[packages] gtk+, glib, imlib

[Jehan]

Nicholas Wourms wrote:
Tho I can't quite understand
> what this driving desire for a rootless X server is all about?  To my
> death, I'll never understand why people like the explorer window manager
> over the X alternatives.  I mean c'mon people, Windows Explorer as a
> window manager sucks.  Why would you want it to manage your X
> applications?

Maybe *you* prefer KDE, OpenStep, whatever over Windows but that doesn't 
mean *everybody* does. As a window manager, Windows does perfectly well 
for me: I can move my windows around, I can resize them, minimize them 
and even maximize them. I like the taskbar (and everybody does since now 
every desktop system has it), I like the systray, I like the quicklaunch 
bar and the Start menu is as much a mess in Windows than in KDE.

Now, having an alternative would be nice, that's for sure. As my boss is 
fond of saying: "two is better than one". If you want to remove Windows 
Explorer, go check Shellfront (http://shellfront.org/). But you will 
never see Notepad running in an X window. Cygwin works *on top of* 
Windows, not the other way around. Cygwin *add* a unix layer to Windows, 
it doesn't *replace* Windows. If you really want that, if you really 
want your All-X desktop, go install Linux and run your Windows 
applications using Wine.


> I don't know about most people, but I like the current way
> X works, in fact I like the full screen even better.  

Why do you think windowing systems took over most software applications? 
I like being able to see the content of two applications at the same 
time. Like for instance when I follow a tutorial on a web browser on how 
to create a map for Quake. Or when I want to use a complex funtion in my 
program, I want to be able to see MSDN at the same time I use my code. 
Now, if I use vi/emacs/whatever in X, I can't see any of those 
broswer/msdn windows at the same time if the application if fullscreen. 
What's worse, if the browser/msdn is the active application and I want 
to activate a X application, I first have to click on the X button in 
the taskbar to activate XWin, then I have to activate the X application 
itself. If I can see each X application with its own button in my 
taskbar, and when I click on it I have this X app showing *next to* 
instead of *on top of* my Visual Studio window, I would be far more happy.


> In fact I wish there
> was a way to do the opposite of running X in rootless mode.  If there were
> only a way to get windows binaries to pop up inside X, then I could just
> ditch this crummy explorer windows manager and use X full time.

See my comment above about Linux and Wine.

	Jehan