn't somehow a sanctioned Red Hat product. Cygwin/XFree86 exists on sources.redhat.com but it isn't a Red Hat product. It doesn't claim to be the "official" port although I guess it could be considered such since I believe that I suggested to Suhaib that he could head this project. So, you can use "Bob's Cygwin Midnight Commander" project if you want and I wouldn't have a problem with it. If you called it "The Cygwin Midnight Commander" project then I probably would. Whether I have a legal leg to stand on as far as this opinion is concerned, I don't know... This is based on my understanding of stuff from back when I ran my own company. I'm sure that my understanding has atrophied in various interesting ways since then. If this all plays out, I'll probably have to start asking people to attach little tm's to things with the word Cygwin in them. Blech. Again, this has nothing to do with anything that has gone on in this mailing list. If you do plan on forking, I will be very sad but I won't vindictively insist that you do not attach the name Cygwin to your project. So, please don't call Suhaib a liar. He's an upright guy, just like you. I wish we could all just get along... cgf From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 31 15:31:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:31:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: Message-ID: <07d801c0ea21$64d78480$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "Suhaib Siddiqi" Cc: "cygx" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: RE: Copyright [cgf, please comment] > > The problem over FAQ ccame from several people > > have contributed to FAQ, beside me, and they are not please seeing you > > come with a draft and your Copyright notice reads like it is claiming > > the entire contents copyright and authroship notice. For the record: I have no issue with a clear copyright notice on any work. Specifically regarding the Draft FAQ, I was surprised that you didn't pickup the existing FAQ, as it has a clear CVS history allowing author-ship to be demonstrated. At a minimum I would have expected you to discuss the issues you have pointed out in the last fews hours in the email list, or privately to me. I have not complained about you in particular having copyright on the Draft FAQ. I have raised, off-list initially, the issue about the web pages and new contributions to them not having a consistent copyright. > Show me an answer that someone else wrote and I'll be more than happy to > site the answer as coming from them. <... > > Now, I'm going to request that you reveal the names of those who are > concerned, as I would be more than happy to work with them to address their > concerns. If you choose not to reveal the names, then I'll just happily > assume that the "people that contacted you" are yourself and Robert Collins, > as you're the only two that don't seem to be on easy terms with me. You > can't honestly expect me to believe that someone (other than yourself and > Robert) would contact you in regards my forgetting to attribute an answer to > them, as I have always been more than willing to attribute credit to other > people. I Request to Suhaib that he consider the potential issue of a consistent copyright on the website. I didn't expect this email storm. I didn't raise it myself (please don't take offense here, but blunt is often clearer IME) because you, Harold, seem to be taking every thing we disagree on and turning it into a large point of dispute, rather than discussing it clearly. I estimated that the chances of discussing were therefore rather slim. I'm very sorry that a request that we as a project clarify whats required to accept contributions (given that the source code conditions from the XFree86 group are very clear) other than source code (thats a pretty standard thing in projects) has generated such emotional heat. Rob From huntharo@msu.edu Thu May 31 15:52:00 2001 From: huntharo@msu.edu (Harold Hunt) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:52:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: <07d801c0ea21$64d78480$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> Message-ID: Robert, > I'm very sorry that a request that we as a project clarify whats > required to accept contributions (given that the source code conditions > from the XFree86 group are very clear) other than source code (thats a > pretty standard thing in projects) has generated such emotional heat. Come on... people have motives for what they do. You can't seriously tell me that a question about copyright so soon after we agreed to disagree on the FAQ has nothing to do with what will happen to the content of the FAQ should the project fork. Then Suhaib comes in with claims that "Cygwin" is a trademarked name and that non-RedHat hosted projects aren't going to be allowed to use the term, and I'm supposed to believe that it just happens to be a coincidence that he chose to bring this up after I mailed the list saying, essentially, that I was leaving? Well, I can only say that I'm glad I'm not as dumb as you think :) Harold From robert.collins@itdomain.com.au Thu May 31 16:06:00 2001 From: robert.collins@itdomain.com.au (Robert Collins) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:06:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] References: Message-ID: <07fe01c0ea26$50c0bfc0$0200a8c0@lifelesswks> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hunt" To: "Robert Collins" Cc: "cygx" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: RE: Copyright [cgf, please comment] > Robert, > > > I'm very sorry that a request that we as a project clarify whats > > required to accept contributions (given that the source code conditions > > from the XFree86 group are very clear) other than source code (thats a > > pretty standard thing in projects) has generated such emotional heat. > > Come on... people have motives for what they do. You can't seriously tell > me that a question about copyright so soon after we agreed to disagree on > the FAQ has nothing to do with what will happen to the content of the FAQ > should the project fork. Did I ever tell you that the question about copyright was unrelated to the discussions on the FAQ? No. You are responding to something I've never said or claimed. My motivation is simple: We are getting more contributions. That means the policies surrounding those need to be worked out accurately, as far in advance as possible. Or should we just carry on with every individual who decides to contribute having no guidelines, no knowledge of what they need to do to contribute a "running XDCMP w/ multiple cygwin pc's" or "getting the GIMP going w/cygwin"? Copyright assignment is surely a significant issue. I agree completely with the need for things to be given a (c) mark, and I think the GFDL is a excellent free documentation licence. Who holds the copyright is -also- something that needs to be considered. Every FSF project has it's copyright held by the FSF. Why? So that in the event of someone breaking the licence it's easily defended. Should we do less than the FSF do? I've been thinking about this for a while, in relation to the whole project (non-source side that is). Copyright wasn't mentioned in http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg01282.html . It should have been. Also of note, that email didn't provoke a discussion. So I assumed, obviously incorrectly that no-one here disagreed substantially with it. > Then Suhaib comes in with claims that "Cygwin" is a trademarked name and > that non-RedHat hosted projects aren't going to be allowed to use the term, > and I'm supposed to believe that it just happens to be a coincidence that he > chose to bring this up after I mailed the list saying, essentially, that I > was leaving? As Chris Faylor has explained there was a potential issue raised in a completely different topic that coincided with the discussion here. I make _no_ claims as to understanding why Suhaib brought that into the discussion. > Well, I can only say that I'm glad I'm not as dumb as you think :) I do not understand why you believe you are being insulted by me. > > Harold > > From ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com Thu May 31 16:35:00 2001 From: ssiddiqi@inspirepharm.com (Suhaib Siddiqi) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:35:00 -0000 Subject: Copyright [cgf, please comment] Message-ID: <7F2B9185F0196F44B59990759B91B1C29AF5@ins-exch.inspirepharm.com> > > I'm very sorry that a request that we as a project clarify whats > > required to accept contributions (given that the source code conditions > > from the XFree86 group are very clear) other than source code (thats a > > pretty standard thing in projects) has generated such emotional heat. > > Come on... people have motives for what they do. You can't seriously tell > me that a question about copyright so soon after we agreed to disagree on > the FAQ has nothing to do with what will happen to the content of the FAQ > should the project fork. First of all, why have you not answered the questions of where are "diff file against current FAQ" Why you have not answered in all you sensleess so-called dumb legal claims that what is purpose of draft and why should it posted and why have you not answered why current contents cannot be merged? Search mail archive? Based upon your way of doing things and trying when you said you wanted to modify FAQ, I immediately posted NO MAJOR CHANGE to FAQ because I knew these conflicts will arise. I knew will stick your name everywhere and will refuse to compromise. Why did you not discuss with me first and went ahead and started modifying and when I asked why you turned the thread to a flame war? This points to me your sneaky nature or your nature of dictating the things go your way or no way. This is counter productive and I knew that was coming that is why I posted http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2001-q2/msg00560.html (no major changes to FAQ please). My reason was to avoid this senseless arguments because of your nature of putting things in a way that others will object to it. In an open source project, personally I am against anyone inserting authorship, ownership and copyright notices on a documents, and html pages posted on web project site, except source code. In my opinion those pages belong to project. That is why I DID NOT INSERTED my authorship and copyright notices on the HTML pages when I started this project. > > Then Suhaib comes in with claims that "Cygwin" is a trademarked name and > that non-RedHat hosted projects aren't going to be allowed to use the > term, > and I'm supposed to believe that it just happens to be a coincidence that > he > chose to bring this up after I mailed the list saying, essentially, that I > was leaving? > You have a long way to learn. You have not slightest idea what trade mark laws are in the USA. I can claim a trademark, even not by registering now, if I am the only one using it for my business, I can turn around sue you if you started using it after me, and I can file a petition to Trademark office if you try to register if. You think you know everything, that is a very dangerous sign and you have a long way to learn. > Well, I can only say that I'm glad I'm not as dumb as you think :) I wish you not as dumb as you think ;-) Suhaib > > Harold